Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Donations to SugarLabs

[Alex Perez]

Devin,

We can now accept donations via both Zelle (US only) and PayPal, by sending to 
donati...@sugarlabs.org

On 12/31/2021 6:25:40 AM, devin@ulibarri.website  wrote:
Hi,

I have been receiving many year-end fundraising emails from other orgs,
and this made me think of SugarLabs which is now an official non-profit
in the U.S.

I see this page for donations:
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Donate

Is check the only method to receive donations?

(I send this email for the broader, long-term benefit, and general
awareness.)

Best,
Devin
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[IAEP] Sugar on a Stick (Fedora 35 spin) released

[Alex Perez]

Today, Fedora 35 has been released, and is available for download from 
https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/35/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-35-1.2.iso

The above ISO is 946 megabytes, and can be written to a USB stick using Fedora 
Media Writer.


It's also available as a 32-bit ARM image, at 
https://mirrors.rit.edu/fedora/fedora/linux//releases/35/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-35-1.2.armhfp.raw.xz
 91.9GB)



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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Belated meeting reminder

[Alex Perez]

Apologies for missing the meeting. It was my birthday, and my wife and I were 
out on the coast for the day.
On 6/9/2021 5:19:51 AM, Walter Bender  wrote:
We have a Sugar Labs oversight meeting today at 19:30 UTC (3:30 on the
US East Coast). We'll meet in the Matrix #sugar room. (Note that there
is a gateway from Liberachat's #sugar room.)

See you there.

-walter

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[IAEP] Announcement: Sugar on a Stick (SoaS) 34 released today

[Alex Perez]

Folks,

Fedora 34 was released today, which means that we've got a new release
of Sugar on a Stick 34, which includes Sugar 0.118, and can be
downloaded from:

https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/34/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-34-1.2.iso
 

It's one gigabyte in size.

..and written to any USB stick using BalenaEtcher, Fedora Imager Writer,
or whatever your favorite/preferred image writing tool is.


an installation image (non-live environment) for 32-bit ARM devices,
such as the Raspberry Pi 2-3, is also available at:

https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/34/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-34-1.2.armhfp.raw.xz
The above image is 1.8 gigabytes.

Special thanks to Sugar Labs member and contributor Ibiam Chihurumnaya,
AKA 'chimosky', for co-maintaining many/most of these Fedora activities,
as well as the core Sugar Fedora packages, which, as a whole, make up
Sugar on a Stick.

Regards,
Alex Perez
Sugar Labs Contributor & Fedora Package Wrangler

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[IAEP] Call for testing of Fedora 34 beta Sugar On A Stick

[Alex Perez]

Folks,

This is a call for testing of the upcoming Fedora 34 based Sugar on a Stick, 
which is now ready for testing on the following platforms:

For 64-bit PCs, the ISO can be downloaded from:

https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/34_Beta-1.3/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-34_Beta-1.3.iso
 
[https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/34_Beta-1.3/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-34_Beta-1.3.iso]


The installer based version of SoaS for 32-bit ARM can be downloaded from 
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/34_Beta-1.3/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-34_Beta-1.3.armhfp.raw.xz
 
[https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/34_Beta-1.3/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-34_Beta-1.3.armhfp.raw.xz]

...and finally, we have a new variant of SoaS for 64-bit ARM devices, which is 
also installer-based, and available for download at 
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/34_Beta-1.3/Spins/aarch64/images/Fedora-SoaS-34_Beta-1.3.aarch64.raw.xz
 
[https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/34_Beta-1.3/Spins/aarch64/images/Fedora-SoaS-34_Beta-1.3.aarch64.raw.xz]

Please test on real hardware if possible. All you need to do is download and 
write the image to a USB stick, with Fedora Media Writer, which can be 
downloaded from https://github.com/FedoraQt/MediaWriter/releases/tag/4.2.0 
[https://github.com/FedoraQt/MediaWriter/releases/tag/4.2.0]
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Today's Minutes and Next Meeting Time

[Alex Perez]

James Cameron wrote on 12/9/20 9:09 PM:
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 07:13:49AM +0300, Srevin Saju wrote:
>> G'day!
>>
>> I have a topic, which perhaps needs discussion,
> It is about time this came up again.

Pretty much :)
>
>> We have been using IRC for many years. Recently, some of our
>> communication moved to Slack, and some to Jitsi. What is Sugar
>> Labs's idea of a best, unified communication platform which it
>> should recommend to new developers.  Right now, all the guides point
>> directly to IRC,
> Yes, even my "How to get started as a Sugar Labs developer" points to
> IRC.
>
>> most new developers, who are interested to contributing to Sugar
>> drop a message to an IRC channel, and almost never get a reply. This
>> is possibly because the communication has diversified, or because of
>> a community split on the basis of communication medium.
> It is easier to explain the lack of reply as being caused by a lack of
> contributing members, and a focus by the remaining members on their
> specific projects in a way that does not require collaborating in
> real-time.  The GitHub commit pattern over time confirms this.
>
>> Recently, many new developers told us of the difficulties of using
>> IRC clients, the need for Bouncers, etc.
> (a) my preference is not to call them developers until they have
> contributed,

Agreed. Until you've contributed something, you're just an interested
party. Simply aspiring to be a developer does not make you one.
>
> (b) these barriers to using IRC do not seem difficult; above all, why
> are we doing FreeNode's job for them?
In what way do you feel we're doing FreeNode's job for them? I don't get it.
>
>> We (some of us) suggested them to use a Matrix client to connect to
>> #sugar, and indeed they are quite satisfied with new mode of
>> communication.. The Matrix protocol.
> Most recent discussion on #sugar was just you talking to cyksager, and
> we couldn't see anything from them until they did something to fix it.
>
>> The Matrix protocol is interesting. Sugar had a matrix channel for
>> many years. Recently we set up a bridge between the matrix channel
>> (#sugar:matrix.org) and the IRC irc.freenode.net channel, i.e
>> (#sugar), which helped a few developers to keep connected to the IRC
>> channel without a bouncer and also make use of newer clients for
>> mobile, for example Element Android (available  on F-droid, Google
>> Play), and Element iOS. Element / Matrix has a intuitive web client
>> which supports reactions and better formatting as compared to IRC,
>> and is the best place for a developer to start contributing. The
>> most interesting and useful feature is the IRC bridge, which helps
>> to make use of the best of Matrix and maintain the connection
>> between the IRC channel and the Matrix channel. The bridge is a tool
>> which helps to convert the IRC protocol to the matrix protocol and
>> vice versa.
>>
>> Topic of discussion, we a Sugar Gitter channel, Sugarizer Matrix
>> channel, etc. Matrix has the support to integrate everything to a
>> single channel.  What is your opinion?

While it may be a factually accurate statement that "we have had this
channel for years", that doesn't mean it's been trafficked/visited much
at all. For instance, I had no knowledge of its existence before several
months ago, when the IRC bridge was set up. The IRC channel has existed
since the inception of the Sugar Labs project. You may see IRC as an
antiquated protocol, and I have no problem with Sugar Matrix channel,
bridged to the IRC channel. But to show up and suggest that we eliminate
the primary real-time collaboration tool that the project has used since
its inception shows, frankly, somewhat of a lack of understanding of how
open source projects work. You need to learn to build consensus. If you
show up and, shortly thereafter, say "I don't like the way we
communicate", let's change it completely, you're inevitably going to
experience resistance. To expect anything else is nuts. We have mailing
lists for non-realtime communications. If you're e-mail averse, you will
not last long in any open source community.
> My opinion is that you've got the cart before the horse.  First thing
> that is needed is for potential contributors to become developers, and
> to collaborate on something.
Agreed. And honestly, if you can't follow basic directions on how to use
and connect to an IRC channel, I find it very, very unlikely that
newcomers will have the patience necessary to become meaningful
contributors.
>
> Where you have potential contributors using IRC to ask questions that
> are answered by documentation or source code; that's just a help line
> or chat bot.  It is often a waste of time to invest in that.  Better
> is to fix the problem they are reporting.
Agreed. It's not as though we have paid customer support/engagement
people to do anything with such complaints, anyways.
>
>> Interesting points of discussion and helpful material:
>>
>> * Pull request to add Matrix 

[IAEP] Fwd: Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick is available now!

[Alex Perez]

Fedora 32 has been released, and the Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick spin is 
available for download from https://bit.ly/F32-SoAS-x86_64-ISO. It is 
950 megabytes in size.


The 32-bit Fedora SoaS ARM image, suitable for use on Raspberry Pi 
1/2/3, is also available at https://bit.ly/F32-SoAS-armhfp-raw and is 
730 megabytes in size. Also worthy of note, the armhfp kernel supplied 
in this image has been verified to boot from USB on an unlocked OLPC 
XO-1.75, although it's very, very slow.


This is a purely Python 3 based Sugar environment, and Python 2 
activities will not run here at all. This is the first version of Sugar 
on a Stick to drop Python 2 completely, and a few of the bundled 
activities which have yet to be ported to Python 3 were removed from 
this release, and will re-appear at which point the porting and testing 
of them is complete.

*From:* Matthew Miller 
*Date:* April 28, 2020 at 6:55 AM
*To:* annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org
*CC:* devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org
*Subject:* Fedora 32 is available now!
It’s here! We’re proud to announce the release of Fedora 32.
Thanks to the hard work of thousands of Fedora community
members and contributors, we’re celebrating yet another
on-time release!

Read the official announcement at:

* https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-32/

or just go ahead and grab it from:

* https://getfedora.org/



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[IAEP] Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick beta ISO ready for testing

[Alex Perez]

Fedora 32 has entered beta state, and the Sugar on a Stick beta ISO 
(size is 1 gigabyte) can be downloaded from http://bit.ly/SoaS-F32-Beta-ISO


One known issue is that the IRC activity fails to start, and can not be 
used, as it's not yet been ported to Python 3.


The current target final release date for Fedora 32 is Tuesday, April 
21st, though this may change if need be.


Please test on real hardware if possible, and send/provide reports to 
s...@lists.sugarlabs.org as necessary.
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] GCI summit travel

[Alex Perez]

+1 from me, we should arrange to meet up while you are here. Is the 
summit in Mountain View?


Walter Bender wrote on 5/28/19 7:07 PM:
I've been selected by the GCI winners to represent SL at the summit 
next month. Google has provided US $1500 for travel (all other 
expenses are directly covered by Google.) I anticipate that the total 
cost of my trip will be < US $1000. I'd like approval from SLOB before 
booking my flight.


regards.

-walter

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[IAEP] Fedora 30 (Release Candidate 1) SoaS images ready for testing

[Alex Perez]

Folks,


Just under the wire, we have managed to get some critical Sugar on a 
Stick issues fixed, which are now included in Fedora 30 SoaS images. I 
would like to extend a very special thanks to Peter Robinson, who took 
time out of his busy schedule to assist in getting the Fedora packages 
updated with the necessary fixes and patches. Thank you, Peter. This 
will be the first Fedora SoaS in several releases to have functional 
collaboration within Sugar, and it is thanks to your work, as well as 
community testers who take the time to test these new packages, and 
report back with the results.


For those who would like to test ot use Fedora 30 Sugar on a Stick, 
Release Candidate 1, you can download these ISO images, and use DD, 
win32diskimager, or your preferred raw image writing utility to stick 
the contents on a USB drive. Alternatively, these ISOs can be booted as 
a Virtual Machine, using VirtualBox, Parallels, Hyper-V, and other 
virtualization software.


Here are your download links:

For 32-bit machines: http://bit.ly/Fedora-30-RC1-SoaS-32-bit (891 
megabyte ISO)
For 64-bit machines: http://bit.ly/Fedora-30-RC1-SoaS-64-bit 
<https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/30_RC-1.1/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-30-1.1.iso> 
(942 megabytes)



Here is what's been fixed:

* Sugar 0.113 is included by default
* Collaboration works out of the box
* Able to connect to jabber.sugarlabs.org when configured (this is 
related to the fix for collaboration, thanks to James Cameron for this)
* A patch/hotfix to 0.113 
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/commit/a83257bcf791e237afb55ed37f04d776f0fd927b>, 
which resolves Sugar 0.113 starting up. Special thanks to Rahul 
"Pro-Panda" Bothra for this contribution.




The final release of Fedora 30 is expected to be made between April 30th 
and May 7th, depending on a number of factors. The F30 release schedule 
is documented at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/30/Schedule


Regards,
Alex Perez
Sugar Labs Oversight Board Member
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Re: [IAEP] What's the long term vision of Sugar Labs?

[Alex Perez]

Sumit,

Great questions, and they're particularly relevant at this phase/age of 
the existence of Sugar Labs. They certainly can't be answered in a 
single e-mail, however I think this is a perfect conversation to have, 
particularly on our IAEP mailing list, which is our general purpose 
mailing list.


Sumit Srivastava wrote on 3/28/19 5:00 PM:
Do we aim to be like Red Hat? Canonical? No match? Who are we closest 
to? Who do we aim to be?


Speaking as an Oversight Board member, I do not believe it is in the 
interest of Sugar Labs to attempt to emulate a company like Red Hat and 
Canonical. These companies have hundreds/thousands of paid employees, 
and their organizational structure is a product of the needs of their 
corporate customers.


Right now, we have a few existential problems on the horizon, one of 
which is a long term problem, but which we now need to address in the 
short-term: Maintainability. Sugar has a lot of "technical debt", and 
unless we can complete our goal of 100% Python 3 compatibility of all 
core Sugar libraries and the toolkit, we risk the loss of being able to 
be run as a desktop environment on current versions of Linux, due to our 
reliance on Python 2. Since Python 2 has been on life support for many, 
many years, and is only nine months from being officially retired, it 
will no longer be maintained by the Python Foundation, nor included by 
default in the next versions of Fedora and Ubuntu. You can read further 
details about the sunsetting of Python 2 at https://pythonclock.org 






I understand that these are a lot of questions. You can also share 
relevant mail archive links if they're available.


I also understand that we're a non profit and the organisations I 
mentioned might not be a close match.
I personally do not think the core entity of Sugar Labs should be a 
commercial entity, but non-profit organizations are completely entitled 
to be profitable, and many are quite  for the profitable. Personally, I 
would like to see the development of a federated model, where we have 
country/regionally-centered "chapters" of Sugar Labs, with Sugar Labs 
itself taking the in-the-field feedback from our distributed user base, 
and incorporating and triaging suggestions/feedback,


Essense of my question: If we could achieve anything, what would we want?
I would love to see a world where Sugar was used extensively, worldwide, 
by children in the primary school age range, with a wide range of 
actively-maintained activities, relevant to the current curricula of a 
variety of countries, and of interest to elementary school teachers, 
across all socioeconomic groups. How we get there is the real question, 
assuming we want to, and have the organizational will to do so.


As for what our "long term vision" is, I honestly don't think we have 
one at this point, and we should fix that, which is one of the reasons 
why I chose to run for the Sugar Labs Oversight Board. Our next meeting 
is next Friday, on 2019-04-05 at 20:00 UTC, on IRC, in the 
#sugar-meeting channel on FreeNode. Feel free to join us and observe, as 
well as ask questions before and after the official meeting commences.


https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board


Regards
Sumit Srivastava
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Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Alex Perez]

Dave,

It's not about 'splintering' discussion. There are a lot of logistics 
for a physical event, from "I'll bring X, Y, Z" to "meet us here on 
Friday" that simply _should not_ be happening on the iaep mailing list.


Dave Crossland wrote:
I agree with Caryl, in that unlike me and the 229 others not doing 
anything for scale, she is doing something and that should only be 
commended.


I also think splintering the discussion in many mailing lists is a 
pity, since email reader app features exist to deal with muting 
uninteresting threads, and it makes historical research harder.


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Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Alex Perez]

Caryl,

Don't take it personally. While I agree James' comment was unfortunate, 
I do also understand what he was trying to say. I find it to have been 
worded quite poorly. We should all move on with the discussion.


Caryl, can you share your thoughts on what additions, as well as 
deletions, if any, should be included in a new banner, logo-wise?


Caryl Bigenho wrote:


I am saddened and a bit discouraged by James' comments about Tony and 
I being "too busy to be involved." There wouldn't have been anyone at 
SCaLE ever if I were not involved. There would be no Primero1° if I 
had not been involved. There would be no small deployment at a women's 
shelter in Los Angeles if I had not been involved... etc, etc, etc.


And as for Tony Anderson... his involvement is totally incredible, and 
most of it is done "on his own dime." The problem is some people are 
so impressed with all the things that they do that they lose sight of 
the fact that many others are also toiling and "fighting the good fight."


Wake up! We are a team. We need to all work together, each in our own 
way according to our own skills, abilities, and interests. No one here 
should put themselves on a pedestal and declare themselves better than 
anyone else as James has done in his note to Alex, sent to all of us 
below.


Caryl


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[IAEP] IAEP and sugar-devel mailing list subscriber statistics, by the numbers

[Alex Perez]

In case anyone was curious...

Of the 238 subscribers on iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org:

* 32 people have chosen to place their subscription in the "nomail" 
state, so they are able to send e-mail to the list, but don't receive 
normal or digest e-mails.

* 56 of the 238 subscribers have digest mode enabled.
* Only three subscriber e-mail addresses are undeliverable (they bounce)

Additionally, 470 members are currently subscribed to the sugar-devel 
mailing list. None of the e-mails to subscribers there are currently 
bouncing.

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Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Alex Perez]

Caryl,

The fact of the matter is that there really are 240 subscribers on the 
IAEP mailing list :) That said, I'm sure the percentage of folks who 
actually bother to read, much less participate, in these conversations 
is a tiny fraction of that.


As far as the banner goes, my personal opinion on the "2.0" label is 
that it's _way_ overused, has run its course, and that we should try to 
come up with a more descriptive term to use instead. It was popularized 
around 2004, and If I had a dollar for every time I read something 
referred to as "$shinyThing" 2.0 I'd probably have a few hundred 
thousand dollars, at this point.


With regards to slapping more logos on a new banner, we should probably 
try to reach some sort of agreement on which logos should be added, 
dropped, etc. Which entities would you propose should be added, and how 
are they related to OLPC and/or Sugar? I also see value in potentially 
having a second poster or banner with the "child" entities separated on 
to this. This would allow for the re-use of a strictly "sugar labs" 
banner at other events, and have at the ready.


As far as using the OLPC name, I don't think there's anything wrong with 
it, in and of itself, as long as it does not cause confusion, which I 
personally believe "OLPC 2.0" has the unintended result of doing, at 
least in the context of a Linux conference. Reasonable people can 
disagree. To me, as a deeply technical person, I think "oh cool, new 
OLPC harware" and I think it is reasonable for attendees at a 
Linux-oriented conference to have a similar reaction.


I think it would make sense to have a variety of devices running Sugar 
and Sugar On A Stick at the show, including the original OLPC. I 
personally think we need to do a better job of explaining what Sugar is, 
and why a parent or educational institution might be interested in 
having their child use it.







Caryl Bigenho <mailto:ca...@laptop.org>
December 21, 2018 at 10:51 AM
Hi Again...

Tony Anderson would like to see us keep this discussion on the iaep 
list, and I agree with him. If there are really 240 subscribers, 
please let's hear from more of you! This is all about "marketing" 
Sugar and everyone should have an interest in that! (See the PS below)


Let's discuss the banner. I "created" it back in 2014 with the help of 
several other people... I think Tony Anderson and Adam Holt were among 
them. The object of calling it "olpc 2.0" was not to any way detract 
from "OLPC", as a matter of fact, we still have a table-size banner 
with the original OLPC logo and use both of them at the same time at 
SCaLE. Think of it as "olpc 2.0" representing all of the "children" of 
OLPC! They are the offshoots. "olpc 2.0" is what brings them all 
together as one "family" with OLPC as the "patriarch." Can some one 
come up with a replacement that conveys that same spirit?


Or, we can just keep the "olpc 2.0" and use it on a new banner (you 
will notice, we purposely used a different font and rearranged the 
OLPC colors). There are many other organizations using "OLPC" in their 
name.. OLPC-France and OLPC-SF for example, so "olpc 2.0" should not 
be a problem.


In addition to having at least one entity that is no longer active, 
the current banner is missing several others that have started since 
2014 that should be included. It's definitely time for an update.


The size of the SCaLE booth is 10' by 10' so the banner has to be at 
least 8' wide to look good. The current one is made of a lightweight 
non-woven fabric that resists wrinkles and can be folded fairly small 
to fit in the outside pocket of a suitcase. We took it that way to 
LinuxFest Northwest a couple of years ago. It would be good if any new 
one we get would be similar so it could be shared, even by mailing or 
UPS or FedEx to whomever may need it to have at other events.


Alex Perez, if you have a connection that can print for us, great! 
Otherwise, we can get bids from several printers. I paid for the two 
original banners, "OLPC" and "olpc 2.0", but maybe SugarLabs would 
like to sponsor it this time?


Caryl

P.S. Remember, "iaep" was an acronym created by Mel Chu to remind us 
of what we are are really about. It stands for: *I*t's *A*n 
*E*ducation *P*roject!





*From:* Alex Perez 
*Sent:* Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:10 PM
*To:* Caryl Bigenho
*Cc:* iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; Sameer Verma; Aaron Kaplan; 
georgejh...@gmail.com; Jaskirat Singh; Tim Moody; Kenneth Wyrick

*Subject:* Re: SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019
Caryl & others,

I have removed all of the recipients who are already members of the 
IAEP mailing list from the CC: list, so they do not receive duplicate 
e-mails.


I will be

[IAEP] An open Invitation to join Sugar Labs event planning mailing list (was: Re: SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019)

[Alex Perez]

For the reason cited below, I have created a special-purpose Sugar Labs Event 
Planning mailing list, and sent e-mail invitations to all of the recipients of 
Cary's original e-mail. Anyone who did not receive an invitation, but would 
like to subscribe, please feel free to join in on the discussion by subscribing 
athttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/event-planning

Regards,
Alex Perez


Alex Perez wrote:
I will be in attendance at SCaLE 17x, along with my wife, who is 
currently a first grade schoolteacher, and has taught second grade, 
kindergarten, and pre-K here in California. Since this is a 
volunteer-run, kid-friendly event, it has a fairly different emphasis 
than a lot of other Linux-oriented conferences.


Since there are nearly 240 subscribers to the IAEP mailing list, I 
would like to propose we peel off the discussion of the specifics to a 
general-purpose "events" mailing list, with only the people who 
actually wish to be involved in the specifics of this discussion. I 
can set one up easily, and we can continue discussion there. Thoughts?


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Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Alex Perez]

Caryl & others,

I have removed all of the recipients who are already members of the IAEP 
mailing list from the CC: list, so they do not receive duplicate e-mails.


I will be in attendance at SCaLE 17x, along with my wife, who is 
currently a first grade schoolteacher, and has taught second grade, 
kindergarten, and pre-K here in California. Since this is a 
volunteer-run, kid-friendly event, it has a fairly different emphasis 
than a lot of other Linux-oriented conferences.


Since there are nearly 240 subscribers to the IAEP mailing list, I would 
like to propose we peel off the discussion of the specifics to a 
general-purpose "events" mailing list, with only the people who actually 
wish to be involved in the specifics of this discussion. I can set one 
up easily, and we can continue discussion there. Thoughts?


On the subject of the banner, see below...

Caryl Bigenho wrote:


We also need to decide on a possible new banner for the booth or 
whether we might just use the one we already have. See the attached 
photo of the booth at SCaLE 15X. If we want a new one, we should get a 
design and order it right away. It always costs less if you order 
early. The one in the photo lists most, but not all, of the various 
organizations and projects that are offshoots from, or related to, the 
old OLPC organization. Thus, the title "olpc 2.0."

I am strongly in favor of _not_ re-using this banner, for a few reasons:

- It has at least one domain on it that is no longer functional
- planet.sugarlabs.org lacks quality content these days, and I really 
don't think we should be encouraging people to visit it
- "OLPC 2.0" is a bit of an odd term, and since this was a 
proposed/prototyped piece of hardware at one time, if people googles the 
term, they get nothing useful. Furthermore, since the OLPC Foundation 
still is a legal entity which exists, and holds a current, valid 
trademark on OLPC,  I am against using it on signage, without the 
express written consent of OLPC, Inc, which is based in Miami.


I would personally prefer to emphasize "Sugar Labs" logo, and have it be 
most prominent. If I print the banner, are there any objections to that? 
Do you or does anyone else know who created the banner used at SCaLE 
15x? Just curious.
SCaLE is in Pasadena again this year. There are a couple of hotels 
close by and they usually offer a small discount to conference 
attendees. There is also the possibility of some of us getting 
together and renting a large house in the area via AirBnB or one of 
the other rental companies. Availability for these right now is 
excellent, but I expect they won't last long. If folks would like to 
do this, we need to move on it soon.


Let's make this happen!

Caryl Bigenho (unofficial SCaLE 19X booth chairperson... unless 
someone else wants to do it!)


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Re: [IAEP] Announcement of the candicacy of Lionel Laské for SLOB

[Alex Perez]

Lionel,

Thank you for stepping forward. I encourage others to ask questions of 
you as well. I have a few:


Are you willing to state that you will make your best effort to attend 
all SLOB meetings? There is no statement to this effect on your 
candidacy page, and as you are no doubt aware, I have called out a 
number of current SLOB members out regarding their extremely poor 
attendance.


Also, on your candidacy page, you state "We are an open source 
community. It should be asserted on our webpage and we must choose tools 
compatible with that philosophy. It's not acceptable for example that 
today the SugarLabs webpage include multiple tracking tools."


Can you be more specific about what sort of tracking tools you believe 
are problematic? I personally agree that the Sugar Labs website needs to 
do a better job explaining what the project is, and that it is an open 
source project (these words to not appear anywhere on the Sugar Labs 
landing page).


Regards,
Alex Perez


Lionel Laské <mailto:lionel.la...@gmail.com>
November 27, 2018 at 9:02 AM
Hi all,

I'm proud to be candidate for the SugarLabs Oversight Board election.

Find more about my candidacy here: 
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018-2020-candidates/Lionel_Lask%C3%A9


Best regards from France.

Lionel.


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Re: [IAEP] Announcement of the candidacy of Alex Perez (was: Stage II November: Election)

[Alex Perez]

I hereby announce my candidacy. Please ask any questions you may have, 
and read more at 
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018-2020-candidates/Alex_Perez



Samson Goddy 
November 19, 2018 at 7:24 AM
Greetings,

Sugar Lab's Elections and Membership Committee announces t**he 
upcoming *2018-2020 Sugar Labs Oversight Board Election 
. **


F***our (4) Oversight Board members shall be elected for the Sugar 
Labs Oversight Board project for the 2018-2020 period*.*



**

*This is the first _call for candidates_: **

*The mission of the oversight board is to ensure that the Sugar Labs 
community has clarity of purpose and the means to collaborate in 
achieving its goals.

***
Members  can run for 
election to the Oversight Board 
 and vote in the 
elections for the Oversight Board.


Once e*lected, board members are expected to participate actively on 
Sugar Labs decision making processes and join Sugar-meeting IRC 
channel for SLOB's monthly meetings.



*
Stage II November 19, Reminder of the election date and second call 
for candidates. (Today)

*

--

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Twitter: https://twitter.com/samson_goddy
Email: samsongo...@sugarlabs.org 
samsongo...@gmail.com 

Website: https://samsongoddy.me/ 


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Call to action for inactive SLOBs - attend the meetings or resign your seats

[Alex Perez]

Claudia,

I totally understand that real life gets in the way. I travel for work 
as well, and it makes things difficult. I think the most important thing 
is to be transparent about it when you may not be able to make it, and 
simply say so. There are other ways than just the board meeting to 
contribute to being a SLOB, however I don't think I'm incorrect in 
stating that the meetings are a critical place for actual collaboration 
to happen, or at least should be.


Regards,
Alex Perez


Claudia Urrea <mailto:callaur...@gmail.com>
November 16, 2018 at 11:28 AM
I understand the concern, Alex. I am committed and interested in 
continuing to serve, even if I have only participated 4 times this year.


When I agree to join the board again, the schedule had been 
established, so it took couple of months for the schedule to adjust. 
That said, we should look at alternative dates, given the members of 
the board. As much as I plan in advance, I could be on a plane, plane 
may be delay, etc.


Happy to have a conversation.

Best,

Claudia

Samson Goddy <mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com>
November 15, 2018 at 3:45 PM
Hello Alex


I prefectly understand your concerns. I am very worried about the 
goals for 2018.


But maybe you didn't see the part that we are having an election this 
December.


https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018-2020-candidates

I encourage candidate that want to move the organization forward to 
apply. It involves a lot of commitment and also response to monthly 
meeting.



I remember saying Thank You to you when you created the wiki.

 Ignacio, though your seat isn't up for election yet. But we will 
replace you, as you requested based on the rank of the candidates 
after the election. As the election committee did for Claudia as she 
replace Laura.



I am still pretty excited about the goals and how to implement it.


Regards

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November 15, 2018 at 3:30 PM
TBH. I honestly thought I wasn't a SLOB member anymore :)
I'm in for leaving my seat to another one.

I've got too much work and I can no longer contribute to anything like 
I used when I didn't had responsibilities


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November 15, 2018 at 2:42 PM
I hereby assert that the Sugar Labs Oversight Board has become 
stagnant to the point of near-100% ineffectiveness. It no longer 
serves the intended purpose, and the quality of discourse at the SLOB 
meetings themselves has diminished to near-zero.


Back in June/July of 2018, I created 
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Goals/2018_Submissions from the user 
submissions Sameer had collected into a spreadsheet, and shared them 
to the IAEP mailing list on July 8th. Not a single person responded, 
not even to say a simple "thanks". I would now like to point out the 
following bad behavior, and suggest that the current status quo for 
Sugar Labs oversight is actively detrimental to the health of the 
overall organization.


2018 SLOB meeting attendees by month:

January: walterbender, samsongoddy, CanoeBerry, sverma
February: walterbender, samsongoddy, CanoeBerry, sverma, llaske
March: walterbender, samsongoddy, Claudia, sverma, llaske
April: walterbender, samsongoddy, llaske
May: walterbender (!!!)
June: walterbender, samsongoddy, Claudia,  llaske
July: walterbender, samsongoddy, CanoeBerry, Claudia, sverma
August: walterbender, samsongoody, sverma, llaske
September: walterbender, samsongoddy, llaske
October: walterbender, samsongoddy
November: walterbender, samsongoddy, Claudia


For the SLOB members who cannot be bothered to regularly attend the 
meetings, please review the last few chat logs at:


September - 
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2010/Meeting-log-2018-09-07
October - 
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2010/Meeting-log-2018-10-05
November - 
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018/meeting-log-2018-11-03



So, to recap, for the year so far:

Walter has attended 11/11 meetings
Lionel has attended 5/11 meetings
Sameer has attended 3/11 meetings
Adam has attended 3/11 meetings
Samson has attended 10/11 meetings
Ignacio has attended zero meetings
Claudia has attended 3/11 meetings

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[IAEP] Call to action for inactive SLOBs - attend the meetings or resign your seats

[Alex Perez]

I hereby assert that the Sugar Labs Oversight Board has become stagnant 
to the point of near-100% ineffectiveness. It no longer serves the 
intended purpose, and the quality of discourse at the SLOB meetings 
themselves has diminished to near-zero.


Back in June/July of 2018, I created 
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Goals/2018_Submissions from the user 
submissions Sameer had collected into a spreadsheet, and shared them to 
the IAEP mailing list on July 8th. Not a single person responded, not 
even to say a simple "thanks". I would now like to point out the 
following bad behavior, and suggest that the current status quo for 
Sugar Labs oversight is actively detrimental to the health of the 
overall organization.


2018 SLOB meeting attendees by month:

January: walterbender, samsongoddy, CanoeBerry, sverma
February: walterbender, samsongoddy, CanoeBerry, sverma, llaske
March: walterbender, samsongoddy, Claudia, sverma, llaske
April: walterbender, samsongoddy, llaske
May: walterbender (!!!)
June: walterbender, samsongoddy, Claudia,  llaske
July: walterbender, samsongoddy, CanoeBerry, Claudia, sverma
August: walterbender, samsongoody, sverma, llaske
September: walterbender, samsongoddy, llaske
October: walterbender, samsongoddy
November: walterbender, samsongoddy, Claudia


For the SLOB members who cannot be bothered to regularly attend the 
meetings, please review the last few chat logs at:


September - 
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2010/Meeting-log-2018-09-07
October - 
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2010/Meeting-log-2018-10-05
November - 
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018/meeting-log-2018-11-03



So, to recap, for the year so far:

Walter has attended 11/11 meetings
Lionel has attended 5/11 meetings
Sameer has attended 3/11 meetings
Adam has attended 3/11 meetings
Samson has attended 10/11 meetings
Ignacio has attended zero meetings
Claudia has attended 3/11 meetings

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Re: [IAEP] [sugar-devel] Wiki Page created for all Sugar Labs 2018 Goal Submissions

[Alex Perez]

Folks/SLOBs,

Five months ago, I spent a not-insignificant amount of time triaging the 
unstructured list of proposed goals for 2018, at 
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Goals/2018_Submissions, only to have 
literally ZERO responses once I sent the e-mail below, back in July.


Not one SLOB responded. 2018 is now six weeks from being over, and it is 
clear that the majority of current Sugar Labs Oversight Board members 
can not even be bothered to show up to a majority of their SLOB meetings 
in 2018, much less actually do anything else.



Alex Perez <mailto:ape...@alexperez.com>
July 8, 2018 at 1:09 PM
Sameer,

I've taken a first stab at Wiki-fying the user submissions from the 
Google Form, which were collected between February 13th and March 27th 
of this year.


Please see https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Goals/2018_Submissions and as 
always, feel free to add/expound on the initial ideas, using the links 
to add details to each specific sub-page.


Regards,
Alex Perez
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[IAEP] [sugar-devel] Wiki Page created for all Sugar Labs 2018 Goal Submissions

[Alex Perez]

Sameer,

I've taken a first stab at Wiki-fying the user submissions from the 
Google Form, which were collected between February 13th and March 27th 
of this year.


Please see https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Goals/2018_Submissions and as 
always, feel free to add/expound on the initial ideas, using the links 
to add details to each specific sub-page.


Regards,
Alex Perez
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder and time change

[Alex Perez]

Lionel,

I confess that I find this "do you really need me there?" style of 
thinking rather unfortunate, and personally believe that any SLOB member 
should feel obligated to attend the monthly meetings, unless something 
specific is preventing you from doing so. It was a clear obligation when 
you chose to become a member of the Oversight Board, was it not? 
11PM/2300 is certainly an inconvenient time to be asked to attend a 
meeting you aren't sure has anything relevant for you, so here


We all have real lives, and meeting across many times zones can be 
nearly impossible. I get that the new time is even more inconvenient for 
you than the originally-scheduled time, but I still believe that it is 
really important to have as many board members present, if possible. Is 
there anything you want discussed, that isn't on the agenda?


There is one additional item I would like to propose discussion of at 
today's meting, and that is the Sugar Labs PR page. Back in April, Sean 
Daly mentioned on the SL Marketing mailing list that he was still listed 
as a PR/Press contact, and expressed a desire for that to be fixed. I 
just managed to take care of that, but would like to propose that either 
someone else can be found to be assigned this task, or the page, located 
at https://sugarlabs.org/press.


This page is woefully out of date; The latest item listed under the 
Press Resourecs section is over four years old, and there is a much more 
up-to-date page on the wiki at 
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Current_Events, which should 
probably be considered as the source of truth for such activities.


The latest item listed under the Press Resourecs section is over four 
years old, and there is a much more up-to-date page on the wiki at 
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Current_Events, which should 
probably be considered as the source of truth.


In Sean's original e-mail [1], he wrote:


/

/>>/  You may also want to consider publishing some PR milestones now and then,
/>>/  with the most recent communiqué dating from 2014 any journalist might
/>>/  assume the project is faltering.The GSOC projects are naturals. Social
/>>/  media is great, but poor in terms of distinguishing important events from
/>>/  ongoing activity.
/>>/
/

[1] https://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2018-March/004100.html

Respectfully,
Alex Perez
Sugar Labs Systems Team Volunteer


Lionel Laské <mailto:lionel.la...@gmail.com>
July 6, 2018 at 2:52 AM
Hi Walter,

Not sure to be around.
Is there something specific on the agenda ?

 Lionel.



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July 5, 2018 at 9:50 AM
We have our regular Sugar Labs Oversight Board meeting scheduled for 
Friday, 6 July. Unfortunately I have a conflict at 20:00 UTC. Can we 
meet at 21:00 UTC?


regards.

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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs - Goals for 2018 and beyond

[Alex Perez]

Sameer,

Apologies for top-posting.

For 2018, I would really like to see Sugar Labs get behind and commit to 
getting the core of Sugar working fully with Python 3. I personally 
believe this is critical to its long(er) term success, as Python 2 
continues be deprecated. Python 2 will not be supported at all past 2020 
(see https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0373/)


I asked Walter about the feasibility of this, to which he reiplied "we 
had a GSoC intern do a pretty thorough investigation a few years ago. 
Doesn't look like a lot of work for Sugar itself (or the toolkit). But 
updating all of the activities will be a chore."


Personally I would propose that this be done under contract to someone 
with a very complete understanding of the differences and best coding 
practices between Python 2 and 3 (eg, a "professional"), due to the 
importance of getting this right the first time. Will that cost some 
money? Absolutely, but I suspect that it would be money well spent.


I would appreciate your thoughts on this.


Greetings!

Here is a proposal to solicit various goals towards mission of
Sugarlabs. I am sending this out as per my comments on the recent
#sugar-meeting on IRC.

In the past, I have noticed that whenever we propose to discuss
various goals that this community may pursue, we tend to fail quite
rapidly at not arriving at a consensus. It is not that we have
incorrect ideas about how we think the project should proceed. We tend
to disagree prematurely. To remedy the situation, I am proposing that
we gather opinions from the community about goals and do so in a
manner where it remains temporarily shielded from public view. Then,
at a given time (say two weeks) we make all of these items public.
This may reveal if we have convergent ideas or if we are still very
divergent. Either is okay.

Next, we would try to merge similar items into tangible goals with a
specific time frame. Depending on who the champions are for a specific
goal and its objectives, these people may then band together into an
ad-hoc group and pursue said goals.

The time line for this project is relatively short. I propose that we
collect ideas for two weeks. At the end of two weeks, we would then
make the items public, and solicit more ideas for a third week. At the
end of the third week, we would then try to collate similar responses
into clusters of tangible goals. From there on, each set of goals may
be pursued independently, depending on its sponsors, champions,
supporters and participants.

If this sounds like something that will help us move forward, I am
ready to set this in motion. I have already discussed this with
Hillary Naylor, who is an active participant in our OLPC-SF group.
When it's time to collate responses, I may solicit some more help from
some of you.

cheers,
Sameer
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Professor, Information Systems
San Francisco State University
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Re: [IAEP] 172 XO-1s for $24 each (+ freight) $4,000 total

[Alex Perez]

Walter,

On 2016-06-13 15:02:02 +, Walter Bender said:

Off the top of my head, the bulk chargers do 10 batteries at a time. I 
have two to donate to a large order.


Well, I bought the lot of these, and, in addition, another ~90 units, 
which have various cosmetic issues, such as damaged keyboard membranes, 
damaged LCDs, etc.


Any chance I can borrow those bulk chargers? :)


-walter




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