[IAEP] 3D engine uses in a no-nonsense GUI (was: XO Gen 1.5)
Christoph Derndorfer writes: I honestly can't think of a use-case for including any sort of 3D acceleration into the basic Sugar and activities. There's about a million significantly more important things that people should be working on before even thinking about 3D (IMHO). One can use a 3D accelerator to greatly improve human factors in the GUI. Smooth transitions in the GUI are vital to reducing the user's sense of disorientation and confusion. This isn't just an issue for less-clueful users; you might not realize it but poor transitions are forcing needless mental effort that eats up a tiny bit of time here, a tiny bit of time there... and it all adds up. You may feel it in frustration even if you don't spot the cause. Without the 3D engine, animations are a painful compromise. They are slow, jerky, and CPU consuming. Imagine if the frame could slide into view with fast perfectly smooth motion and almost no CPU use. Think how much more usable Sugar would be. Imagine if view switching and activity switching looked like a rapid zoom out to showing a grid of all views and activities, then a rapid pan to the right grid spot, and finally a rapid zoom in to the newly selected view or activity. Better yet, make it all in one smooth motion so that the user feels as though they are jumping with a ballistic trajectory. The confusion goes away and the transition might even be attractive. You can't make this be acceptably fast or smooth without a 3D engine, even if you cheat by using static screenshot images for the activities. Imagine having every activity smoothly scaled to fit the screen. An activity opens a 320x720 window. It becomes a 400x900 window on the LCD, but the activity doesn't have to deal with that at all. Getting stuff to work well on the XO is suddenly much much easier. Users can spot objects on the screen faster if they have slightly organic shapes. Rather than having **perfectly** sharp corners on things, give them tiny anti-aliased curves. Use bump mapping and other shader features in **subtle** ways to enhance object edges. Make the edges look like they have been polished or sanded a tad, instead of being infinitely sharp and thus ill-defined to the eye. Today, pressing a GUI button normally causes the button face image to shift a bit. That's the best we could do before 3D engines. Imagine if the button face could pop from convex to concave, with perfect realism. The highlights, the density of the shadow, etc. The button metaphor would be more effectively represented to the user. BTW, stay away from the pointless stuff. It's now common to use 3D for random nonsense that hurts usability. Don't do that. Stick to the stuff that helps the eye follow things: smooth motion, softened shapes, realistic shading, quality scaling, etc. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] 3D engine uses in a no-nonsense GUI (was: XO Gen 1.5)
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 05:02:23AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote: Christoph Derndorfer writes: I honestly can't think of a use-case for including any sort of 3D acceleration into the basic Sugar and activities. One can use a 3D accelerator to greatly improve human factors in the GUI. [...] Imagine if view switching and activity switching looked like a rapid zoom out to showing a grid of all views and activities, Imagine if it actually looked like the demo: http://www.sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=gallerypage=media_01 Martin pgpLibXx7fvoE.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-04-21
===Sugar Digest === 1. Five Google Summer of Code projects have been selected for 2009. We are excited about all five proposals; our only regret is that we were unable to accept any more of the promising proposals we received. Thank you to everyone who participated in the selection process—the feedback on the proposals from the community has been especially of great value. To all of those who were not selected this year, we appreciate your efforts and hope that you will be able to find time to participate in the Sugar Labs community in some fashion this summer. We hope you'll reapply next year. To those of you who were selected this year, both mentors and students, let's converge on a regular weekly meeting time in IRC to exchange notes on progress and problems. Individual teams should, of course, make arrangements for regular meeting times as well. In general, let's continue to hang out on #sugar, so that the developer community can stay abreast of what is happening. Kudos to Jamison Quinn for organizing our GSoC efforts and seeing to all of the details. Finally, thanks once again to Google for this opportunity. Student: Lucian Branescu Mihaila Project: Webified Mentor: Walter Bender Student: Sascha Silbe Project: Version support for Sugar datastore and Journal Mentor: Jameson Quinn Student: Felipe Lopez Toledo Project: Karma + Activities Mentor: Bryan Berry Student: Vamsi Krishna Davuluri Project: Adding Print Support to the XOs Mentor: Andres Ambrois Student: Benjamin Schwartz Project: Decentralized Asynchronous Collision-free Editing with Groupthink Mentor: Assim Deodia 2. Caroline Meeks and I spent last Saturday at the Waltham YMCA where we exercised Sugar on a Stick with children and their parents visiting the Y for Healthy Kids Day. (I had to leave early to meet to attend to some sewer problems—don't ask.) All in all, it was a great day. From the technical point of view, Sugar on a Stick lived up to its billing. We were able to get all but one of the mismatched castaway PCs to boot, even some of which would not boot into Windows XP. (The one machine that did not boot would not power on at all—not something we could fix with software.) We did have one machine with an invisible cursor, but otherwise it ran fine. Sound worked on every machine that had speakers. We were able to assign static IP addresses and every machine was able to connect to the Internet. However something was preventing collaboration to work: we could see each other, but not share activities or interact with other users connected to jabber.sugarlabs.org. We have some debugging to do. Ideally, we would have brought a school server in to assign IP addresses, which would have assured that at least local collaboration worked. Caroline will be writing up detailed notes on the children's use of Sugar throughout the day. The way things were organized, parents and children were dropping in to the room at any time during the day. We had in the room anywhere from two to six children, as young as two and as old as seven or eight, while I was there. They went right to the machines without any introduction to Sugar. Most of the machines were either already running an activity or had the Home View visible. Popular activities included Memorize, where some children went so far as to design their own games, Jigsaw Puzzle, Turtle Art, Speak, Write, and Mini Tam Tam. While hardly a typical classroom setting, things went quite well with this somewhat haphazard introduction to Sugar: the children were engaged, as were their parents. However there was not time enough for them to discover or exploit features such as the Journal. And since collaboration was not working, all of the interactions were solo. Undoubtedly there is some more scaffolding we can provide children and parents new to Sugar. (We've already had some follow-up discussions on how to best integrate examples into activities and how to make the views and frame more readily discoverable on non-OLPC-XO hardware.) ===In the community=== 3. Lionel Laske announced that OLPC France will organize with Sugar Labs the first Sugar Camp in Europe in Paris on May 16. Sign up at http://sugarcamp.eventbrite.com/. Several workshop will be organized all around the day: technical, pedagogical and documentation. The full agenda is not closed so do not hesitate to submit a workshop proposal. These events are fully free, thanks to AFUL and GDium. There will also be a Sugar meeting on the 17th (See [[Marketing_Team/Events/MiniCamp_Paris_2009]]) where we will be discussing initial plans for Sucrose 0.86. ===Tech Talk=== 4. Christian Marc Schmidt led a discussion of potential 0.86 improvements to the UI in a Design Team meeting this past weekend. Together, we came up with a list of design goals to possibly include in our development schedule for 0.86, with concrete tasks to be accomplished in advance of SugarCamp. Christian added a meeting summary on the wiki, along with a link to the
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.84 on video
Great! Maybe we should also be able to get to these from the Getting Started page. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Getting_Started On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM, LASKE, Lionel (C2S) lla...@c2s.fr wrote: Hi Caroline, Thanks. Walter put a link on these video on Deployment_Team/Resources page in the SugarLabs wiki. Do you imagine something different ? Lionel. *De :* Caroline Meeks [mailto:solutiongr...@gmail.com] *Envoyé :* lundi 20 avril 2009 17:08 *À :* LASKE, Lionel (C2S) *Cc :* IAEP SugarLabs *Objet :* Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.84 on video These are great! Can you start a wiki page with links and descriptions and hopefully other people will follow your lead and we can create a library of these sorts of videos. Thanks! On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:17 AM, LASKE, Lionel (C2S) lla...@c2s.fr wrote: Hi all, I’ve just published two small videos of Sugar 0.84 on two specific features: journal handling and source view. My post (in French) is on: http://olpc-france.org/blog/?p=254 You could find the videos on: · http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8zwgr_sugar-084-using-journal_tech · http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8zwl4_sugar-084-using-source-view_tech Best regards from France. Lionel. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-04-21
Kathy, this should get you started: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Installing_Software Do note though that me and David spent 3 hours on Friday afternoon just to get ejabberd running on a vanilla Ubuntu installation. Your millage may vary but just be aware that it's definitely not a 1-click installation process. Hope that helps, Christoph Kathy Pusztavari schrieb: Walter, is there a link on how to set up a school server? -Kathy -Original Message- From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Walter Bender Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:45 AM To: community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org Cc: IAEP SugarLabs; Sugar Devel Subject: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-04-21 ===Sugar Digest === 1. Five Google Summer of Code projects have been selected for 2009. We are excited about all five proposals; our only regret is that we were unable to accept any more of the promising proposals we received. Thank you to everyone who participated in the selection process-the feedback on the proposals from the community has been especially of great value. To all of those who were not selected this year, we appreciate your efforts and hope that you will be able to find time to participate in the Sugar Labs community in some fashion this summer. We hope you'll reapply next year. To those of you who were selected this year, both mentors and students, let's converge on a regular weekly meeting time in IRC to exchange notes on progress and problems. Individual teams should, of course, make arrangements for regular meeting times as well. In general, let's continue to hang out on #sugar, so that the developer community can stay abreast of what is happening. Kudos to Jamison Quinn for organizing our GSoC efforts and seeing to all of the details. Finally, thanks once again to Google for this opportunity. Student: Lucian Branescu Mihaila Project: Webified Mentor: Walter Bender Student: Sascha Silbe Project: Version support for Sugar datastore and Journal Mentor: Jameson Quinn Student: Felipe Lopez Toledo Project: Karma + Activities Mentor: Bryan Berry Student: Vamsi Krishna Davuluri Project: Adding Print Support to the XOs Mentor: Andres Ambrois Student: Benjamin Schwartz Project: Decentralized Asynchronous Collision-free Editing with Groupthink Mentor: Assim Deodia 2. Caroline Meeks and I spent last Saturday at the Waltham YMCA where we exercised Sugar on a Stick with children and their parents visiting the Y for Healthy Kids Day. (I had to leave early to meet to attend to some sewer problems-don't ask.) All in all, it was a great day. From the technical point of view, Sugar on a Stick lived up to its billing. We were able to get all but one of the mismatched castaway PCs to boot, even some of which would not boot into Windows XP. (The one machine that did not boot would not power on at all-not something we could fix with software.) We did have one machine with an invisible cursor, but otherwise it ran fine. Sound worked on every machine that had speakers. We were able to assign static IP addresses and every machine was able to connect to the Internet. However something was preventing collaboration to work: we could see each other, but not share activities or interact with other users connected to jabber.sugarlabs.org. We have some debugging to do. Ideally, we would have brought a school server in to assign IP addresses, which would have assured that at least local collaboration worked. Caroline will be writing up detailed notes on the children's use of Sugar throughout the day. The way things were organized, parents and children were dropping in to the room at any time during the day. We had in the room anywhere from two to six children, as young as two and as old as seven or eight, while I was there. They went right to the machines without any introduction to Sugar. Most of the machines were either already running an activity or had the Home View visible. Popular activities included Memorize, where some children went so far as to design their own games, Jigsaw Puzzle, Turtle Art, Speak, Write, and Mini Tam Tam. While hardly a typical classroom setting, things went quite well with this somewhat haphazard introduction to Sugar: the children were engaged, as were their parents. However there was not time enough for them to discover or exploit features such as the Journal. And since collaboration was not working, all of the interactions were solo. Undoubtedly there is some more scaffolding we can provide children and parents new to Sugar. (We've already had some follow-up discussions on how to best integrate examples into activities and how to make the views and frame more readily discoverable on non-OLPC-XO hardware.) ===In the community=== 3. Lionel Laske announced that OLPC France will organize with Sugar Labs the first Sugar Camp in Europe in Paris on May 16. Sign up at
[IAEP] XS (was Re: Sugar Digest 2009-04-21)
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Kathy Pusztavari ka...@kathyandcalvin.com wrote: Walter, is there a link on how to set up a school server? The basics are in the Laptop Wiki, at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Installing_Software I have created a qemu image of XS for testing on our private server. Installation and basic configuration are straightforward, requiring no special knowledge. System administration after that is not well documented. -Kathy -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] XS (was Re: Sugar Digest 2009-04-21)
Good to know. I didn't realize XS is the school server. -Kathy -Original Message- From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Edward Cherlin Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:59 AM To: Kathy Pusztavari Cc: IAEP SugarLabs Subject: [IAEP] XS (was Re: Sugar Digest 2009-04-21) On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Kathy Pusztavari ka...@kathyandcalvin.com wrote: Walter, is there a link on how to set up a school server? The basics are in the Laptop Wiki, at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Installing_Software I have created a qemu image of XS for testing on our private server. Installation and basic configuration are straightforward, requiring no special knowledge. System administration after that is not well documented. -Kathy -- Silent Thunder (??/???/? ?) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] OLPC - Parsons Collaboration
hi Becky, Thank you very much for your interest. Did you get hooked up with the resources you need to move forward? Caroline On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Becky, I've taken the liberty of forwarding your inquiry to a few other OLPC and Sugar Labs lists which are more widely subscribed. Thank you for your interest and offers!--Fred On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:34 PM, be...@beckyheritage.com wrote: OLPC Grassroots, On behalf of Parsons The New School for Design, I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Becky Heritage, and I am currently Faculty in the Design + Technology department at Parsons. We are interested in contributing for the OLPC through curriculum development for the unit and its activities. We also, have an interest in long term partnership. In addition to the Wikis and online resources we've been absorbing, we would also like to invite a representative from an Education based initiative, to meet our department and come speak at a Consortium that we host Wednesday evenings. Preferably, we'd appreciate perspective from someone that has deployment experience, as this is also one of our interests for contribution. If you could provide insight to any individuals that would be interested, it would be much appreciated. Sincerely, Becky Heritage Becky Heritage | Adjunct Faculty Design + Technology Parsons The New School for Design 2 W 13th Street New York, NY 10031 917 628 3901 be...@beckyheritgae.com http://cdt.parsons.edu ___ Grassroots mailing list grassro...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] soas beta mouse and WAP
Hi Mark, I'm catching up with old emails. Is this still an issue? Do you know if a bug was put in on it? Thanks, Caroline On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Mark Ahlness mahln...@comcast.net wrote: I might as well add another issue, as long as I'm sending in bugs: Using soas-beta, I am no longer able to connect to the Internet via wireless access point in my classroom. I had been able to do this before, using soas1 on my XOs. With soas-beta on my Dell Latitude D600s, the WAP will not work. But plug in an ethernet cable to those laptops, and they are instantly on the Internet with soas-beta. WAP: Linksys Instant Wireless WAP54G Wireless Access Point (http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10336374) This WAP is configured to require authentication, ie, password. There is no prompt for a password using soas-beta. Shouldn't there be one? - Mark -Original Message- From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep- boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Mark Ahlness Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:38 AM To: 'iaep' Subject: [IAEP] soas beta and usb mouse So is the reason my mouse will not show up on my Dell desktop the fact that I am using a usb mouse and there's a conflict? The mouse is there (I can tell sort of where it is), just can't see it. Using soas beta, fat32 2gb stick. Works ok on laptop. Anybody else have this issue? Thanks - Mark ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] SoaS on a MacBook?
Hi... I've been trying to get the SugarLabs usb stick, Walter so kindly sent, to boot on my MacBook. I can get it to recognize the stick but when I try to boot from it, following the instructions from Apple Tech Support, it goes instead into OSX. The stick shows as a third drive on my desktop and I can open it and see that the files are there. The read me file comes up blank. I think someone mentioned having to use something they may have called a virtual box to get it to boot on the Mac. I hope someone can fill me in on how to do this. I want to be able to show it at the LAUSD InfoTech event at the LA Convention Center this Saturday. So, I do still have some time to work out the kinks. The Mac I am using is an Intel based MacBook so this should work. I just need to have the instructions! Thanks! Caryl___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS on a MacBook?
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi... I've been trying to get the SugarLabs usb stick, Walter so kindly sent, to boot on my MacBook. I can get it to recognize the stick but when I try to boot from it, following the instructions from Apple Tech Support, it goes instead into OSX. The stick shows as a third drive on my desktop and I can open it and see that the files are there. The read me file comes up blank. When you reboot, did you hold down C? (while the screen is off before the apple logo) -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Fwd: SoaS on a MacBook?
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi... I've been trying to get the SugarLabs usb stick, Walter so kindly sent, to boot on my MacBook. I can get it to recognize the stick but when I try to boot from it, following the instructions from Apple Tech Support, it goes instead into OSX. The stick shows as a third drive on my desktop and I can open it and see that the files are there. The read me file comes up blank. I think someone mentioned having to use something they may have called a virtual box to get it to boot on the Mac. I hope someone can fill me in on how to do this. I want to be able to show it at the LAUSD InfoTech event at the LA Convention Center this Saturday. So, I do still have some time to work out the kinks. The Mac I am using is an Intel based MacBook so this should work. I just need to have the instructions! Hi, You might be able to boot using the boot helper CD. http://people.sugarlabs.org/sdz/soas-boot.iso Hold down 'c' when booting to boot off the CD and it should recognize the USB stick and continue booting from there. If that doesn't work you can try the VirtualBox instructions here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/VirtualBox Good Luck. Dave Thanks! Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: SoaS on a MacBook?
I'm pretty sure you will definitely need the CD Helper. But I was able to boot my iBook with one so I'm very much looking forward to your results! Thanks, Caroline On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.comwrote: Hi... I've been trying to get the SugarLabs usb stick, Walter so kindly sent, to boot on my MacBook. I can get it to recognize the stick but when I try to boot from it, following the instructions from Apple Tech Support, it goes instead into OSX. The stick shows as a third drive on my desktop and I can open it and see that the files are there. The read me file comes up blank. I think someone mentioned having to use something they may have called a virtual box to get it to boot on the Mac. I hope someone can fill me in on how to do this. I want to be able to show it at the LAUSD InfoTech event at the LA Convention Center this Saturday. So, I do still have some time to work out the kinks. The Mac I am using is an Intel based MacBook so this should work. I just need to have the instructions! Hi, You might be able to boot using the boot helper CD. http://people.sugarlabs.org/sdz/soas-boot.iso Hold down 'c' when booting to boot off the CD and it should recognize the USB stick and continue booting from there. If that doesn't work you can try the VirtualBox instructions here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/VirtualBox Good Luck. Dave Thanks! Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-04-21
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Do note though that me and David spent 3 hours on Friday afternoon just to get ejabberd running on a vanilla Ubuntu installation. Your millage may vary but just be aware that it's definitely not a 1-click installation process. OTOH, ejabberd setup on the School Server proper works with just maybe 3 steps :-) cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-04-21
Martin Langhoff schrieb: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Do note though that me and David spent 3 hours on Friday afternoon just to get ejabberd running on a vanilla Ubuntu installation. Your millage may vary but just be aware that it's definitely not a 1-click installation process. OTOH, ejabberd setup on the School Server proper works with just maybe 3 steps :-) Well, originally we had planned to use the machine (a desktop) for both running ejabberd and Sugar-on-Ubuntu so the teachers would be able to show things via the beamer that's installed in the classroom. Unfortunately many activities don't seem to be working under Ubuntu at the moment so we'll have to postpone that part of the plan. Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: SoaS on a MacBook?
On 21 Apr 2009, at 21:38, Caroline Meeks wrote: I'm pretty sure you will definitely need the CD Helper. But I was able to boot my iBook with one so I'm very much looking forward to your results! Just a quick report on trying to boot Soas2-200904161412.iso on a MacBookPro without luck. I'm pretty sure the soas-boot.iso boot CD was working well, but after the Fedora boot loader and some hopeful looking USB key flickering, it just sits there with a black screen, and eventually I had to just hard power off. USB (2Gb) key was built in Fedora-10 following instructions as per: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Linux The one item I did notice is that the USB key's I have available both ship as FAT32 format (I'm reluctant to reformat). Does the soas- boot.iso boot a FAT32 stick for anybody else? Regards, --Gary P.S. The Soas2-200904161412.iso boots fine in VirtualBox, though I know of no way of making VirtualBox boot from USB to test the stick image directly (just CD/HD/network/iso). Thanks, Caroline On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi... I've been trying to get the SugarLabs usb stick, Walter so kindly sent, to boot on my MacBook. I can get it to recognize the stick but when I try to boot from it, following the instructions from Apple Tech Support, it goes instead into OSX. The stick shows as a third drive on my desktop and I can open it and see that the files are there. The read me file comes up blank. I think someone mentioned having to use something they may have called a virtual box to get it to boot on the Mac. I hope someone can fill me in on how to do this. I want to be able to show it at the LAUSD InfoTech event at the LA Convention Center this Saturday. So, I do still have some time to work out the kinks. The Mac I am using is an Intel based MacBook so this should work. I just need to have the instructions! Hi, You might be able to boot using the boot helper CD. http://people.sugarlabs.org/sdz/soas-boot.iso Hold down 'c' when booting to boot off the CD and it should recognize the USB stick and continue booting from there. If that doesn't work you can try the VirtualBox instructions here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/VirtualBox Good Luck. Dave Thanks! Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] soas beta mouse and WAP
Walter did follow up on this, esp. the wireless problems, for a bit. I have given up on trying soas for now. Had a great first experience with soas1. It worked across platforms, even. Seems like the later the revision, the less it worked for me. I have 5 XO's, 12 desktops, and 5 laptops. The latest soas-beta runs properly on none of them. - Mark _ From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Pusztavari Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:26 AM To: 'iaep' Subject: Re: [IAEP] soas beta mouse and WAP I don't know about Mark but it is true of all the dells I've tested on (4/14 SoaS version) - wireless doesn't work. I heard it was a known issue. Not sure where to put in a bug report. -Kathy _ From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Caroline Meeks Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:15 AM To: Mark Ahlness Cc: iaep Subject: Re: [IAEP] soas beta mouse and WAP Hi Mark, I'm catching up with old emails. Is this still an issue? Do you know if a bug was put in on it? Thanks, Caroline On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Mark Ahlness mahln...@comcast.net wrote: I might as well add another issue, as long as I'm sending in bugs: Using soas-beta, I am no longer able to connect to the Internet via wireless access point in my classroom. I had been able to do this before, using soas1 on my XOs. With soas-beta on my Dell Latitude D600s, the WAP will not work. But plug in an ethernet cable to those laptops, and they are instantly on the Internet with soas-beta. WAP: Linksys Instant Wireless WAP54G Wireless Access Point (http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10336374) This WAP is configured to require authentication, ie, password. There is no prompt for a password using soas-beta. Shouldn't there be one? - Mark -Original Message- From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep- boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Mark Ahlness Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:38 AM To: 'iaep' Subject: [IAEP] soas beta and usb mouse So is the reason my mouse will not show up on my Dell desktop the fact that I am using a usb mouse and there's a conflict? The mouse is there (I can tell sort of where it is), just can't see it. Using soas beta, fat32 2gb stick. Works ok on laptop. Anybody else have this issue? Thanks - Mark ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Virtual Box?
Hi...Well, the soas-boot.iso hasn't worked yet for me. Now I am trying the Virtual Box. I downloaded it and tried to follow the directions and ended up with a message that says:FATAL: Could not read from the boot medium! System halted.When I try to set it up it offers the option of installing the Virtual box on SoaS. Should I do this? (Haven't tried it yet I've been putting it on the MacHD as the instructions suggest).Then when it asks where to get the software the option of USB drive isn't there (CD, Hard drive, and floppy are). Remember, I'm a Grannie! There won't be a Grannie's Guide for this until I figure it out and can explain it to someone with not a lot of computer saavy. Help me, and you help all the non-techies of the world! Getting a bit sleepy...I'll have to come back to this tomorrow.Thanks,Caryl___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
