Re: [IAEP] A pending donation to Sugar Labs

[Dave Crossland]

Awesome!!
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[James Cameron]

Community is already so fractured into separate mailing lists, that
adding yet another one seems wrong.

My preference would be for the board to discuss some decisions in
private, as is their right as a board, and use different means to
ensure that members are kept informed.

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 08:12:47AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 2:27 AM, Martin Dengler <[1]mar...@martindengler.com>
> wrote:
> 
> How many votes would it take to change the tagline of IAEP to “It’s An
> Education Project (not a travel agency!)”?
> 
> I feel your pain. The volume of email relating to process issues of late has
> been overwhelming. It seems we could in large part remedy the situation by
> creating a new email list, shadow-slobs, which could be subscribed to by any
> community member who is interested in these sorts of topics and leave iaep to
> issues of pedagogy and sugar-devel to issues of software engineering.
> 
> -walter 
> 
> Martin
> 
> (Not directed at Caryl personally - this whole thread comes off as pretty
> far from SL’s mission to this observer. It should be internal IMHO.)
> 
> On 24 Sep 2017, at 23:39, Caryl Bigenho <[2]cbige...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ed and I would love to host Samson in LA for a couple of days between
> Google and Boston. Kayak is showing the one way ticket at $111 at the
> time he can fly (evening). We will get that ticket for him if the rest
> of his trip is approved.
> Caryl
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Adam Holt <[3]h...@laptop.org> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské <[4]
> lionel.la...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> -1 for this motion.
> 
> Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's
> fair that Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend
> to it.
> I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side
> trip, so there is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
>
> 
> Lionel,
> 
> While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who 
> don't
> find it funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially 
> more
> than $500 disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator
> colleagues in Haiti...)
> 
> Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached
> this with a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of
> the earlier desired 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190)
> ?  In this fashion his 2 side trips would not cost Sugar Labs much
> at all:
> 
> $1,277.68 @ [5]Emirates.com for [6] https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL
> Lagos - San Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
> $190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
> 
> Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's
> side trips could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this
> summer, instead of forcing everyone to the brink like this with de
> facto high-pressure sales tactics.
> 
> But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put
> that behind us.
> 
> If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity
> immediately instead of arguing for days over a trip that could 
> Very
> Easily Go Down The Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with
> Oct 12 only days away now).
> 
> In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would *
> never * allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16
> days prior to travel like this, even if Samson's side trips had
> been mentioned forthrightly a priori (instead of forcing Sugar 
> Labs
> to the brink, and costing us money with ever-rising flight
> costs...)
> 
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> [14]
> 
> References:
> 
> [1] mailto:mar...@martindengler.com
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> [5] 

[IAEP] A pending donation to Sugar Labs

[Chris Leonard]

Dear Friends,

I am a Sugar Labs volunteer and an employee of a company called CSRA Inc.,
my employer has a program rewarding the non-profits for which employees
volunteer with cash rewards based on hours of volunteer service.  The
program is called "Dollars for Doers", and employees may earn up to $500
per organization per fiscal year on behalf of their chosen 501(c)3.

I have applied through this program for a donation to be made to Sugar
Labs (as a member project of the Software Freedom Conservancy) supported by
my volunteer time, to which the company has replied:

"Thank you for your support of the local community and your submission for
Dollars for Doers funding. We are pleased to inform you that your
submission has been approved, and we will be sending a donation of $500 to
Sugar Labs, Software Freedom Conservancy. In order to process your request,
we will need a signed and dated W9 form from the organization (Dec 2014
version). "

The SF Conservancy has provided the requested W9 form to my employer and I
anticipate that the donation process will be completed shortly as a
directed donation to Sugar Labs via the SFC.

While all too few employers offer this sort of volunteer-time matching
donation, a few more have dollar-for-dollar matching donation programs, if
you are fortunate to have such a community-minded employer, please consider
taking advantage of their charitable giving  programs to support Sugar Labs
financially as well as with your precious volunteer time.

Warmest Regards,

cjl
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Re: [IAEP] how Samson can buy a flight to GSoC today before it's too late

[Samson Goddy]

On Sep 25, 2017 2:23 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:

Samson,

Flying Emirates Airlines with a 4 hour layover in Dubai on your way to the
US to save Sugar Labs $500+ will not block your entry into the US.  Sugar
Labs should not even suggest that we would block participants from the
Middle East, even in passing, or as a joke that spending 4 hours in Dubai's
airport will turn you into a terrorist is highly inappropriate.

Please if you want to go on this trip to the GSoC Mentoring Summit,
strongly consider that your options are likely running out very fast, and
you can instantly put an end to the operatic drama by working with the
SFConservancy today (now, immediately) to buy this flight and be done with
it all:

$1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San
Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
$190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
$121.20 Port Harcout - Lagos Oct 12 & 24 (or earlier)

*You are fortunate that you do not need additional motions or votes as this
essentially matches lowest pricing for the approved Nigeria-to-GSoC without
side trips (2017-17).  Do consider what's in the best interest of the wider
Sugar Labs community and not just yourself.  Thank You All for supporting
Samson if he hopefully works this out.*

Agreed. I don't want to argue anymore because of timing. But i still think
is uncool. Could you inform SFC about the changes. Flying to America by
12th coming back 22nd.

I am going to work with them but need you to push the changes.


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[IAEP] how Samson can buy a flight to GSoC today before it's too late

[Adam Holt]

Samson,

Flying Emirates Airlines with a 4 hour layover in Dubai on your way to the
US to save Sugar Labs $500+ will not block your entry into the US.  Sugar
Labs should not even suggest that we would block participants from the
Middle East, even in passing, or as a joke that spending 4 hours in Dubai's
airport will turn you into a terrorist is highly inappropriate.

Please if you want to go on this trip to the GSoC Mentoring Summit,
strongly consider that your options are likely running out very fast, and
you can instantly put an end to the operatic drama by working with the
SFConservancy today (now, immediately) to buy this flight and be done with
it all:

$1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San
Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
$190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
$121.20 Port Harcout - Lagos Oct 12 & 24 (or earlier)

*You are fortunate that you do not need additional motions or votes as this
essentially matches lowest pricing for the approved Nigeria-to-GSoC without
side trips (2017-17).  Do consider what's in the best interest of the wider
Sugar Labs community and not just yourself.  Thank You All for supporting
Samson if he hopefully works this out.*
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Sebastian Silva]

On 25/09/17 07:12, Walter Bender wrote:
> remedy the situation by creating a new email list, shadow-slobs, which
> could be subscribed to by any community member who is interested in
> these sorts of topics
+1

Except the name of the list should be */sugar-discuss/* and so nothing
Sugar-related and Sugar-Labs-related would be off topic.

We are bound by our organizational principles to keep these
conversations in the open.

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Ignacio Rodríguez]

+1 from me.

Please lets get his flight ASAP.
Time is essential
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Walter Bender]

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 2:27 AM, Martin Dengler 
wrote:

> How many votes would it take to change the tagline of IAEP to “It’s An
> Education Project (not a travel agency!)”?
>

I feel your pain. The volume of email relating to process issues of late
has been overwhelming. It seems we could in large part remedy the situation
by creating a new email list, shadow-slobs, which could be subscribed to by
any community member who is interested in these sorts of topics and leave
iaep to issues of pedagogy and sugar-devel to issues of software
engineering.

-walter

>
>
> Martin
>
> (Not directed at Caryl personally - this whole thread comes off as pretty
> far from SL’s mission to this observer. It should be internal IMHO.)
>
> On 24 Sep 2017, at 23:39, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
>
> Ed and I would love to host Samson in LA for a couple of days between
> Google and Boston. Kayak is showing the one way ticket at $111 at the time
> he can fly (evening). We will get that ticket for him if the rest of his
> trip is approved.
> Caryl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> -1 for this motion.
>>
>> Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that
>> Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
>> I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there
>> is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
>>
>
> Lionel,
>
> While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find
> it funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500
> disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in
> Haiti...)
>
> Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this
> with a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier
> desired 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion
> his 2 side trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:
>
> $1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San
> Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
> $190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
>
> Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side
> trips could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer,
> instead of forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto
> high-pressure sales tactics.
>
> But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that
> behind us.
>
> If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately
> instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The
> Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).
>
> In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never *
> allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to
> travel like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned
> forthrightly a priori (instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and
> costing us money with ever-rising flight costs...)
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Samson Goddy]

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Ryan Cunningham <
levantamos.para.u...@gmail.com> wrote:

> El sept 25, 2017, a las 00:01, Ryan Cunningham <
> levantamos.para.u...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
> Correction:
>
> My opinion is that Sugar Labs shouldn't approve trips not having to do
> with official business of Sugar Labs; the Software Freedom Conservancy; One
> Laptop per Child; an OLPC client organization; **Google Inc., or its
> parent company, Alphabet Inc.** (only for Sugar Labs' participation in
> the Google Code-In and Google Summer of Code); the Fedora Project; Red Hat,
> Inc.; the Linux Foundation; Linus Torvalds; or any other third-party
> individual or company that provides software to Sugar Labs.
>
> Speaking of that, would these trips have anything to do with such official
> business
>
>
Well in my opinion, Meeting Walter Bender (founder and member of Sugar
Labs) and plan about Turtle Art day in Nigeria and meeting with Scratch
foundation in MIT that provides scratch in Sugar and Possible Scratch 3.0
are both under official visit.

SL is not paying for my housing or foods while doing making these visits on
behalf of Sugar Labs. So i don't see why, i keep getting attacks.

Like i said it is my opinion, so people might disagree.

>
> --
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>
> El sept 24, 2017, a las 23:27, Martin Dengler 
> escribió:
>
> How many votes would it take to change the tagline of IAEP to “It’s An
> Education Project (not a travel agency!)”?
>
> Martin
>
> (Not directed at Caryl personally - this whole thread comes off as pretty
> far from SL’s mission to this observer. It should be internal IMHO.)
>
> On 24 Sep 2017, at 23:39, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
>
> Ed and I would love to host Samson in LA for a couple of days between
> Google and Boston. Kayak is showing the one way ticket at $111 at the time
> he can fly (evening). We will get that ticket for him if the rest of his
> trip is approved.
> Caryl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> -1 for this motion.
>>
>> Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that
>> Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
>> I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there
>> is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
>>
>
> Lionel,
>
> While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find
> it funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500
> disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in
> Haiti...)
>
> Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this
> with a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier
> desired 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion
> his 2 side trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:
>
> $1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San
> Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
> $190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
>
> Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side
> trips could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer,
> instead of forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto
> high-pressure sales tactics.
>
> But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that
> behind us.
>
> If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately
> instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The
> Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).
>
> In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never *
> allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to
> travel like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned
> forthrightly a priori (instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and
> costing us money with ever-rising flight costs...)
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Samson Goddy]

Martin Dengler, i am sorry to be bringing this sad news to iaep list. FYI,
adam suggested it and put it himself not me.



On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:14 AM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> -1 for this motion.
>>
>> Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that
>> Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
>> I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there
>> is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
>>
>
> Lionel,
>
> While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find
> it funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500
> disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in
> Haiti...)
>

Please, could you look for a flight that can cost only $500 from Nigeria to
America? Adam? since we are in the spirit of reducing flight tickets,
because i see it as a good idea too to flying $500.

Because you recently suggest that KLM flies less than $1400 without fulling
investigating that it was almost $2000 for that flight.

Well, Lionel feels that SL should invest money that was meant for travel
provided by Google for getting tablets because, Samson is the one
traveling.

>
> Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this
> with a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier
> desired 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion
> his 2 side trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:
>
> $1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San
> Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
> $190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
>

I gave SFC two flight option either $1730 arriving 4:30pm which might make
me late(about 2-3hrs late due to immigration checkings) to the Gsoc summit
on friday. Or i could arrive by 2:30pm and be early for the summit.

Now you are sending me to far middle east which recently Donald Trump ban
(all middle east airlines and north Africa) due to potential terrorist
attack. Yes they lifted the ban? but remember you are putting me in a tight
corner with the U.S immigration officers, are you trying to get me
deported? because anything could go wrong with immigration especially when
it is my first time travelling outside Africa. Remember i am not a US
citizen like most of you, i am holding an ecowas (Nigerian passport) flying
from middle east is not good especially when i am traveling for the first
time.


So please Adam, i am tired of you suggesting flight from you own end
because you are not the one flying it.

Remember Donald Trump and travel policy especially when it has to do with
muslims flight?

Of course, i would want to spend my layover in Dubai (Nice city and great
airport compare to london) but i want avoid immigration questions like...
"we saw you flew to Dubai from Lagos, why didn't you take a direct flight
or fly via, paris, amsterdam or London which most people do, Are you a
terrorist? are you working for ISIS" yeah it is crazy, but i was ask if i
was going to bomb united states when i the consular officer was
interviewing me for my visa.

>
> Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side
> trips could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer,
> instead of forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto
> high-pressure sales tactics.
>

That is not entirely true, because I informed SFC when they ask me for
flight option. I mentioned to the them that i am doing to Boston for (with
walter for future Turtle Art workshop in Nigeria, and Scratch for 3.0 on
Sugar and Sugarizer). The scratch foundation sent me a letter backing up my
visa for the purpose. SFC ask SLOBS to approve $2000 for my flight because
i gave them series of different options of flight using tripadvisor.

>
> But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that
> behind us.
>
> If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately
> instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The
> Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).
>
> In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never *
> allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to
> travel like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned
> forthrightly a priori (instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and
> costing us money with ever-rising flight costs...)
>
*Adam, 4 questions for you anything you will say or suggest is what i will
discuss with SFC*

*I am schedule to meet with SFC today concerning my flight. So adam what
are your points? are you trying to send my to middle east and label as a
potential terrorist (i filled in my form that i am not terrorist when
applying and was ask at the US embassy if i am a terrorist), remember i am
traveling to the U.S for the first time? 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Ryan Cunningham]

> El sept 25, 2017, a las 00:01, Ryan Cunningham 
>  escribió:

Correction:

> My opinion is that Sugar Labs shouldn't approve trips not having to do with 
> official business of Sugar Labs; the Software Freedom Conservancy; One Laptop 
> per Child; an OLPC client organization; *Google Inc., or its parent company, 
> Alphabet Inc.* (only for Sugar Labs' participation in the Google Code-In and 
> Google Summer of Code); the Fedora Project; Red Hat, Inc.; the Linux 
> Foundation; Linus Torvalds; or any other third-party individual or company 
> that provides software to Sugar Labs.
> 
> Speaking of that, would these trips have anything to do with such official 
> business?
> 
> -- 
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> 
>> El sept 24, 2017, a las 23:27, Martin Dengler  
>> escribió:
>> 
>> How many votes would it take to change the tagline of IAEP to “It’s An 
>> Education Project (not a travel agency!)”?
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> (Not directed at Caryl personally - this whole thread comes off as pretty 
>> far from SL’s mission to this observer. It should be internal IMHO.)
>> 
>>> On 24 Sep 2017, at 23:39, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ed and I would love to host Samson in LA for a couple of days between 
>>> Google and Boston. Kayak is showing the one way ticket at $111 at the time 
>>> he can fly (evening). We will get that ticket for him if the rest of his 
>>> trip is approved.
>>> Caryl
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>>> 
 On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské  
 wrote:
> 
> -1 for this motion.
> 
> Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that 
> Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
> I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there 
> is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
 
 Lionel,
 
 While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find 
 it funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500 
 disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in 
 Haiti...)
 
 Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this 
 with a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier 
 desired 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion 
 his 2 side trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:
 
 $1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San 
 Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
 $190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
 
 Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side 
 trips could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer, 
 instead of forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto 
 high-pressure sales tactics.
 
 But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that 
 behind us.
 
 If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately 
 instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The 
 Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).
 
 In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never * 
 allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to 
 travel like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned 
 forthrightly a priori (instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and 
 costing us money with ever-rising flight costs...)
 ___
 IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
 IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>> ___
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>>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Ryan Cunningham]

My opinion is that Sugar Labs shouldn't approve trips not having to do with 
official business of Sugar Labs; the Software Freedom Conservancy; One Laptop 
per Child; an OLPC client organization; Google Inc. (only for Sugar Labs' 
participation in the Google Code-In and Google Summer of Code); the Fedora 
Project; Red Hat, Inc.; the Linux Foundation; Linus Torvalds; or any other 
third-party individual or company that provides software to Sugar Labs.

Speaking of that, would these trips have anything to do with such official 
business?

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> El sept 24, 2017, a las 23:27, Martin Dengler  
> escribió:
> 
> How many votes would it take to change the tagline of IAEP to “It’s An 
> Education Project (not a travel agency!)”?
> 
> Martin
> 
> (Not directed at Caryl personally - this whole thread comes off as pretty far 
> from SL’s mission to this observer. It should be internal IMHO.)
> 
>> On 24 Sep 2017, at 23:39, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
>> 
>> Ed and I would love to host Samson in LA for a couple of days between Google 
>> and Boston. Kayak is showing the one way ticket at $111 at the time he can 
>> fly (evening). We will get that ticket for him if the rest of his trip is 
>> approved.
>> Caryl
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské  
>>> wrote:
 
 -1 for this motion.
 
 Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that 
 Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
 I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there 
 is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
>>> 
>>> Lionel,
>>> 
>>> While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find it 
>>> funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500 
>>> disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in 
>>> Haiti...)
>>> 
>>> Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this with 
>>> a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier 
>>> desired 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion 
>>> his 2 side trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:
>>> 
>>> $1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for  https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San 
>>> Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
>>> $190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
>>> 
>>> Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side 
>>> trips could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer, 
>>> instead of forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto 
>>> high-pressure sales tactics.
>>> 
>>> But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that behind 
>>> us.
>>> 
>>> If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately 
>>> instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The 
>>> Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).
>>> 
>>> In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never * 
>>> allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to 
>>> travel like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned 
>>> forthrightly a priori (instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and 
>>> costing us money with ever-rising flight costs...)
>>> ___
>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>> ___
>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Martin Dengler]

How many votes would it take to change the tagline of IAEP to “It’s An 
Education Project (not a travel agency!)”?

Martin

(Not directed at Caryl personally - this whole thread comes off as pretty far 
from SL’s mission to this observer. It should be internal IMHO.)

> On 24 Sep 2017, at 23:39, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
> 
> Ed and I would love to host Samson in LA for a couple of days between Google 
> and Boston. Kayak is showing the one way ticket at $111 at the time he can 
> fly (evening). We will get that ticket for him if the rest of his trip is 
> approved.
> Caryl
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské  wrote:
>>> 
>>> -1 for this motion.
>>> 
>>> Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that 
>>> Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
>>> I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there 
>>> is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
>> 
>> Lionel,
>> 
>> While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find it 
>> funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500 
>> disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in 
>> Haiti...)
>> 
>> Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this with 
>> a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier desired 
>> 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion his 2 side 
>> trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:
>> 
>> $1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San 
>> Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
>> $190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
>> 
>> Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side trips 
>> could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer, instead of 
>> forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto high-pressure sales 
>> tactics.
>> 
>> But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that behind 
>> us.
>> 
>> If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately 
>> instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The 
>> Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).
>> 
>> In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never * 
>> allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to travel 
>> like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned forthrightly a 
>> priori (instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and costing us money 
>> with ever-rising flight costs...)
>> 
>> ___
>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
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