Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.99.1 (unstable)
Thanks Daniel, That's a great feature list, looking forward to giving this all a spin! Regards, --Gary On 31 Jul 2013, at 18:52, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, this is the first feature frozen release. We landed all the features that we initially planned and a few more. Thanks to everyone involved! Highlights: * Multi selection in the journal * Service providers selection in the modem configuration * Previews in the object chooser * Multiple home views * Microformat activity updater * Automatic activity updates Sources: http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.99.1.tar.xz http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.99.1.tar.xz http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.99.1.tar.xz http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.99.1.tar.xz http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-runner/sugar-runner-0.99.3.tar.xz -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] wiki.sugarlabs.org ongoing maintenance
On 16 Apr 2013, at 06:03, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Today a serious security hole was announced for MediaWiki, so I started a long overdue upgrade of our main wiki. Thanks Bernie! Our wiki has grown quite large and the upgrade from Mediawiki 1.19 to 1.20 required several slow steps, so unfortunately I had to leave before fixing up the local wikis. Meanwhile, please test login and editing and report any problems. No problems logging back in here. Regards, --Gary Tomorrow I'll try to find some time to cleanup any remaining fallout. -- Bernie Innocenti Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOB meeting on January 7
Hi Daniel, On 9 Jan 2013, at 00:31, Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 18:19:13 -0300 Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: Thanks Walter, I want share two ideas to discuss may be in the next meeting: * I want to organize, with guys from UY something related with Python Joven, the work Flavio Danesse has been doing in the last 2 or 3 years. Flavio is doing a very good job, in fact, all, or almost all new hackers in UY, participated in these events (please Daniel correct me if I am wrong). All new hackers in .UY subscribed to the Sugar Labs/OLPC mailing lists participated in at least one event. We live in the same country, but not in the same city/town. I was in Flavio's house one month ago, talking with him, trying to see how this success can be reproduced, but is not so easy. It's as easy as trying to teach students to play a musical instrument in a school classroom. Some few students may feel it easy and fun, but not all of them. I really like that analogy, thanks! :) Regards, --Gary Anyway, we need see how we can help put more events like this in movement, the more difficult part is get teachers involved. +1 * I want work in a web view of the Journal, may be first as a activity, but later integrated in Sugar. If we have this working, I think we can improve the social side of sugar, making easier show results, add comments, likes, etc. If we can have this webview working in the schoolserver too, and sync all the related data, can be a first step in the cloud direction, and is not so difficult to start. I share this here, because is only a idea right now, and may be is related to the comment from Walter. There are some technical parts difficult to decide, but in general I think it's a good idea. Best regards, Daniel. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Ideas for a 3D activity
Hi Ahmed, On 9 Oct 2012, at 17:02, Ahmed MANSOUR atpha...@inbox.com wrote: Hi, Since 3 years I received a XO from the contributor's program to work on a way to run 3D on XO-1.After testing several games[1], the solution I choosed for the project is to use Quake[2] and replace all violent content and proprietary data by free one. as a proof of concept I made a landmine awareness game for children where children would learn avoiding danger through exloring a virtual world [3]. Since it's the only 3D software to run on the laptop, I made the project as a framework so it can be used as a base to build upon other kind of educational games or interactive simulations.[4] I'm looking now for some idea where 3D could be used to enhance learning and your opinion on what kind of activities could benefit from it. Yes I was looking at your work so far a little while ago, very glad to see you make use of the Quake2 engine. A long, long time ago, I was contracted to do some character animation for a (unfortunately) propriety education project using the same engine. I modelled, textured, and animated some friendly cartoon animal humanoid like characters (rabbits, cats, dogs). The project was to use them in a non violent custom world where they would challenge the player with questions and puzzles (mainly text if I remember clearly) to allow the player to proceed through the world. Thought it was a good idea, but the project went quiet so not sure anything ever came of it (they were looking for funding at the time, trying to get to the point of having a good working demo). Wish you the best of luck! If I have some free time I may come and make use of your github framework, it's already in my bookmark menu :) Regards, --Gary [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/3D_Graphics [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake_%28video_game%29 [3] http://www.rhok.org/problems/eviltoys-mine-risk-education-children-using-3d-game [4] https://github.com/atphalix/eviltoys Publish your photos in seconds for FREE TRY IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if4 ___ support-gang mailing list support-g...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Has anyone build a set of gears in Etoys or any other freely available program?
Hi Steve, On 6 Jul 2012, at 22:22, Steve Thomas wrote: I got I asked my class to play LightBot and then asked them: How this is like and not like programming This lead into one kids responding its like mabey small motors and gears (wish I knew what was going on in her mind, I'll ask in the next class) So I responded: I was on the Battleship NJ (commissioned in 1943). They had a computer on board to calculate the angle and direction of the big guns and could hit a target miles away within a few yards!!! Pretty impressive when you have to consider they had to take into account the ships speed and direction, wind speed, waves and the recoil from the guns firing. The whole computer was built using gears which controlled BIG motors to move the gun. Here's a pop quiz (you will be graded on this and it will go on your PERMANENT record :) What is the oldest computer we know about? I then asked them to think about and email me an answer to: What is a computer? I then added the caveat, non-biological computer, as a bunch came back with the answer the brain. I found a nice video on a Lego version of the oldest know computer here. So I want to get them to try and build some adding machines (and I will see if we can find enough lego parts amonst us to do that as it would be best), but in case I can't, and just for fun. Has anyone build a set of gears in Etoys or any other freely available program? I'm planning to add a set of built in gear templates to the Physics [1] activity, but in the mean time it is possible (but difficult) to create them by hand, or more ideally use the plugin for TurtleArt [2] that allows you to generate scenes procedurally/accurately in LOGO for the Physics activity to then simulate. Regards, --Gary [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Physics [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt#Physics Thanks, Stephen ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Bill Gates Says Tablets Aren't Much Help In Education
On 27 Jun 2012, at 12:53, Walter Bender wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Finally I can claim to be agreement with Bill Gates about something: And just in time for MS to announce that they too are making a tablet :P With a keyboard Good point. I give them kudos for that. I've never seen anyone use an iPad productively without a keyboard. Hey, what is this, a 1960s the touch typists convention? :P --Gary -walter -walter Just giving people devices has a really horrible track record. You really have to change the curriculum and the teacher. And it's never going to work on a device where you don't have a keyboard-type input. Students aren't there just to read things. They're actually supposed to be able to write and communicate. And so it's going to be more in the PC realm—it's going to be a low-cost PC that lets them be highly interactive. Full interview: http://chronicle.com/article/A-Conversation-With-Bill-Gates/132591/ Slashdot commentary: http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/06/26/1946211/bill-gates-says-tablets-arent-much-help-in-education -- _ // Bernie Innocenti \X/ http://codewiz.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Website Revamp IRC Mtg 1-8-12 11:00amEST(16:00UTC)
Hi Christian, On 8 Jan 2012, at 19:21, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all We met today on IRC to discuss the website design and content, but not many were present. It is important that we get your feedback as the work on the website progresses. Therefor, I am looking to reschedule our meeting to another time that works for everyone. See John's original email below: We are looking for feedback on the design as well as volunteers to help us generate content for the new website. Does this coming Saturday 14th at 11:00am EST/16:00 UTC work for everyone? Or is a time during the week better? Suggestions welcome. Sorry I'll be traveling by train, but I might be able to connect to irc if the mobile signal is reasonable. Regards, --Gary Thank you, Christian On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 4:10 PM, John Tierney jtis4...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello All, Happy New Year! As the New Year starts we are making another effort to restart the Sugar Labs Website Revamp. Designer and community member Christian Marc Schmidt has put together a Design Template along with a Sugar Labs Website Refresh: Content Document. These two documents along with the work and content gathering done by RIT Co-op students Mike Devine and JT Mengel last year will hopefully give us solid basis to start from. Our Kick-off IRC meeting will take place this Sunday Jan. 8th on#sugar-meeting at 11:00amEST(16:00UTC), after the Design Meeting surrounding Write To Journal Anytime taking place at 10:00amEST. Please join us if you are available-our key shortcoming last year in our attempt was a lack of content to effectively create the new site. All help is Welcome and needed. Because this is in the Building and Design stage please email me at: jtis4...@hotmail.com to get links to the preview documents if you are interested in being part of the process. Our First Step is to give Christian the Thumbs Up/Make Enhancements to the Design. Our Second Step will look to get individual community members to take responsibility in Content Gathering Areas that flow out of the documents Christian has prepared. Our Third Step is to execute Content Gathering Upon receiving enough content Christian will then commence the build phase. We hope you can join us on Sunday and look forward to working with the community to do this important work. Please let us know of your interest in taking part in this important endeavor. Appreciate the Collaboration! John Tierney P.S. Please get into the hands of those who will be best able to assist-Thank You! -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.facebook.com/christianmarcschmidt http://www.linkedin.com/in/christianmarcschmidt http://twitter.com/cms_ Skype: christianmarcschmidt ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] RFC:Simple Help widget for activities
Hi Manuel, On 17 Mar 2012, at 18:38, Manuel Quiñones wrote: El día 15 de marzo de 2012 10:48, Pablo Flores pflor...@gmail.com escribió: For B. either mallard (like GNOME does) or a wiki page can be used. We can add a shortcut in the activities to open them. IIUC it would be a button that would open Browse with the activity's help pages, right? I like this idea. In this case, there should be for every activity a core documentation that keeps maintained and can be installed (for having help even being offline... and for being sure the documentation corresponds with the version of the activity and sugar that's being used). If we're going this way, having the wiki pages of activities updated would be a high priority when it comes to Sugar documentation (to be considered for the April's documentation sprint participants). It would also require this documentation to be updated every time a new version of the activity is developed with changes to the user experience (to be considered in the development cycles). Yeah, also see mallard, GNOME apps use that: http://projectmallard.org/ BTW I'm afraid jumping into the browser when looking for help may be confusing for unexperienced users, but I don't have a proposed solution for this :( We should come with a real solution for opening one activity from inside another, in a way that is not disturbing for the little user. That is, we should ensure that she/he _wants_ to do it. I think I've mentioned this once before, but how about if we use the Sugar alert strip UI, much like we use it in Browse 'Show in Journal' when an object is downloaded? It would be something like a 'Start object_title with default_activity?' message. This would allow the user to Cancel if triggered by mistake (or maliciously/automatically), and mean the user is directly interacting with the dialogue to trigger the activity Start. It would need to be a new type of Sugar shell alert, I guess, for security (e.g. Sugar shell enforces the user interaction handover before the object is started by the new activity). Note that this generates a NEW activity object in the Journal each and every time an activity is used to launch another with an object. You would need to use the Journal (or home view) to resume an already created object if you didn't want another new instance generated (ideally the FS or datastore is/would be smart enough when identical unmodified objects are created to save storage space). Regards, --Gary -- .. manuq .. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] RFC:Simple Help widget for activities
Hi Manuel,
On 9 Mar 2012, at 03:36, Manuel Quiñones wrote:
Hi Gonzalo,
El día 7 de marzo de 2012 09:37, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org escribió:
We receive many times request about adding help in the activities,
and if is true Sugar propose a exploratory approach,
not all the people learn in the same way,
and there are people who prefer a little guidance.
For the development we need a simple api, and easy i18n,
and a non obtrusive experience for the user.
Inspired by the DescriptionItem, I was experimenting with a widget to add
simple help to activities.
This is not:
* A manual
* Lessons
* Tips
Is a short startup help for the activity.
I think tips can be better than direct guidance. Do this, then do
that manner is counterproductive for exploration. Of course tips can
be ordered in a convenient way, is a matter of manners. Would be
better to see each section at once instead of a large scrollable list.
I imagine a slideshow with back/forward buttons.
Also I think visual help can be used instead of text when possible, so
would be great if the widget allows it. Images can be understand by
early children, and are universal, so no need to translate. Of course
a little paragraph below the image can be convenient too.
Here is a mockup I did for the same activity with this ideas:
http://dev.laptop.org/~manuq/simple_help_mock.png
What do people think?
I think Gonzalo's mockup is a more attainable goal for most activities, it's
using standard UI feature designs as used already else where in Sugar, and
introduces no new metaphors (e.g. the iOS/iTunes like page dots). The trick (in
either case) will be to keep them short and to the point, too much text, or too
much fine detail and few will read much of them – writing the one for Calculate
or Write is going to be a challenge to get right ;-)
At a side note, many iOS apps take the startup help route where they provide a
graphical overlay that indicates what each button does (sometimes several
overlays are needed for each different app view). These provide plenty of
flexibility to the developer for the types of information they include (mixed
text, graphics, even animation), and they place the help in context next to the
real widgets; however they are harder to localise for more than a few languages
and require reliable alpha compositing support for fullscreen overlays (ideally
through hardware). Folding this information into a single palette, as per
Gonzalo's mockup, looses the spacial information context (though the existing
palette hints are still there for context if needed), but it seems a good
design for us to provide some additional information and help point a user in
the right direction.
Regards,
--Gary
Use only text and the icons already used by the activity.
A example can be seen here:
http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/images/simple_graph_help.png
In the activity we only need do:
helpitem = HelpButton()
toolbar.insert(helpitem, -1)
helpitem.show()
helpitem.add_section(_('Basic usage'))
helpitem.add_paragraph(_('First you need add data to create the
graphic'))
helpitem.add_paragraph(_('You can add data with this button'),
'row-insert')
helpitem.add_paragraph(_('...or remove data with this button'),
'row-remove')
helpitem.add_paragraph(_('To change the graphic title, just change the
activity title'))
This proposal is late for sugar 0.96, but may be we can try it in one or two
activities,
and start thinking about this topic.
I really like the help in the Implode activity, but have the following
problems:
* I don't know if apply to other type of activities.
* Is modal
* need a lot of code to implement it.
Comments?
Gonzalo
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] RFC:Simple Help widget for activities
Hi Gonzalo,
On 7 Mar 2012, at 12:37, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:
We receive many times request about adding help in the activities,
and if is true Sugar propose a exploratory approach,
not all the people learn in the same way,
and there are people who prefer a little guidance.
For the development we need a simple api, and easy i18n,
and a non obtrusive experience for the user.
Inspired by the DescriptionItem, I was experimenting with a widget to add
simple help to activities.
This is not:
* A manual
* Lessons
* Tips
Is a short startup help for the activity.
Use only text and the icons already used by the activity.
A example can be seen here:
http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/images/simple_graph_help.png
+1 for using this help palette design element where appropriate in activities.
It's relatively light weight for developers/translators to support and a good
place where front line educator feedback can be directly used. Though do lets
try to keep an eye on the total number of toolbutton widgets, we don't want
Stop falling off the end! ;)
Regards,
--Gary
In the activity we only need do:
helpitem = HelpButton()
toolbar.insert(helpitem, -1)
helpitem.show()
helpitem.add_section(_('Basic usage'))
helpitem.add_paragraph(_('First you need add data to create the graphic'))
helpitem.add_paragraph(_('You can add data with this button'),
'row-insert')
helpitem.add_paragraph(_('...or remove data with this button'),
'row-remove')
helpitem.add_paragraph(_('To change the graphic title, just change the
activity title'))
This proposal is late for sugar 0.96, but may be we can try it in one or two
activities,
and start thinking about this topic.
I really like the help in the Implode activity, but have the following
problems:
* I don't know if apply to other type of activities.
* Is modal
* need a lot of code to implement it.
Comments?
Gonzalo
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Re: [IAEP] play dvds
Hi Ken, On 5 Mar 2012, at 20:10, Ken Hargesheimer minifa...@gmail.com wrote: I leave for Indonesia on the 15 Mar to teach organic, no-till farming. This is my 21st country to live in or visit. I average more than one trip per year. I work with subsistence farmers. Billions of people need the educational video dvds and the data dvds that I have and that thousands of others have. Most cannot access the internet or can't afford the cost. I mail thousands of DVDs each year to developing countries. I thought that if they could be played on the OX, it would open up a new use for DVDs I burn and print them and they cost me about 35¢ to do that. Are there any licensing restrictions on the material? If not, it could be converted to an XO friendly format (say OOG'ish) and made available via the internet* (I'd suggest in chapters or short clips) so deployments could download, evaluate, and distribute if they thought it valuable for their local community. Is it available online already? Perhaps somewhere like Dailymotion would be good: http://www.dailymotion.com/sugarlabs ...as they support XO/Sugar friendly formats. --Gary * I know you're trying to target folks off grid, but making the material available online would allow others to easily evaluate and distribute it to their local community themselves. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of children's dvds available. ken Hargesheimer ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Easter Egg Time
Hi Caryl, On 10 Dec 2011, at 20:40, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi Again, Very interesting... I tried it on 2 different XOs this morning. It showed up on one but not the other. I think it may have been a case of the clock being set to an incorrect time. I haven't checked that yet. I took a screenshot, if anyone is interested in seeing it. The two things to check are that your time zone and date/time are correct. I do have a feature to add to Moon so it displays the current date/time, that way it would be a little more obvious to notice if the clock or timezone is incorrect. I also went outside in the chilly morning to see the real thing. Seemed strange to be watching a lunar eclipse as the sun was coming up. Very nice! Glad you got to see it for real, I'm on the wrong side of the planet here. Regards, --Gary Caryl P.S. This is the only Easter Egg I have found in Sugar so far, but it was quite by accident. There may be others. Has anyone else found any? There used to be some on the old Apple iis. Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:53:26 -0500 From: kevin.m...@verizon.net To: support-g...@lists.laptop.org CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Easter Egg Time On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 07:56:47PM -0800, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi All, If you have an XO handy, here is something you might want to see. Open the Moon Activity sometime around 6:10 AM PST (14:00 UT) and see what you find. If you are living west of the Rockies in the US, you probably can guess what it will be. If not, you can also go to this website for a live feed of the event: http://bit.ly/rSwGbe You really need to be sure you know what the Moon Activity looks like normally. You can see that before or after the Easter Egg makes its appearance. I first saw this about a year ago. I hope it still works! Caryl Easter eggs are a tradition for programmers, its sort-of like 'gameification' but before it became cool. I hope there are more to find. -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux ==.| http://kevix.myopenid.com..| | : :' : The Universal OS| mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/.| | `. `' http://www.debian.org/.| http://counter.li.org [#238656]| |___`-Unless I ask to be CCd,.assume I am subscribed._| Limitation Who recognizes his limitations is healthy; Who ignores his limitations is sick. The sage recognizes this sickness as a limitation. And so becomes immune. -- Lao Tse, Tao Te Ching ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] OLPC computers spotted on a photo from 2015
Hi Christoph, On 3 Oct 2011, at 15:54, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: If I'm not mistaken they're simply running the Scratch activity - which visually hasn't been adapted to Sugar so far. If I understand their design decisions, I think 'so far' is hoping too much for a closer UI fit with other Sugar activities. Their goal is that it should look as identical as possible on all supported platforms, making it a standard 'a platform' in its own right. It does at least now offer the support of saving to the Journal (thanks Bert). You still have to go through their save dialogue, select the 'Journal' and type a file name, but it at least remembers all that if you resume a project previously saved to the Journal. Reminds me... I must try sending those new Scratch Journal entries to a friend and see if it transfers OK between machines (should be fine as long as the correct MIME details have been set). Regards, --Gary Cheers, Christoph Am 03.10.2011 16:45, schrieb James Simmons: The computers don't seem to be running Sugar, though. James Simmons On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.com mailto:droujk...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.futuretimeline.net/21stcentury/2015.htm Cheers, Maria Droujkova 919-388-1721 tel:919-388-1721 Make math your own, to make your own math ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Christoph Derndorfer editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] How can we help kids get into the habits of looking for all possible causes and counter examples to problems?
On 3 Oct 2011, at 18:35, Frederick Grose wrote:
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:58 AM, nanon...@mediagala.com wrote:
On 02/10/2011 09:07 a.m., Maria Droujkova wrote:
...I have never had to do anything with REASONS for seasons or phases of the
moon, outside of curriculum design. Have you?
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One reason to think about phases of the moon on our normal life is the fact
that people on the north hemisphere see the moon upsidedown. Or the
opposite: people on the southern hemisphere see the moon upsidedown.
We can use that knowledge on our normal life: On the calendar we can see the
icons of phases of the mooon, but those icons were designed by northern
people, with the crescent moon like a D and the Waning Moon like a C,
but in the southern hemisphere is the opposite, crescent moon is a C and
waning moon is a D. (the people that designs calendar on the south repeat
like parrots the things that northern people designs, so they draw the moon
in the opposite way)
In northern hemisphere the mooon is liar, because she is a C when she is
de-crescent, and she is a D when she is Crescent, but here on the south
the moon tell us the truth.
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For example: a child in Uruguay could take a picture of the moon and send to
a child in Canada, the same day, so they can compare that fact. and maybe
another child on the equator can send another picture that shows the moon on
the middle, like an U.
This suggests that in Gary Martin's Moon activity,
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Moon
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/sugar/addon/4034
the hemisphere toggle control should instead control rotation of the view
between the north and south extremes.
That might help you if you wake up in a strange land and need clues to your
location.
Thanks for the feedback, unfortunately it requires 1) correct local time, 2)
reasonably accurate longitude and latitude position, and some rather complex
maths for calculating/using the positions of the Sun, Moon, Earth and your
position on it – I have some of this math/code but it is not so accurate,
current data in Moon is generated from 1min accurate public data tables
provided by NASA (including Luna eclipses and Solar eclipses).
Any one know of some python based Open Source compatible source that is
available? When I've previously dug about for an existing solution, I've
usually ended up discovering things based on property blobs we could not
legally ship/publish.
Regards,
--Gary
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[IAEP] Design Team Report
Sugar Teams Update Report, September 2011 Name of team: Design Team Mission statement: The mission of the Design Team is to make Sugar beautiful, elegant, and highly functional for our target users. Short Term Goals (three–six months): 1. Write updated Sugar HIG. 2. Work with Activity Team to finish implementation of the ongoing Activity UI review. 3. Improve Home view Start new/Resume work flow. 4. Improve Group view. 5. Improve touch based UI support. Medium Term Goals (6 months–one year): 1. Work on Sugar UI design changes for improved support on touch only based interfaces (e.g. virtual keyboard support). 2. Revisit original Sugar design goals and see if any are able move forward (overlay chat, bulletin board, Journal object vs action view, Journal versioning UI, etc). Long Term Goals (one year–three years): 1. NA What does the team see as its constraints from being more successful in its Mission? Ability to gather feedback and usage information from our target users to help complete the design loop. What are you doing to try to resolve the constraint? Mining mail lists, wikis, blogs, for any thing that might be appropriate. What can Sugar Labs 'central' or the community do to help? Provide more feedback about how Sugar is being used by our target users so we can refine, or replace design elements. Manuel Gary ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Activity Team Report
Sugar Teams Update Report, September 2011 Name of team: Activity Team Mission statement: The Activity Team develops and maintains many of the activities available for Sugar. We encourage independent developers to write and maintain activities, and we support them in their efforts. Our goal is to ensure that Sugar provides a complete set of high quality educational, collaborative, constructivist activities. Short Term Goals (three–six months): 1. Finish implementation of the UI review with guidance of the Design Team. 2. Write a criteria for inclusion of activities into the core activities group. 3. Create a list of core activities, with the maintainers responsible for each one of them. 4. Re-start Activity Team IRC meetings. 5. Look to the Development Team for a best practice recommendation for GTK3, PyGI activity migration and Sugar 0.96 red flag day changes. Medium Term Goals (6 months–one year): 1. Promote co-maintainership of Core Activities. 2. Identify code repeated in activities, and useful in sugar-toolkit, and help to improve it, doing easier the work to activity developers. 3). Try to gather more feedback on actual activity use by children in deployments to help focus development effort (Journal metadata analysis, teacher feedback, deployment team feedback). 4). Look to the Design Team to help work towards adoption of UI changes needed for the support of touch based interfaces. Long Term Goals (one year–three years): 1. Design, develop, or support an activity (or Sugar shell component) useful to edit/create activities. What does the team see as its constraints from being more successful in its Mission? Finding developers willing to maintain activity code over the longer term. What are you doing to try to resolve the constraint? We will restart periodic IRC meetings (probably once a fortnight) to try and re-engague activity developers. What can Sugar Labs 'central' or the community do to help? Get involved in some way with Activity testing, review, feedback, opening bug or enhancement tickets, documentation, lesson plan writing, video tutorials – so that activity developers are not working in a vacuum. More feedback from the bottom up would be wonderful (children/teacher/deployment - activity developers) Gonzalo Gary ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Anyone up for a post Sugar Camp Hack Day? (was: Registration for the Sugar Camp in Paris (sept) are now open)
Hi Christoph, On 11 Aug 2011, at 09:25, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, speaking to Sascha earlier today he mentioned the idea of having a small post Sugar Camp Hack Day or something. I had already bought my flights for September 9 (Friday) to 14 (Wednesday) anyway so I'll definitely be in town. I assume many others of the registered participants (http://fr.amiando.com/olpcfrance-sugarcamp2011.html;jsessionid=57C0354E37E6A4A314890B401B6EEF56.web02?page=571393) are buying their tickets these days as well so it would be good to get a head count of who would be up for such an event:-) I think this is a great idea. I'm looking into the possibility of attending, but that weekend is a bit complicated with some university and moving commitments (Monday OTOH would be fine). I'd like to push PyGI/GTK3 porting as the main activity of such a hack day... http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/GTK3 Please keep me informed on accommodation as well. Just a quick reminder: Is anyone else up for such a post-camp hack day? Ping. Yea I'll try and stay at least one extra day (FWIW: I've not booked anything yet). Regards, --Gary Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Proposed New K-12 Science Framework
Hi Walter, On 27 Jul 2011, at 02:34, Walter Bender wrote: On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Caryl, On 26 Jul 2011, at 06:07, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi Everyone, I received an email today from eSchool News with a link to a very important document everyone at OLPC and Sugar Labs should familiarize themselves with. It is the new K-12 Science Framework published by the National Academies of the United States. It is still in the pre-publication stage, but pdf files of the uncorrected chapters are available for free download at this link: https://download.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=13165#orgs Not sure if it's of help (having not read any of the content yet), but I downloaded the full pdf, extracted the text and generated a quick self organising map to give an overview of what the document covers: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:K-12_science_education_framework_13165_som.jpg It would be cool to see what some of these look like as well: http://www3.newton.k12.ma.us/content/grade-level-curriculum These are based on the Grade K to 8 overview documents (Curriculum Overview Documents for Parents, Your Child's Year in Grades K- 8): http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Grade_K_2010_som.jpg http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Grade_1_2010_som.jpg http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Grade_2_2010_som.jpg http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Grade_3_2010_som.jpg http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Grade_4_2010_som.jpg http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Grade_5_2010_som.jpg http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Grade_6_2010_som.jpg http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Grade_7_2010_som.jpg http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Grade_8_2010_som.jpg Note: I excluded the term use/uses as it had such a high frequency relative to all others without adding much in the way of interesting associations. Curiously the Grade_7_2010.pdf document didn't follow this pattern so I wonder if it came from a different author/source originally. Did you want maps for the Grade Level Benchmark documents as well? Regards, --Gary -walter Regards, --Gary We need to be aware of the content with this book as it will shape future science and engineering education in the United States. If we want Sugar to be relevant and useful for teachers, knowing what they are charged with teaching and the methods they will be asked to use will help us better serve them. Since it has a total of 270 pages, and I just finished downloading it (chapter by chapter), I can't comment on the contents. But, this should be fuel for some interesting discussions in the next few weeks if the rest of you take the time to download and take an in depth look at what is there. Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Proposed New K-12 Science Framework
Hi Caryl, On 26 Jul 2011, at 06:07, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi Everyone, I received an email today from eSchool News with a link to a very important document everyone at OLPC and Sugar Labs should familiarize themselves with. It is the new K-12 Science Framework published by the National Academies of the United States. It is still in the pre-publication stage, but pdf files of the uncorrected chapters are available for free download at this link: https://download.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=13165#orgs Not sure if it's of help (having not read any of the content yet), but I downloaded the full pdf, extracted the text and generated a quick self organising map to give an overview of what the document covers: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:K-12_science_education_framework_13165_som.jpg Regards, --Gary We need to be aware of the content with this book as it will shape future science and engineering education in the United States. If we want Sugar to be relevant and useful for teachers, knowing what they are charged with teaching and the methods they will be asked to use will help us better serve them. Since it has a total of 270 pages, and I just finished downloading it (chapter by chapter), I can't comment on the contents. But, this should be fuel for some interesting discussions in the next few weeks if the rest of you take the time to download and take an in depth look at what is there. Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] [ANNOUNCE] Sugar Labs Licensing Referendum (non-binding) results
Hi Luke, I was surprised as I had no recollection at all of the original email (subscribed to way too many Sugar related lists), but after some digging found it had been clobbered as junk email, so not sure who else this may have hit, but thought it worth mentioning. Regards, --Gary On 10 Jul 2011, at 23:45, Luke Faraone wrote: On 06/14/2011 05:42 PM, Luke Faraone wrote: This is a vote to determine the suggested license for future releases of Sugar. This poll will run from right now until Wed Jun 29 2011 at midnight UTC-4. Sorry for the late update; the reporting mechanism for our voting software temporarily broke. Summary: the winner was **GNU GPL version 3, or any later version**. ## Results Details ## 55 out of 217 eligible members voted, or a little more than ¼. The full results of this election ranked the candidates in order of preference (from most preferred to least preferred): 1. GNU GPL version 3, or any later version 2. GNU GPL version 2, or any later version 3. Don't know or don't care Each number in the table below shows how many times the candidate on the left beat the matching candidate on the top. The winner is on the top of the left column. v3 v2 DC v3-- 34 37 v221 -- 42 DC18 13 -- Based on a sheer count of 1st place votes, v3 received 49% of the vote, v2 received 29% of the vote, and the apathetic position received the remaining 22% of the vote. Full details (and alternative election method calculations) are visible at the Selectricity page linked in the original voting ticket email. Thanks, Luke Faraone Sugar Labs, Systems ✉: l...@sugarlabs.org I: lfaraone on irc.freenode.net ___ support-gang mailing list support-g...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] [ANNOUNCE] Sugar Labs Licensing Referendum (non-binding) results
Hi Luke, On 11 Jul 2011, at 16:43, Luke Faraone wrote: On 07/10/2011 10:23 PM, Gary Martin wrote: I was surprised as I had no recollection at all of the original email (subscribed to way too many Sugar related lists), but after some digging found it had been clobbered as junk email, so not sure who else this may have hit, but thought it worth mentioning. Odd. Did you at least get the mail from Selectricity? Not that I was aware of, but I just did a search for selectricity and found a June 15th email [Sugar Labs Licensing Referendum (non-binding)] Election Begun! again tagged as spam and unread. I'm using gmail, it usually does an excellent job with spam, so something's clearly triggered their filters. --Gary -- Luke Faraone Sugar Labs, Systems ✉: l...@sugarlabs.org I: lfaraone on irc.freenode.net ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Olidata computers in Uruguay
On 17 Jun 2011, at 14:42, Esteban Bordón wrote: Thanks. We'll try to start to fix the most interest activities. Thanks for your screenshots. I've created a ticket for Cartoon Builder, TamTamMini, and Distance, if you could report and take more screenshots of other activities you discover that would be very helpful: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2900 http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2901 http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2902 Some background FWIW: Much of Sugar and its activities were designed with the 1200x900 screen in mind, luckily with the XO screen rotation feature most developers were also often reminded and aware of needing to make sure their design layouts were flexible enough to work at 900x1200. When Sugar Labs was spun off from OLPC to work on Sugar, there was much effort from SL to make Sugar more hardware agnostic and work on more traditional laptops, part of this meant that 1024x768 was much more commonly being used and tested by developers; and the default when running Sugar in a window under Gnome was 800x600, which has been generally treated as the worst case scenario. So it's that 480 vertical pixels count, a reduction of 120 from our assumed worst case, that's catching some of us out ;-) Regards, --Gary regards, Esteban. 2011/6/17 Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Esteban Bordón ebor...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: In most cases the problem is specific of the activities, then people must modify the activities one by one. 2011/6/16 Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com Hello Esteban (and all), It would be wonderful if you or someone else could write up some very easy to follow instructions for doing the screen scaling, in Spanish, for the teachers in Uruguay. Don't assume anything. Pretend the teacher is a total beginner (on the Olidata many will be). Make it a Grannie's Guide type document and they will love you forever for doing it! Caryl (aka GrannieB) From: ebor...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:58:43 -0300 To: garycmar...@googlemail.com CC: IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org; yamap...@gmail.com; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Olidata computers in Uruguay One of the most noticeable source for incompatibilities seems to be screen definition, 800x600 in the Olidata, and thus several Activities are cropped, Screen definition is 800x480 ... Ouch, quite a few Activity toolbars will likely overflow at 800x600 (overflow widgets land in a drop down menu in the far right of the toolbar that shows the text from the tool button hint only). The XO is a 1200x900 screen, about a year or two back there was general consensus that we should try and make sure Activities worked well down too 1024x768 as that was common in emulated environments and regular laptops/desktops. These 800x600 display machines will want to make sure they are running Sugar using an environmental variable of SUGAR_SCALING=72, this will shrink the UI scale down to fit the lower screen resolution. SUGAR_SCALING currently only has an effect at either 72 (works well for 800x600 and 1024x768) or 100 (for 1200x900 or larger). With SUGAR_SCALING=72 Sugar have some problems showing properties of a journal entry for example. I trying to set lower values of SUGAR_SCALING but I have not getting good results. Regards, Esteban. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel I've created a ticket to track the Journal Detail View problem: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2899 regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Olidata computers in Uruguay
Hi Sean, On 17 Jun 2011, at 16:39, Sean DALY wrote: FYI, I acquired a Gen1 Classmate with 7 screen (an Olidata JumPc) for testing purposes two years ago and with Martin Langhoff's help filed a ticket on this issue: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/868 Thanks, yes that ended up as closed as a duplicate of: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/308 Which is reported as fixed (though not something I have tested myself). If reports filtering through that Uyaguay have indeed already purchased 30,000 (!!) of these for use by teachers then we need to try and get tickets open for all the major cases. Hopefully we will also see some support from the Uy deployment as when saving money thru buying cheaper but different spec hardware, putting some efforts in bringing the needed software up to the deployments requirements must be expected. this photo of mine may be helpful to see what we're talking about: http://www.flickr.com/photos/39656470@N02/3648785920/in/photostream Thanks, I think I also caught a photo of it from the recent EduJam flickr stream, nice to see you were well ahead of the storm front ;-) I remember being told that there were no plans to scale Sugar screens to work with 480, that 600 was the minimum I'm happy to tweak activities I directly maintain if needed, and provide some design suggestions for others if needed (as long as we don't degrade the experience for the majority). But if the 30k Uy purchase of these machines is an accurate report, we should try to help where we can (understanding that the majority of us are volunteers putting what free time we have into the effort). Regards, --Gary Sean On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: On 17 Jun 2011, at 14:42, Esteban Bordón wrote: Thanks. We'll try to start to fix the most interest activities. Thanks for your screenshots. I've created a ticket for Cartoon Builder, TamTamMini, and Distance, if you could report and take more screenshots of other activities you discover that would be very helpful: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2900 http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2901 http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2902 Some background FWIW: Much of Sugar and its activities were designed with the 1200x900 screen in mind, luckily with the XO screen rotation feature most developers were also often reminded and aware of needing to make sure their design layouts were flexible enough to work at 900x1200. When Sugar Labs was spun off from OLPC to work on Sugar, there was much effort from SL to make Sugar more hardware agnostic and work on more traditional laptops, part of this meant that 1024x768 was much more commonly being used and tested by developers; and the default when running Sugar in a window under Gnome was 800x600, which has been generally treated as the worst case scenario. So it's that 480 vertical pixels count, a reduction of 120 from our assumed worst case, that's catching some of us out ;-) Regards, --Gary regards, Esteban. 2011/6/17 Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Esteban Bordón ebor...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: In most cases the problem is specific of the activities, then people must modify the activities one by one. 2011/6/16 Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com Hello Esteban (and all), It would be wonderful if you or someone else could write up some very easy to follow instructions for doing the screen scaling, in Spanish, for the teachers in Uruguay. Don't assume anything. Pretend the teacher is a total beginner (on the Olidata many will be). Make it a Grannie's Guide type document and they will love you forever for doing it! Caryl (aka GrannieB) From: ebor...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:58:43 -0300 To: garycmar...@googlemail.com CC: IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org; yamap...@gmail.com; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Olidata computers in Uruguay One of the most noticeable source for incompatibilities seems to be screen definition, 800x600 in the Olidata, and thus several Activities are cropped, Screen definition is 800x480 ... Ouch, quite a few Activity toolbars will likely overflow at 800x600 (overflow widgets land in a drop down menu in the far right of the toolbar that shows the text from the tool button hint only). The XO is a 1200x900 screen, about a year or two back there was general consensus that we should try and make sure Activities worked well down too 1024x768 as that was common in emulated environments and regular laptops/desktops. These 800x600 display machines will want to make sure they are running Sugar using an environmental variable of SUGAR_SCALING=72, this will shrink the UI scale down to fit the lower screen resolution. SUGAR_SCALING currently only has an effect at either 72 (works well
Re: [IAEP] Easter Egg In Moon Activity?
Hi Caryl, On 14 Jun 2011, at 16:31, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, Is there an Easter Egg in the Moon Activity? Last December I turned on my XO to see what the moon would look like durning the last Lunar Eclipse. It was pink! :) Was this a fluke? ... my imagination? or a fun thing put in by the developer of the Moon Activity? Don't know for sure. But, even though the eclipse, set for tomorrow in parts of Europe, Asia, Africa, and Australia, won't be visable in North America, it might be on the XO! Be sure to check the time... there is an international date line involved. When the eclipse ended, the moon returned to a greyscale image. Yes, luna and solar eclipse events are in Moon. I have somewhat limited data [1] and compositing [2] options for a realistic and very time accurate rendering of what you may really see (the Moon activity renders an Earth centric view with no knowledge of where on the surface of the planet you may be), but it does try to visually mark the event. Also note in the bottom left, the information panel shows the upcoming luna/sola eclipse time. Regards, --Gary [1] I'm using nice (but fairly small) slice of accurate dataset NASA kindly provide for public use, I've avoided most dynamic algorithms so far as I'm worried they have license terms that break under OSS distribution, and I'm not a lawyer. I do have one set I might be able to use, but it is not as accurate. [2] Hoping to switch to a different drawing api's so I can do more interesting things with the visuals. Here is a link to see whether it will be visible in the sky where you are (weather permitting): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Visibility_Lunar_Eclipse_2011-06-15.png Check your XOs to see if it is there too. If it isn't, it should be! (Hint!) Caryl I wonder if there is a corona when we have a solar eclipse??? (another Hint!) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] OLPC in Science-Subjects --- NEED HELP!!!
Hi Johanna, On 12 May 2011, at 20:08, Johanna Wener johanna.we...@chello.at wrote: Hello Everybody! I’m studying at the University of teacher education in graz in austria to become a teacher for primary school. For my final thesis I’m working in a class with olpcs to find out which programmes can be used in the subjects of science. I worked with FotoToon, Labyrinth, InfoSlicer and many more. Just wanted to confirm that Labyrinth does support exporting its maps as PDF so you can use them in resolution independent ways elsewhere if needed. I rarely print anything myself, but I'd suggest popping in a USB memory stick and using Journal to drag the PDF to the stick, then take the stick over to a machine set up to use your printer (or email). Here's a screen grab of the Labyrinth toolbar with the PDF export button: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Labyrinth_Toolbar_1.png Regards, --Gary The big problem I have is, that everything that the children do on the olpc could not be used for learning because there is no way to print their works out. We tried to make a screenshot and send it by mail – doesnt work! And we have no chance to print out anything we worked on! Can anybody help us? Nice greets Johanna Wener ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Olidata computers in Uruguay
On 2 May 2011, at 16:47, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: the Sur list is following this thread in detail, I just wanted to share a FYI for developers. 30,000 Olidata laptops have been purchased by Ceibal at $130 apiece and teachers are being upgraded to those, trading in their XOs. Thanks for raising this issue! I've cc:ed the sugar-devel list as it's the first I've read of this. One of the most noticeable source for incompatibilities seems to be screen definition, 800x600 in the Olidata, and thus several Activities are cropped, Ouch, quite a few Activity toolbars will likely overflow at 800x600 (overflow widgets land in a drop down menu in the far right of the toolbar that shows the text from the tool button hint only). The XO is a 1200x900 screen, about a year or two back there was general consensus that we should try and make sure Activities worked well down too 1024x768 as that was common in emulated environments and regular laptops/desktops. These 800x600 display machines will want to make sure they are running Sugar using an environmental variable of SUGAR_SCALING=72, this will shrink the UI scale down to fit the lower screen resolution. SUGAR_SCALING currently only has an effect at either 72 (works well for 800x600 and 1024x768) or 100 (for 1200x900 or larger). There will likely still be activities drawing their canvas with hard coded expectations of screen size, but hopefully these will be reasonably few in number by now. Please file a ticket if you find any (bugs.sugarlabs.org), or feel free to email me and I'll try and chase them up. One last additional issue you may find is with the dpi of text. Some activities may seem to display overly large or small text fonts. This issue is quite a black art to solve well, but still worth keeping an eye out for and reporting back to the Activity developer. Regards, --Gary maybe something to be aware of. Etoys appears to have been fixed already. On 05/02/2011 02:15 AM, nanon...@mediagala.com wrote: El pLan Ceibal en Uruguay está entregando a las Aaestras de Primaria las Olidata Jump PC, con disco flash de 8 GB http://www.olidata.cl/index.php/netbook_web/show/id/10 Las olidata se las dan a las MAestras a cambio de sus XO. Me parece una decisión errada, ya que la intención del PLan ceibal es darles a las Maestras una maquina más potente y al día (con respecto a las XO 1 de los niños, de hace dos o tres años), pero eso me parece un gran disparate, no puede ser que la MAestra no pueda hacer pruebas sobre las XO de los Niños. La MAestra tiene que entregar su XO 1.0 al Plan Ceibal (que le fue entregada hace un par de años) y el Plan ceibal se la cambia por una Olidata. El Año pasado fueron compradas 30.000 olidata , según la pagina web institucional del Plan Ceibal. --- Una cosa que no me parece correcta es que la laptop de maestra sea diferente ala XO: tiene más capacidad ara el Diario, eso es bueno(8 Gb contra 1 Gb), pero la pantalla es diferente, el hardware es distinto, y el sugar no funciona en forma identica, por lo tanto cualquier cosa que la Maestra use en su Laptop no podrá ser repetido por los alumnos de la misma forma. NO tiene sentido querer darle una maquina más potente a las MAestras, ya que si por ejemplo la Maestra hace una actividad Etoys en su casa , usando sonidos, animación , etc etc, luego va a la clase y le dice a los niños que lo repitan, pero resulta que lo mismo en las Xo tal vez va mas lento, o no funciona igual, o se ve solo en partes Si se le quiere dar una maquina más potente a las Maestras, deberían dejar que tengan las dos: la potente y la XO normal de los Niños. En este momento se les cambia la XO por la Olidata. NOTA: cuando digo potente (hablando de la Olidata ), es en tono jocoso, espero que se entienda. La Olidata Tiene la pantalla un poco más chica que la XO , de 7 y 800x400, en cambio la XO es de 7.5 y de 1200x900 Debe ser por esa razón que ciertas actividades se ven cortadas, al igual que sucede con los emuladores. Estaría bueno que los programadores hicieran como ya hicieron con ETOYS, que lo modificaron especialmente por estos problemas, y ahora los iconos y menúes se adaptan a la pantalla y no se pierde ninguno. PEro en muchas actividades no sucede eso. --- La verificación más simple sobre el tamaño de pantalla es entrar a TurtleART, si la Tortuga no está inicialmente en el medio de la pantalla significa que a la pantalla le falta algo para visualizar. en el write, por ejemplo, los menúes de arriba a la derecha se pierden, creo que es el botón para cambiar tipo de letra. No sé si han solucionado ese problema del Write, pero en las primeras versiones teníamos ese problema. - Paolo Benini MOntevideo ___ Lista olpc-Sur olpc-...@lists.laptop.org
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] GPL non compliance? was Re: GPL non-compliance, was Re: GPLv3
Hi Walter, On 26 Apr 2011, at 20:14, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love to channel the energy of this debate into writing some code to expand the utility of View Source to (a) include all of Sugar, not just the Sugar activities; and (b) make it possible from View Source to make modifications that are stored in $HOME but persistent to one's Sugar environment without having to invoke any fancy scripting in the Shell. +1! Sounds like a great next step, and storing Sugar related file edits in $HOME sounds like it would provide an easy path to recover from if needed (as the originals are left intact). --Gary ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on tablets
Hi Rita, On 20 Apr 2011, at 16:56, Rita Freudenberg wrote: Hi, we are working on a project getting Sugar running on a tablet (Pegatron Lucid). The tablet has an intel processor, Sugar is running on Fedora 14. We only had few activities after the installation, but imported them later and most of them are working. Now it is getting interesting. On a tablet, some things need to be improved. One thing is the activation of the frame. It is really hard to put the mouse pointer with your fingers in the upper left corner to get the frame. And the other thing is the missing keyboard. This is really needed. I found the page on the sugar labs wiki about the onscreen keyboard: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Onscreen_Keyboard Back last summer Sayamindu posted a working spin (I didn't see a link to it on that wiki page), it worked fine here for testing in VirtualBox. It's a little short on characters if a goal is to allow at least some python coding, but nothing insurmountable: http://dev.laptop.org/~sayamindu/sugar-vkbd-test/sugar-vkbd-test.iso The mail-thread is at: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-June/024806.html Is anyone working on this at the moment? Not that I'm aware of, but C. Scott Ananian might have some guidance on the matter once he is through his The next four weeks plan – he must be just hitting week three if still on track: http://cananian.livejournal.com/62667.html Regards, --Gary Right now, we are using an external keyboard. We installed a jabber server and we could collaborate in the write activity between the tablet and an interactive whiteboard :) I cannot go into details about the planned project, discussion is still ongoing, but everything looks promising at the moment. If we are successful, we will put a certain number of these tablets + Sugar into our schools! This is a great chance for Sugar here in Germany! But we need your help to make it work! Greetings, Rita ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] What's on SoaS?
Hi Caryl, On 20 Apr 2011, at 17:17, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi All Is there a link that tells what is included (Sugar Activities, Gnome(?)) etc. on each build of SoaS? I poked around a bit on the Sugar Labs wiki, but couldn't find it. Have been looking at SoaSv5-20110415-i686.iso in VirtualBox on my Mac. Pre-installed Activities are: Write-72 Memorize-36 Etoys-116 Calculate-35 Physics-8 Record-66 Speak-20 Turtle Art-105 IRC-9 Pippy-40 Chat-70 Log-24 Abacus-19 Terminal-31 Browse-120 It's built to be a Sugar environment, no control panel to re-boot over to the Gnome Desktop. --Gary Thanks! Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] For Sugar Everywhere, Google-ize!
On 16 Feb 2011, at 20:35, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Christian Bryant christianabry...@linux.com wrote: I'm curious, is there a comprehensive requirements and/or design document for Sugar against which the recommendation is measured? I'd be curious to see a gap analysis that supports the argument to not use Python. If nothing else, I'd vote for a solid wiki page that can properly frame the idea, and the pros and cons. I would also be interested in seeing an thorough experience report from someone who has attempted to use Sugar on a touchscreen device. We already know that several major features (such as the frame and hover menus) fail completely. FWIW neither of those are particularly challenging design cases. The frame could be triggered by a hardware button, and the 'touch hold' interaction will work just great for the hover menu case. Bert tested EToys on a touchscreen a few months ago and found lots of areas that needed work (search devel@ for that thread). As I remember, the issues Bert reported were not Sugar UI related, actually he mentioned the Sugar Activity toolbar design works well with it's large finger friendly buttons. It was the EToy object HUD that proved too small for easy finger use and in need of some design work for touch screens. Like you say, a comprehensive outline of the work required would certainly help give a realistic appraisal of the current state of Sugar. Or you could decide that Sugar-on-a-touchscreen just isn't interesting/isn't part of SugarLab's mission. That would put a big fork between Sugar's work and OLPC's work, since OLPC is committed (via its funding source) to producing a touchscreen machine in its next generation. Until OLPC is ready to provide contractors and some of the community with touch enabled sample hardware this is going to move quite slowly. I use an iPad running various VNC and RDP clients back to test VMs of Sugar, but most of the UI frustrations I hit are related to the VNC/RDP client interaction. I'm hoping some XO-1.75s with the custom touch screen layer will be enough to pick up some touch related dev momentum (once its dev cycle has settled down a little). --Gary It then becomes even more important to have Sugar running well on non-OLPC hardware. Wiki pages detailing the progress of other Sugar everywhere efforts on non-OLPC machines would also help appraise the current state of the world. [These are much further advanced than Sugar-on-touchscreen, AFAIK, but I'm been assuming that SugarLabs doesn't want to allow itself to grow completely apart from the OLPC hardware effort. Perhaps my assumption is misguided.] --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Tools for the community 2nd meeting. Today at 9PM UTC on #sugar-meeting.
Hi Pablo, On 2 Feb 2011, at 16:12, Pablo Flores wrote: Join today at 9PM UTC (4PM EST) our second meeting for discussing tools for the community, on #sugar-meeting. Today I'd like to focus on the idea of making a portal for sharing info. Let's think of an enhanced planet, which aggregates blogs and microblogging posts, and helps users to broadcast and tag interesting information. I propose to discuss according to the sources of information that could be integrated to the portal: 1. Aggregate feeds from blogs, websites, wikis aslo. 2. Show what's happening in mailing lists, highlight important discussions 3. Broadcast some info of what happens on IRC channels 4. Integrate social networks (identi.ca/twitter, facebook, uhloh, ...) info. 5. Integrate OLPCmap info It would also be great to integrate info from coding environments, like git commits and trac submits, but for timing reasons I'd prefer to discuss it in another moment. Don't be shy and come in with your ideas and opinions!! :) After mentioning it to you on IRC, I've generated a self-organising map for the olpc-Sur mail list for the month of December (152 emails). Does it help much as a high level overview of what conversations were going on? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Olpc-sur-2010-december-som.jpg My code could do with some more polish with regard to dealing with Spanish language text (better accent support, a word stemmer for Spanish rather than English – a larger kill list for Spanish prepositions, determiners, conjunctions, pronouns, adverbs – but it seemed to give a reasonable quality map as is. Regards, --Gary ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] FW: My 1st experience in class with SoaS (by Cherry Withers)
Hi Caryl, Cherry, Lovely to hear the Physics activity side of things went well. Thanks for posting! Regards, --Gary On 2 Feb 2011, at 20:40, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi All Here is a great account of Cherry Withers' recent experience with SoaS and the Physics Activity with a class of 2nd graders. It is perfect... you will laugh, you may want to cry, and you definitely will be able to learn a lot, both about what does and doesn't work with SoaS and which of a variety of usb drives seem to work. The best bonus is a really wonderful lesson plan for Newton's Laws of Motion using the Physics Activity with 2nd grade students. Wonderful! Enjoy! Caryl Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 10:24:58 -0800 Subject: Re: My 1st experience in class with SoaS From: cwith...@ekindling.org To: cbige...@hotmail.com CC: carol...@solutiongrove.com Please feel free to share. I wrote it quickly and didn't pay attention to grammatical and spelling errors. Oh well. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: I laughed and I cried! This is too good not to share with the rest of IAEP and the SG. What an adventure! Caryl Plus some very useful/helpful observatons and a great lesson plan! Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 09:58:20 -0800 Subject: My 1st experience in class with SoaS From: cwith...@ekindling.org To: cbige...@hotmail.com; solutiongr...@gmail.com Hi Caryl and Caroline, Thought I'd share with you my first experience of using SoaS in a classroom of 23 2nd-graders. I was hoping to use all 11 of my netbooks (9 Asus Eees and 2 Acers...see below for more info on the hardware BIOS) for this but ended up using just 5, not for lack of USB sticks, but for one reason or another the rest of them had problems. Skip Set-up section if you don't want to hear about my set-up woes. THE SET-UP: I started with using my Windows Vista machine, USB Creator 3.10 software, and just one of the Asus Eee Windows XP to test their viability. Naively I thought that it works for one it should work for others. On my third burn of 3 different USB sticks I gave up on the Mango Lassi version as none of them would work. I power cycled 2 out of three drives and moving them to different USB connectors on the laptop, and even a few times I would start off on the BIOS to make sure that in fact I did choose those drives to be 1st priority to boot up from. BIOS goes straight to the hard drive (one did say missing operating system). Using one of the duds from above I was able to successfully boot up a Blueberry version. This wasn't smooth sailing either because I was getting a boot prompt that I couldn't get rid off (with a vesamenu.c32: not a COM32R image message) and didn't know what to do with at first. I looked online and majority of the people said to type in help. That didn't work out for me until Brian saw a tidbit on one of the forums that says to press the Tab key but nothing else and it should just work. The tab gave me three things: linux0 check0 local. Typed in linux0 and viola! It worked! So... naively AGAIN I started mass producing and installed Blueberry on the rest of my drives (all 2GB): 2 PNY Attache', 3 Polariod, 1 HP, 1 Microcenter, 4 Generic USBs that I got from Intel. I formatted them all in FAT. I also tested one from each brand thinking that it's not band dependent. I started my SoaS journey at 9pm and by 2:30am I was ready to call it a night. NEXT MORNING HORROR: I needed to charge my net books anyways so I thought I'd test out the boot-up of the sticks and need to set-up the BIOS as well. To my horror, only 7 of them reliably booted up (the 2 PNYs turned primma donna on me in the afternoon when they refused to boot-up at all as I was about to start my workshop). My 2 Acers decided as well that they were only willing to work with two of those drives: the HP and the Microcenter. With more sleep, I finally decided to be a bit more methodical in my set-up and labeled which drives works with what type of netbook. THE SILVER LINING: I had 10 minutes of set-up for my small talk with a classroom full of 2nd graders and 40mins of instruction/play time. All told, I had 5 net books working with SoaS and 2 XO 1.5s. I was hoping to get all of my 11 netbooks along with the 2 XOs for a 2:1 ratio but alas that didn't work out. The class was tackling Motion, Force and Balance on their Science curriculum and I thought the Physics Activity would fit in perfectly. They haven't tackled the Law of Inertia (and I guess didn't have plans to for this year). I didn't start with Physics right away. For the first law I opted to have them stare at an unmoving object, a plastic bowling pin. I told them to use their brain power to move it. Needless to say after almost a minute of doing this they were ready to knock the thing down (which they did in so many ways: shaking the
Re: [IAEP] Quick Dumb Question
Hi Caryl, On 28 Jan 2011, at 22:29, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi All When Sugar Labs says an Activity works with 0.82-0.88, how does that translate to the OLPC builds like 10.1.3? Yes, all these numbers are very confusing. I've been bumbling around on the technical side for some time and it takes some time checking what all the various numbers mean even for a geek like me. The OLPC 10.1.3 build is based on Sugar 0.84, so it's a fairly old Sugar release, but still a good step up from what was last an official OLPC release (and I'm very glad for it, as it also contains many back ported fixes from newer Sugar releases). So if an activity is meant to work between 0.82-0.88, and fails on OLPC's 10.1.3 build, please do let us know with an email here, or ticket at http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ so we can fix it! Regards, --Gary GrannieB ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] How do I switch the keyboard to another character set?
Hi Caryl, On 26 Dec 2010, at 06:42, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi... If one had a simple overlay with the Urdu keyboard symbols on it, what would be the exact procedure for switching the keys to Urdu? I tried in My Settings- Keyboard- Urdu - Urdu Pakistan, but the result was a lot of little squares with symbols in them... maybe hex code? Not my place of expertise, and I don't know if Urdu is specifically supported or not, but sounds like your keyboard switch went just fine. What you need to be aware of is: 1) The activity you try to type into needs to support an extended range of possible characters, usually this is utf-8. You've probably heard of ASCII, well that defines the small set of roman characters along with a few accents and symbols western users are used to, utf-8 defines a much larger range of characters allowing many more scripts). If utf-8 input is not supported by an activity, when you type you'll likely often see several fairly arbitrary characters being inserted for each single key press. 2) The OS build needs to have a font that actualy has characters defined for the language script you are trying to use, if there are no available fonts to cover a script, little square symbols are usually what are shown instead. If your activity has control over using different fonts you might need to pick a font yourself that has Urdu characters defined (though I think there is a fallback scheme in some cases that picks a character from some other default font if the current font is missing that symbol). So, I guess the questions are, what activities did you try typing text int? What build of Sugar are you using? If testing in the Write activity, did you go through the different fonts. As a slightly different test, have you tried changing the language to Urdu to see if activities/Sugar shows the text localised (if that works you know you at least have a good font somewhere)? One last point is that fonts that include many language scripts can be HUGE files, so it would not surprise me, given the XO storage limitations, that Sugar builds for specific deployments might likely have been specially customised to include certain neede scripts, they may not be included in more generic releases. Regards, --Gary They look similar to what I have seem from some of my multilingual acquaintances on Facebook. Anybody know how to do this? Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Can't Wait..SF Summit Tips! (Oct 22-24)
On 20 Oct 2010, at 22:23, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: I can't go but have a idea: Can anybody prepare a wall with papers and pens to the participants can write annoying bugs, wishes, favorites features, etc? I am working fixing the Activities included by default in the XOs, and feedback from the deployments about it would be great. Yes +1, that would be a fantastic quick snapshot of what's currently on folks minds from a software (Activities and/or Sugar) point of view! --Gary Thanks!! Gonzalo Odiard On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Holt h...@laptop.org wrote: Thank you Sameer Verma all http://olpcSF.org on-the-ground organizers for Making This Happen. It's time to Rock Roll: * All book your car in advance to Sunday's 6PM BBQ Party 45min NW of Downtown SF, across the Golden Gate, in Bolinas, Calif. Check the formal invitation in your packet upon registration Fri night / Sat morning, asking SF's own volunteers (in person) for a limited number of free rides! * At the registration Desk, everyone will be asked to physically decorate our Global Community Map, with a tiny flagpole showing your origins, your work, and Why You Care. This is just one of many truly inspiring Participatory Art/Film/Exchange projects, that you'll be asked to Constructivize! * We expect 100+ attendees in person and perhaps 50 connecting online, Sunday especially -- please help us direct Remote Participants here: http://olpcSF.org/summit#remote (Hottest Link on the Web, thanks to Elizabeth Krumbach) * If you get completely stuck in coming days, ring all ~6 volunteer organizers' cellphones: +1 (415) 320-OLPC(that's -6572) * Respectfully, ask your question on #olpc-help Live Chat first whenever possible -- our web-chat channels are abuzz already 50hrs early: http://forum.laptop.org/chat http://twitter.com/search?q=%23olpc * In a democracy, We Are Each Others' Infrastructure -- so to keep everybody's schedule both lively and focused, we ask everyone to click EDIT -- explaining and promoting Your Favorite Session below, before you start drinking please :-) http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_SanFranciscoBayArea/Community_Summit_2010#Schedule_of_sessions Thanks for taking a stand everyone, see you soon! ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer
Hi Tomeu, On 19 Oct 2010, at 17:50, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi, for personal reasons have to drastically reduce my involvement in the project. Will be leaving maintenance of my modules and unsubscribing from the mailing lists. My place on the board is vacant from now on and I'll be adding to the wiki the new vacancies: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vacancies I'm very sorry to see you step down as maintainer. I wish you all the very best of success for your future goals, and many, many thanks for all your efforts and dedication! Kind Regards, --Gary Cheers and good luck, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] keeping it simple
Hi Walter, On 17 Sep 2010, at 13:21, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: What do you think of http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar_Landing ??? It is simple. The down side is it requires one more click. I was also thinking of arranging the icons in a circle around an XO man. Yea circle would be nice, though I'm not sure if the wiki version installed supports image maps, It did't last time I checked, so you might need to fight a table into shape. --Gary -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
Hi Peter, On 14 Sep 2010, at 22:06, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:33 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Walter, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing some work on the Get Sugar landing page in the wiki, which has been the source of some confusion amongst our potential user community. My proposed modifications (See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/Get_Sugar) are an attempt to streamline and consolidate the instructions for first-time users. Feedback and testing requested. Some feedback For the Mac side of things I think we would be better dealing with it from a direct boot option and then having a separate virtualisation option as in terms of GUI say VirtualBox is the same across all platforms. Do we have a robust direct boot option? I thought that was still causing more headaches than it was worth (from the support perspective). 64 bit yes, and the other graphics issues will be fixed by Fedora 14 beta (if they're not already). Where are the instructions for the 64-bit version? The only instructions I can find (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Mac) refer to a helper CD. Not sure about the wiki but they're here: http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/#downloads There are two problems with the Mac platform: 1) Linux doesn't support 32 bit platforms from 64 bit EFI systems. This is a kernel issue and is the case on all platforms. Someone I know at one of the major server companies was going to have a look at this for me as all their new servers will be 64 bit and are EFI based and while they will only support 64 bit on them they have customers that will want to run 32 bit. I've followed up but not heard anything back. 2) Graphics support due to some random way the Mac platform deals with its GPU initialisation. This will be fixed for F-14 (and so SoaSv4). The patches might also fix #1 but I don't have Macs to test. # 2 should be in the F-14 beta so testers would be welcome on 64 bit and it would be interesting to see if it also fixes #1 as well. Many thanks for pushing on this, and your link above. I'd pretty much given up ever booting a Fedora based spin on my Macs, I almost always end up in a catch 22 case of no working network, and no working gfx driver while trying to debug what's actually broken. I'm away on a pretty low speed Internet connection just now so I'll need to wait a few weeks till I'm back in Edinburgh, but feel free to ping me in the future if you have a Mac images in need of test! Regards, --Gary Regards, Peter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Redesigning: Library, Read, Get-Books, and Content bundles
On 20 Jul 2010, at 19:33, Reuben K. Caron reu...@laptop.org wrote: There has been a lot of great progress with the Read and Get-Books (IA) activities. However, we have neglected to think about how we can better fit all of these pieces together. For instance, consider deployments that would like to install content bundles. They package these files into .xol packages and these packages get installed into the Library, which is contained on the left hand side of the Browse activity. Yes, you read that correctly...the BROWSE activity, an activity intended for online exploration is used to view offline content. Every deployment that I have shown this to has found it very unintuitive. Consider another example: You want to use Get-Books to get a new book. So you open Get-Books search for a book and download the book. But where did it go? I guess one could assume (correctly) that it went to the journal. So you close Get-Books. Go to the Journal. Find the book you downloaded. Open the book (in Read.) IMHO, a series of needless steps. So what if we created a Library Activity The activity would: -Open a book from within the activity -Highlight and annotate books -List all of the books you have downloaded -Allow you to search and download additional books from Feed Books, Internet Archive, the XS, etc.. -List the resources in /home/olpc/Library (so this can be removed from Browse) -Allow one to synchronously or asynchronously share a book to their Neighborhood so anyone can download and read it. I have filed a bug here if anyone would like to follow it: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2110 I look forward to hearing your thoughts. I'm all for keeping activities simple, and then trying to smooth the workflow path when you need to use several in conjunction; however Apple did much as you suggest for their iBooks, a single app that has an epub book shelf, a PDF book shelf, and a store mode for downloading commercial and free ebooks. Read could be extended with a book shelf grid view of all (supported format) books in the Journal, and perhaps integrate download code from one of the get book activities. Would need support from the community as this would make Read harder/larger to maintain... I'd lean towards improving the Journal with a grid view and background sharing, as it could provide much the same thing for _all_ activities not just books (Alekseys Library was along this vector, as are I think his plans for future Journal). Journal is really in need of love, and a plan, for so long now :) Regards, --Gary Regards, Reuben ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review
On 15 Jul 2010, at 04:10, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: El Tue, 13-07-2010 a las 16:04 +0100, Gary Martin escribió: I've asked two Activity Central developers to upgrade Pippy and Physics to the new toolbars. FWIW Physics-5 is out with new toolbar support among other things. So was Akash from AC? Yep :-) :) Well, I think we still need to support old toolbars for a while (a year, 18 months) unfortunately, until major deployments have moved to a build with Sugar 0.86 or better. Releasing an Activity that won't run on the majority of machines in kids hands is not much of a motivation (to me at least). Maybe we'll have to keep the old toolbar classes in sugar-toolkit for 10 years, but do we also need to add new features to them? Good point, old toolbar classes just need to be maintained at current functionality level, with any new shiny work/features focusing on the new toolbar classes. Regards, --Gary -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review
Hey Bernie, On 13 Jul 2010, at 15:08, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: El Mon, 12-07-2010 a las 23:35 -0300, Gonzalo Odiard escribió: I started the evaluation, but didn't continue. Is a larger task than I can do with the time I have today. Particularly, because it should be working with new and the old toolbar. I've asked two Activity Central developers to upgrade Pippy and Physics to the new toolbars. FWIW Physics-5 is out with new toolbar support among other things. So was Akash from AC? Record should come next. With all the core activities already converted, supporting the old toolbars becomes less important. Well, I think we still need to support old toolbars for a while (a year, 18 months) unfortunately, until major deployments have moved to a build with Sugar 0.86 or better. Releasing an Activity that won't run on the majority of machines in kids hands is not much of a motivation (to me at least). I agree with you that implementing full keyboard navigability to the entire Sugar UI is quite a challenge. Luckily, it can be broken up in smaller chunks: toolbars, favourites view, journal... Yes, needs to be tackled step by step, there is also the interesting tangent of touch only devices pulling in a different set of navigability goals. Regards, --Gary -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Design] Fwd: Write to Journal any time
Hi Walter, On 10 Jul 2010, at 23:17, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Cross-posting. -walter -- Forwarded message -- From: Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 6:13 PM Subject: Write to Journal any time To: des...@lists.laptop.org I've been thinking that maybe the place to add this feature is the Frame. We could include it as a menu option (like view source) easily enough and just use the existing NamingAlert code. That would mean no changes to the toolbar and backward compatibility for all existing activities. Comments? Yes, that would at least avoid having to upgrade all activities to support it — the 'new' toolbar is a good example of what we can expect for activity development lag. It has been almost a year since the new toolbar work, and there are still plenty of activities that don't make use of it (bad for our UI consistency). Most of our target users still have never seen the new toolbars as deployers have been focusing on working with 0.84 based builds for deployment. Maybe, by the time a newer Sugar lands in a major deployment most activities will have caught up ;) On a general note, for me the (automatic) NamingAlert at the end of a session is still quite controversial, it always seems to manage to get in the way right when I'm trying to focus on what I need next (a distraction rather than helpful, by the time I hit Stop I already have a next task in mind, not the already completed one I'm trying to get rid of). Most of the time I'm stabbing at close widget, cussing under my breath. However I do understand you found it useful in a teaching environment last year by specifically instructing students to fill it out. If we allow the NamingAlert to be called up when needed, will we still need to trigger it automatically at the end of a session? Regards, --Gary -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOBs] F11+0.88+XO1.* as a SL project
Hi Caryl, On 1 Jul 2010, at 17:30, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi... I love Sean's idea of listing and linking to resources from deployments around the world. With Google Translate these are accessible to everyone regardless of their language. I would also like to see some of the Activities that are living back on the old OLPC wiki under Activities All listed on the Sugar Labs wiki as well. I had given up on finding the Star Chart Activity after searching every way I could think of on the Sugar Labs Activities list. Yes I like StarChart also, but the Sugar Activity page is grown from Activities that have some level of 'recent' maintenance from a dev — though that definition is getting weak for some of them these days :(. If you want to see StarChart listed, go and let Dave Wallace (davewa http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Davewa) know how much his activity is still loved and see if he can carry on maintaining. The other solution is to adopt StarChart, or find someone who is willing, and migrate it over to Sugar Labs infrastructure. Perhaps a deployment is interested in taking it on? Regards, --Gary Finally I stumbled on it and several other useful science related Activities back on the OLPC wiki. I was looking for them for the Big Sky Science Partnership for Montana Reservation Schools (Montana State U and the Crow and Northern Cheyenne). They are doing a small Contributors Program project. Sharing resources is nice! Caryl From: sdaly...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:15:37 -0400 To: ber...@sugarlabs.org CC: m...@melchua.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOBs] F11+0.88+XO1.* as a SL project The OLPCNews commenter in question is anti-Sugar and believes all of our resources should be supporting OLPC and its deployments (and none elsewhere). I haven't seen any evidence that there is a perception problem that we are biased towards certain vendors. If anything, the perception is that we are the software on the $100 laptop. We may have issues the day we are referenced on the CMPC, Dell or HP edu netbooks, but that hasn't happened yet. For my part I think listing projects is a fine idea, it shows our tent is big and welcoming. We just need to very clear that we don't provide tech support for these projects. Sugar on a Stick has been an important part of our outreach since it lowers the unfamiliarity and installation barriers. However, we have often referred to other projects in our communications, among them Paraguay Educa, Plan Ceibal, and the Palestine Education Initiative. Some of these projects have marketing/PR people who are always pleased to work with us. While we're at it, we could list Sugar deployments, too, since they often have Sugar information and documentation of interest, e.g. http://www.ceibal.edu.uy/index.php?option=com_contentview=categorylayout=blogid=107Itemid=268 , an XO manual with many pages presenting Sugar. Sean On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote: El Fri, 25-06-2010 a las 13:23 -0400, Mel Chua escribió: 2. cjb and tomeu and mchua are wondering whether that infrastructure access (which you *don't* need SL project status for!) was what the project was asking for, or if there was anything more to the request to become an official project - what resources, specifically, would they want from SL that they think becoming a SL project will grant them? Bernie, can you respond? In addition to the hosting and bandwidth, I would like to ask for permission to add a link to F11-0.88 to the wiki sidebar, below SoaS. Cjb said that it was not an issue for OLPC, but Tomeu was still concerned that other downstream projects could be negatively affected by our endorsement of an XO distribution. What makes us look really biased is having just SoaS in our Projects side-bar. In fact, I exchanged a few emails with a F11-0.88 tester who refused to file activity bugs on bugs.sugarlabs.org because I'm not interested in how Sugar runs on desktop machines (nor on Ubuntu, etc.) :-( This comment of an OLPCNews reader is even more eloquent: http://www.olpcnews.com/software/operating_system/the_best_xo_laptop_operating_s.html#comment-296246 We seem to have a problem of perception of SL being biased towards specific vendors. To fix that, we could either choose to stop working with anyone, or we could offer the same service level to any downstream project asking for Sugar Labs hosting. Currently, our infrastructure is also hosting these partners: * OLE - http://www.ole.org * OLE Nepal - http://olenepal.org/ * Paraguay Educa (some services) * Karma - http://karma.sugarlabs.org * Somos Azucar - http://somosazucar.org * GCompris (only the git repository) *
[IAEP] [Design] Multiple instances of same activity (Was: First steps with Sugar)
Just wanted to raise one topic from Christoph's useful summary: On 15 Jun 2010, at 15:36, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: * how to stop Activities + not having too many Activities running at once (since many first time users manage to bring their machines / XOs to a halt by having multiple copies of Activities running, depending on the hardware you're using this might be less of an issue however especially young children can also get confused by multiple instances of the same Activity) Has anyone seen good real world cases where allowing multiple instances of the same activity to be run was useful or a vaguely common practice? I'll raise my hand and admit I've never been happy with this Sugar design choice. It causes confusion, trigers low memory issues, and is the root of a number of complications to the Sugar user interface. Most other platforms have moved to tab (or similar single window design) based interfaces where the use case for multiple document instances is common with their user base (e.g. web browsing, media consuming, email). I wanted to ask here as this is where the educators with experience tend to lurk, if the thread gets too technical we should move over to sugar-devel. Regards, --Gary ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
