Re: [IAEP] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting
I'm sorry Sebastian, yes I should have been more clear about which Sebastian :-) At the time, Sugar was perceived as being only available on OLPC XOs, so our effort was designed to show that it was available for other platforms. Indeed, our claim has always been that it was hardware-agnostic (on Mac using virtualization), cf. our press releases (sl.o/press). And, SoaS as a marketing concept was meant to be distro-agnostic too (SuSE...), a position fought tooth and nail by the Fedorans by the way. Pre-tablets, when small netbooks sales were exploding, Windows was dominant on PCs but ran poorly or not at all on netbooks and moreover there was an installation barrier for Windows on GNU/Linux netbooks. We were interested in reaching the 92% or so of teachers using Windows and widening Sugar availability on machines with pre-installed GNU/Linux (all 2% or so of them). Microsoft and Intel worked quickly to block GNU/Linux netbooks by pressuring OEMs to build faster machines, then tablets arrived and killed off netbooks. It's unfortunate that Sugar was not fully embraced by the GNU/Linux distros who missed a great opportunity in the education market where Microsoft had and has weaknesses, but that has been a symptom of free software projects struggling with strategic initiatives while concentrating on technical aspects. Dismal marketing has contributed to dismal desktop market share (Microsoft's well-documented maneuvers played a role too of course). Installation: As Peter has mentioned, SoaS can be used for installation on a target PC, this is documented in the wiki. Concerning translations, language selection was available in at least several versions of SoaS, I remember switching French and US locale and keyboard demoing SoaS at an Educatec-Educatice convention in Paris. I have no doubt that solutions are possible, but do remember that Peter has been continuing SoaS work singlehandedly for some time now. Looking forward, I see a dual challenge for Sugar Labs: supporting the XO installed base (including hopefully keeping XO-4 availability alive), and transitioning to the wild new world of handheld devices. Sean On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.orgwrote: El 06/11/13 17:35, Sean DALY escribió: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.comwrote: But you have for a long time refused to actually even market SoaS! That's right, at the time SoaS became an official Fedora spin, Mel and Sebastian decided to take over marketing, which included coming up with unmarketable names, linking with Fedora announcements, and opening a Fedora hosted minisite (the home of SoaS), none of which was done with any consultation of the SL marketing team. Please try to include last names, you mean Sebastian Dzallas, original developer of Sugar On A Stick. Now that we're on the topic... the concept Sugar On A Stick has several problems. 1.- It suggests it's the only possible Sugar OS on a USB. 2.- It suggests it's not a serious OS to be installed on a computer. 3.- It's impossible to translate. 4.- It suggests it's not regular GNU/Linux, with availability of the Myriad other GNU/Linux educational tools. Regards, Sebastian Silva R+D SomosAzúcar Sugar Labs Perú @icarito ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Sur] Sugar oversight board meeting
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry Sebastian, yes I should have been more clear about which Sebastian :-) At the time, Sugar was perceived as being only available on OLPC XOs, so our effort was designed to show that it was available for other platforms. Indeed, our claim has always been that it was hardware-agnostic (on Mac using virtualization), cf. our press releases (sl.o/press). And, SoaS as a marketing concept was meant to be distro-agnostic too (SuSE...), a position fought tooth and nail by the Fedorans by the way. Pre-tablets, when small netbooks sales were exploding, Windows was dominant on PCs but ran poorly or not at all on netbooks and moreover there was an installation barrier for Windows on GNU/Linux netbooks. We were interested in reaching the 92% or so of teachers using Windows and widening Sugar availability on machines with pre-installed GNU/Linux (all 2% or so of them). Microsoft and Intel worked quickly to block GNU/Linux netbooks by pressuring OEMs to build faster machines, then tablets arrived and killed off netbooks. It's unfortunate that Sugar was not fully embraced by the GNU/Linux distros who missed a great opportunity in the education market where Microsoft had and has weaknesses, but that has been a symptom of free software projects struggling with strategic initiatives while concentrating on technical aspects. How does Sugar on Ubuntu (DXU) and Sugar on Tablets (DX experimental) affect this equation for Sugar Labs? Dismal marketing has contributed to dismal desktop market share (Microsoft's well-documented maneuvers played a role too of course). Installation: As Peter has mentioned, SoaS can be used for installation on a target PC, this is documented in the wiki. Concerning translations, language selection was available in at least several versions of SoaS, I remember switching French and US locale and keyboard demoing SoaS at an Educatec-Educatice convention in Paris. I have no doubt that solutions are possible, but do remember that Peter has been continuing SoaS work singlehandedly for some time now. Looking forward, I see a dual challenge for Sugar Labs: supporting the XO installed base (including hopefully keeping XO-4 availability alive), and transitioning to the wild new world of handheld devices. Sean On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: El 06/11/13 17:35, Sean DALY escribió: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: But you have for a long time refused to actually even market SoaS! That's right, at the time SoaS became an official Fedora spin, Mel and Sebastian decided to take over marketing, which included coming up with unmarketable names, linking with Fedora announcements, and opening a Fedora hosted minisite (the home of SoaS), none of which was done with any consultation of the SL marketing team. Please try to include last names, you mean Sebastian Dzallas, original developer of Sugar On A Stick. Now that we're on the topic... the concept Sugar On A Stick has several problems. 1.- It suggests it's the only possible Sugar OS on a USB. 2.- It suggests it's not a serious OS to be installed on a computer. 3.- It's impossible to translate. 4.- It suggests it's not regular GNU/Linux, with availability of the Myriad other GNU/Linux educational tools. Regards, Sebastian Silva R+D SomosAzúcar Sugar Labs Perú @icarito ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- David Farning Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Localization] Translation Manual (in Spanish)
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:12 AM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@somosazucar.org wrote: El 29/10/13 08:18, Chris Leonard escribió: Nothing would make me happier than to take myself out of the account creation loop, but on observing the number of dummy accounts being created (and activated) each day, I reluctantly took the step fo turning off self-serve registration to protect the integrity of the precious L10n work. Hi, I'm glad to report that you can be happy now. That is awesome, thanks. Alsroot gave me access today to current pootle and I managed to activate the built-in captcha for registration. I created three users, but I'm not sure how to remove them: test, test-captcha and test-captcha-again. No worries, I can delete the test users via the Admin UI. It will be a good idea to keep an eye on new users as maybe spammers can defeat some kinds of captchas. Hopefully not. Will do. About the diagram shared by Laura, is it a good first step for a completely new language that requires it, to translate the glibc_helper.po file first and submit it to localization@ , or do you have another suggestion for a first step? Getting the lang set up in Pootle (nplurals, plural equation, correct ISO-639 code) is the first step. I would add glibc-hlper.po to a lang that needs it and it makes a fine second step. cjl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] Tech roadmap
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:08 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: I agree :) Right now, we are sitting back and seeing what roll OLPC-Australia is going to play in the ecosystem. The One Education distribution out of Australia is a combination of Dextrose, Sugar .100 and some custom patches. My semi-informed guess is that Walter and Rangan ( https://www.laptop.org.au/about ) are going to position One Education as the successor to OLPC-OS. I hope that we will learn more at about their plans at basecamp. ( http://olpcbasecamp.blogspot.com/ ) This would take care or the leading edge on Fedora. No need to guess. We have put together a combination of Sugar 100 and Fedora 18 and added some patches that we hope will land in Sugar 102 (See [1]). We've made these bits available for testing [2] and are planning extensive testing in some classrooms in Australia this month. We have confidence that this is the most stable build to date. We welcome others to test and have already received feedback and bug reports from numerous sources. As far as positioning ourselves as the successor to OLPC-OS, I don't understand what you mean. Since we are a small team., we have no choice but to make the correct choice to work upstream and as broadly as possible. And of course, anyone is welcome to leverage our efforts. On the Ubuntu side we have a bit of a challenge balancing bleeding edge and stability. Sugar and Fedora tend to run a bit ahead of Debian and Ubuntu in library versions. It take a significant amount of effort to backport the necessary libraries to Ubuntu LTS. For this release we agreed that the proper balance of innovation and stability was Sugar .98 on Ubuntu 12.04. The next decision point will be which version of Sugar to use for the 14.04 release due in the second quarter of 2014. Not sure why Sugar 0.98 is considered more stable than Sugar 100. Some specifics would be helpful in our efforts to make Sugar 102 more stable still. Regarding the efforts support Sugar on Ubuntu, Jerry had suggested in an earlier post that there were some places where Sugar had hard-coded assumptions about both Fedora and OLPC hardware. It would be helpful to upstream (and presumably to AC) if those changes were flagged so we could fix upstream. Presumably it would save everyone headaches (on all distros and hardware). On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Cool stuff. As for Fedora it would be great to have builds with the latest sugar (stable and unstable) releases. I'm not saying to ship those to deployments of course, but they would help upstream development, marketing and testing... And they would help AC to make the transition to the next sugar release smoother. On 7 November 2013 02:05, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: Please see the link at the bottom left of http://dextrose.ac/platform/ for the Sugar on Ubuntu images which Activity Central and Plan Ceibal are jointly developing. For stability it is based on Ubuntu 12.04 and Sugar .98. The testing is done on classmate to meet Plan Ceibal's specifications. I should work equally well on any machine that boots Ubuntu. It is currently is small scale testing by a couple hundred teachers. When the image meets Ceibal's quality standards the pilot will scale to approximately 10,000 units for wider testing. For more information, I have CC Anish Mangal, the project owner (agile speak) and Ruben Rodriguez the lead developer. Ruben has the strongest back ground on the technical issues involved in the port. Anish has the deepest understanding of timelines and objectives. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 November 2013 16:20, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org wrote: Classmates are basically just x86 netbooks, I've not tried it as I don't have HW but I don't see any reason they shouldn't work OOTB. Yep. Sugar is running in classmates out of the box. In Uruguay for example. You mean people are using them in Uruguay deployments? Which distro? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- David Farning Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com -- Daniel Narvaez -- David Farning Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing regards -walter [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Feature_List [2] http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/AU1B/ -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] New AU images to test
I have uploaded new testing images done for the AU deployment. [1] Now, images for all the xo models are available. These have the new sugar 0.100 rpms and the additions for AU we already commented. We are proposing include them as Features for 0.102. [2] As always, testing is welcomed. Please report any issue you find. Gonzalo [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Testing#Testing_images [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Feature_List ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] New AU images to test
Gonzalo, What languages do these images contain? cjl On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: I have uploaded new testing images done for the AU deployment. [1] Now, images for all the xo models are available. These have the new sugar 0.100 rpms and the additions for AU we already commented. We are proposing include them as Features for 0.102. [2] As always, testing is welcomed. Please report any issue you find. Gonzalo [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Testing#Testing_images [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Feature_List ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] New AU images to test
The same languages included by default in 13.2.0 en_US,en_AU,es,ar,pt,pt_BR,fr,ht,mn,mr_IN,am_ET,km_KH,ne_NP,ur_PK,rw,ps,fa_AF,si,zh_CN,de,hy Any suggestion? Gonzalo On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: Gonzalo, What languages do these images contain? cjl On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: I have uploaded new testing images done for the AU deployment. [1] Now, images for all the xo models are available. These have the new sugar 0.100 rpms and the additions for AU we already commented. We are proposing include them as Features for 0.102. [2] As always, testing is welcomed. Please report any issue you find. Gonzalo [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Testing#Testing_images [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Feature_List ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] New AU images to test
The Aussies might like Maori included (lang mi), but ask them. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: The same languages included by default in 13.2.0 en_US,en_AU,es,ar,pt,pt_BR,fr,ht,mn,mr_IN,am_ET,km_KH,ne_NP,ur_PK,rw,ps,fa_AF,si,zh_CN,de,hy Any suggestion? Gonzalo On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: Gonzalo, What languages do these images contain? cjl On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: I have uploaded new testing images done for the AU deployment. [1] Now, images for all the xo models are available. These have the new sugar 0.100 rpms and the additions for AU we already commented. We are proposing include them as Features for 0.102. [2] As always, testing is welcomed. Please report any issue you find. Gonzalo [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Testing#Testing_images [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Feature_List ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] New AU images to test
Thanks, good point Gonzalo On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: The Aussies might like Maori included (lang mi), but ask them. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: The same languages included by default in 13.2.0 en_US,en_AU,es,ar,pt,pt_BR,fr,ht,mn,mr_IN,am_ET,km_KH,ne_NP,ur_PK,rw,ps,fa_AF,si,zh_CN,de,hy Any suggestion? Gonzalo On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: Gonzalo, What languages do these images contain? cjl On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: I have uploaded new testing images done for the AU deployment. [1] Now, images for all the xo models are available. These have the new sugar 0.100 rpms and the additions for AU we already commented. We are proposing include them as Features for 0.102. [2] As always, testing is welcomed. Please report any issue you find. Gonzalo [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Testing#Testing_images [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Feature_List ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap
Re library versions, that reminds of a point I should have put in my list... I think now that the gobject introspection migration is over upstream can become more conservative about library versions. That should help both distributors and developers. We are already going in that direction really. If we add Webkit1 compatibility as discussed, I think 0.102 might have pretty much the same dependencies of 0.98. The only exception is libxkb if I remember correctly, for which introspection was really broken. On Thursday, 7 November 2013, David Farning wrote: I agree :) Right now, we are sitting back and seeing what roll OLPC-Australia is going to play in the ecosystem. The One Education distribution out of Australia is a combination of Dextrose, Sugar .100 and some custom patches. My semi-informed guess is that Walter and Rangan ( https://www.laptop.org.au/about ) are going to position One Education as the successor to OLPC-OS. I hope that we will learn more at about their plans at basecamp. ( http://olpcbasecamp.blogspot.com/ ) This would take care or the leading edge on Fedora. On the Ubuntu side we have a bit of a challenge balancing bleeding edge and stability. Sugar and Fedora tend to run a bit ahead of Debian and Ubuntu in library versions. It take a significant amount of effort to backport the necessary libraries to Ubuntu LTS. For this release we agreed that the proper balance of innovation and stability was Sugar .98 on Ubuntu 12.04. The next decision point will be which version of Sugar to use for the 14.04 release due in the second quarter of 2014. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Cool stuff. As for Fedora it would be great to have builds with the latest sugar (stable and unstable) releases. I'm not saying to ship those to deployments of course, but they would help upstream development, marketing and testing... And they would help AC to make the transition to the next sugar release smoother. On 7 November 2013 02:05, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.comjavascript:; wrote: Please see the link at the bottom left of http://dextrose.ac/platform/ for the Sugar on Ubuntu images which Activity Central and Plan Ceibal are jointly developing. For stability it is based on Ubuntu 12.04 and Sugar .98. The testing is done on classmate to meet Plan Ceibal's specifications. I should work equally well on any machine that boots Ubuntu. It is currently is small scale testing by a couple hundred teachers. When the image meets Ceibal's quality standards the pilot will scale to approximately 10,000 units for wider testing. For more information, I have CC Anish Mangal, the project owner (agile speak) and Ruben Rodriguez the lead developer. Ruben has the strongest back ground on the technical issues involved in the port. Anish has the deepest understanding of timelines and objectives. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: On 6 November 2013 16:20, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.orgjavascript:; wrote: Classmates are basically just x86 netbooks, I've not tried it as I don't have HW but I don't see any reason they shouldn't work OOTB. Yep. Sugar is running in classmates out of the box. In Uruguay for example. You mean people are using them in Uruguay deployments? Which distro? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org javascript:; http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- David Farning Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com -- Daniel Narvaez -- David Farning Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com -- Daniel Narvaez ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Re library versions, that reminds of a point I should have put in my list... I think now that the gobject introspection migration is over upstream can become more conservative about library versions. That should help both distributors and developers. We are already going in that direction really. If we add Webkit1 compatibility as discussed, I think 0.102 might have pretty much the same dependencies of 0.98. The only exception is libxkb if I remember correctly, for which introspection was really broken. In addition to dependencies there can be issues with versions of dependencies. Within the next couple of week we should see these fixes flow upstream. So we can start talking about concrete issues and examples rather than abstract notions. I think that will help clarify the discussion. AC's challenge was to quietly get a proof of concept in place which adds value to deployments before suggesting making changes to upstream. Now, AC has to clean up and abstract the proof of concept work to prepare it for acceptance upstream. On Thursday, 7 November 2013, David Farning wrote: I agree :) Right now, we are sitting back and seeing what roll OLPC-Australia is going to play in the ecosystem. The One Education distribution out of Australia is a combination of Dextrose, Sugar .100 and some custom patches. My semi-informed guess is that Walter and Rangan ( https://www.laptop.org.au/about ) are going to position One Education as the successor to OLPC-OS. I hope that we will learn more at about their plans at basecamp. ( http://olpcbasecamp.blogspot.com/ ) This would take care or the leading edge on Fedora. On the Ubuntu side we have a bit of a challenge balancing bleeding edge and stability. Sugar and Fedora tend to run a bit ahead of Debian and Ubuntu in library versions. It take a significant amount of effort to backport the necessary libraries to Ubuntu LTS. For this release we agreed that the proper balance of innovation and stability was Sugar .98 on Ubuntu 12.04. The next decision point will be which version of Sugar to use for the 14.04 release due in the second quarter of 2014. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Cool stuff. As for Fedora it would be great to have builds with the latest sugar (stable and unstable) releases. I'm not saying to ship those to deployments of course, but they would help upstream development, marketing and testing... And they would help AC to make the transition to the next sugar release smoother. On 7 November 2013 02:05, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: Please see the link at the bottom left of http://dextrose.ac/platform/ for the Sugar on Ubuntu images which Activity Central and Plan Ceibal are jointly developing. For stability it is based on Ubuntu 12.04 and Sugar .98. The testing is done on classmate to meet Plan Ceibal's specifications. I should work equally well on any machine that boots Ubuntu. It is currently is small scale testing by a couple hundred teachers. When the image meets Ceibal's quality standards the pilot will scale to approximately 10,000 units for wider testing. For more information, I have CC Anish Mangal, the project owner (agile speak) and Ruben Rodriguez the lead developer. Ruben has the strongest back ground on the technical issues involved in the port. Anish has the deepest understanding of timelines and objectives. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 November 2013 16:20, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org wrote: Classmates are basically just x86 netbooks, I've not tried it as I don't have HW but I don't see any reason they shouldn't work OOTB. Yep. Sugar is running in classmates out of the box. In Uruguay for example. You mean people are using them in Uruguay deployments? Which distro? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- David Farning Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com -- Daniel Narvaez -- David Farning Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com -- Daniel Narvaez -- David Farning Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Tech roadmap
Yes with dependencies I also meant the version of them (for API incompatible versions at least). I'm all for getting concrete :) On Thursday, 7 November 2013, David Farning wrote: On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Re library versions, that reminds of a point I should have put in my list... I think now that the gobject introspection migration is over upstream can become more conservative about library versions. That should help both distributors and developers. We are already going in that direction really. If we add Webkit1 compatibility as discussed, I think 0.102 might have pretty much the same dependencies of 0.98. The only exception is libxkb if I remember correctly, for which introspection was really broken. In addition to dependencies there can be issues with versions of dependencies. Within the next couple of week we should see these fixes flow upstream. So we can start talking about concrete issues and examples rather than abstract notions. I think that will help clarify the discussion. AC's challenge was to quietly get a proof of concept in place which adds value to deployments before suggesting making changes to upstream. Now, AC has to clean up and abstract the proof of concept work to prepare it for acceptance upstream. On Thursday, 7 November 2013, David Farning wrote: I agree :) Right now, we are sitting back and seeing what roll OLPC-Australia is going to play in the ecosystem. The One Education distribution out of Australia is a combination of Dextrose, Sugar .100 and some custom patches. My semi-informed guess is that Walter and Rangan ( https://www.laptop.org.au/about ) are going to position One Education as the successor to OLPC-OS. I hope that we will learn more at about their plans at basecamp. ( http://olpcbasecamp.blogspot.com/ ) This would take care or the leading edge on Fedora. On the Ubuntu side we have a bit of a challenge balancing bleeding edge and stability. Sugar and Fedora tend to run a bit ahead of Debian and Ubuntu in library versions. It take a significant amount of effort to backport the necessary libraries to Ubuntu LTS. For this release we agreed that the proper balance of innovation and stability was Sugar .98 on Ubuntu 12.04. The next decision point will be which version of Sugar to use for the 14.04 release due in the second quarter of 2014. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Cool stuff. As for Fedora it would be great to have builds with the latest sugar (stable and unstable) releases. I'm not saying to ship those to deployments of course, but they would help upstream development, marketing and testing... And they would help AC to make the transition to the next sugar release smoother. On 7 November 2013 02:05, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: Please see the link at the bottom left of http://dextrose.ac/platform/ for the Sugar on Ubuntu images which Activity Central and Plan Ceibal are jointly developing. For stability it is based on Ubuntu 12.04 and Sugar .98. The testing is done on classmate to meet Plan Ceibal's specifications. I should work equally well on any machine that boots Ubuntu. It is currently is small scale testing by a couple hundred teachers. When the image meets Ceibal's quality standards the pilot will scale to approximately 10,000 units for wider testing. For more information, I have CC Anish Mangal, the project owner (agile speak) and Ruben Rodriguez the lead developer. Ruben has the strongest back ground on the technical issues involved in the port. Anish has the deepest understanding of timelines and objectives. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 November 2013 16:20, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org wrote: Classmates are basically just x86 netbooks, I've not tried it as I don't have HW but I don't see any reason they shouldn't work OOTB. Yep. Sugar is running in classmates out of the box. In Uruguay for example. You mean people are using them in Uruguay deployments? Which distro? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Daniel Narvaez ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
