Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.
El Fri, 18-09-2009 a las 16:27 -0400, Chris Ball escribió: Please volunteer by replying to this mail if you're interested, and please do so by Thursday September 24th so that we can run the vote at the Friday September 25th SLOBs meeting. I can't volunteer to serve as a member of the volunteer panel, but I'd like to offer my viewpoint on this issue. The role of Sugar Labs is to promote Sugar, very much like the role of the GNOME Foundation is to promote GNOME and the role of the KDE e.V. is to promote KDE. We should be doing anything that is beneficial to this goal, and nothing that is contrary ot it. Sorry if it sounds like I'm stating the obvious; I just want to have a common starting point that everyone would agree upon. It's good to see Sugar being shipped on all major distros and on the XO, of course... However, SoaS is different. SoaS redefines the rules of the game, and gives a physical identity to Sugar. If it's not clear enough: I have very high expectations for the SoaS project. So my answer to the question should Sugar Labs be promoting SoaS? is simply of course! Actually, it's undeniable that we've been doing it already, at all levels, from engineering to marketing. On the other hand, if you'd ask me: should Sugar Labs be promoting ONLY (or mainly) SoaS?... I don't know anyone who would say yes. We've welcomed any hardware and OS vendor who would distribute Sugar, and tried to treat them equally: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads . Granted, SoaS seems to have more visibility, but wouldn't we give TrisquelSugar the same level of endorsement if it reached the same level of maturity and support? Probably, we'd call it something different from just SoaS because this name identified the Fedora-based live USB for so long that it...err... stuck to it. Do we really need to use trademarks and lawyers to determine what particular ISO image is going to be called SoaS from now on? So far, I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything too controversial. Perhaps the actual issue at stake is not really one of endorsement, but one of *control*? Is our community perhaps concerned by the ownership of SoaS as a product? Personally, I think Sugar Labs should not be selling end-user products and support contracts schools. Let's leave this business to the for-profits. This goal has been in my SLOB platform since last year: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Bernie#Goals_for_Sugar_Labs . If companies like Solution Grove want to market SoaS as a product, well, it's *great* news for us and for Sugar. If they succeed in the market, Sugar also succeeds. Even when they fail, at least we get to keep they work they contributed to that point. Yet another advantage of free software. Our only concern should be to ensure that Sugar (and probably also SoaS) doesn't become *exclusively* controlled by only one entity in a way that would prevent an open and fair competition from any other entities. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.
2009/9/20 Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org: I can't volunteer to serve as a member of the volunteer panel, but I'd like to offer my viewpoint on this issue. I agree and I also feel that we have consensus on those 2 things (SL should promote SoaS, SL should treat distributors equally). The 3rd, about naming, is where we have conflicting viewpoints. Some feel that the sugar on a stick name should be permanently assigned to Sebastian's Fedora-based project, but there are some opposing viewpoints: Sean wrote: Of course, such a scenario raises other questions. If Fedora SoaS is the official version offered to parents and teachers, what happens if a different distro does a better job with a liveUSB implementation? The day a liveUSB version of Sugar contains a risk-free hard-drive installer (if such a thing is even possible) and close integration with the XS server, entire fleets of schools' machines can be flipped to Sugar. Should that better version become Sugar on a Stick? My answer is yes - because it is Sugar Labs building up the brand equity in Sugar on a Stick, and it is Sugar Labs that should have final say about what it is and what it means. Tomeu wrote: I think the problem is that SLs may want to market an user-end distro and only one, and call it the same regardless of the underlying technologies, because the user doesn't care about those. Yamandu wrote: I believe SL should support and highlight the best, generally allowing the others to call themselves a SOAS if they want to, and also be mentioned in SL web pages and presentations, with the reasonable caveat that they are even more so works in progress than the highlighted SOAS I don't quite understand this decision panel stuff. Is a different decision panel elected every time there is an undecided issue at hand? Or do we elect one group that remains in place for all unanswered questions, present and future? Everyone here seems to already have their own opinions already, and we have already discussed them, provided our own reasoning, and read the views of others. So it seems like the vote of the decision panel would only be unanimous if you were to pick people only on 1 side of the argument.. and the number of votes each way would depend exactly on who you pick for it. Why can't the oversight board make decisions directly? It seems to me that they were voted for based on the fact we trust their vision for the direction of sugarlabs. and it would save us a lot of time and email... Daniel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:47, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: 2009/9/20 Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org: I can't volunteer to serve as a member of the volunteer panel, but I'd like to offer my viewpoint on this issue. I agree and I also feel that we have consensus on those 2 things (SL should promote SoaS, SL should treat distributors equally). The 3rd, about naming, is where we have conflicting viewpoints. Some feel that the sugar on a stick name should be permanently assigned to Sebastian's Fedora-based project, but there are some opposing viewpoints: Sean wrote: Of course, such a scenario raises other questions. If Fedora SoaS is the official version offered to parents and teachers, what happens if a different distro does a better job with a liveUSB implementation? The day a liveUSB version of Sugar contains a risk-free hard-drive installer (if such a thing is even possible) and close integration with the XS server, entire fleets of schools' machines can be flipped to Sugar. Should that better version become Sugar on a Stick? My answer is yes - because it is Sugar Labs building up the brand equity in Sugar on a Stick, and it is Sugar Labs that should have final say about what it is and what it means. Tomeu wrote: I think the problem is that SLs may want to market an user-end distro and only one, and call it the same regardless of the underlying technologies, because the user doesn't care about those. Please note that SLs may, I'm not personally decided on one way or the other, I also see as very important that the community behind a particular flavor of SoaS has a strong identity that cannot be changed by anyone external to it. As a parallel, Linux Caixa Mágica is the name for a product, Caixa Mágica Software the name of the company behind it, and its community is called Caixa Mágica Community. Though the community can submit packages for approval and distribution, my understanding is that most of the distro work is done by employees at Caixa Mágica Software. They have actually changed once from OpenSUSE to Mandriva as the base of their distro, but in that case I would expect that the company just decided it internally and its employees just stopped working on one code base and started using the other. AFAIK, no names were changed, nor for the product, nor the company, nor the community. I bet some people in the community didn't liked it, some might have left it, but that didn't affected the continuity of the project. The crucial difference to our situation is that we have a team for every distro and chances are that those working on one are not going to switch teams and start using another distro as the base of their work. So, a possible solution could be calling the product marketed by SLs Sugar on a Stick and each individual team and product Fedora Sugar on a Stick, OpenSUSE Sugar on a Stick, etc. From time to time SLs would decide to call and market as Sugar on a Stick a particular release of a particular flavor. This decision process should be very transparent and fair, of course. Would that work for everyone? Any other proposals? Yamandu wrote: I believe SL should support and highlight the best, generally allowing the others to call themselves a SOAS if they want to, and also be mentioned in SL web pages and presentations, with the reasonable caveat that they are even more so works in progress than the highlighted SOAS I don't quite understand this decision panel stuff. Is a different decision panel elected every time there is an undecided issue at hand? Or do we elect one group that remains in place for all unanswered questions, present and future? Everyone here seems to already have their own opinions already, and we have already discussed them, provided our own reasoning, and read the views of others. So it seems like the vote of the decision panel would only be unanimous if you were to pick people only on 1 side of the argument.. and the number of votes each way would depend exactly on who you pick for it. Why can't the oversight board make decisions directly? It seems to me that they were voted for based on the fact we trust their vision for the direction of sugarlabs. and it would save us a lot of time and email... I think the decision panel is supposed to have a better knowledge of the matter at hand than the members of the oversight board. I can see this working better in practice in bigger community than us. SLOBs are chosen by their capacity to push forward SLs' mission but they might not be the best prepared to take any decision that is presented to them. Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Debian-olpc-devel] Glucose 0.84 and 0.85 packaged for Debian!
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 03:24:23AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 06:49:00PM -0500, David Farning wrote: 2. manually sync /debian from git.debian.org to git.gnewsense.org 3. do final work in git.gnewsense.org Is Alioth such a cruel place to work together? Is it me - am I awful to work with? Why do you ask for my advice on how to most effectively avoid working together with me?!? Sorry for being aggressive above! I realize now (after some sleep, and then working some on a talk I will hold next week in Taiwan about interaction between upstreams, distros and subdistros) that branching off a Git is a *use* of my work. I should not discourage *use*, even if it comes in a diferent form than I had envisioned. So please accept my apology, and if not too late (if my initial response didn't discourage you), then please do return with whatever technical questions you have regarding early branching for gNewSense. I shall try to help you succeed with your branching of my work if that is really what you want to do. Hope you will engage more than just fork off, Above remark still stands :-) Also, I still recommend limiting cross-posts to initial announcements and doing follow-ups only at a single list: Invite broadly but have the actual conversation in a single meeting room rather than shouting all out from the hill tops. For this discussion I recommend using the Alioth list, and have added a reply-to accordingly. I only continue cross-posting as long as others do. If you want to read all of this thread, then beware that some of it reside only at the Alioth list. If you want to spawn a different subtopic which might be better suited for a different of the cross-posted lists, then do cross-post, but change the subject line, and propose a new single list for follow-ups. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.
So, a possible solution could be calling the product marketed by SLs Sugar on a Stick and each individual team and product Fedora Sugar on a Stick, OpenSUSE Sugar on a Stick, etc. From time to time SLs would decide to call and market as Sugar on a Stick a particular release of a particular flavor. This decision process should be very transparent and fair, of course. This naming scheme may be politically correct, but from a marketing stand point it's probably not a good idea. I believe the pros would say it dilutes the brand. Then again I'm not a marketing professional so I'll leave it at that. FWIW I'm using the OpenSuse version since that was the one I could install on my hard disk. -- Philippe -- The trouble with common sense is that it is so uncommon. Anonymous ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.
2009/9/20 Philippe Clérié phili...@gcal.net: So, a possible solution could be calling the product marketed by SLs Sugar on a Stick and each individual team and product Fedora Sugar on a Stick, OpenSUSE Sugar on a Stick, etc. From time to time SLs would decide to call and market as Sugar on a Stick a particular release of a particular flavor. This decision process should be very transparent and fair, of course. This naming scheme may be politically correct, but from a marketing stand point it's probably not a good idea. I believe the pros would say it dilutes the brand. Then again I'm not a marketing professional so I'll leave it at that. But the idea is for SLs to market only Sugar on a Stick, whatever it is based on. Regards, Tomeu FWIW I'm using the OpenSuse version since that was the one I could install on my hard disk. -- Philippe -- The trouble with common sense is that it is so uncommon. Anonymous ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.
But the idea is for SLs to market only Sugar on a Stick, whatever it is based on. Exactly. So what it is based on is (or should be) irrelevant to the customers. -- Philippe -- The trouble with common sense is that it is so uncommon. Anonymous On Sunday 20 September 2009 07:24:42 Tomeu Vizoso wrote: 2009/9/20 Philippe Clérié phili...@gcal.net: So, a possible solution could be calling the product marketed by SLs Sugar on a Stick and each individual team and product Fedora Sugar on a Stick, OpenSUSE Sugar on a Stick, etc. From time to time SLs would decide to call and market as Sugar on a Stick a particular release of a particular flavor. This decision process should be very transparent and fair, of course. This naming scheme may be politically correct, but from a marketing stand point it's probably not a good idea. I believe the pros would say it dilutes the brand. Then again I'm not a marketing professional so I'll leave it at that. But the idea is for SLs to market only Sugar on a Stick, whatever it is based on. Regards, Tomeu FWIW I'm using the OpenSuse version since that was the one I could install on my hard disk. -- Philippe -- The trouble with common sense is that it is so uncommon. Anonymous ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.
2009/9/20 Philippe Clérié phili...@gcal.net: But the idea is for SLs to market only Sugar on a Stick, whatever it is based on. Exactly. So what it is based on is (or should be) irrelevant to the customers. Right, that's why the longer names such as Debian Sugar on a Stick would refer to teams and the images that they produce, not to what SLs markets. Regards, Tomeu -- Philippe -- The trouble with common sense is that it is so uncommon. Anonymous On Sunday 20 September 2009 07:24:42 Tomeu Vizoso wrote: 2009/9/20 Philippe Clérié phili...@gcal.net: So, a possible solution could be calling the product marketed by SLs Sugar on a Stick and each individual team and product Fedora Sugar on a Stick, OpenSUSE Sugar on a Stick, etc. From time to time SLs would decide to call and market as Sugar on a Stick a particular release of a particular flavor. This decision process should be very transparent and fair, of course. This naming scheme may be politically correct, but from a marketing stand point it's probably not a good idea. I believe the pros would say it dilutes the brand. Then again I'm not a marketing professional so I'll leave it at that. But the idea is for SLs to market only Sugar on a Stick, whatever it is based on. Regards, Tomeu FWIW I'm using the OpenSuse version since that was the one I could install on my hard disk. -- Philippe -- The trouble with common sense is that it is so uncommon. Anonymous ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.
2009/9/20 Philippe Clérié phili...@gcal.net: I don't quite understand this decision panel stuff. Is a different decision panel elected every time there is an undecided issue at hand? Or do we elect one group that remains in place for all unanswered questions, present and future? I sympathize since I'm also a bit confused. This is what I would call a policy decision. It's not an administrative or a technical problem that needs to be resolved. It's a choice between several, possibly equally valid ways of going forward. It's *policy* and that belongs to the board I would think. AFAIUI, the decision would be taken by the SLOBs after the panel would give them a recommendation. Regards, Tomeu (Caution: I have not read the rules of engagement! :-)) -- Philippe -- The trouble with common sense is that it is so uncommon. Anonymous On Sunday 20 September 2009 03:47:59 Daniel Drake wrote: ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.
El Sun, 20-09-2009 a las 09:33 -0500, Yamandu Ploskonka escribió: Because of my ignorant ways in interpreting things, which I trust is also the way of the populace :-), I think the wisest thing is to keep the SOaS moniker as a basic SLs thing, of course, of course recognizing Sebastian. I mean, because he sort of owns SOaS, I would say he sort of owns SLs itself, in a way (at least, much more than people like I) While Sebastian's contribution to SoaS has been predominant, besides him there are also a bunch of other people who deserve acknowledgment: 207 Sebastian Dziallas 152 Martin Dengler 27 Marco Pesenti Gritti 11 Aleksey Lim 11 Simon Schampijer 9 Daniel Drake This is by counting the number of patches. There are many other possible metrics, some of which may result in a different ranking. Tomeu's proposal to distinguish the distros by fully qualifying them as Fedora SoaS or SUSE SoaS attempts to be fair, but is not very feasible. It reminds very much of GNU/Linux: while it's probably more correct, people already got into the habit of saying Linux, which also happens to be shorter and easier to pronounce. People are naturally inclined to shorten words, not make them longer! Like it or not, at this point SoaS will irreversibly identify the Fedora SoaS. The maintainers of other live USB distros could still call theirs something like SUSE SoaS, but it would simply sound terrible, wouldn't it? They'd be better off finding an entirely new name such as Live Sugar, Trisquel Sugar, or something more creative. [...] However, I was certain yesterday, and so I am today, that Caroline would never act as a squatter, at the very worst she will allow nice links to be on her page that would get people to SOaSF or SOaSU or SOaSO or whatever. The http://sugaronastick.com website appears to be designed for end-users who are not technical enough to appreciate the difference between a Fedora, an Ubuntu and a SUSE. I wouldn't complain if Caroline decided to showcase just the SoaS variant that she thinks would work best for her customers, or that it's easier for her to support. It's up to her to decide, because she's the one doing all the work and paying the hosting bill. People behind other USB live distros of Sugar can certainly do the same: register another domain, say SugarLive.com or TrisquelSugar.org, and do good branding. Of course, in a good community all these people would try to work together rather than pointlessly compete with each other. The Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team can offer free disk space and bandwidth to host such a project. Are there any volunteers to do it? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] XO Special interest group at Sugar Labs
In some of the other threads we have been seeing an interest in the Sugar Labs Community improving the Sugar experience on the XO. As such, I would like to create a XO SIG within Sugar Labs. I have filed an initial draft application with the OLPC Contributors program for 5 loaner machines for developers. My idea is to start by getting a working version of the current versions of Sugar and Fedora running on an XO. The SIG might lose some of the specific hardware benefits and mass deployment features on the first couple of iterations. But, it can work towards the larger deployments needs as the development, testing, and triaging processes improve. One piece that I would like to be very clear that the goal of the SIG is to be an community led upstream for OLPC. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact
I have set up a week site that has some preliminary research findings. You can visit it here: http://web.me.com/geraldar/The_Shape_of_Disruption/Welcome.html I would appreciate any questions or feedback. Gerald On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: This literature review is fantastic. I am a middle school science teacher in Northern Westchester County, NY, and am also a doctoral student at Pace University. My research project is investigating the impact of our 5th graders using the XOs (and Sugar of course) on their independence. We began this project last year, and I would be happy to share the results if anyone is interested. We on this list are interested, and there is constant demand from governments, NGOs, and other for data on OLPC deployments, ranging from costs to educational outcomes. Best, Gerald Ardito On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: see http://wiki.laptop.org/images/f/fb/Literature_Review_040309.pdf ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact
Hi Gerald, Very interested in your project and research. Did you manage to gather any baseline data on the students as independent learners before the project started? Also interested to know if the school authorities and the teachers understood the disruptive nature of the project and their commitment to including the whole school if the results are positive. Ian Thomson RICS and OLPC Coordinator Noumea SPC Phone +687 26 01 44 From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Ardito Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:39 AM To: Edward Cherlin Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact I have set up a week site that has some preliminary research findings. You can visit it here: http://web.me.com/geraldar/The_Shape_of_Disruption/Welcome.html I would appreciate any questions or feedback. Gerald On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: This literature review is fantastic. I am a middle school science teacher in Northern Westchester County, NY, and am also a doctoral student at Pace University. My research project is investigating the impact of our 5th graders using the XOs (and Sugar of course) on their independence. We began this project last year, and I would be happy to share the results if anyone is interested. We on this list are interested, and there is constant demand from governments, NGOs, and other for data on OLPC deployments, ranging from costs to educational outcomes. Best, Gerald Ardito On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: see http://wiki.laptop.org/images/f/fb/Literature_Review_040309.pdf ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact
Ian, I am just starting, and will be collecting baseline data. And my principal and superintendent and the teachers are on board for the kind of disruption, which is great. More as it happens. Gerald On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Ian Thomson i...@spc.int wrote: Hi Gerald, Very interested in your project and research. Did you manage to gather any baseline data on the students as independent learners before the project started? Also interested to know if the school authorities and the teachers understood the disruptive nature of the project and their commitment to including the whole school if the results are positive. Ian Thomson RICS and OLPC Coordinator Noumea SPC Phone +687 26 01 44 *From:* iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] *On Behalf Of *Gerald Ardito *Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2009 10:39 AM *To:* Edward Cherlin *Cc:* iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org *Subject:* Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact I have set up a week site that has some preliminary research findings. You can visit it here: http://web.me.com/geraldar/The_Shape_of_Disruption/Welcome.html I would appreciate any questions or feedback. Gerald On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: This literature review is fantastic. I am a middle school science teacher in Northern Westchester County, NY, and am also a doctoral student at Pace University. My research project is investigating the impact of our 5th graders using the XOs (and Sugar of course) on their independence. We began this project last year, and I would be happy to share the results if anyone is interested. We on this list are interested, and there is constant demand from governments, NGOs, and other for data on OLPC deployments, ranging from costs to educational outcomes. Best, Gerald Ardito On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: see http://wiki.laptop.org/images/f/fb/Literature_Review_040309.pdf ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact
Gerald, I am curious about your choice to evaluate a middleschool as opposed to an elementary school. Sugar and the OLPC XO were designed for elementary-school-aged children. regards. -walter On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Ian, I am just starting, and will be collecting baseline data. And my principal and superintendent and the teachers are on board for the kind of disruption, which is great. More as it happens. Gerald On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Ian Thomson i...@spc.int wrote: Hi Gerald, Very interested in your project and research. Did you manage to gather any baseline data on the students as independent learners before the project started? Also interested to know if the school authorities and the teachers understood the disruptive nature of the project and their commitment to including the whole school if the results are positive. Ian Thomson RICS and OLPC Coordinator Noumea SPC Phone +687 26 01 44 From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Ardito Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:39 AM To: Edward Cherlin Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact I have set up a week site that has some preliminary research findings. You can visit it here: http://web.me.com/geraldar/The_Shape_of_Disruption/Welcome.html I would appreciate any questions or feedback. Gerald On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: This literature review is fantastic. I am a middle school science teacher in Northern Westchester County, NY, and am also a doctoral student at Pace University. My research project is investigating the impact of our 5th graders using the XOs (and Sugar of course) on their independence. We began this project last year, and I would be happy to share the results if anyone is interested. We on this list are interested, and there is constant demand from governments, NGOs, and other for data on OLPC deployments, ranging from costs to educational outcomes. Best, Gerald Ardito On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: see http://wiki.laptop.org/images/f/fb/Literature_Review_040309.pdf ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact
Walter, It just happens that in my district the 5th graders are in the middle school. I consider them elementary students and they are still taught in an elementary school fashion. Does that make sense? Gerald On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: Gerald, I am curious about your choice to evaluate a middleschool as opposed to an elementary school. Sugar and the OLPC XO were designed for elementary-school-aged children. regards. -walter On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Ian, I am just starting, and will be collecting baseline data. And my principal and superintendent and the teachers are on board for the kind of disruption, which is great. More as it happens. Gerald On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Ian Thomson i...@spc.int wrote: Hi Gerald, Very interested in your project and research. Did you manage to gather any baseline data on the students as independent learners before the project started? Also interested to know if the school authorities and the teachers understood the disruptive nature of the project and their commitment to including the whole school if the results are positive. Ian Thomson RICS and OLPC Coordinator Noumea SPC Phone +687 26 01 44 From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Ardito Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:39 AM To: Edward Cherlin Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact I have set up a week site that has some preliminary research findings. You can visit it here: http://web.me.com/geraldar/The_Shape_of_Disruption/Welcome.html I would appreciate any questions or feedback. Gerald On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: This literature review is fantastic. I am a middle school science teacher in Northern Westchester County, NY, and am also a doctoral student at Pace University. My research project is investigating the impact of our 5th graders using the XOs (and Sugar of course) on their independence. We began this project last year, and I would be happy to share the results if anyone is interested. We on this list are interested, and there is constant demand from governments, NGOs, and other for data on OLPC deployments, ranging from costs to educational outcomes. Best, Gerald Ardito On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: see http://wiki.laptop.org/images/f/fb/Literature_Review_040309.pdf ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Walter, It just happens that in my district the 5th graders are in the middle school. I consider them elementary students and they are still taught in an elementary school fashion. Does that make sense? Sure. 5th graders are a Sugar sweet-spot :) -walter Gerald On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Gerald, I am curious about your choice to evaluate a middleschool as opposed to an elementary school. Sugar and the OLPC XO were designed for elementary-school-aged children. regards. -walter On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Ian, I am just starting, and will be collecting baseline data. And my principal and superintendent and the teachers are on board for the kind of disruption, which is great. More as it happens. Gerald On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Ian Thomson i...@spc.int wrote: Hi Gerald, Very interested in your project and research. Did you manage to gather any baseline data on the students as independent learners before the project started? Also interested to know if the school authorities and the teachers understood the disruptive nature of the project and their commitment to including the whole school if the results are positive. Ian Thomson RICS and OLPC Coordinator Noumea SPC Phone +687 26 01 44 From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Ardito Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:39 AM To: Edward Cherlin Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact I have set up a week site that has some preliminary research findings. You can visit it here: http://web.me.com/geraldar/The_Shape_of_Disruption/Welcome.html I would appreciate any questions or feedback. Gerald On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: This literature review is fantastic. I am a middle school science teacher in Northern Westchester County, NY, and am also a doctoral student at Pace University. My research project is investigating the impact of our 5th graders using the XOs (and Sugar of course) on their independence. We began this project last year, and I would be happy to share the results if anyone is interested. We on this list are interested, and there is constant demand from governments, NGOs, and other for data on OLPC deployments, ranging from costs to educational outcomes. Best, Gerald Ardito On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: see http://wiki.laptop.org/images/f/fb/Literature_Review_040309.pdf ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.
Philippe Clérié wrote: I don't quite understand this decision panel stuff. Is a different decision panel elected every time there is an undecided issue at hand? Or do we elect one group that remains in place for all unanswered questions, present and future? I sympathize since I'm also a bit confused. This is what I would call a policy decision. It's not an administrative or a technical problem that needs to be resolved. It's a choice between several, possibly equally valid ways of going forward. It's *policy* and that belongs to the board I would think. (Caution: I have not read the rules of engagement! :-)) The Decision Panel stuff is in Sugar Labs's Constitution, and the wording is fairly clear. The way I think of it, 1. The Oversight Board's task is to do all the routine administrative drudgery to keep Sugar Labs running, especially in regard to keeping our paperwork in order with the Software Freedom Conservancy. They should be elected for their diligence, not their insight. 2. In general, when decisions need to be made, they will be made on the mailing lists by rough consensus, running code, and sheer force of action. 3. When a question arises that causes the mailing list to deadlock in disagreement, and the issue must be resolved in a timely fashion, the Oversight Board may convene a Decision Panel. The Decision Panel must reach a conclusion on the issues in question, and write up a report on their decision. The purpose of the report is mostly to smooth the feathers of those who disagree, so that they can at least see that the decision, even if it was wrong, was at least made based on a process of careful reasoning with good intentions. 4. Everybody goes back to business, and because the Oversight Board was not responsible for the decision, those whose opinion was overruled do not have to feel that the project's management is somehow hostile to them. When people are threatening to fork the whole damn project, this is a good indication that it might be time for a Decision Panel. On the issue of who can say what SoaS is ... I think we can afford to flame a little more on the lists. --Ben Schwartz signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact
I really like that phrase, Sugar sweet-spot. I completely agree. Gerald On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Walter, It just happens that in my district the 5th graders are in the middle school. I consider them elementary students and they are still taught in an elementary school fashion. Does that make sense? Sure. 5th graders are a Sugar sweet-spot :) -walter Gerald On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Gerald, I am curious about your choice to evaluate a middleschool as opposed to an elementary school. Sugar and the OLPC XO were designed for elementary-school-aged children. regards. -walter On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: Ian, I am just starting, and will be collecting baseline data. And my principal and superintendent and the teachers are on board for the kind of disruption, which is great. More as it happens. Gerald On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Ian Thomson i...@spc.int wrote: Hi Gerald, Very interested in your project and research. Did you manage to gather any baseline data on the students as independent learners before the project started? Also interested to know if the school authorities and the teachers understood the disruptive nature of the project and their commitment to including the whole school if the results are positive. Ian Thomson RICS and OLPC Coordinator Noumea SPC Phone +687 26 01 44 From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Ardito Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:39 AM To: Edward Cherlin Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact I have set up a week site that has some preliminary research findings. You can visit it here: http://web.me.com/geraldar/The_Shape_of_Disruption/Welcome.html I would appreciate any questions or feedback. Gerald On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: This literature review is fantastic. I am a middle school science teacher in Northern Westchester County, NY, and am also a doctoral student at Pace University. My research project is investigating the impact of our 5th graders using the XOs (and Sugar of course) on their independence. We began this project last year, and I would be happy to share the results if anyone is interested. We on this list are interested, and there is constant demand from governments, NGOs, and other for data on OLPC deployments, ranging from costs to educational outcomes. Best, Gerald Ardito On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: see http://wiki.laptop.org/images/f/fb/Literature_Review_040309.pdf ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact
Gerald Ardito wrote: Walter, It just happens that in my district the 5th graders are in the middle school. I consider them elementary students and they are still taught in an elementary school fashion. Does that make sense? Gerald No, not at all. Shame on you! :-) It's so funny, this thing about Sugar and the XO being for elementary children, and then we go around serependitiously messing things up. In Bolivia Primary goes up to 8th grade... So it's OK to use them for 8th grade there and not elsewhere? In Uruguay they are trying to figure out how to make things happen as kids graduate Elementary as they go to Ciclo Básico Único for 7th grade, still carrying their laptops. Should they stop using them because it was not designed for them? And Richard Stallman tried (and gave up giving a peculiar excuse) to use the XO as his primary machine. I used mine for the first 2 days of the recent Book Sprint as my work laptop (later I really needed several documents open at the same time, so I had to borrow a screen to plug to my desktop, embarrassed look here) I am convinced that we are not done, by far, to find out how much we can get out of the XO, and keeping trying, while retaining some focus, is the way I suggest we follow. (personally, I think that kids younger than 4th grade are better off using the Teachermate instead, but then, that's me) Yama ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar evaluation and impact
Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: It's so funny, this thing about Sugar and the XO being for elementary children, and then we go around serependitiously messing things up. In Bolivia Primary goes up to 8th grade... So it's OK to use them for 8th grade there and not elsewhere? Around OLPC, we tended to say things like ages 6 to 16. I think that's pretty reasonable, although Sugar has done well for ages as low as 3, and is certainly also useful for adults for many purposes, though perhaps not all purposes. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Our_market#Child_is_a_nebulous_term.3B_what_is_the_exact_age_range_you_are_targeting.3F signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] XO Special interest group at Sugar Labs
Hi David, Very interested. Keep us posted please Ian Thomson RICS and OLPC Coordinator Noumea SPC Phone +687 26 01 44 -Original Message- From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of David Farning Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:50 AM To: iaep Subject: [IAEP] XO Special interest group at Sugar Labs In some of the other threads we have been seeing an interest in the Sugar Labs Community improving the Sugar experience on the XO. As such, I would like to create a XO SIG within Sugar Labs. I have filed an initial draft application with the OLPC Contributors program for 5 loaner machines for developers. My idea is to start by getting a working version of the current versions of Sugar and Fedora running on an XO. The SIG might lose some of the specific hardware benefits and mass deployment features on the first couple of iterations. But, it can work towards the larger deployments needs as the development, testing, and triaging processes improve. One piece that I would like to be very clear that the goal of the SIG is to be an community led upstream for OLPC. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] XO Special interest group at Sugar Labs
2009/9/21 David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org: My idea is to start by getting a working version of the current versions of Sugar and Fedora running on an XO. The SIG might lose some of the specific hardware benefits and mass deployment features on the first couple of iterations. But, it can work towards the larger deployments needs as the development, testing, and triaging processes improve. Thanks for the initiative. How do you plan to work with the existing efforts? e.g. SoaS ported and modified for XO, and F11-for-XO1 Daniel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Contents of IAEP Digest, Vol 18, Issue 78
Anyway, as a muggle or someone with little information (a.k.a. the public) I actually thought, could say was sure, eve, that Sugarlabs was pushing SOaS as their flagship product, maybe SugarLive was there around somewhere, or course (?!?!) Sugar for the XO, whose status seems so unclear... Being better informed that most I knew that SOaS ran on top of Fedora, like the XO Sugar did, so no surprises, but that's it AFAIK. I was glad people kept an eye on Ubuntu (my distro of choice), and there's been some enthusiasm around Xtra something going on last week in OLPCNews, and SD card based distro. For what its worth, I thought Sugarlabs were using Sugar on a Stick as an entry tool to introduce people to Sugar before deploying Fedora with Sugar as the operating system and GUI of choice for schools. I assume that Sugarlabs are still making this possible for XO hardware as well as other hardware that schools can get their hands on. So, a possible solution could be calling the product marketed by SLs Sugar on a Stick and each individual team and product Fedora Sugar on a Stick, OpenSUSE Sugar on a Stick, etc. From time to time SLs would decide to call and market as Sugar on a Stick a particular release of a particular flavor. This decision process should be very transparent and fair, of course. IMHO, It is confusing to non geeks when you everything has strange names that dont make sense to them. Can we say Sugar on a Stick to public (and that is always the SoaS that sugarlabs thinks is the safest for public consumption) with a flavour tacked for techie tracking? Incremental seems logical for those lucky enough to learn maths, so can I suggest we tag numbers on. E.g. Sugar on a Stick - Strawberry 1.01 could be code for the SoaS that is Fedora based and is release 1.01 and the next SoaS that is Fedora based be Strawberry 1.02. Ubuntu versions would be Vanilla 1.01 and OpenSUSE versions would be Lime 1.01 or something. That takes only one page on the sugarlabs wiki to check what you actually have and means end users just see minimal information = Sugar on a Stick. register SOaSFedora.org and such others sugaronastick.com IMHO, Also easier for end user if there are only a few sites to look at not many. We point everyone to laptop.org and sugarlabs.org - we can tell people that information here is most likely to be accurate. If it is spread over many sites they might miss finding accurate and current information. Redirects could be useful though. One page websites that give basics and then point to the correct sugarlabs page maybe? ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
