Re: [IAEP] wiki down?
No, I can reach the wiki just fine. I clicked around to a few pages I couldn't possibly have cached on my machine (user profiles, etc). On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi, seems like the wiki is down, can someone see what's happening? Thanks, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] wiki down?
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 15:09, Seth Woodworth s...@isforinsects.com wrote: No, I can reach the wiki just fine. I clicked around to a few pages I couldn't possibly have cached on my machine (user profiles, etc). solarsail was down earlier today, Bernie rebooted it and is fine now. Regards, Tomeu On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi, seems like the wiki is down, can someone see what's happening? Thanks, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Dailymotion, Ogg video, and Sugar
As many of you have likely seen, Dailymotion is transcoding all of their videos to OggTheora in parallel to their current videos served via flash. As Chris Blizzard writes: Today Dailymotion http://www.dailymotion.com/, one of the world’s largest video sites, announced support for open video. They’ve put out a press releasehttp://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_viewnewsId=20090527006237newsLang=en, a blog post on the new openvideo sitehttp://blog.dailymotion.com/2009/05/27/watch-videowithout-flash/as well as a demo site http://www.dailymotion.com/openvideodemo where you can see some of the things that you can do with open video and Firefox 3.5http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-beta.html. They are automatically transcoding all of the content that their Motion Makers http://www.dailymotion.com/users/popular-week/creative/1Official Users http://www.dailymotion.com/users/popular-month/official/1 create and expect to have around 300,000 videos transcoded into the open Ogg Theora and Vorbis formats. You can view the site they have up at openvideo.dailymotion.com. http://openvideo.dailymotion.com/ Previously Dailymotion had set up an embedded ogg site for kids, especially kids on XO's using free software at http://olpc.dailymotion.org. At the time there was some discussion of a video upload activity so children could share videos via Dailymotion. In many countries, bandwidth limitations makes this really unfeasible. But we've recently seen that Uruguay seems to use a lot of web-video: http://www.olpcnews.com/content/education/believing_in_dreams_dokeos_and.html. Uruguay also shares news internally when they can via flash video: http://rapceibal-colonia.blogspot.com/2009/05/rap-ceibal-en-las-plazas.html Is there renewed interest in making video sharing easier on the XO? What would a video upload activity look like? --Sww ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Dailymotion, Ogg video, and Sugar
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 16:25, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 16:20, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: Youtube also has a demo of video usage. http://youtube.com/html5 I heard it's using non-free codecs, it isn't? Looks like that to me: this works: http://www.double.co.nz/video_test/test4.html this doesn't: http://youtube.com/html5 In Soas-2. Let's hope that google works fast and imitates dailymotion soon. Regards, Tomeu Regards, Tomeu 2009/5/31 Seth Woodworth s...@laptop.org: As many of you have likely seen, Dailymotion is transcoding all of their videos to OggTheora in parallel to their current videos served via flash. As Chris Blizzard writes: Today Dailymotion, one of the world’s largest video sites, announced support for open video. They’ve put out a press release, a blog post on the new openvideo site as well as a demo site where you can see some of the things that you can do with open video and Firefox 3.5. They are automatically transcoding all of the content that their Motion MakersOfficial Users create and expect to have around 300,000 videos transcoded into the open Ogg Theora and Vorbis formats. You can view the site they have up at openvideo.dailymotion.com. Previously Dailymotion had set up an embedded ogg site for kids, especially kids on XO's using free software at http://olpc.dailymotion.org. At the time there was some discussion of a video upload activity so children could share videos via Dailymotion. In many countries, bandwidth limitations makes this really unfeasible. But we've recently seen that Uruguay seems to use a lot of web-video: http://www.olpcnews.com/content/education/believing_in_dreams_dokeos_and.html . Uruguay also shares news internally when they can via flash video: http://rapceibal-colonia.blogspot.com/2009/05/rap-ceibal-en-las-plazas.html Is there renewed interest in making video sharing easier on the XO? What would a video upload activity look like? --Sww ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Dailymotion, Ogg video, and Sugar
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 16:25, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 16:20, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: Youtube also has a demo of video usage. http://youtube.com/html5 I heard it's using non-free codecs, it isn't? Looks like that to me: this works: http://www.double.co.nz/video_test/test4.html this doesn't: http://youtube.com/html5 In Soas-2. Let's hope that google works fast and imitates dailymotion soon. I filed a bug report about 18 months ago re OGG support on Youtube... maybe the competition will urge them to move more quickly on this. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Dailymotion, Ogg video, and Sugar
I had the opportunity to interview Vint Cerf at Groklaw and asked him about that (http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080303140032154). Google doesn't even index Ogg container metadata; this is not encouraging, as indexing media files is a real challenge and pulling out metadat is the easiest way to do that. Adobe Flash 10 supports Ogg Speex, a lossy audio codec optimized for speech (http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/features/). I understand their motivation was compatibility with VoIP applications. I don't know if YouTube accepts the full set of Flash 10 codecs, I don't believe so. I think Google / YouTube will make the minor effort necessary when there is competition, i.e. widely viewed Dailymotion content absent from YouTube. Google Video search indexes Dailymotion video, so Google will be well aware as that occurs. Sean. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 16:42, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 16:25, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 16:20, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: Youtube also has a demo of video usage. http://youtube.com/html5 I heard it's using non-free codecs, it isn't? Looks like that to me: this works: http://www.double.co.nz/video_test/test4.html this doesn't: http://youtube.com/html5 In Soas-2. Let's hope that google works fast and imitates dailymotion soon. I filed a bug report about 18 months ago re OGG support on Youtube... maybe the competition will urge them to move more quickly on this. I have the impression that Google would move forward on this because it's the right thing to do, rather than because of fear to lose market share. Though maybe what would get them moving faster would be the public opinion thinking their competition are doing the right thing and they aren't yet. Regards, Tomeu -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] SugarCamp Berlin
Due to overwhelming demand, It looks like Sugar Labs will hold SugarCamp Berlin to follow after LinuxTag. I am thinking Sunday, June 28th looks good. As a starting point, I am thinking something like the SugarCamp Sugar Labs held on Sunday as a follow on to OLPCFrance's event last month. If anyone is interested let's see what we can put together! SugarCamp Paris was a great success by my primary measure - the increase and quality of contributions from community members who attend the Camp, particularly the increase in depth and breadth of project leadership. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Systems] wiki down?
[cc += ivan] On 05/31/09 15:37, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 15:09, Seth Woodworth s...@isforinsects.com wrote: No, I can reach the wiki just fine. I clicked around to a few pages I couldn't possibly have cached on my machine (user profiles, etc). solarsail was down earlier today, Bernie rebooted it and is fine now. I dug the logs looking for the root cause of this outage, but I couldn't find conclusive evidence. Looks like an out of memory condition, where the machine was paging out everything to make room for a runaway process. But one would wonder why the OOM killer did not kick in to do its job. cjb could miraculously log in through ssh and issue an uptime command. The reported load average was 66 (we have 32 processors so it's not that incredible :-) Where can we put the blame? I'd like to point fingers at trac, but I'm not sure. The high load seems to imply *many* runaway processes, but trac's runs as a single-threaded application, unless I'm mistaken. The previous time, I remember seeing plenty of Apache instances in ps. Anyway, the frequency of these outages is about 2-3 months, and a forced reboot seems to fix it. If we can't figure it out this time, we don't necessarily have to start running around with hair on fire. WARNING: the current default kernel (vmlinuz-2.6.24-23-sparc64-smp) hangs immediately at boot. I had to pass linuxOLD to silo. We're now running 2.6.24-22-sparc64-smp. This needs further investigation. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on suse and virtualised appliances to cheat network connectivity
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:41 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: So, this Sunday marks a special day for us openSUSE folks, as we've now managed to get pretty much every activity behaving, including the underlying journaling and collaboration. We've got more than 50 activities packaged and included in the live cd/usb/dvd/virtual appliance. By using the incredible flexibility and power that oBS gives us, with just 2 people working on this project, we've managed move forwards fast and efficiently. So we are proud to announce that you can download the latest releases here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/ As you can see, the main directory contains .vmdk virtual appliances which have been tested to run on both Vitualbox (Sun's free virtual container system) as well as vmware and its host of virtualisation software. Very Cool! Although Sugar on Sugar on Suse in VirtualBox on my netbook got a little slow But, it still seemed snappier than XP on the same machine once I set up an anti-virus package. Advantages to running an appliance include bypassing wireless/wired network card drivers as the host can really be running pretty much anything from OSX to Windows. Yep, let the parent OS worry about the hardware, let the VM worry about the container, and let Sugar worry about helping kids learn. This will also be a way to get Sugar running on any Mac regardless, and pretty much and hardware. Its also a good way to run sugar on ed/ubuntu and debian based systems. Though a tad slower than on a native system (running without virtualisation), the advantages clearly outweigh the disadvantages. In the iso subdirectory you can find pure sugar or the full openSUSE-edu suite, containing a good 2.4 gigs of educational material including an icon to launch sugar directly from the desktop, a live LTSP system, iTalc, and a host of other interesting software. For more information on virtualisation, vmware, virtualbox and how to get sugar working within these environments have a look here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/VMware Can you or one of the Sugar on Suse team update the rest of the download links on wiki.sl.org thanks david Currently the only application not running is Read, which requires some updated GDK stuff from gnome 2.26, which is currently not entirely working with Sugar on openSUSE, but within the next weeks we should be able to resolve this. We are searching for more activities to include, as well as, seeing what we can do artistically at the different stages such as booting up, session manager, etc. Currently we automatically get the system to join the sugarlabs ejabberd server for collaboration, and after testing quite a few applications we can confidently say this works quite well. So its nice to see openSUSE being one of the more advanced Sugar environments now... seeing as a couple of weeks ago we had a very broken environment kind Regards, David Van Assche www.nubae.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SugarCamp Berlin
Highly likely I can make it, probably driving there (far as it is) since I wish to bring a booth banner (still in mockup stage but looks promising), XS server, half a dozen XOs, whatever netbooks I will have by then (waiting on the 2 Dells). Sean On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 8:13 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Due to overwhelming demand, It looks like Sugar Labs will hold SugarCamp Berlin to follow after LinuxTag. I am thinking Sunday, June 28th looks good. As a starting point, I am thinking something like the SugarCamp Sugar Labs held on Sunday as a follow on to OLPCFrance's event last month. If anyone is interested let's see what we can put together! SugarCamp Paris was a great success by my primary measure - the increase and quality of contributions from community members who attend the Camp, particularly the increase in depth and breadth of project leadership. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SugarCamp Berlin
With Sean's highly likely, we have five attendees:) I'll start putting together a event wiki where we can work on the logistics. Be sure to invite your friends and neighbours. Particularly those with an interest in Sugar who will already be at LinuxTag. david On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Highly likely I can make it, probably driving there (far as it is) since I wish to bring a booth banner (still in mockup stage but looks promising), XS server, half a dozen XOs, whatever netbooks I will have by then (waiting on the 2 Dells). Sean On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 8:13 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Due to overwhelming demand, It looks like Sugar Labs will hold SugarCamp Berlin to follow after LinuxTag. I am thinking Sunday, June 28th looks good. As a starting point, I am thinking something like the SugarCamp Sugar Labs held on Sunday as a follow on to OLPCFrance's event last month. If anyone is interested let's see what we can put together! SugarCamp Paris was a great success by my primary measure - the increase and quality of contributions from community members who attend the Camp, particularly the increase in depth and breadth of project leadership. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] SugarCamp Berlin
On 31.05.2009, at 21:45, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 21:32, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: With Sean's highly likely, we have five attendees:) I'll start putting together a event wiki where we can work on the logistics. Be sure to invite your friends and neighbours. Particularly those with an interest in Sugar who will already be at LinuxTag. Btw, the other day I dreamed that we were in a SugarCamp in Brazil, staying in an apartment similar to Sean's (but with furniture) where we ate excellent but very weird asiatic-looking food. Many of the attendants of the last SugarCamp were there and also several new female members. Will keep you posted about further precognitive sugar-related dreams. Yours truly, Tomeu Hehe, you should come to Porto Alegre then :) http://squeakland.org/squeakfest/brasil - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] SugarCamp Berlin
If we could do a meet prior to Sunday, that'd be great as my plane leaves on Sunday 14.00 David (nubae) On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.dewrote: On 31.05.2009, at 21:45, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 21:32, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: With Sean's highly likely, we have five attendees:) I'll start putting together a event wiki where we can work on the logistics. Be sure to invite your friends and neighbours. Particularly those with an interest in Sugar who will already be at LinuxTag. Btw, the other day I dreamed that we were in a SugarCamp in Brazil, staying in an apartment similar to Sean's (but with furniture) where we ate excellent but very weird asiatic-looking food. Many of the attendants of the last SugarCamp were there and also several new female members. Will keep you posted about further precognitive sugar-related dreams. Yours truly, Tomeu Hehe, you should come to Porto Alegre then :) http://squeakland.org/squeakfest/brasil - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] [SoaS] Status Report Remaining Items
Hi folks, I thought it might be a good idea to summarize where we're now regarding the upcoming SoaS for LinuxTag in June. So what are the remaining issues for this release? * All activities need to be updated and working (#607). Those which don't work by June 10 will be taken out from release. - Currently, there seem to be sound issues with TamTam - Develop is reported to return a keep error when closing Here is the list of included activities in the wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap#Activities This is important: Some activities also need to be updated by their Fedora Package Maintainer. A reminder has been sent out earlier: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2009-May/msg00087.html * The boot screens needs to be updated (#709). Christian, Eben, Gary and Sean had already some great discussion on this. Progress is being tracked here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo * We need to get a keyboard panel in the control panel (#720). Martin has committed code for that, which now needs to be picked for Sugar. * The mouse pointer seems to be disappearing on some VIA hardware (#730). This has been reported (RHBZ #491083) and also been fixed upstream. A new RPM will be included once being pushed. * If we're lucky, we can even brand the boot helper, but that's probably not a blocker (#741). All tickets for LinuxTag (even though some of them might need to be moved around) can be seen here: http://www.tinyurl.com/soas-linuxtag And for all bugs filed against SoaS: http://www.tinyurl.com/soas-tickets Most of the listed issues have already been assigned, so it looks like we're in rather good shape. If you've any feature or package you want to get in for this release, please request it immediately. Let's make this an awesome release! Thanks for all the work testing, --Sebastian ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
I like Gary's most recent one with the dots filling in color I got halfway through a mockup with XO avatars appearing, then Activity icons, but I feel using either will just be too confusing... one could think network discovery was happening, or Activity loading. After much reflection, I think the friendliest greeting we could offer to Learners is a face, a Speakish one with eyes rolling around the ring (and a growing smile) while the colors come on. There are still many people who fell in love with their little Macs because of the smiley face. But... that's outside the Sugar HIG and I would think twice before stepping outside of that. So I reread them and came up with this idea (which I hope to mock up tomorrow): instead of dots, I want to do oblong ovals like a big version of the Activity spinner graphic. I searched high and low on sl.o and laptop.org for an SVG but only found a lo-res PNG :-( so I'll just improvise ovals. What I like about presenting the spinner is: immediate identification of a waiting period, no confusion with other elements (the filled in dots are too similar to networks in the Neighborhood view). Also I like that the spinner has 11, not 12 dividers; that asymmetry is interesting and remains clocklike. I like Gary's proposal of empty ones filled with color which I'd like to keep. And... I'd like to start the middle XO icon small (e.g. neighborhood view size) and step it up in size with each spinner step; grow in importance as the system builds, until at the end normal size. As for the colors, I'm not sure I like the color pairs... I'd like to try solid colors, moving through the spectrum rainbowlike. Less Sugarish perhaps, but visually stronger might be. Not sure if the initial logo flash is enough, but concerned that keeping it around might fight the spinner ring. Will have a visual tomorrow to show (holiday so I will have some time) thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Re: grey vs. colors in progress: Actually, I have an issue with all-grey... users could worry that colors are not working in the Sugar UI. If we treated the XO in the center in the selected color combination, we would not only address Sean's point, but also act as a signifier of identity. But I take it this is a technical challenge? I do also agree with the point that gray means in progress. A simplified version of the current boot sequence, without the spinning/split XO, would work well I think. I wouldn't overthink the gray dots--they are just status indicators and the more important aspect in this case (in my opinion) is the XO and the radial arrangement that references the ring in Home. Christian I think we should consider colors although I do appreciate the still loading context communicated by grey. I will post a mockup later expressing that approach; grey dots present right from the start (ring power!), filling in with color during progress... the ring approaching colors from grey I would not recommend customizing the splash/progress from within Sugar... boot time is often a tense moment fraught with impatience (especially after a freeze/crash) and predictability in how Sugar usually loads is I think desirable thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 30 May 2009, at 16:36, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: I agree with your points--comments below: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Christian, On 30 May 2009, at 10:17, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: Hi Gary, this looks good, though I wonder about the loss of the XO in the center. The boot sequence was intended to establish the UI, and in many ways the XO does signify the Sugar brand as much (more?) as the logo. Suggestion: Could we not simply show the logo for a few seconds, before transitioning into the current boot sequence? I'd hate to lose the current sequence, I think it works very well, and Eben will attest that much time was spent arriving at where we are today... Yes, agreed, the original boot up is very hard to beat (showing a child as central). Just bouncing ideas about here. My only criticisms of the original would be: 1) not liking the kid icon breaking into a rotating arrow treatment (seems too forced/smart, the whole XO icon is a stronger identity, appearing dots show progress just fine) Yes, I fully agree! A stationary XO icon would be simpler, less forced. 2) seemed odd for the dots to appear from 6 o'clock to 6 o'clock (12 to 12 feels more natural to me) Agree with that, too. Cool. There's a sample animation of the 2 above uploaded. 3) lack of any colour (though this is tough to avoid breaking HIG iconography on colour use) Here, I think it would be best if the XO would have the colors set in the UI... Sebastian is truly, madly,
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] SugarCamp Berlin
I guess I'll make it, too, as I'll arrive Friday morning and leave Sunday evening... :) looking forward to meet all of you (after I missed the SugarCamp in Paris)! --Sebastian David Van Assche wrote: If we could do a meet prior to Sunday, that'd be great as my plane leaves on Sunday 14.00 David (nubae) On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de mailto:b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 31.05.2009, at 21:45, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 21:32, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org mailto:dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: With Sean's highly likely, we have five attendees:) I'll start putting together a event wiki where we can work on the logistics. Be sure to invite your friends and neighbours. Particularly those with an interest in Sugar who will already be at LinuxTag. Btw, the other day I dreamed that we were in a SugarCamp in Brazil, staying in an apartment similar to Sean's (but with furniture) where we ate excellent but very weird asiatic-looking food. Many of the attendants of the last SugarCamp were there and also several new female members. Will keep you posted about further precognitive sugar-related dreams. Yours truly, Tomeu Hehe, you should come to Porto Alegre then :) http://squeakland.org/squeakfest/brasil - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Thanks Sean--a visual would be good to fully understand the proposal. I guess my feeling on all of this is that less is more--as Eben said earlier, the boot sequence is really just the set-up for the UI. I'd be happy if we simply did away with the split-XO, but I'm also on-board with adding a bit of color, though I would caution not to overthink it. The reason the Mac OS boot sequence you mention works so well is due to its simplicity. Instead of a face, we have the XO as our emblem--and the circle, while making a reference to connectedness and community, transitions into a core feature of the UI in Home... Either way, looking forward to seeing your mockups! Christian On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I like Gary's most recent one with the dots filling in color I got halfway through a mockup with XO avatars appearing, then Activity icons, but I feel using either will just be too confusing... one could think network discovery was happening, or Activity loading. After much reflection, I think the friendliest greeting we could offer to Learners is a face, a Speakish one with eyes rolling around the ring (and a growing smile) while the colors come on. There are still many people who fell in love with their little Macs because of the smiley face. But... that's outside the Sugar HIG and I would think twice before stepping outside of that. So I reread them and came up with this idea (which I hope to mock up tomorrow): instead of dots, I want to do oblong ovals like a big version of the Activity spinner graphic. I searched high and low on sl.o and laptop.org for an SVG but only found a lo-res PNG :-( so I'll just improvise ovals. What I like about presenting the spinner is: immediate identification of a waiting period, no confusion with other elements (the filled in dots are too similar to networks in the Neighborhood view). Also I like that the spinner has 11, not 12 dividers; that asymmetry is interesting and remains clocklike. I like Gary's proposal of empty ones filled with color which I'd like to keep. And... I'd like to start the middle XO icon small (e.g. neighborhood view size) and step it up in size with each spinner step; grow in importance as the system builds, until at the end normal size. As for the colors, I'm not sure I like the color pairs... I'd like to try solid colors, moving through the spectrum rainbowlike. Less Sugarish perhaps, but visually stronger might be. Not sure if the initial logo flash is enough, but concerned that keeping it around might fight the spinner ring. Will have a visual tomorrow to show (holiday so I will have some time) thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Re: grey vs. colors in progress: Actually, I have an issue with all-grey... users could worry that colors are not working in the Sugar UI. If we treated the XO in the center in the selected color combination, we would not only address Sean's point, but also act as a signifier of identity. But I take it this is a technical challenge? I do also agree with the point that gray means in progress. A simplified version of the current boot sequence, without the spinning/split XO, would work well I think. I wouldn't overthink the gray dots--they are just status indicators and the more important aspect in this case (in my opinion) is the XO and the radial arrangement that references the ring in Home. Christian I think we should consider colors although I do appreciate the still loading context communicated by grey. I will post a mockup later expressing that approach; grey dots present right from the start (ring power!), filling in with color during progress... the ring approaching colors from grey I would not recommend customizing the splash/progress from within Sugar... boot time is often a tense moment fraught with impatience (especially after a freeze/crash) and predictability in how Sugar usually loads is I think desirable thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 30 May 2009, at 16:36, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: I agree with your points--comments below: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Christian, On 30 May 2009, at 10:17, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: Hi Gary, this looks good, though I wonder about the loss of the XO in the center. The boot sequence was intended to establish the UI, and in many ways the XO does signify the Sugar brand as much (more?) as the logo. Suggestion: Could we not simply show the logo for a few seconds, before transitioning into the current boot sequence? I'd hate to lose the current sequence, I think it works very well, and Eben will attest that much time was spent arriving at where we are today... Yes, agreed, the original boot up is
Re: [IAEP] NYSCATE - Nov 2009 in Rochester NY
Hi Karlie, Its looking like Rochester is going to be a hotbed of Sugar development. We are hoping to co-locate a Sugar conference with NYSCATE. Given that I think we should really go for it on in terms of presentations. My thought is lets propose two hands on 3 hour workshops. Using Sugar in the Elementary School Classroom and another specializing in Using Sugar in Math Instruction. Lets also sign up for a 1 hour lecture format session on Sugar. Who else is going to be there? Is there someone from Math4 group who can be Presentor 1 for the Math Class? Thanks, Caroline On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Karlie Robinson karlie_robin...@webpath.net wrote: Good afternoon everyone. Charles Profitt has me thinking a lot about he New York State Association for Computers and Technologies in Education Trade show in Rochester NY, November 22-24, 2009. As Chas explains, if technology isn't pitched at NYSCATE, it won't even be on the radar for districts in NY State. While I could complete the RFP for a 1 hour talk, I'd like to do something spectacular if we could. So would anyone like to come to Rochester with your XOs and help lead a 3 or 6 hour hands on session? If so, what should we present for 3 hours? I need ideas! Thanks in advance for your help, Karlie links Past presentations: http://nyscate.wikispaces.com/1-Hour+Sessions+2008 Submit a presentation (RFP) http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=361 General Information: http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=321 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] NYSCATE - Nov 2009 in Rochester NY
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Karlie, Its looking like Rochester is going to be a hotbed of Sugar development. We are hoping to co-locate a Sugar conference with NYSCATE. I talked to the NYSCATE organizers late last week. Once they get over the shock of a bunch of Sugar contributors wanting to come to the _teachers_ to see what they want, and need, from a Learning Platform, I think things will go really well! david Given that I think we should really go for it on in terms of presentations. My thought is lets propose two hands on 3 hour workshops. Using Sugar in the Elementary School Classroom and another specializing in Using Sugar in Math Instruction. Lets also sign up for a 1 hour lecture format session on Sugar. Who else is going to be there? Is there someone from Math4 group who can be Presentor 1 for the Math Class? Thanks, Caroline On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Karlie Robinson karlie_robin...@webpath.net wrote: Good afternoon everyone. Charles Profitt has me thinking a lot about he New York State Association for Computers and Technologies in Education Trade show in Rochester NY, November 22-24, 2009. As Chas explains, if technology isn't pitched at NYSCATE, it won't even be on the radar for districts in NY State. While I could complete the RFP for a 1 hour talk, I'd like to do something spectacular if we could. So would anyone like to come to Rochester with your XOs and help lead a 3 or 6 hour hands on session? If so, what should we present for 3 hours? I need ideas! Thanks in advance for your help, Karlie links Past presentations: http://nyscate.wikispaces.com/1-Hour+Sessions+2008 Submit a presentation (RFP) http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=361 General Information: http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=321 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] NYSCATE - Nov 2009 in Rochester NY
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 21:50, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Its looking like Rochester is going to be a hotbed of Sugar development. We are hoping to co-locate a Sugar conference with NYSCATE. Using hotbed and Rochester (especially when November is part of the context) is a high crime. ;-) Just an FYI for forgetful folks like me: Nov 22-24 would be Thanksgiving week, no? Make travel arrangements EARLY! -- Ubuntu Linux DC LoCo Washington, DC http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
