[IAEP] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry)
Hi all, as you may know, we're going to ship some selected e-books in the Journal of the Blueberry release. For providing high-quality e-books instead of simple texts (as well as fo technical simplicity), we're going to use e-books from epubBooks (www.epubbooks.com)! Right now, I've just included Alice in Wonderland (which comes with nice images in this edition), but I encourage everybody to go through the catalog on that website and to point out favorites. Thanks to Sayamindu for pointing to that site! :) --Sebastian ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] R: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry)
I dont know (yet, Ill check soon) about quality of ePub version, but (http://manybooks.net/) seems to have books from several different languages... Maybe one out of a selection of languages would make sense... ciao carlo --- Mar 17/11/09, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com ha scritto: Da: Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com Oggetto: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry) A: SoaS s...@lists.sugarlabs.org, iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Data: Martedì 17 novembre 2009, 15:36 Hi all, as you may know, we're going to ship some selected e-books in the Journal of the Blueberry release. For providing high-quality e-books instead of simple texts (as well as fo technical simplicity), we're going to use e-books from epubBooks (www.epubbooks.com)! Right now, I've just included Alice in Wonderland (which comes with nice images in this edition), but I encourage everybody to go through the catalog on that website and to point out favorites. Thanks to Sayamindu for pointing to that site! :) --Sebastian ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] R: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry)
Yes, actually, I was maybe a bit too quick with this. :) This e-mail was supposed to be about discussing good sample titles, not about announcing anything with regard to the book provider we were using. Anyway, thanks for the link! I'll look into it... Cheers, --Sebastian Carlo Falciola wrote: I dont know (yet, Ill check soon) about quality of ePub version, but (http://manybooks.net/) seems to have books from several different languages... Maybe one out of a selection of languages would make sense... ciao carlo --- Mar 17/11/09, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com ha scritto: Da: Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com Oggetto: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry) A: SoaSs...@lists.sugarlabs.org, iaepiaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Data: Martedì 17 novembre 2009, 15:36 Hi all, as you may know, we're going to ship some selected e-books in the Journal of the Blueberry release. For providing high-quality e-books instead of simple texts (as well as fo technical simplicity), we're going to use e-books from epubBooks (www.epubbooks.com)! Right now, I've just included Alice in Wonderland (which comes with nice images in this edition), but I encourage everybody to go through the catalog on that website and to point out favorites. Thanks to Sayamindu for pointing to that site! :) --Sebastian ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] R: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry)
Yes, very important to show Sugar supporting local languages cultures. I think the best way forward is for all of us to find 1-2 EPUB eBooks in languages other than English; manageable number of books to preload Journal with. At launch time we can have a wiki page explaining how to find and load an eBook. Sebastian, will this pose difficulties? If so how can we help? thanks Sean On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Carlo Falciola cfalci...@yahoo.it wrote: I dont know (yet, Ill check soon) about quality of ePub version, but (http://manybooks.net/) seems to have books from several different languages... Maybe one out of a selection of languages would make sense... ciao carlo --- Mar 17/11/09, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com ha scritto: Da: Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com Oggetto: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry) A: SoaS s...@lists.sugarlabs.org, iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Data: Martedì 17 novembre 2009, 15:36 Hi all, as you may know, we're going to ship some selected e-books in the Journal of the Blueberry release. For providing high-quality e-books instead of simple texts (as well as fo technical simplicity), we're going to use e-books from epubBooks (www.epubbooks.com)! Right now, I've just included Alice in Wonderland (which comes with nice images in this edition), but I encourage everybody to go through the catalog on that website and to point out favorites. Thanks to Sayamindu for pointing to that site! :) --Sebastian ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] R: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry)
Sebastian, really have absolutely no issue regarding the provider. Once I realized that in that site there weren't non EN titles you I just made a quick Google-search for multilingual ebooks sites. My point is limitated to suggesting to evaluate the opportunity to put a little sample in more that one language. ciao carlo --- Mar 17/11/09, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com ha scritto: Da: Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com Oggetto: Re: R: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry) A: Carlo Falciola cfalci...@yahoo.it Cc: iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Data: Martedì 17 novembre 2009, 16:22 Yes, actually, I was maybe a bit too quick with this. :) This e-mail was supposed to be about discussing good sample titles, not about announcing anything with regard to the book provider we were using. Anyway, thanks for the link! I'll look into it... Cheers, --Sebastian Carlo Falciola wrote: I dont know (yet, Ill check soon) about quality of ePub version, but (http://manybooks.net/) seems to have books from several different languages... Maybe one out of a selection of languages would make sense... ciao carlo --- Mar 17/11/09, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com ha scritto: Da: Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com Oggetto: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry) A: SoaSs...@lists.sugarlabs.org, iaepiaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Data: Martedì 17 novembre 2009, 15:36 Hi all, as you may know, we're going to ship some selected e-books in the Journal of the Blueberry release. For providing high-quality e-books instead of simple texts (as well as fo technical simplicity), we're going to use e-books from epubBooks (www.epubbooks.com)! Right now, I've just included Alice in Wonderland (which comes with nice images in this edition), but I encourage everybody to go through the catalog on that website and to point out favorites. Thanks to Sayamindu for pointing to that site! :) --Sebastian ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] R: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry)
sorry to keep the off-topic on topic, :-), but in my experience the possibility to access stuff in English is one of the biggest calls for Sugar use, especially maybe in non-English places. On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Carlo Falciola cfalci...@yahoo.it wrote: Sebastian, really have absolutely no issue regarding the provider. Once I realized that in that site there weren't non EN titles you I just made a quick Google-search for multilingual ebooks sites. My point is limitated to suggesting to evaluate the opportunity to put a little sample in more that one language. ciao carlo --- Mar 17/11/09, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com ha scritto: Da: Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com Oggetto: Re: R: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry) A: Carlo Falciola cfalci...@yahoo.it Cc: iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Data: Martedì 17 novembre 2009, 16:22 Yes, actually, I was maybe a bit too quick with this. :) This e-mail was supposed to be about discussing good sample titles, not about announcing anything with regard to the book provider we were using. Anyway, thanks for the link! I'll look into it... Cheers, --Sebastian Carlo Falciola wrote: I dont know (yet, Ill check soon) about quality of ePub version, but (http://manybooks.net/) seems to have books from several different languages... Maybe one out of a selection of languages would make sense... ciao carlo --- Mar 17/11/09, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com ha scritto: Da: Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com Oggetto: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry) A: SoaSs...@lists.sugarlabs.org, iaepiaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Data: Martedì 17 novembre 2009, 15:36 Hi all, as you may know, we're going to ship some selected e-books in the Journal of the Blueberry release. For providing high-quality e-books instead of simple texts (as well as fo technical simplicity), we're going to use e-books from epubBooks (www.epubbooks.com)! Right now, I've just included Alice in Wonderland (which comes with nice images in this edition), but I encourage everybody to go through the catalog on that website and to point out favorites. Thanks to Sayamindu for pointing to that site! :) --Sebastian ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] R: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry)
It's an excellent point; after all, Mingoville http://www.mingoville.com/ based in Denmark I believe claims over 1 million users, 100+ activities for children to practice English. But there's another facet: dominant languages such as English, Spanish, French, put pressure on minority languages. Sugar has a role to play supporting many languages, not just in the interface, but in content. There have been suggestions in the past that we position Sugar as a great way to learn English, and indeed it can be (especially in a connected environment), but I feel English should not be privileged over local languages. My concern is the timing... Sebastian is under pressure for a December 8th launch and will need help collating books. The Blueberry launch is also threatened by sugaronastick.com, which as long as it is up will create confusion. Sean On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Yama Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com wrote: sorry to keep the off-topic on topic, :-), but in my experience the possibility to access stuff in English is one of the biggest calls for Sugar use, especially maybe in non-English places. On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Carlo Falciola cfalci...@yahoo.it wrote: Sebastian, really have absolutely no issue regarding the provider. Once I realized that in that site there weren't non EN titles you I just made a quick Google-search for multilingual ebooks sites. My point is limitated to suggesting to evaluate the opportunity to put a little sample in more that one language. ciao carlo --- Mar 17/11/09, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com ha scritto: Da: Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com Oggetto: Re: R: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry) A: Carlo Falciola cfalci...@yahoo.it Cc: iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Data: Martedì 17 novembre 2009, 16:22 Yes, actually, I was maybe a bit too quick with this. :) This e-mail was supposed to be about discussing good sample titles, not about announcing anything with regard to the book provider we were using. Anyway, thanks for the link! I'll look into it... Cheers, --Sebastian Carlo Falciola wrote: I dont know (yet, Ill check soon) about quality of ePub version, but (http://manybooks.net/) seems to have books from several different languages... Maybe one out of a selection of languages would make sense... ciao carlo --- Mar 17/11/09, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com ha scritto: Da: Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com Oggetto: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry) A: SoaSs...@lists.sugarlabs.org, iaepiaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Data: Martedì 17 novembre 2009, 15:36 Hi all, as you may know, we're going to ship some selected e-books in the Journal of the Blueberry release. For providing high-quality e-books instead of simple texts (as well as fo technical simplicity), we're going to use e-books from epubBooks (www.epubbooks.com)! Right now, I've just included Alice in Wonderland (which comes with nice images in this edition), but I encourage everybody to go through the catalog on that website and to point out favorites. Thanks to Sayamindu for pointing to that site! :) --Sebastian ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] R: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry)
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: It's an excellent point; after all, Mingoville http://www.mingoville.com/ based in Denmark I believe claims over 1 million users, 100+ activities for children to practice English. But there's another facet: dominant languages such as English, Spanish, French, put pressure on minority languages. Sugar has a role to play supporting many languages, not just in the interface, but in content. There have been suggestions in the past that we position Sugar as a great way to learn English, and indeed it can be (especially in a connected environment), but I feel English should not be privileged over local languages. FWIW, I have a Bengali ebook with nonsense rhymes in Bengali as a EPUB (I had hacked it together to demonstrate that Read can handle fonts embedded in EPUB files - but the fonts need to be installed in the system to render the Table of Content properly). If you want, I can polish it up and put it up somewhere by the end of this week for inclusion in Blueberry. I used Sigil[1], a Free/Open Source tool to create the EPUB file. Thanks, Sayamindu [1] http://code.google.com/p/sigil/ -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] R: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry)
I made a (very) little survey: - the Alice in wonderland (with Illustrations) is 1.7 MB in size - other epub books I found, probably text only, lies in between 100 to 300 K - Sdenka_Salas_-_The_XO_Laptop_in_the_Classroom.pdf is 5.6 MB - I added a spreadsheet made out of pootle latest statistics of today Question 1: what could be a reasonable size to add to journal = 50 MB? Question 2: one book for a selection of languages (10) and few more in english? Does make sense? ciao carlo --- Mar 17/11/09, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com ha scritto: Da: Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com Oggetto: Re: [IAEP] R: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry) A: Yama Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com, Carlo Falciola cfalci...@yahoo.it, iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, Sugar-Labs Mailing lists s...@lists.sugarlabs.org Data: Martedì 17 novembre 2009, 17:48 It's an excellent point; after all, Mingoville http://www.mingoville.com/ based in Denmark I believe claims over 1 million users, 100+ activities for children to practice English. But there's another facet: dominant languages such as English, Spanish, French, put pressure on minority languages. Sugar has a role to play supporting many languages, not just in the interface, but in content. There have been suggestions in the past that we position Sugar as a great way to learn English, and indeed it can be (especially in a connected environment), but I feel English should not be privileged over local languages. My concern is the timing... Sebastian is under pressure for a December 8th launch and will need help collating books. The Blueberry launch is also threatened by sugaronastick.com, which as long as it is up will create confusion. Sean On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Yama Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com wrote: sorry to keep the off-topic on topic, :-), but in my experience the possibility to access stuff in English is one of the biggest calls for Sugar use, especially maybe in non-English places. On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Carlo Falciola cfalci...@yahoo.it wrote: Sebastian, really have absolutely no issue regarding the provider. Once I realized that in that site there weren't non EN titles you I just made a quick Google-search for multilingual ebooks sites. My point is limitated to suggesting to evaluate the opportunity to put a little sample in more that one language. ciao carlo --- Mar 17/11/09, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com ha scritto: Da: Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com Oggetto: Re: R: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry) A: Carlo Falciola cfalci...@yahoo.it Cc: iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Data: Martedì 17 novembre 2009, 16:22 Yes, actually, I was maybe a bit too quick with this. :) This e-mail was supposed to be about discussing good sample titles, not about announcing anything with regard to the book provider we were using. Anyway, thanks for the link! I'll look into it... Cheers, --Sebastian Carlo Falciola wrote: I dont know (yet, Ill check soon) about quality of ePub version, but (http://manybooks.net/) seems to have books from several different languages... Maybe one out of a selection of languages would make sense... ciao carlo --- Mar 17/11/09, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com ha scritto: Da: Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com Oggetto: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry) A: SoaSs...@lists.sugarlabs.org, iaepiaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Data: Martedì 17 novembre 2009, 15:36 Hi all, as you may know, we're going to ship some selected e-books in the Journal of the Blueberry release. For providing high-quality e-books instead of simple texts (as well as fo technical simplicity), we're going to use e-books from epubBooks (www.epubbooks.com)! Right now, I've just included Alice in Wonderland (which comes with nice images in this edition), but I encourage everybody to go through the catalog on that website and to point out favorites. Thanks to Sayamindu for pointing to that site! :) --Sebastian ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep SugarPootle_11_17_2009.ods Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop
Re: [IAEP] R: [SoaS] E-Books for Sugar on a Stick (Blueberry)
Hi Another consideration is the reading age of the books. This tip I found useful: You can use the grammar checker of MS Word to find the Flesch-Kincaid reading age of a text by just pasting a few paragraphs of the text into Word. Tony I made a (very) little survey: - the Alice in wonderland (with Illustrations) is 1.7 MB in size - other epub books I found, probably text only, lies in between 100 to 300 K - Sdenka_Salas_-_The_XO_Laptop_in_the_Classroom.pdf is 5.6 MB - I added a spreadsheet made out of pootle latest statistics of today Question 1: what could be a reasonable size to add to journal = 50 MB? Question 2: one book for a selection of languages (10) and few more in english? Does make sense? ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Further sources of public domain books for children
Here is a quick list of epub libraries targeted at children / youth. http://www.snee.com/epubkidsbooks/ http://www.feedbooks.com/type/Young%20Readers/books/top @timClicks ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] A Couple of Comments/Questions
Hi All, Just reading through all your interesting posts from the past couple of days. I have a couple of ideas to share... Re: From Walter... 5. The Spanish-language version of Sdenka Z. Salas Pilco's guide to using Sugar in the classroom is available on the wiki (Please see [http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:La_Laptop_XO_en_el_Aula.pdf]). This is a wonderful resource. Is it available for localizing into other languages? Are there any special permissions we would need to get? From Sean... At launch time we can have a wiki page explaining how to find and load an eBook. Could we also add it to the Help Activity included with Sugar and the online FLOSS Manual? Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] A Couple of Comments/Questions
2009/11/18 Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com Hi All, Just reading through all your interesting posts from the past couple of days. I have a couple of ideas to share... Re: From Walter... 5. The Spanish-language version of Sdenka Z. Salas Pilco's guide to using Sugar in the classroom is available on the wiki (Please see [http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:La_Laptop_XO_en_el_Aula.pdf])http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:La_Laptop_XO_en_el_Aula.pdf%5D) . This is a wonderful resource. Is it available for localizing into other languages? Are there any special permissions we would need to get? From Sean... At launch time we can have a wiki page explaining how to find and load an eBook. Could we also add it to the Help Activity included with Sugar and the online FLOSS Manual? I'm a FLOSS manuals contributor. If someone with the know-how adds it to the wiki, I'll port it to the FLOSS Manuals site :) @timClicks ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
