Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Google for Nonprofits Affiliation Request Sent

[Dave Crossland]

On 22 June 2016 at 12:21, Adam Holt  wrote:
> Is there strong consensus which people (multiple people, not a single
> person) should manage this and all associated passwords + responsibilities?
> With this "process/procedure/ownership" fully documented in a very public
> place, so SL doesn't end up with lost passwords and orphaned/locked
> accounts, as has happened frequently to date?
>
> (Can Sean Daly and/or others agree to supervise marketing/branding aspects,
> providing the delicate balance asked for by those who are quite
> uncomfortable with SL getting involved with advertising?)

I updated https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team with initial
process/procedure/ownership details.

I suggest all members contribute to the effort to flesh out the details :)
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[IAEP] Trinom.io / education

[Laura Vargas]

Hi Gonzalo,

Just read the description of the company Trinomio, and I really don't
understand why there is the following statement under the Education section:

"Hemos participado activamente en el desarrollo del entorno educativo
Sugar, y en más de 40 aplicaciones educativas útiles para la lecto
escritura, matemáticas, aprendizaje de ciencias, etc."

Google translation: "We have actively participated in the development of
the educational environment Sugar, and more than 40 educational
applications useful for reading and writing, math, science learning, etc."

http://www.trinom.io/educacion/

I might be wrong but Sugar is a trademark and unless this Company can prove
that it has actually "participated in the development of the educational
environment Sugar" they should remove such statement from their website.

If it is your personal experience that needs to be underlined maybe the
statement should read something like "one of our team members have actively
participated in the development of the educational environment Sugar, and
more than 40 educational applications useful for...".


Thanks and kind regards

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Fwd: Google for Nonprofits Affiliation Request Sent

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Sean

On 22 June 2016 at 15:37, Sean DALY  wrote:
>
> We agree on using Google AdWords, but no work has been done on communication
> strategy, and although I am thrilled there is interest in marketing, I am
> also very concerned that more emphasis seems to be on the media rather than
> the message, and my requests that this be worked on before starting
> campaigns aren't leading anywhere.

Where you've requested this be worked on, Samson has got back to you
with a proposal document, and there have been comments from members.

If you want to lead the marketing effort, I think its incumbent upon
you to either ask Samson to go over the feedback he got and use it to
improve his proposal document and share a new version, if that is the
next step you think he should take; or, to draft your own document
that lays out the strategy that you think we ought to be working on
together, and solicit comments on it.

Do you see alternative actions to take to lead this somewhere? I'm
eager to hear them :)

If you agree those 2 paths forward would be good, please take one.

> It's true that I am more interested in marketing to teachers than recruiting
> FLOSS developers, but with social media it's more important than ever to
> have an integrated plan.

If you want an integrated plan, please work with Samson and myself and
all other members to create one :)

I am also waiting for a reply to my email asking you to provide links
to the plans written in the past.

> Dave, if this doesn't make sense to you, you can coordinate marketing from
> now on, I'm not sure I have the energy to repeat myself over and over. I can
> only say I know what works and what doesn't, and randomness in marketing
> doesn't.

I don't think Samson and I are opposed to following your lead.

If you think our approach is 'random,' then please do work on a
structured approach with us.

Rather, I think what Samson and I are opposed to is inaction; you said
on the call the other day -
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016/Call_1 - that you
have been "mystified" for the last 2-3 years on how to market Sugar,
that in the early days you developed a good strategy - which I am yet
to read - but a crisis developed in how to get tasks that you think
needed to be done to become completed within a volunteer community.
You didn't do them yourself, and no one did them, and so the marketing
aspects of Sugar have dried up.

Well, here is me and Samson eager to volunteer and get things going.

If you want to "assign" tasks to us, we might say that we don't take
orders. Sure. But if you want to work with us to list all the possible
tasks, and to prioritise them, and then to do these tasks yourself and
ask us to join you in doing them, then I expect we will be happy to
join you.

Samson, do you agree?
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Re: [IAEP] Which cheap 2016 Laptop should be our reference?

[Dave Crossland]

On Jun 22, 2016 7:11 PM, "Samuel Greenfeld"  wrote:
>
> I am going to take the unpopular stance here and say if all you are
willing to support is a computer which requires no binary blobs, you are
going to support no computer at all.

If being fully free is a goal - which I don't think it ought to be, but if
it is - then we have 1 clear winner.

I have a 10 year old IBM x200 from gluglug, that runs libreboot and
trisquel and thus it has absolutely  no proprietary software, firmware or
blobs installed when I bought it, but since I used it there is some now
inside the browser js cache.

I think the CPU microcode updates are turned if too, im not sure.
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Re: [IAEP] Which cheap 2016 Laptop should be our reference?

[Dave Crossland]

What laptop do you use Jonas?
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Re: [IAEP] Which cheap 2016 Laptop should be our reference?

[Samuel Greenfeld]

I am going to take the unpopular stance here and say if all you are willing
to support is a computer which requires no binary blobs, you are going to
support no computer at all.

It's just a question of who loads what binary blobs.  Even x86 CPUs have
their microcode loaders and digitally signed firmware nowadays.

Starting this month, the Federal Communication Commission required all
devices manufactured with 5 GHz wireless firmware sold in the  United
States prove that alternative firmware cannot be installed that will alter
the wireless output from the manufacturer's/FCC's original intent.  Most
manufacturers have taken the easy route and blocked all
non-binary/alternative firmware support - it's the easiest route to meet
that goal.


On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Jonas Smedegaard  wrote:

> Quoting Sam Parkinson (2016-06-23 00:07:34)
> > I think that the issue was mainly it was hard to install Sugar on the
> > 1st generation rpis.  The 1st gen was a special snowflake and it
> > didn't run normal distros that could normally intall sugar.
>
> RPi1 _also_ was slow, like most devices of that era, but...
>
>
> > I think the situation has changed?  Can't the rpi3 run mainline
> > kernel?
>
> No, it cannot *boot* without non-free blobs!
>
> No ARM devices can do 3D graphics without non-free blobs, but the RPi
> boards are particularly bad in that the 3D graphics is hardwired to the
> bootup process.
>
> If you want the RPi, then admit that you compromise on freedoms, don't
> try fool yourself and your surroundoungs by claiming differently.
>
>
> > There are actually a few funny tablets that run mainline kernel, like
> > the 2013 nexus 7.  (not the 2012 nexus7, that's a tegra chip) Maybe
> > those are of interest to us.
>
> No, I am pretty sure Nexus 7 is the one I checked a bit closer recently
> and found to only be limping when using mainline kernel - mostly
> relevant for Canonical to stuff their non-free blobs on top, and for PR
> folks to fool wanna-be purists who don't read the fine print to tag
> along).
>
> If you want a free(ish) phone, buy a GTA04 (but it isn't cheap).
>
> If you want a free(ish) tablet, buy an Allwinner-based one that you have
> double-checked is working with Debian.  Not some vendor-shipped "Debian"
> but what _Debian_ calls Debian - with kernel distributed from Debian!
>
>
> ...or don't - but then call it something else than "free", please:
> Consumers watering down the terms is far more confusing than Microsoft
> inventing "shared source".
>
>
>  - Jonas
>
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Re: [IAEP] Which cheap 2016 Laptop should be our reference?

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Sam Parkinson (2016-06-23 00:07:34)
> I think that the issue was mainly it was hard to install Sugar on the 
> 1st generation rpis.  The 1st gen was a special snowflake and it 
> didn't run normal distros that could normally intall sugar.

RPi1 _also_ was slow, like most devices of that era, but...


> I think the situation has changed?  Can't the rpi3 run mainline 
> kernel?

No, it cannot *boot* without non-free blobs!

No ARM devices can do 3D graphics without non-free blobs, but the RPi 
boards are particularly bad in that the 3D graphics is hardwired to the 
bootup process.

If you want the RPi, then admit that you compromise on freedoms, don't 
try fool yourself and your surroundoungs by claiming differently.


> There are actually a few funny tablets that run mainline kernel, like 
> the 2013 nexus 7.  (not the 2012 nexus7, that's a tegra chip) Maybe 
> those are of interest to us.

No, I am pretty sure Nexus 7 is the one I checked a bit closer recently 
and found to only be limping when using mainline kernel - mostly 
relevant for Canonical to stuff their non-free blobs on top, and for PR 
folks to fool wanna-be purists who don't read the fine print to tag 
along).

If you want a free(ish) phone, buy a GTA04 (but it isn't cheap).

If you want a free(ish) tablet, buy an Allwinner-based one that you have 
double-checked is working with Debian.  Not some vendor-shipped "Debian" 
but what _Debian_ calls Debian - with kernel distributed from Debian!


...or don't - but then call it something else than "free", please: 
Consumers watering down the terms is far more confusing than Microsoft 
inventing "shared source".


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Re: [IAEP] Which cheap 2016 Laptop should be our reference?

[Sam Parkinson]

If we want a reference device, it needs to be as boring as possible.  
Let's not repeat the XO situation.


The issue with XOs now seems to be that they are all special snowflakes 
with their special kernel versions.  This is my understanding of why we 
can't update them to the new versions of upstream software.


Devices with mainline kernel are very good.  I'm sure everybody is 
familiar with this experience; having a random old laptop (XP era, 
older maybe) that can run all the latest distributions,  Supporting my 
software on that laptop is not hard - it is the same as the Fedora on 
every other laptop.


If we choose something with a special snowflake kernel, the support 
burden falls on us to keep the kernel up to date so that we can run new 
Systemd versions for the new Fedora versions.


Thanks,
Sam

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:40 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:


On Jun 21, 2016 10:41 AM, "Walter Bender"  
wrote:

>
> soliciting a small donation of hardware from Google as a reference 
platform.


Who do we know at google who could help with that?

Despite google fonts being a client, I don't know anyone there who 
could help with this :(


In any case, which laptop they might give us may not be the best to 
recommend.


There are 2 obvious candidates to me, the new "olpc laptop" available 
from olpc inc to USA resident individuals for us$200 plus us$100 
shipping from china, with other countries shipping fees varying; and 
the One Education "Infinity" which is us$350 plus shipping from 
Taiwan/ Australia.


The olpc unit ships with sugar and its cheaper so seems a better bet 
given both launched around now.
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Re: [IAEP] Which cheap 2016 Laptop should be our reference?

[Sam Parkinson]

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:33 AM, Walter Bender 
 wrote:



On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Sean DALY  
wrote:


On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Sebastian Silva 
 wrote:
I wouldn't dismiss the Raspberry Pi 3 or similar single board 
computer



Around the time RPi hit the million unit mark I floated the idea of 
a Sugar-branded enclosure for it, distributed through the RPi 
partner network.


The problem at the time was that the Sugar experience on RPi was 
pretty terrible. I suspect it is pretty decent on the newer models. 
Do we know?


I think that the issue was mainly it was hard to install Sugar on the 
1st generation rpis.  The 1st gen was a special snowflake and it didn't 
run normal distros that could normally intall sugar.


I think the situation has changed?  Can't the rpi3 run mainline kernel?

There are actually a few funny tablets that run mainline kernel, like 
the 2013 nexus 7.  (not the 2012 nexus7, that's a tegra chip)  Maybe 
those are of interest to us.


Thanks,
Sam



-walter



Sean.





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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Fwd: Google for Nonprofits Affiliation Request Sent

[Sean DALY]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:07 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> It is a matter for the marketing team, which seems to have reached
> consensus.



We agree on using Google AdWords, but no work has been done on
communication strategy, and although I am thrilled there is interest in
marketing, I am also very concerned that more emphasis seems to be on the
media rather than the message, and my requests that this be worked on
before starting campaigns aren't leading anywhere.

It's true that I am more interested in marketing to teachers than
recruiting FLOSS developers, but with social media it's more important than
ever to have an integrated plan.

Dave, if this doesn't make sense to you, you can coordinate marketing from
now on, I'm not sure I have the energy to repeat myself over and over. I
can only say I know what works and what doesn't, and randomness in
marketing doesn't.

Sean
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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Google for Nonprofits Affiliation Request Sent

[Dave Crossland]

On Jun 22, 2016 11:47 AM, "Dave Crossland"  wrote:
>
> On 8 June 2016 at 06:32, Sean DALY  wrote:
> > I'm confused, I thought Adam was going to liaise with SFC on that?
> >
> > We can't take over their account.
>
> Its not about taking over the account, its about getting additional
> admin access in order to set up Sugar Labs's adwords account.
>
> Apparently Conservancy denied this request.

Apparently this is inaccurate, but the email from google makes clear that
the outcomes were: conservancy approved the request, denied the request, or
did not respond to the request and in that case passed it back to google,
who could then approve or deny it. So I guess its accurate to say the
latter happened and google denied it.

> I do not know how to get access to a Google-sponsored adwords account.
>
> Adam, can you ask Conservancy folks how we get access to a
> Google-sponsored adwords account?

Conservancy asked SLOBs (and Adam forwarded the full email to me, Sean and
Caryl) to work out what SL wants to do, how SL wants to manage account
logistics, and what marketing strategy SL plans to implement.  Once SL is
ready to proceed, we let Tony know and he'll look into what (if any)
subaccounts they can create for individual Conservancy member projects.

What I want to do is obtain the $10,000 per month AdWords credit that
Google offers to nonprofits and use to run adwords campaigns seeking new
members to help with development and translation.

Account logistics are handled by google accounts. Mine is
d.crossl...@gmail.com.

Do I need to get SLOB to pass a motion for Tony to do this?
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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Google for Nonprofits Affiliation Request Sent

[Dave Crossland]

On Jun 22, 2016 12:21 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>>
>> On 8 June 2016 at 06:32, Sean DALY  wrote:
>> > I'm confused, I thought Adam was going to liaise with SFC on that?
>> >
>> > We can't take over their account.
>>
>> Its not about taking over the account, its about getting additional
>> admin access in order to set up Sugar Labs's adwords account.
>>
>> Apparently Conservancy denied this request.
>>
>> I do not know how to get access to a Google-sponsored adwords account.
>>
>> Adam, can you ask Conservancy folks how we get access to a
>> Google-sponsored adwords account?
>
>
> Is there strong consensus which people (multiple people, not a single
person) should manage this and all associated passwords +
responsibilities?

Me and samson and sean have expressed keen interest in marketing so let's
start with us 3.

> With this "process/procedure/ownership" fully documented in a very public
place, so SL doesn't end up with lost passwords and orphaned/locked
accounts, as has happened frequently to date?

Until I have access I can't document how it works but I commit to doing so
promptly when access is in place.

> (Can Sean Daly and/or others agree to supervise marketing/branding
aspects, providing the delicate balance asked for by those who are quite
uncomfortable with SL getting involved with advertising?)

I agree to supervise Samson since he is a minor for a few more months.

>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From:  
>> Date: 22 June 2016 at 03:01
>> Subject: Google for Nonprofits Affiliation Request Denied
>> To: d.crossl...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> You recently requested administrative access to the Google for
>> Nonprofits membership account for Sugar Labs. Your request has been
>> denied.
>>
>> If you would still like to take advantage of your organisation's
>> Google for Nonprofits membership account, we encourage you to locate
>> the account owner from within your organisation and work with him or
>> her to ensure the account meets your needs.
>>
>> If you believe your account is not being administered by an authorised
>> representative of your organisation, respond to us at
>> google-for-nonprofits-supp...@google.com with your proof of
>> affiliation to the organisation.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> The Google for Nonprofits Team
>>
>>
>> Application Information:
>> Charity ID: 41-2203632
>> Organisation: Sugar Labs
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[IAEP] Fwd: Open Ed Jam is now Libre Learn Lab - Oct 8th & 9th at MIT

[Walter Bender]

>From Maraih:
​
​Striving towards education freedom.


HI EVERYONE,

We are excited to announce that Open Ed Jam has been revamped! It is now
called* Libre Learn Lab* and will be hosted at MIT's Sloan School of
Management on Oct 8th & 9th, 2016. This year's theme is "From Play to
Policy" which we think will bring in great sessions, workshops and panels.
Check out the new website! www.librelearnlab.org

*"Libre Learn Lab is a binannual two-day summit at the Tang Center in the
Sloan School of Management at MIT in Boston, Massachusetts on October 8th
and 9th 2016 for people who create and implement freely licensed resources
for education, bringing together educators, policy experts, software
developers, hardware hackers, and activists to share best practices and
address the challenges of widespread adoption of these resources in
education."*

Feel free to reach out to Mariah through this email address for any
correspondence about the event.


*3 important things to note:*

*1. Our Call for Proposals is live!*

If you're interested in submitting a proposal, you have plenty of time to
do it! Our Call for Proposals 
closes on July 15th. Please share it with anyone who may be interested
along with the CFP flyer attached to this email
*. We are reaching out to you specifically because you helped make Open Ed
Jam great by being an active participant and we would love to see you again
this fall!*



*2. Keynote Speakers confirmed!*

Our two keynote speakers will be Stefania Druga from HacKIDemia and Andrew
Marcinek from the U.S. Department of Education. We appreciate their
involvement in our event and look forward to the conversations that are
sparked from their experiences. Learn more about their work
 on our website.

For more event information visit, http://www.librelearnlab.org/event-info


*3. Stay in the Loop*

Registration will open soon, so you'll receive an update on that shortly!

In case you're on Twitter, the hashtag for the event is #LiLeLa. Our handle
is @LibreLearnLab 

IRC anyone? We'll have a channel set up on Freenode using #LiLeLa.

Visit us on Facebook , as well!


*Looking forward to seeing yall again!*

- The Libre Learn Lab Organizing Team

If you are interested in sponsoring this event, please reach out!



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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Google for Nonprofits Affiliation Request Sent

[Adam Holt]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> On 8 June 2016 at 06:32, Sean DALY  wrote:
> > I'm confused, I thought Adam was going to liaise with SFC on that?
> >
> > We can't take over their account.
>
> Its not about taking over the account, its about getting additional
> admin access in order to set up Sugar Labs's adwords account.
>
> Apparently Conservancy denied this request.
>
> I do not know how to get access to a Google-sponsored adwords account.
>
> Adam, can you ask Conservancy folks how we get access to a
> Google-sponsored adwords account?
>

Is there strong consensus which people (multiple people, not a single
person) should manage this and all associated passwords +
responsibilities?  With this "process/procedure/ownership" fully documented
in a very public place, so SL doesn't end up with lost passwords and
orphaned/locked accounts, as has happened frequently to date?

(Can Sean Daly and/or others agree to supervise marketing/branding aspects,
providing the delicate balance asked for by those who are quite
uncomfortable with SL getting involved with advertising?)

-- Forwarded message --
> From:  
> Date: 22 June 2016 at 03:01
> Subject: Google for Nonprofits Affiliation Request Denied
> To: d.crossl...@gmail.com
>
>
> Hello,
>
> You recently requested administrative access to the Google for
> Nonprofits membership account for Sugar Labs. Your request has been
> denied.
>
> If you would still like to take advantage of your organisation's
> Google for Nonprofits membership account, we encourage you to locate
> the account owner from within your organisation and work with him or
> her to ensure the account meets your needs.
>
> If you believe your account is not being administered by an authorised
> representative of your organisation, respond to us at
> google-for-nonprofits-supp...@google.com with your proof of
> affiliation to the organisation.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> The Google for Nonprofits Team
>
>
> Application Information:
> Charity ID: 41-2203632
> Organisation: Sugar Labs
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Re: [IAEP] Which cheap 2016 Laptop should be our reference?

[Walter Bender]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Jonas Smedegaard  wrote:

> Quoting Walter Bender (2016-06-22 16:33:15)
> > On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Sean DALY 
> > wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Sebastian Silva
> >>  wrote:
> >>> I wouldn't dismiss the Raspberry Pi 3 or similar single board
> >>> computer
> >>
> >> Around the time RPi hit the million unit mark I floated the idea of a
> >> Sugar-branded enclosure for it, distributed through the RPi partner
> >> network.
> >
> > The problem at the time was that the Sugar experience on RPi was
> > pretty terrible. I suspect it is pretty decent on the newer models. Do
> > we know?
>
> Performance of RPi3 is decent.
>
> It comes as a board, so addition of screen and keyboard, with the
> distribution and support burden that inolves, should be accounted for.
>
> The price of RPi is comparable to boards based on Allwinner A20 SoC,
> where a notable difference is that A20 boards can run Debian, whereas
> RPi requires a non-free blob to even boot¹.
>
> You may not consider Debian and the definition of Software freedoms that
> it represents crucial for your promotion of Sugar - I just mention as a
> data point.
>

I had not realized about the non-free blob for RPi. No reason to go down
that path if there are free alternatives. Thanks for the heads up.

>
>
>  - Jonas
>
>
> ¹ Yes, Debian + some non-free parts work, but that is not Debian.
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Re: [IAEP] Which cheap 2016 Laptop should be our reference?

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Walter Bender (2016-06-22 16:33:15)
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Sean DALY  
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Sebastian Silva 
>>  wrote:
>>> I wouldn't dismiss the Raspberry Pi 3 or similar single board 
>>> computer
>>
>> Around the time RPi hit the million unit mark I floated the idea of a 
>> Sugar-branded enclosure for it, distributed through the RPi partner 
>> network.
>
> The problem at the time was that the Sugar experience on RPi was 
> pretty terrible. I suspect it is pretty decent on the newer models. Do 
> we know?

Performance of RPi3 is decent.

It comes as a board, so addition of screen and keyboard, with the 
distribution and support burden that inolves, should be accounted for.

The price of RPi is comparable to boards based on Allwinner A20 SoC, 
where a notable difference is that A20 boards can run Debian, whereas 
RPi requires a non-free blob to even boot¹.

You may not consider Debian and the definition of Software freedoms that 
it represents crucial for your promotion of Sugar - I just mention as a 
data point.


 - Jonas


¹ Yes, Debian + some non-free parts work, but that is not Debian.

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Re: [IAEP] Which cheap 2016 Laptop should be our reference?

[Dave Crossland]

On 22 June 2016 at 10:30, Sean DALY  wrote:
> Around the time RPi hit the million unit mark I floated the idea of a
> Sugar-branded enclosure for it, distributed through the RPi partner network.

I've added this idea to https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/2016_Goals and
encourage everyone to add more ideas
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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Google for Nonprofits Affiliation Request Sent

[Dave Crossland]

On 8 June 2016 at 06:32, Sean DALY  wrote:
> I'm confused, I thought Adam was going to liaise with SFC on that?
>
> We can't take over their account.

Its not about taking over the account, its about getting additional
admin access in order to set up Sugar Labs's adwords account.

Apparently Conservancy denied this request.

I do not know how to get access to a Google-sponsored adwords account.

Adam, can you ask Conservancy folks how we get access to a
Google-sponsored adwords account?

-- Forwarded message --
From:  
Date: 22 June 2016 at 03:01
Subject: Google for Nonprofits Affiliation Request Denied
To: d.crossl...@gmail.com


Hello,

You recently requested administrative access to the Google for
Nonprofits membership account for Sugar Labs. Your request has been
denied.

If you would still like to take advantage of your organisation's
Google for Nonprofits membership account, we encourage you to locate
the account owner from within your organisation and work with him or
her to ensure the account meets your needs.

If you believe your account is not being administered by an authorised
representative of your organisation, respond to us at
google-for-nonprofits-supp...@google.com with your proof of
affiliation to the organisation.

Sincerely,

The Google for Nonprofits Team


Application Information:
Charity ID: 41-2203632
Organisation: Sugar Labs
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Re: [IAEP] Which cheap 2016 Laptop should be our reference?

[Dave Crossland]

On 22 June 2016 at 10:33, Walter Bender  wrote:
> The problem at the time was that the Sugar experience on RPi was pretty
> terrible. I suspect it is pretty decent on the newer models. Do we know?

Very decent! :)

Tony's remark was about the "Pi Zero" "$5" model.

On the latest Pi 3, a full Ubuntu desktop runs well - and KOC is
setting up a computer lab in Mexico this week using them, see
http://www.kidsoncomputers.org/blog
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Re: [IAEP] Which cheap 2016 Laptop should be our reference?

[Sean DALY]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Sebastian Silva 
wrote:

> I wouldn't dismiss the Raspberry Pi 3 or similar single board computer



Around the time RPi hit the million unit mark I floated the idea of a
Sugar-branded enclosure for it, distributed through the RPi partner network.

Sean.
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Re: [IAEP] Which cheap 2016 Laptop should be our reference?

[Walter Bender]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Sean DALY  wrote:

>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Sebastian Silva <
> sebast...@fuentelibre.org> wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't dismiss the Raspberry Pi 3 or similar single board computer
>
>
>
> Around the time RPi hit the million unit mark I floated the idea of a
> Sugar-branded enclosure for it, distributed through the RPi partner network.
>

The problem at the time was that the Sugar experience on RPi was pretty
terrible. I suspect it is pretty decent on the newer models. Do we know?

-walter

>
>
> Sean.
>
>


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Re: [IAEP] Which cheap 2016 Laptop should be our reference?

[Sebastian Silva]

El 22/06/16 a las 07:40, Dave Crossland escribió:
>
>
> On Jun 21, 2016 10:41 AM, "Walter Bender"  > wrote:
> >
> > soliciting a small donation of hardware from Google as a reference
> platform.
>
> Who do we know at google who could help with that?
>
> Despite google fonts being a client, I don't know anyone there who
> could help with this :(
>
> In any case, which laptop they might give us may not be the best to
> recommend.
>
> There are 2 obvious candidates to me, the new "olpc laptop" available
> from olpc inc to USA resident individuals for us$200 plus us$100
> shipping from china, with other countries shipping fees varying; and
> the One Education "Infinity" which is us$350 plus shipping from
> Taiwan/ Australia.
>
> The olpc unit ships with sugar and its cheaper so seems a better bet
> given both launched around now.
>
Despite Tony's remarks, I wouldn't dismiss the Raspberry Pi 3 or similar
single board computer (est. 80USD for basic kit w/ 8GB SD without screen).

I have an idea to try to deploy them in cultural / community / youth
centers and directly to kids.

They are cheap enough that parents might afford them, plus possibly they
will kill TV time which is god.
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Re: [IAEP] Which cheap 2016 Laptop should be our reference?

[Sean DALY]

Intel markets latest Classmate reference design as "2 in 1" tablet + laptop.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/education/solutions/2-in-1.html
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/education/products/versatility-for-learning.html

Sean


On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jun 21, 2016 10:41 AM, "Walter Bender" 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > soliciting a small donation of hardware from Google as a reference
>> platform.
>>
>> Who do we know at google who could help with that?
>>
>> Despite google fonts being a client, I don't know anyone there who could
>> help with this :(
>>
>> In any case, which laptop they might give us may not be the best to
>> recommend.
>>
>> There are 2 obvious candidates to me, the new "olpc laptop" available
>> from olpc inc to USA resident individuals for us$200 plus us$100 shipping
>> from china, with other countries shipping fees varying; and the One
>> Education "Infinity" which is us$350 plus shipping from Taiwan/ Australia.
>>
>> The olpc unit ships with sugar and its cheaper so seems a better bet
>> given both launched around now.
>>
>
> Still waiting for details, but apparently there is a fairly popular
> Classmate-class laptop in use in Argentina, Chile, etc.
>
> -walter
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] Which cheap 2016 Laptop should be our reference?

[Walter Bender]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
> On Jun 21, 2016 10:41 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
> >
> > soliciting a small donation of hardware from Google as a reference
> platform.
>
> Who do we know at google who could help with that?
>
> Despite google fonts being a client, I don't know anyone there who could
> help with this :(
>
> In any case, which laptop they might give us may not be the best to
> recommend.
>
> There are 2 obvious candidates to me, the new "olpc laptop" available from
> olpc inc to USA resident individuals for us$200 plus us$100 shipping from
> china, with other countries shipping fees varying; and the One Education
> "Infinity" which is us$350 plus shipping from Taiwan/ Australia.
>
> The olpc unit ships with sugar and its cheaper so seems a better bet given
> both launched around now.
>

Still waiting for details, but apparently there is a fairly popular
Classmate-class laptop in use in Argentina, Chile, etc.

-walter


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[IAEP] Which cheap 2016 Laptop should be our reference?

[Dave Crossland]

On Jun 21, 2016 10:41 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>
> soliciting a small donation of hardware from Google as a reference
platform.

Who do we know at google who could help with that?

Despite google fonts being a client, I don't know anyone there who could
help with this :(

In any case, which laptop they might give us may not be the best to
recommend.

There are 2 obvious candidates to me, the new "olpc laptop" available from
olpc inc to USA resident individuals for us$200 plus us$100 shipping from
china, with other countries shipping fees varying; and the One Education
"Infinity" which is us$350 plus shipping from Taiwan/ Australia.

The olpc unit ships with sugar and its cheaper so seems a better bet given
both launched around now.
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