Thanks Sean--a visual would be good to fully understand the proposal. I guess my feeling on all of this is that less is more--as Eben said earlier, the boot sequence is really just the set-up for the UI. I'd be happy if we simply did away with the split-XO, but I'm also on-board with adding a bit of color, though I would caution not to overthink it. The reason the Mac OS boot sequence you mention works so well is due to its simplicity. Instead of a face, we have the XO as our emblem--and the circle, while making a reference to connectedness and community, transitions into a core feature of the UI in Home...
Either way, looking forward to seeing your mockups! Christian On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote: > I like Gary's most recent one with the dots filling in color > > I got halfway through a mockup with XO avatars appearing, then > Activity icons, but I feel using either will just be too confusing... > one could think network discovery was happening, or Activity loading. > > After much reflection, I think the friendliest greeting we could offer > to Learners is a face, a Speakish one with eyes rolling around the > ring (and a growing smile) while the colors come on. There are still > many people who fell in love with their little Macs because of the > smiley face. > > But... that's outside the Sugar HIG and I would think twice before > stepping outside of that. So I reread them and came up with this idea > (which I hope to mock up tomorrow): instead of dots, I want to do > oblong ovals like a big version of the Activity spinner graphic. I > searched high and low on sl.o and laptop.org for an SVG but only found > a lo-res PNG :-( so I'll just improvise ovals. What I like about > presenting the spinner is: immediate identification of a waiting > period, no confusion with other elements (the filled in dots are too > similar to networks in the Neighborhood view). Also I like that the > spinner has 11, not 12 dividers; that asymmetry is interesting and > remains clocklike. I like Gary's proposal of empty ones filled with > color which I'd like to keep. And... I'd like to start the middle XO > icon small (e.g. neighborhood view size) and step it up in size with > each spinner step; grow in importance as the system builds, until at > the end normal size. > > As for the colors, I'm not sure I like the color pairs... I'd like to > try solid colors, moving through the spectrum rainbowlike. Less > Sugarish perhaps, but visually stronger might be. > > Not sure if the initial logo flash is enough, but concerned that > keeping it around might fight the spinner ring. > > Will have a visual tomorrow to show (holiday so I will have some time) > > thanks > > Sean > > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt > <christianm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Re: grey vs. colors in progress: Actually, I have an issue with >>> all-grey... users could worry that colors are not working in the Sugar >>> UI. >> >> If we treated the XO in the center in the selected color combination, >> we would not only address Sean's point, but also act as a signifier of >> identity. But I take it this is a technical challenge? I do also agree >> with the point that gray means "in progress". A simplified version of >> the current boot sequence, without the spinning/split XO, would work >> well I think. >> >> I wouldn't overthink the gray dots--they are just status indicators >> and the more important aspect in this case (in my opinion) is the XO >> and the radial arrangement that references the ring in Home. >> >> >> Christian >> >>> >>> I think we should consider colors although I do appreciate the "still >>> loading" context communicated by grey. >>> >>> I will post a mockup later expressing that approach; grey dots present >>> right from the start (ring power!), filling in with color during >>> progress... the ring "approaching" colors from grey >>> >>> I would not recommend customizing the splash/progress from within >>> Sugar... boot time is often a tense moment fraught with impatience >>> (especially after a freeze/crash) and predictability in how Sugar >>> "usually" loads is I think desirable >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> Sean >>> >>> >>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Gary C Martin <g...@garycmartin.com> wrote: >>>> On 30 May 2009, at 16:36, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree with your points--comments below: >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Gary C Martin <g...@garycmartin.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Christian, >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30 May 2009, at 10:17, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Gary, this looks good, though I wonder about the loss of the XO in >>>>>>> the center. The boot sequence was intended to establish the UI, and in >>>>>>> many ways the XO does signify the Sugar brand as much (more?) as the >>>>>>> logo. Suggestion: Could we not simply show the logo for a few seconds, >>>>>>> before transitioning into the current boot sequence? I'd hate to lose >>>>>>> the current sequence, I think it works very well, and Eben will attest >>>>>>> that much time was spent arriving at where we are today... >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, agreed, the original boot up is very hard to beat (showing a child >>>>>> as >>>>>> central). Just bouncing ideas about here. My only criticisms of the >>>>>> original >>>>>> would be: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) not liking the kid icon breaking into a rotating arrow treatment >>>>>> (seems >>>>>> too forced/smart, the whole XO icon is a stronger identity, appearing >>>>>> dots >>>>>> show progress just fine) >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I fully agree! A stationary XO icon would be simpler, less forced. >>>>> >>>>>> 2) seemed odd for the dots to appear from 6 o'clock to 6 o'clock (12 to >>>>>> 12 >>>>>> feels more natural to me) >>>>> >>>>> Agree with that, too. >>>> >>>> Cool. There's a sample animation of the 2 above uploaded. >>>> >>>>>> 3) lack of any colour (though this is tough to avoid breaking HIG >>>>>> iconography on colour use) >>>>> >>>>> Here, I think it would be best if the XO would have the colors set in the >>>>> UI... >>>> >>>> Sebastian is truly, madly, deeply going to hate you for this suggestion ;-) >>>> >>>> I do like that use of greys to signify that 'things are not ready yet' so >>>> I'm on the fence here. I did try another animation with the dots appearing >>>> in the 12 logo fill/outline colours. I did wonder about showing them all as >>>> grey from the start, and then lighting up with colour. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> --Gary >>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> --Gary >>>>>> >>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Gary C Martin <g...@garycmartin.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Folks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just to get a basic, safe, default starting point in there, I've >>>>>>>> uploaded >>>>>>>> one simple treatment to: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Sugar_Boot_Logo_Animations >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Will try to upload a couple more tomorrow. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Night, >>>>>>>> --Gary >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P.S. Should pull this back on list, your call Sean, but probably worth >>>>>>>> getting a couple more ideas up so that folks can input to some >>>>>>>> alternative >>>>>>>> treatments. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Christian, Eben >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an >>>>>>>>> outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, "celebrating" Sugar >>>>>>>>> interface.iconography and greeting children. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that >>>>>>>>> consecutively named files will do the trick >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, do >>>>>>>>> you guys have any interface assets i could grab? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Input greatly appreciated >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Maybe we could work on it together? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> here's my idea.... like my booth rollup banner mockup which Christian >>>>>>>>>> 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within the >>>>>>>>>> Sugar >>>>>>>>>> HIG and iconography. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the previous SoaS >>>>>>>>>> ... (not sure yet if should be with or without "labs") >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but instead >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> dots, I want XO avatars - kids! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity >>>>>>>>>> icon... >>>>>>>>>> matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. So kids >>>>>>>>>> understand that Activities are for them. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And ending with... kids around the Journal! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling sequence for >>>>>>>>>> a short film. I started with the final image and wiped elements, >>>>>>>>>> backing down to the first image >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which could >>>>>>>>>> inject arbitrary text into a ppm file >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Martin >>>>>>>>>> <g...@garycmartin.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Sean, >>>>>>>>>>> FYI, this came in off list. >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> --G >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: James Zaki <james.z...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: 29 May 2009 22:24:06 BST >>>>>>>>>>> To: Gary C Martin <g...@garycmartin.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen >>>>>>>>>>> I'm in touch with a design company who owes me a favour or two. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I could get them to whip up some concept designs for inspiration? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2009/5/29 Gary C Martin <g...@garycmartin.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 May 2009, at 21:37, Sean DALY wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sebastian, Gary >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea brewing >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> awhile >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cool, shout if you need extra hands/review. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --G >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What's the deadline please? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Gary C Martin >>>>>>>>>>>>> <g...@garycmartin.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 May 2009, at 18:41, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sorry for the short notice, but this is rather urgent. I've been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending yesterday afternoon to update the packages in our SoaS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to reflect the changes for Fedora 11. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, the plymouth package has been partly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rewritten, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was wondering (also with regard to #709), how we wanted to deal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new boot screen. For now, I've just implemented the old Sugar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again, but we might also want to have something more shiny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (probably >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a progress bar). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some form of progress indicator would be a useful addition. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not really that good at art and the Sugar logo thing there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first nothing more than a quick hack, so it'd would be really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone could have a look and work on such a boot screen. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy to give it a look/shot from a graphics point of view if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one else steps forward. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So. When did you need it by? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OLPC is currently doing the same for their 1.5 software release, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gives us a good possibility to have a look at the file >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.freedesktop.org/~halfline/olpc.tar.bz2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please let me know if there's anything I can help with. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm new to plymouth, but looking at the content of olpc.tar.bz2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems simple. My main question is where should I look for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> config >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that describes which images get loaded in what order. Perhaps the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> names just conform to some hardcoded protocol? 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