Re: [IAEP] [sugar-sur] Sugar Labs Community Response Team

[Laura Vargas]

Estimado Paul,

Our community appreciates your interest in collaborating as part of the
"response team" of the Sugar Labs Project.

I think that *English-Spanish bilingualism* is a desirable capacity in a
team whose *objective is to mediate the relations between developers and
users*.

I have included your Spanish translation of the Code of Conduct
 and I have adjusted the
links at the end of the English version
.

[Español]

Nuestra comunidad agradece su interés en colaborar como parte del "equipo
de respuesta" del Proyecto Sugar Labs.

Pienso que el bilinguismo Inglés-Español es una capacidad deseable en un
equipo cuyo objetivo es mediar en las relaciones desarrolladores-usuarios.

He incluido su traducción al Español del Código de Conducta
 y he ajustado los enlaces al
final de la versión en Inglés.



Por favor reciba un saludo fraterno y bendiciones,

Laura Victoria




El 5 de noviembre de 2017, 23:14, Paul Deza  escribió:

> Dear Laura:
>
> I present my interest, if possible, in collaborate as part of the
> suggested "response team".
> and share the Spanish version of the Code of conduct whose link presents a
> conflict:
>
> Presento mi interés, de ser posible, en colaborar como parte del "equipo
> de respuesta" sugerido y
> comparto la versión en Español del Código de Conducta cuyo link tiene un
> percance.
> http://co.sugarlabs.org/go/Código_de_Conducta
>
> Regards  Saludos
>
> Paul Deza
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Legal/Code_of_Condu
> ct#Be_considerate
>
> Sugar Labs/Legal/Código de Conducta
>
>
>
> Para ser efectivo, los miembros de la comunidad de Sugar Labs deben
> trabajar juntos; nuestro código de conducta establece las "reglas básicas"
> para nuestros esfuerzos cooperativos.
>
> La comunidad de Sugar Labs apoya a los educadores y desarrolladores de
> software que usan y desarrollan Sugar Learning Platform. Sugar es un lugar
> para que los niños exploren, aprendan, enseñen y reflexionen. Sugar Labs es
> un lugar donde todos podemos explorar, aprender, enseñar y reflexionar. Los
> mismos principios subyacentes que hacen que Sugar sea un gran
> descubrimiento, colaboración y reflexión son fundamentales para la forma en
> que opera la comunidad Sugar.
>
> Elegimos el nombre Sugar Labs, plural, porque somos más de un laboratorio,
> una persona o una idea. La pluralidad captura el espíritu de intercambio,
> cooperación y crítica que está en el corazón del movimiento de software
> libre / código abierto. Colaboramos libremente de forma voluntaria para
> desarrollar software para el beneficio de todos. Mejoramos el trabajo de
> otros, que se nos ha dado libremente, y luego compartimos nuestras mejoras
> sobre la misma base.
>
> Esa colaboración depende de las buenas relaciones entre los
> desarrolladores (y los usuarios finales). Hemos acordado el siguiente
> Código de conducta como guía para nuestra colaboración y cooperación.
>
> Este Código de Conducta cubre su comportamiento como miembro de la
> comunidad de Sugar Labs, en cualquier foro, lista de correo, wiki, sitio
> web, canal de IRC, sprint de código, reunión pública o correspondencia
> privada. La Junta de Supervisión arbitrará cualquier disputa sobre la
> conducta de un miembro de la comunidad.
>
>
> Se considerado
>
> Su trabajo será utilizado por otras personas, y usted a su vez dependerá
> del trabajo de otros. Cualquier decisión que tome afectará a los usuarios y
> colegas, y esperamos que tenga en cuenta esas consecuencias cuando tome
> decisiones. Por ejemplo, cuando estamos en un congelamiento de funciones,
> no cargue dramáticamente nuevas versiones del software del sistema crítico,
> ya que otras personas estarán probando el sistema congelado y no están
> esperando grandes cambios.
>
>
> Se respetuoso
>
> La comunidad de Sugar Labs y sus miembros se tratan con respeto. Todos
> pueden hacer una valiosa contribución a Sugar. Puede que no siempre estemos
> de acuerdo, pero el desacuerdo no es excusa para el mal comportamiento y
> los malos modales. Todos podemos experimentar cierta frustración de vez en
> cuando, pero no podemos permitir que esa frustración se convierta en un
> ataque personal. Es importante recordar que una comunidad donde las
> personas se sienten incómodas o amenazadas no es productiva. Esperamos que
> los miembros de la comunidad de Sugar sean respetuosos al tratar con otros
> colaboradores, con personas ajenas al proyecto Sugar y con los usuarios de
> Sugar.
>
>
> Sé colaborativo
>
> Sugar Labs y Free Software tratan respecto a colaboración y trabajo
> conjunto. La colaboración reduce la redundancia del trabajo realizado en el
> mundo del software libre y mejora la calidad del software producido.
> Debería intentar colaborar con otros colaboradores de Sugar, 

Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Community Response Team

[James Cameron]

On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 11:38:36AM -0500, Walter Bender wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Hilary Naylor  wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> >   I was very surprised to learn that the Ombudsman's ruling is not
> > binding.  That would certainly make it even harder to find people
> > to serve in that role.
> 
> The ruling is binding. What is lacking is any mechanism for
> enforcement.

The board could enforce the ruling in some way; by creating a
mechanism specific to the ruling.

A response team would face the same problem.

A change to the terms of membership could be to make membership
conditional on accepting a ruling; although the existence of the
ombudsman and the board already implied this was an obligation of
membership.

> >   I have a suggestion for a modification to the proposal for a
> > Response Team. Rather that a permanent Team, make it a Team that
> > is created as the need arises, and that the 3 members are agreed
> > to by the persons in dispute, and that both (or all) those in
> > dispute agree to abide by the Team's decision. Where should these
> > Team members come from? -- All Sugar Labs community members are
> > potential Team members by default except for the current SLOBs
> > (and SLOBs candidates if there are any). Team members would be
> > drawn by random selection, people may opt-out or be rejected by
> > one or more of the disputees, and selection continues until there
> > are three.
> 
> It sounds like you are proposing a jury of one's peers. But I think
> the need goes well beyond making a ruling. There is a good deal of
> investigation and mediation that is not typical of the
> responsibilities given to a jury. I think that the role of ombudsman
> (and/or membership on a Response Team) requires a level of maturity
> and experience that would be hard to guarantee in your proposed
> approach.

It would also take a long time; first to select the jury, then for the
jury to communicate.  An independent ombudsman already chosen was a
faster process design.  That the ruling was not enforced is a
different issue.

-- 
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http://quozl.netrek.org/
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Community Response Team

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Hilary Naylor  wrote:

> Hi all,
>   I was very surprised to learn that the Ombudsman's ruling is not
> binding. That would certainly make it even harder to find people to serve
> in that role.
>

The ruling is binding. What is lacking is any mechanism for enforcement.


>   I have a suggestion for a modification to the proposal for a Response
> Team. Rather that a permanent Team, make it a Team that is created as the
> need arises, and that the 3 members are agreed to by the persons in
> dispute, and that both (or all) those in dispute agree to abide by the
> Team's decision. Where should these Team members come from? -- All Sugar
> Labs community members are potential Team members by default except for the
> current SLOBs (and SLOBs candidates if there are any). Team members would
> be drawn by random selection, people may opt-out or be rejected by one or
> more of the disputees, and selection continues until there are three.
>

It sounds like you are proposing a jury of one's peers. But I think the
need goes well beyond making a ruling. There is a good deal of
investigation and mediation that is not typical of the responsibilities
given to a jury. I think that the role of ombudsman (and/or membership on a
Response Team) requires a level of maturity and experience that would be
hard to guarantee in your proposed approach.

>
> Your thoughts?
>
> cheers
> Hilary
>
> ---Original Message---
> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 08:35:40 -0500
> From: Walter Bender 
> To: iaep , sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Community Response Team
>
> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
>
> > [español abajo]
> >
> > Good day Sugar Labs members,
> >
> > As per today's meeting Bert Freudenbergs has declined his Ombudsman
> > position on Sugar Labs.
> >
> > It has been discussed in today's meeting the possibility for Sugar Labs
> to
> > shape a RESPONSE TEAM composed at least 3 Sugar Labs members (Its has
> > been suggested at least one female member).
> >
> > The objective of the RESPONSE TEAM will be to attend and resolve all Code
> > of Conduct's requests for the Sugar Labs Community.
> >
> >
> > Please share your comments and if you are interested in be take part of
> > this new team.
> >
>
> While I am in favor of trying to improve upon our ability as a community to
> resolve differences, I have several concerns about the plan to form a
> committee:
> (1) It is not clear to me that a committee decision would hold any more
> weight than the decision of a sole ombudsman. In the most recent (and only
> second ever) intervention by the ombudsman, his decision was rejected by
> the party that asked for the intervention. How would the proposed change
> result in a different outcome?
> (2) Bert will be sorely missed and hard to replace. Finding three (or more)
> community members with Bert's standing within the community and
> impartiality will be difficult. Finding even one will be difficult.
>
> On the plus side, it is certainly easier to build in diversity if we have a
> committee rather than a single person.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> >
> > Regards and blessings to all,
> >
> > [español]
> >
> > Buenos días miembros de Sugar Labs,
> >
> > Según la reunión de hoy, Bert Freudenbergs ha declinado su posición de
> > Ombudsman en Sugar Labs.
> >
> > Se ha discutido en la reunión de hoy la posibilidad de que Sugar Labs
> > forme un EQUIPO DE RESPUESTA compuesto por al menos 3 miembros de Sugar
> > Labs (se ha sugerido al menos un miembro femenino).
> >
> > El objetivo del EQUIPO DE RESPUESTA será atender y resolver todas las
> > solicitudes relacionadas con el Código de Conducta para la Comunidad de
> > Sugar Labs.
> >
> >
> > Por favor, comparta sus comentarios y si está interesado en formar parte
> > de este nuevo equipo.
> >
> > Saludos y bendiciones para todos,
> >
> >
> > Laura Victoria
> >
> ---
> Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> www.a2zed.us
> Oakland CA
>
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-- 
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Sugar Labs
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Community Response Team

[Hilary Naylor]

Hi all,
  I was very surprised to learn that the Ombudsman's ruling is not binding.
That would certainly make it even harder to find people to serve in that
role.
  I have a suggestion for a modification to the proposal for a Response
Team. Rather that a permanent Team, make it a Team that is created as the
need arises, and that the 3 members are agreed to by the persons in
dispute, and that both (or all) those in dispute agree to abide by the
Team's decision. Where should these Team members come from? -- All Sugar
Labs community members are potential Team members by default except for the
current SLOBs (and SLOBs candidates if there are any). Team members would
be drawn by random selection, people may opt-out or be rejected by one or
more of the disputees, and selection continues until there are three.

Your thoughts?

cheers
Hilary

---Original Message---
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 08:35:40 -0500
From: Walter Bender 
To: iaep , sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Community Response Team

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> [español abajo]
>
> Good day Sugar Labs members,
>
> As per today's meeting Bert Freudenbergs has declined his Ombudsman
> position on Sugar Labs.
>
> It has been discussed in today's meeting the possibility for Sugar Labs to
> shape a RESPONSE TEAM composed at least 3 Sugar Labs members (Its has
> been suggested at least one female member).
>
> The objective of the RESPONSE TEAM will be to attend and resolve all Code
> of Conduct's requests for the Sugar Labs Community.
>
>
> Please share your comments and if you are interested in be take part of
> this new team.
>

While I am in favor of trying to improve upon our ability as a community to
resolve differences, I have several concerns about the plan to form a
committee:
(1) It is not clear to me that a committee decision would hold any more
weight than the decision of a sole ombudsman. In the most recent (and only
second ever) intervention by the ombudsman, his decision was rejected by
the party that asked for the intervention. How would the proposed change
result in a different outcome?
(2) Bert will be sorely missed and hard to replace. Finding three (or more)
community members with Bert's standing within the community and
impartiality will be difficult. Finding even one will be difficult.

On the plus side, it is certainly easier to build in diversity if we have a
committee rather than a single person.

regards.

-walter

>
> Regards and blessings to all,
>
> [español]
>
> Buenos días miembros de Sugar Labs,
>
> Según la reunión de hoy, Bert Freudenbergs ha declinado su posición de
> Ombudsman en Sugar Labs.
>
> Se ha discutido en la reunión de hoy la posibilidad de que Sugar Labs
> forme un EQUIPO DE RESPUESTA compuesto por al menos 3 miembros de Sugar
> Labs (se ha sugerido al menos un miembro femenino).
>
> El objetivo del EQUIPO DE RESPUESTA será atender y resolver todas las
> solicitudes relacionadas con el Código de Conducta para la Comunidad de
> Sugar Labs.
>
>
> Por favor, comparta sus comentarios y si está interesado en formar parte
> de este nuevo equipo.
>
> Saludos y bendiciones para todos,
>
>
> Laura Victoria
>
---
Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
www.a2zed.us
Oakland CA
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