[IAEP] Fwd: [Wikimedia Education] Just wanted to share ...
A very funny education-wiki-student-empowerment video... more videos in this vein needed :) SJ -- Forwarded message -- From: Sophie Österberg sophie.osterb...@wikimedia.se Dear colleagues around the world, I know not all of you speak Swedish (if any?) but I wanted to share our short video just released for the Swedish education programme; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP4F7XG7-_A I hope you enjoy! :) *Be Bold! Sophie Österberg 0733-832670 * -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] World Open Educational Resources (OER) Congress Declaration
I agree -- and think we should make a version of those 10 points that is particularly relevant to us, since the language is in some places unfamiliar to our communities. SJ On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Hi all, thanks to a news post by UNESCO in Bangkok ( http://www.unescobkk.org/education/ict/online-resources/databases/ict-in-education-database/item/article/unesco-world-oer-congress-releases-2012-paris-oer-declaration/) I learned about the 2012 Paris OER Declaration ( http://www.unesco.org/new/fileadmin/MULTIMEDIA/HQ/CI/CI/pdf/Events/Paris%20OER%20Declaration_01.pdf) which was released at the end of the World Open Educational Resources (OER) Congress which recently took place in Paris. I think the 10 points mentioned in the declaration can serve both as a source of inspiration as well as a basis for a long-term to-do list for OLPC and Sugar communities. Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] contributor, TechnikBasteln [www.technikbasteln.net] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Make Your Own Sugar Activities! paperback is on Amazon, Create Space
Very nice! Thanks for the update, James... On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 12:48 PM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: Yesterday I received a proof copy from Create Space for Make Your Own Sugar Activities! and it looked good so I approved it for sale. You can buy it on Amazon or on CreateSpace: Amazon URL: http://www.amazon.com/Make-Your-Own-Sugar-Activities/dp/1470124904/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1330621301sr=8-2 CreateSpace URL: https://www.createspace.com/3807569 And, for comparison purposes only, the old Lulu URL: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/make-your-own-sugar-activities/12995552?productTrackingContext=search_results/search_shelf/center/1 The interior of the book is exactly the same whether you buy from Lulu or CreateSpace. The page size is the same too. But there are differences! 1). The correct title of the book, including the exclamation point, is on the CreateSpace edition, in large, friendly letters. The Lulu version is missing the exclamation point and uses ALL CAPS in a cold Sans Serif font. 2). The author of the book is shown on the front cover and on the spine in the CreateSpace version. 3). The CreateSpace version has a full color photo of the author on the back cover. 4). The CreateSpace book has a real ISBN number and a bar code on the back to prove it. 5). Lulu charges $18.43 for this book. Create Space will only charge $7.50 for its version, which is either JUST AS GOOD or almost as good, depending on how you feel about the author photo. This will give me about a dollar in royalties if you buy through Amazon or about two dollars if you go through CreateSpace directly. (There are of course benefits to me if you buy from Amazon, too. Like I'll get that thing where it says People who bought this also bought The Life And Times Of Bhakta Jim. Or E-Book Enlightenment. Or The Diamond Age.) As far as Amazon is concerned it will only be available from Amazon.com, not the other Amazon sites worldwide. CreateSpace has this deal called Extended Distribution where if you pay $30 they will list your book in catalogs used by bookstores, etc. This will make it possible that the book could be sold on other Amazon sites, etc., but no guarantees. The e-book is already available on many (but not all) Amazon sites worldwide and hasn't set any sales records there, so I figure I'll keep the $30. Customers from outside the U.S. should be able to order from CreateSpace. I have two other books I will offer this way: Como Hacer Una Actividad Sugar and E-Book Enlightenment:Reading And Leading With One Laptop Per Child. I should get proof copies of these in a few days. As far as Lulu is concerned, MYOSA was put there by the FLOSS Manuals website and they have received whatever profits there were from Lulu sales. I don't think it was much money, and they never really marketed the book (like for instance listing it in the FLOSS Manuals Bookstore section of their website). If I thought it was making money for them I wouldn't compete with them, but as things are I think I can move more paper this way. The other two books never had printed versions before. If someone could post the URLs on OLPC or Sugar Labs websites I'd be grateful. James Simmons ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Alternative 'favorites view' as an intro to programming
Editing favoritesview.py from the terminal can be fun if you're also first teaching them about what a filesystem is, and where files are on the system. If you're trying to hide that complexity from them, this can be a bit too magical (and yes, typo prone) SJ On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Christopher Lindgren chris.lindg...@my.ndsu.edu wrote: Hi, everyone, This is my first time emailing this list, but I've been reading for awhile now. I was wondering if I could request some help with an idea that I was thinking about doing with my SoaS project. I want to provide an engaging mini-lesson introducing the architecture of Sugar (python) to 4th and 5th graders. To do so, I thought that the favorites view modification would be a fun way to show them how there is code underneath this GUI, and you can change the code to change the WYSIWYG. Anyways, I am wondering how to go about this, using the latest mirabelle soas image? I have seen this wiki page: (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Hacking_Sugar#Emulation_Images), but I do not know how to view this source file. I only know how to do the View Source for the activities in Sugar. Any help will be greatly appreciated! Best, Chris Lindgren | fargoxo.wordpress.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Alternative 'favorites view' as an intro to programming
Use the browser and start at file:/// . you can visit /home/olpc/ to see familiar things like the directory of activities, read the NEWS / README files in activity folders to offer a sense of how things change over time when they perform a software update. TODO files (as in the Speak activity) are also nice - they show that software is rarely finished... S. On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Christopher Lindgren chris.lindg...@my.ndsu.edu wrote: Thanks for the advice, Samuel. Do you have any suggestions on how to approach the file systems lesson, because I think that's a great place to go after this activity. Keep in mind that this is for 4th and 5th graders. --Chris Lindgren From: Samuel Klein [meta...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:08 PM To: Christopher Lindgren Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Alternative 'favorites view' as an intro to programming Editing favoritesview.py from the terminal can be fun if you're also first teaching them about what a filesystem is, and where files are on the system. If you're trying to hide that complexity from them, this can be a bit too magical (and yes, typo prone) SJ On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Christopher Lindgren chris.lindg...@my.ndsu.edu wrote: Hi, everyone, This is my first time emailing this list, but I've been reading for awhile now. I was wondering if I could request some help with an idea that I was thinking about doing with my SoaS project. I want to provide an engaging mini-lesson introducing the architecture of Sugar (python) to 4th and 5th graders. To do so, I thought that the favorites view modification would be a fun way to show them how there is code underneath this GUI, and you can change the code to change the WYSIWYG. Anyways, I am wondering how to go about this, using the latest mirabelle soas image? I have seen this wiki page: (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Hacking_Sugar#Emulation_Images), but I do not know how to view this source file. I only know how to do the View Source for the activities in Sugar. Any help will be greatly appreciated! Best, Chris Lindgren | fargoxo.wordpress.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Will This Work???
Hello Teemu, I agree completely that journals should be by default open. That's a natural way for a group to share, and it has the potential to be really inspiring. On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Teemu Leinonen teemu.leino...@aalto.fi wrote: On 10.12.2010, at 22.06, Sascha Silbe wrote: Actually it would be great if all the Journals on XO could be (by default) open for reading (and commenting) by everyone in the learning community / local, near by XO users. That would be the exact opposite of great Ouch :-) Well, it sounds great to me. This could be implemented as a preference, in a way that it could be set for a whole class or deployment. It's fine to have religion, as long as we are welcoming to those with other views. If Teemu goes off and sets up a default-gregarious network where everyone expects to be sharing all the time, the users should not have to expend extra effort to do so. Teemu writes: The open journals with commenting would provide student a better changes to reach their zone of proximal development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_proximal_development). Without visibility of the activities with the Sugar, teachers (or who ever is more skillful / knowledgeable) can not help their pupils. Also, if the pupils can not follow the work of more advantaged pupils they will loose a great opportunity to learn. I like this point. It is easy to say noone wants to see the series of activities I launched at what times, from my Journal history but that is often not true, especially when one is learning how someone else works. The same argument gets made re: collaborative document production, but groups are more efficient (and learn different sorts of skills) with nuanced change-tracking, a wiki, or a character-tracking etherpad instance than with a crude iteration over rough/final drafts. Thank you for the links. I find the choosing license quite silly idea in the context of school learning, but that is another story. :-) (-: SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Redesigning: Library, Read, Get-Books, and Content bundles
Daniel, I like the ideas you posted there. I left some specific comments: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Features/Content_support Reuben: -Allow one to synchronously or asynchronously share a book to their Neighborhood so anyone can download and read it. I don't know how synchronous would work - but that sounds like a feature for bookreaders. Asynchronously, there are regular requests for both a share [file] with [target] feature http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8171 and a way to share public Journal items constantly while online; as comes up in both global shared datastore and share files over the mesh discussions. http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3431 SJ On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 20 July 2010 12:33, Reuben K. Caron reu...@laptop.org wrote: So what if we created a Library Activity The activity would: -Open a book from within the activity -Highlight and annotate books -List all of the books you have downloaded -Allow you to search and download additional books from Feed Books, Internet Archive, the XS, etc.. -List the resources in /home/olpc/Library (so this can be removed from Browse) -Allow one to synchronously or asynchronously share a book to their Neighborhood so anyone can download and read it. I'd argue that some of this is duplication of functionality that belongs (or already is) in the Journal and the Read activity, having such a design might kill some UI complications but add others. Parts of your concerns could be addressed with some ideas I wrote here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Content_support#Accessing_content_from_home_screen I agree that this definitely merits further design/discussion. Daniel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] devel announce list; publicizing major software firmware updates
We have a devel-announce list that hasn't been much used. We also have many people who are interested in getting news about any major release or security update, but don't have time to read all of the traffic that goes to devel. Reuben, Paul and I were discussing this earlier today; I would be happy to see more people using devel-announce to publicize major updates. As there is some demand for this kind of low-traffic list, if you are interested in that information, please sign up. http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel-announce I also want to remind people of the Latest Releases infobox on the wiki homepage. Please update this information if you publish a new stable release for any platform, or a new firmware release. Wiki admins can edit that information by following the +/- link in the lower right-hand corner. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Template:Latest_Releases SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] devel announce list; publicizing major software firmware updates
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote: I also want to remind people of the Latest Releases infobox on the wiki homepage. Please update this information if you publish a new stable release for any platform, or a new firmware release. Wiki admins can edit that information by following the +/- link in the lower right-hand corner. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Template:Latest_Releases IMHO, someone at OLPC should be the one updating the infobox on the OLPC wiki as it implies a degree of support from OLPC that the community cannot presume. When releases are made, the actual release processes I know of involve updates to a mailing list; the wiki simply reflects the latest updates that have been announced. Anyone following that release process can update the appropriate page (or, if they are not a wiki admin, ask an admin to do it). I would love to see a similar brief summary of the latest stable raw sugar and soas releases (stable and dev) as well - preferably on both the olpc-wiki and the sl-wiki. SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Peru Quest, beyond the quake
Inca Quest would be awesome. Is there a good topological map of the Incan road? SJ On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Yama Ploskonka y...@netoso.com wrote: Sebastian Silva and his rolling circus is about to embark in an amazing trek getting to some amazing places. http://somosazucar.org/ Can we figure out how to mesh? Those old enough may recall Maya Quest, even Oregon Trail as early computer-based learning activities that connected classrooms with (at the time) truly amazing adventures in far away worlds. I am useless at marketing, and IMHO that is the main element missing, for they will go to where the wild things are, really, and even beyond. Something that classrooms and simple Sugar and OLPC friends could enjoy and benefit from. BTW, they're all sugary, the team's website name translates to We Are Sugar Latest request is for some water quality something they can use with children ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Scenarios for licensing our trademarks
Quick comments : I agree with C.Scott's remarks 100%. Being too strict about copyright or trademark is an easy way to kill collaboration in the cradle, and Mozilla's done most of this (including guidelines for logo modification and reuse) very well. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:43 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote: It is an automatic license, in particular: It is very important that Community Releases of Firefox and Thunderbird maintain (or even exceed!) the quality level people have come to associate with Mozilla Firefox and Mozilla Thunderbird. We need to ensure this, but we don't want to get in people's way. So, we are taking an optimistic approach. Official L10n teams can start using the Firefox Community Edition and Thunderbird Community Edition trademarks from day one, but the Mozilla Foundation may require teams to stop doing so in the future if they are redistributing software with low quality and efforts to remedy the situation have not succeeded. Doing things this way allows us to give as much freedom to people as possible, while maintaining our trademarks as a mark of quality (which we are required to do in order to keep them). In particular, when making changes to preferences or adding in extensions or plugins, we recommend that localization teams contact the Mozilla Foundation in advance to discuss any quality concerns that may arise. Rigorous testing of the effects of these extensions and plugins is generally necessary to ensure high quality. http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/l10n-policy.html This seemed a sane and sensible policy to me; I think it would be a very reasonable approach for Sugar as well. --scott ps. Discussions about ease of enforcement should really be made in conjunction with actual plans and budgets for enforcement. In the absence of any dedicated funds for legal remedy, trademark defense is pretty toothless -- you're almost better off in that case maintaining ignorance of violators, since non-prosecution of parties known to be in violation of the trademark can cause the trademark to be removed for non-use. In the absence of a better public citation, I'll point to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark#Maintaining_trademark_rights Right -- in the current situation where there's no active body to enforce, I would also think that focusing on getting as many people as possible to use and play with Sugar would take priority. my $0.02, SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Wanted: List of Sugar activities for the XO-1.5
Here's a list of activities that I think would be great, both worth starring and worth having unstarred (it's a large enough list now that it's confusing to have them all on the home screen by default, but there are lots of great activities that people who know about them will want even when they're offline with no way to get new activities). There may be another 5-10 of these that are worth unstarring for a clean, useful firstboot home screen... I'm testing these over the weekend. OLPCorps classes had lovely stories about using both Micropolis and Moon with parents and students becoming interested because of those activities (Moon for religious reasons). Words still accumulates bad characters at the start of its input field if you keep using it and encounter words with accents, but it's also been very useful. Read Etexts is a bit redundant with Get Books, but it is lovely in its own focused way, and small. OOo4kids and Gcompris (a suitable subset) would be excellent additions... both have sizeable development communities compared to most of the activities here SJ TO TEST: == Browse Calculate Chat Distance Etoys Implode Infoslicer IRC Labyrinth Maze Measure Memorize Physics Pippy Read Record Scratch Speak TamTam * Terminal Turtle Art Typing Turtle Words Write [ADD] Get Books Help Wikibrowse (en, es) .. Falabracman FoodForce2 Micropolis (Corps support!) OOo4Kids (link to Gnome) GCompris TuxPaint .. Finance Geogebra SocialCalc [UNSTAR] Analyze Jukebox Log Moon (Corps story!) Paint [ADD UNSTAR] VNC Launcher Read Etexts? -- Forwarded message -- From: Chris Ball c...@laptop.org Date: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 3:54 PM Subject: Re: Devel Digest, Vol 45, Issue 53 To: Reuben K. Caron reu...@laptop.org Cc: OLPC Development de...@lists.laptop.org, Eric Bachard er...@openoffice.org Hi, [Added ericb to CC; Eric, we're talking about which applications to include by default on our OLPC XO-1.5 software release.] How about suggestions for programs on the Gnome side? That's a good idea, thanks. I haven't decided what to do about OpenOffice yet -- at the moment we don't ship it, but do ship abiword and gnumeric. The options for it look something like: * just add the openoffice.org Fedora packages for GNOME. (How much disk space would that use?) * just add the Ooo4Kids activity for Sugar. * just add the Ooo4Kids activity for Sugar, *and* find a way to make the same activity launchable inside GNOME. This would need Ooo4Kids to be useful for older kids as well, since they're the target audience for using GNOME instead of Sugar. The OOo4Kids activity is here: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4241 (100MB) Perhaps someone could try out OOo4Kids, see how it compares to standard OpenOffice, and see how much disk space adding the full OpenOffice packages would require? Thanks! - Chris. -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org One Laptop Per Child ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Wanted: List of Sugar activities for the XO-1.5
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Samuel Klein wrote: [ADD UNSTAR] VNC Launcher Not sure what this category is for, but I feel like I need to put in a plug for Watch Me [1]. It's for activities with great demo potential, or that are useful in the hands of clueful XO uses/techers/c -- but aren't so broadly useful as to merit taking up 2% of the default desktop. Watch Me, wraps this process into a pure Sugar form, so that XOs running Sugar can share their screens with each other. [1] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/sugar/addon/4205 That's very cool; I hadn't tried it before. http://dev.laptop.org/~bemasc/StopWatchActivity-3.xohttp://dev.laptop.org/%7Ebemasc/StopWatchActivity-3.xo +1 Mike writes: I would recommend against including finance by default. As laptops are given out by government agencies in countries where people are often suspicious of the government and it's often the time that they are trying to increase tax revenue this might well lead to suspicions. What about leaving it unstarred? I'd hate to leave out a good practical activity just out of indirect fear; similar arguments could be used as reasons not to have a word processor or spreadsheet altogether. SJ (who wishes ImageQuiz were available :) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Fwd: [Sig-bwp] Audio / Mobile Technologies for Children Allison Druin
From a different library list. For those who don't know her, Allison Druin among other things runs a children's testing lab where various sorts of products and interfaces are tested by children (in Maryland and in 1 or 2 sister institutions around the globe). If you like this talk, she also wrote _The Design of Children's Technology_. -- Forwarded message -- From: gerrymck gerry.mckier...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:49 PM Subject: [Sig-bwp] Audio / Mobile Technologies for Children Allison Druin / Iowa State University / October 9 2009 To: asi...@asis.org, sig-...@mail.asis.org, isen-ast...@community.lsoft.com Colleagues/ The Audio Is Now Available For This Most Informative Presentation I Had The Opportunity To Attend. /Gerry Women in HCI Lecture / Allison Druin / University of Maryland / October 9, 2009 / Noon / Howe Hall / Alliant Energy-Lee Liu Auditorium / Iowa State University Abstract For many children (ages 2-12) in the United States, mobile technologies are now an integral part of their everyday living and play experiences. They commonly use mobile phones, netbooks, pen-based computing, GPSs, computer-enhanced toys and much more. But this is not the case for all children. There are still young people who live in places where mobile technologies are just becoming affordable. Others live in areas where there is no cell phone service at all. And still other children live in places where basic living necessities outweigh the need for electronic technologies. There are extreme differences in children’s opportunities and challenges for learning with new technologies. Therefore, in my talk I will discuss how to approach designing for these diverse children. This talk is not about how to make mobile technologies. It is about how to make BETTER mobile technologies for the world’s children. I will demonstrate some of our newest work at the Human-Computer Interaction Lab in mobile collaboration and intergenerational mobile storytelling. I will also suggest how these new mobile technologies call for new approaches to design. Speaker Allison Druin is the Director of the Human-Computer Interaction Lab (HCIL) and an Associate Professor in the University of Maryland’s College of Information Studies and Institute for Advanced Computer Studies. Her work includes: developing digital libraries for children; designing technologies for families; and creating collaborative storytelling technologies for the classroom. Druin’s most active research is the International Children’s Digital Library (ICDL) [ http://mobile-libraries.blogspot.com/2009/08/international-childrens-digital-library.html ] now the largest digital library in the world for children which she and colleagues expanded to a non-profit foundation. She is the author or editor of four books, and her most recent book was published Spring 2009: Mobile Technology for Children (Morgan Kaufmann, 2009). [ http://mobile-libraries.blogspot.com/2009/07/mobile-technology-for-children.html ] She received her Ph.D. in 1997 from the University of New Mexico, her M.S. in 1987 from the MIT Media Lab, and a B.F.A. in 1985 from Rhode Island School of Design. Sponsored By Women in Human Computer Interaction Series, Women in STEM Speaker Series, and Committee on Lectures (funded by GSB). Link To Audio Available At [ http://tinyurl.com/ykcvmbn ] Enjoy ! /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Associate Professor Science and Technology Librarian Iowa State University Library Ames IA 50011 gerry...@iastate.edu There Is No Answer, Only Solutions / Olde Irish Saying The Future Is Already Here, It's Just Not Evenly Distributed Attributed To William Gibson, SciFi Author / Coined 'Cyberspace ___ Sig-bwp mailing list sig-...@mail.asis.org http://mail.asis.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-bwp ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Bookreader] Text to Speech readers for XO
Bumping up this recent thread on the bookreader list about text-to-speech. Mike and Gregor, in case you haven't seen what's currently possible: I believe James S's Read Etexts uses speech-dispatcher to read selected text. Aleksey and others may have done further work with espeak... I've included some old threads from the Sugar list this past spring below. SJ On Thu, Oct 29, Mike McCabe mcc...@archive.org wrote: I also think this is a great idea. I've worked with several text-to-speech readers recently, as part of my effort to make the Internet Archive books available to print disabled people. They're very useful, and I think that this mode of reading could be of use to a very broad range of users. I suspect we'll see more of it soon. I'm also curious to hear about specific experiences with linux-compatible free TTS, as we may be producing audio books with this to work with the new Library of Congress audio players. Best regards - Mike == [1] old note from James Simmons == ( in repsponse to this speech-synthesis summer of code proposal: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/speech-synthesis ) Chirag, Since you have been working with Aleksey Lim you probably know about text to speech with highlighting in Read Etexts. I wrote the original TTS code that used speech-dispatcher with some assistance from Hemant Goyal and the folks on the speech-dispatcher project. Aleksey refactored my code so it could work with either speech-dispatcher or his own gstreamer espeak plugin. Not only does his plugin need no configuration to work, it also does a LOT better in producing timely callbacks as it reads each word. As you point out in your proposal, highlighting the word as it is spoken is a big part of the benefit of what you're proposing. If all you wanted to do was capture some highlighted text in the clipboard and have it spoken in a voice you can configure in a control panel, that would be easy, even trivial. It's the highlighting that's difficult. When I added speech to Read Etexts I deliberately tried for the simplest approach that would get the job done. It reads only the current page. It always starts either at the first word on the page, or if speech has been paused, it resumes with the last word spoken. You can't choose the word to start on. The Activity itself receives the callbacks as each word is spoken and takes care of doing the highlight and scrolling the textarea so the highlighted word stays on the screen. If I had to write a facility that did what Read Etexts does outside of the Activity I wouldn't know how to do it. It seems to me that highlighting is best done by the Activity itself. I can't deny that it would be useful to have all this work done as you have described without the Activity knowing anything about it, but it doesn't seem feasible. You'd have to have something that could work with gtk textareas, the evince component Read uses, Abiword, and everything else that came along. Another thing you'd have to deal with is PDFs composed of scanned in book pages. There are a lot of these around (the Internet Archive is full of them) and somehow the kid trying to select words on a scanned in page would have to be clued in that these words are not selectable. I suppose you could make an Activity that grabbed whatever text was in the clipboard, displayed it in a textarea, and highlighted the words in that textarea as it spoke them. I'm pretty sure that wasn't what you had in mind. Splitting sentences into separate words will be a challenge. I just use spaces as delimiters and filter out characters like asterisks, vertical bars, etc. That works OK for English but not for other languages. If I wanted Read Etexts to do highlighting on the Bhagavad-Gita in the original Sanskrit it wouldn't work. Even in English I get tripped up by double hyphens (--). It would be nice if Gutenberg etexts put spaces around double hyphens but they don't. It looks like you've picked a challenging project, and I would love to be proven wrong about everything I've mentioned here. Good luck with this, James Simmons == 2: SynPhony and reading assistance == On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.comwrote: I'd like to call your attention again to SynPhonyhttp://synphony.wiki.sourceforge.net/. We are close to a base release (probably this week) of a 44,000 word English word database that has a very rich array of information helpful to the teaching of English, especially reading. A 10,000 word Spanish lexicon and 5 word German one will follow. Norbert Rennert who compiled these, would like very much to work with other language experts to extend this effort to other languages. Some highlights of the English lexicon: screened from the CMU Sphynx corpus for accessibility to children, each word entry has frequency data from analysis with respect to a large corpus of text merged in, phoneme breakdown (used by reading curricula to decide the order in which
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Slobs election results 2009
Congratulations to the new SLOBs; it was great to see a strong slate standing for election! SJ ps - Can someone update the governance wiki page to describe the two-tranche system? On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Congratulations everyone! I am looking forward to your vision, ideas and energy. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:10 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: The results are in for this years election. The winners are in for this years election. Walter Bender Tomeu Vizoso Mel Chua Bernie Innocenti Chris Ball Sean Daly Adam Holt David Farning Slobs Election Referee 2009 ___ SLOBs mailing list sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.
I volunteer. I don't have a strong opinion yet, but am interested in the future of SoaS. When I give talks about OLPC and Sugar, there are almost always audience members who have used it. SJ On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi all, Sebastian Dziallas has asked for clarity on how the SoaS distribution he maintains is going to be treated and considered by SL. It doesn't seem that there's consensus, so we suggest forming a Decision Panel: On the rare occasion of a contentious issue on which no general consensus can be reached, the Oversight Board is responsible for convening a Decision Panel. The Oversight Board will be responsible for determining when a Decision Panel is required and for selecting members for the Decision Panel. Members of the Oversight Board are not permitted to serve on a Decision Panel. A Decision Panel will solicit community input, discuss (in private if they deem it necessary), reach a conclusion internally, and produce a report documenting their conclusion. (Anyone may submit advice to a Decision Panel.) The Oversight Board will review and ratify Decision Panel reports. -- http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance This mail is to ask for volunteers for the Decision Panel. Volunteers can be anyone with an interest in the outcome, and the Oversight Board will then vote on (a) whether to convene the panel, (b) who should be on the panel, and probably (c) what the decision being paneled is. :) Please volunteer by replying to this mail if you're interested, and please do so by Thursday September 24th so that we can run the vote at the Friday September 25th SLOBs meeting. Thanks! - Chris. -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org One Laptop Per Child ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick
Mel - thanks for this delightful and thoughtful post. I agree with most of the points you and your aunt raise. Ben says, about 'Friendly' and 'Consistent': These two things sound pretty much the same to me. They also sound absolutely impossible, taken strictly. Taking a more relaxed interpretation, you seem to be describing, in effect, a full-time professional support staff. I disagree. As Tomeu points out, the SOAS community is organized around an idea that supports friendliness and consistency. To the comments that Gnome and KDE don't handle end to end packaging, the lack of almost any distors that are targeted effectively at these needs of teachers makes it important for some group to do it. I would find it a refreshing counterpoint to have a group in this ecosystem focused on maintaining a toolchain that first prioritizes the overall teacher and classroom experience, and second prioritizes hardware, OS, and software details. Some of its core releases / components / packages (for instance, a new social procedural system for getting help or processing feedback) might not involve a single transistor or line of code. SJ On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: I read the multiple future of SoaS discussions on this mailing list and... to be honest, I was frustrated and didn't quite know how to respond. So I called my aunt Lynne May (I stay with her family when I'm in Boston). She's been a teacher for over 15 years. She teaches first grade. (I've been showing her Sugar occasionally for the past 2 years, and she thinks it's very cool.) I described this thread to her, explained the situation, and asked for her perspective. The summary of it was: This discussion you are having, as important as it may be to you, makes no difference to me as a teacher. Here is what does. Here are our notes - written up to the best of my ability, and then read over and edited (and added to) by her. I haven't edited anything out, so it's quite long.. I hope that others will be able to pull out the points that caught their eye, because I am not sure what in here will be most interesting to people. What teachers care about: * Is it friendly? * Is it consistent? * Is it sustainable? What they DON'T care about: * What group runs it? * Who owns the trademark? * What bleeding-edge features are being developed now for a future release? * What is the underlying operating system (which they never see)? Let's go into each of these topics in turn. Friendly. Is there a one-stop shop I can go to where my problems will be fixed immediately? Yes, theoretically it's possible to chase down the problem yourself, since everything is open source. And yes, you don't need technical knowledge because eventually, if you keep asking questions and trace things back to the appropriate developers in the appropriate upstreams, you'll likely find someone friendly to fix it for you. However, even if the individual developers are friendly - and we have very friendly, helpful developers - the process is not. Teachers don't have time to chase issues down the rabbit hole. They need to be able to report an issue and then know when that issue will be fixed by, so they know how long they have to improvise for. Consistent. It's important to have the experience be consistent for the kids. When are we going to do that thing again? they'll ask. It needs to work - and work the same way - every week. Kids hold you accountable for being consistent. They're in the classroom every single day. Teachers are also in the classroom every single day, and on-call every hour of that day. They also need consistency. Teachers improvise a lot, but they can only do so if they know what tools they have available, and that those tools can be relied upon. They set aside prep time; they have to know that they won't need to spend more than X hours per week to prep for this. If they can't predict how much time it will take to use a tool each week, they won't be able to use it. Tools need to be consistent from day to day, but also from year to year. Will they need to relearn a new toolset next year? She relayed a story about choosing the reading assessment tool the first grade team will use this school year. Should they use the same assessment program used in previous year even if there are missing books in the current set? Or should they switch to a different assessment program. It took them only 20 minutes total to make a decision. They based their decision on the consistency factor, affordability, and immediate response by customer service to their query which helped them solve the problem of having an incomplete assessment kit. The final selection was the same program that was being used in other grade levels, and the same program that was previously used. The takeaway I got from this story is that sometimes it isn't the design of the tool itself that makes it better for the
Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] Class Acts shirt at last :)
Only 30 shirts, eh? You might want to add 12 Smalls :) There just *might* be some women or teens present. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Holth...@laptop.org wrote: Thanks to the 10 ppl who pulled out all the stops designing+redesigning these last 36hrs: there were so many colorful designs (more clearly communicating our 5 Principles, Caryl's antipoverty-creativity inspiration, Open/MultiLingual poetry, dancing XO's inciting, etc etc) that I feel quite terrible the vote was a 3-way dead-heat and the shirt's space is in the end limited to the 2 final images below. It's NOT easy to communicate our community's values quickly to so many diff audiences! So let's *plz* find another place to capture this outpouring of creativity beyond just the final cut http://dev.laptop.org/~holt ...community media archive for our best follow-on artifacts/affordances? OK, I'm printing 6M + 12L + 12XL shirts arriving DC Tues Sept 8 hopefully just before SJ's XO-1.5 evening presentation (at http://hacDC.org) and they are yours for half the price ($7) I'm paying out of pocket ($~14.30) if you participate in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/ClassActs in any way! Back... ___ Grassroots mailing list grassro...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Community Book Sprint - QtoA
That's a good point. And there's a lot of spanish work that's been done re: handouts about sugar since then, which would bear gathering together. The net Ceibal JAM is on sep. 5, which is soon - that might be a good audience to help organize pointesr to hte latest material for such an update, if there are people to do the updating who just need something to work with. SJ On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Chris Leonardcjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: SJ, Maybe you could remind some folks that the Sugar FLOSSmanual still needs some work on the Spanish translation? On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Paul - sounds great. And I should be at the 4th Ceibal Jam on September 5. Pablo Flores will still be travelling, but I'll be able to get some things started there with some of the original editors of Uruguay's excellent booklet about the impact and implications of one XO per child. SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] OLPC / Sugar community in China?
Tomeu - yes, thanks for the reminder. olpc asia is starting to publish their posts in both English and Chinese, and just relaunched their site; people who haven't are encouraged to give it a read. SJ On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:51, Bastienbastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Christoph, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at writes: I was wondering whether anyone happens to know of any OLPC / Sugar community activity happening in China? I was in China last month and I did a presentation about Sugar (and other stuff) to the Beijing Linux User Group: http://www.slideshare.net/bzg/the-ict-for-education-revolution-hasnt-happened-yet There I met people working on the Gdium, mainly trying to use it as a tool for education in remote areas. They are not using Sugar, they are using mandriva and a selected set of educational applications, but they are interested in trying Sugar. OLPC France plans to continue to work on the Sugar-for-Gdium issue, and perhaps they'll try Sugar in remote chinese areas one day. I also met people from the Beijing Normal University, a university to train teachers' trainers. I presented Sugar to them, and they were very interested. I gave them 2 USB keys with Soas v1, I hope this will start a discussion and maybe some deeper testing in some primary schools. BNU is also running a nice community here: http://sociallearnlab.org, this can be a place where to let teachers know about Sugar. Doing a quick Google search revealed that a small deployment by OLPC.Asia was recently started in Sichuan (http://www.olpc.asia/en/2009/06/first-olpc-deployment-in-sichuan-china.html) but other than that I'm not really aware of any activities in the country. I didn't know about this, but I will forward this to the people I know in China, thanks! Any pointers and help are much appreciated! Awesome news! SJ, can we have the OLPC Asia blog in the planet? http://www.olpc.asia/en/atom.xml Thanks all, Tomeu HTH, -- Bastien ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] The Children's Library On OLPC project
Hello, I imagine a final use case in which children do have hundreds of books on their XO, not two or three; they are stored compressed, and uncompressed for reading; and the Journal stores the record of reading a book, but not the uncompressed book itself. When a stick or local library with thousands or tens of thousands of books is available, it could be searched; a collection of books to be copied to your XO identified and named; and this collection added to your XO (with the name you just gave your collection added as a tag). If the Journal could implement Calibre-style views, I don't see why it couldn't function as a library organizer. SJ On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: Scotty, I've been thinking about your project and have some ideas. These may be similar to what Sayamindu has already proposed. You want to distribute a couple of thousand books from Internet Archive without using the Internet. As I have said before having over a thousand files on a USB drive isn't going to work. The Journal isn't equipped to deal with that. You had mentioned (I think) the idea of creating content bundles for this stuff, but content bundles as they exist now aren't going to work either. With a content bundle the entire contents of the bundle get unpacked and stored somewhere, and on the XO there isn't room for anything that isn't going to be used. You don't want to install 818 books about conduct of life on a kid's laptop. You want to give him something that will let him browse through all of those books and pick one or two to install in his Journal. One way to make these files manageable would be to collect them by theme or topic and put the collected books in zip files. The zip files would contain the books themselves, the GIF files showing book covers, and one file containing information about the books, possibly in the Dublin Core format, more likely in some subset thereof. In the Internet Archive database there are a lot of fields that would be useful if filled in, but more often than not are not. If you had these collections prepared you could write an Activity to browse their contents (using the Dublin Core file and the images). The student would insert a thumb drive containing one or more of these collections into his XO and fire up an Activity that would read the Dublin file and create a scrolling list of the titles, including cover images, title, author, etc. The student could sort this list by title, author, etc. then select a book he wants and create an entry for it in the Journal. You could prepare sticks which had the collections on them as well as this Activity. That way everything could be done through sneakernet. The Activity would be a lot like Get Internet Archive Books except it would work offline and would show the book covers. James Simmons On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 5:39 PM, scotty...@gmail.com wrote: Jim, I see all your points and they are good ones. I'm not sure if there's a target country at this point, but I think we got our list from OLPC. Not even positive about that. It's posted on our blog site, http://sixes.net/rdc2009/iacl-collection-for-xo. I'm pretty sure it's all English. It's a good idea to distribute a preconfigured server boot to linux CD and relatively easy. We should definately try to do that for US/Developed countries. Yes, PCs that could do this are in landfills, and using a system like this is a no brainer in any american or english classroom, probably in most developed countries there's at least an old pc w/ a network card laying about. However, my idea of using an XO was not to make it a permanent server. I just thought the teacher would have one most likely and that one could be configured to temporarily serve the library, then reboot back to sugar for other purposes when done. Probably a bad idea, but then again some of the OLPC folks have already looked into it at least somewhat - see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS-on-XO. Beauty of this is even in the bush our solution might still work. Scotty Auble ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment
You might want to add more whitespace around the Browse icon. And it's not so clear to me that it is a stack of books, or what the bottom line is. An open book with pages might be more identifiable. SJ On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I really like this one, the stack of books and mini-Browse tell the story. Sean On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:28 PM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Frederick Grosefgr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still interested in other ideas. Something like this maybe... ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep For those of us with little artistic or visual skills, it is very clear what this icon means. david -- David Farning Sugar Labs www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Jonas Smedegaardd...@jones.dk wrote: What if we developers only announce in developer-oriented forums and someone else (marketing team?) takes the task of communicating it to end users? Hmm. That sounds rigid to me. I suggest transforming it into this instead: Beware of the target audience of the list you post to. If you are unsure if your message could be misinterpreted (e.g. if you are a geek with a message to end users) then consider passing it through someone more devoted to communicating (e.g. the marketing team). Well put. SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] idea for consolidated Sugar feedback + a new name for our users
Docs that don't use familiar language can be a turnoff. 'User' is a familiar nuisance. 'Supporter' might also be apporpriate, since some people who follow and care about sugar do not use it day to day and are passing on the opinions of others, or their observation of others. SJ On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:49 AM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to Learners. I prefer learners to users also. But i wonder, will this result in overloading the common term learners with our own specific meaning? is that good or just confusing? I could see this causing confusion, though I agree in principle and hate the term user myself. Some good books on interaction design also discuss this unfortunate term, but fail to provide a better alternative. It might be acceptable to permit the term within the context of development (eg. in technical mailing lists, in bug reports, etc.), while strictly avoiding it in general purpose materials such as the website and in users manuals. When drafting the HIG, I carefully avoided this term, instead simply referring to kids or children, or using various pronouns when repeated reference to one of these unnamed children is needed. Eben david Regarding your questions, let's go with three instead of two and let's start with the positive: * What do you like about Sugar? * What concerns do you have about Sugar? * How can we, the Sugar community, overcome these concerns? -walter On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Gary C. Martin made an excellent observation: if we have Activities instead of applications, shouldn't we have Doers instead of users? I fully agree we shouldn't have users of Sugar Activities. I like Doers, but I think Learners may roll off the tongue more easily. Suggestions please. On a related subject: I want feedback from our Learners (Doers) using the XO-1. We've discussed this before, but following SugarCamp where we concluded with a round-robin of our 3-/3+ takeaways (what didn't work, what worked) I had an idea watching a survivor show on television... to set up a rope bridge, the hikers threw a small wire across the rapids, attached to a thicker rope which they then used to make a bridge with two other ropes. So my idea is to start with a two-line survey of our Learners around the world: * What do you not like about Sugar? * What do you like about Sugar? Short, simple, to the point... easy to translate... a light payload for the difficult task of distributing/receiving a survey :-) Can we start with this wire, and work our way up to a bridge? Could we ask the OLPC Corps Africa people for help, in parallel with their formal survey? I have heard they will have one, but I have no info about it. ideas please thanks Sean ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] spanish posts in the planet
All together would be great (even including nepali from time to time, even though google will not help you translate it). SJ On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:35 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi all, recently have noticed the high quality of some blogs about Sugar that aren't aggregated in our planet, like http://www.fedaro.info/ , http://elingenioazucarero.blogspot.com/ and http://proyecto-ceibal.blogspot.com/ . What's people's opinion on having all sugar-related posts aggregated in the same planet? Fedora and GNOME mixes several languages, Ubuntu has separate planets for every local community. Personally I would vote for having all of them together. +1 I find myself running the SUR archives through translate.google.com nearly every evening. A nice easy way to machine translate planet to one's native language would be very handy. david And btw, can we make the amount of posts presented in the main page bigger? Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
The screenshots help the discussion a great deal. Thinking in terms of how you sort and change views is useful, since there are a few very different use cases that could all rely on what Aleksey is describing [local calibre, active filesharing, global persistent file hosting and bundle creation/publishing among them] SJ On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 09:41:01AM -0700, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote: Sorry for posting the screenshot without text (I was reposting a compacted version of the original screenshot, which our list manager wisely refused to forward). My original post was: I have attached a screenshot of calibre. This is a very useful way to look at books, though I'm sure many improvements could be suggested. (Clicking column headings sorts the grid.) Thanks for screens, Library could have fileformat-backends to parse all these books related properties from files to make calibre-like view more useful. -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Fwd: [Free-Textbooks] May 20 Open Textbook Meetup
From the OER Consortium... -- Forwarded message -- From: Judy Baker bakerj...@foothill.edu Date: Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:30 PM Subject: [Free-Textbooks] Open Textbook Meetup Invitation To: freetextbo...@freeculture.org Open Textbook Meetup Invitation The Community College Open Textbook Project ( http://www.collegeopentextbooks.org), California Digital Marketplace ( http://www.21st-digitalmarketplace.com/index.html), and the Open Knowledge Foundation (http://www.okfn.org/ ) invite those with an interest in repositories for open textbooks to a meeting on Wednesday, May 20th at 1:30 - 3:30 pm PDT (2130-2330 GMT or 2230-0030 CET). In particular, we want to coordinate metatagging, interoperability, accessibility, and repository efforts for open textbooks. Tenative Agenda * Welcome and Meeting Purpose: To facilitate coordination of metatagging, interoperability, accessibility, and repository efforts for open textbooks * Introductions: Name of attendee, Organizational affiliation, Organization's goals and needs * Identify and summarize common goals and needs * Share metatagging, interoperability, and accessibility guidelines for OER repositories * Target 20 high-enrollment general education (transferable) courses for open textbook development How to Attend You can attend in-person on the Foothill College campus or virtually via internet/teleconference (meeting will be archived for access later). * To attend in-person, please contact Jacky Hood, CCOT Project Director (hoodjackyl...@fhda.edu) for a temporary parking permit and directions. * For virtual attendance, see the Login Guide ( http://www.onfer.org/pdfEL/Participants_Students-Connect_to_Your_Online_Sessions.pdf ) and Participant Guide ( http://www.onfer.org/pdfEL/Participants_Students-Quick_Reference_Overview.pdf ). Virtual Attendance Instructions Teleconference Dial your telephone conference line: (888) 886-3951 Enter your passcode: 228240 Internet Go to www.onfer.org. Click the Participant Log In button under the Meet Confer logo Locate your meeting and click Go. Fill out the form and enter the password: 228240 Judy Baker, Dean Foothill Global Access Distance and Mediated Learning Foothill College 650.949.7749 bakerj...@foothill.edu www.foothillglobalaccess.org http://oerconsortium.org If you love knowledge, set it free! ___ freetextbooks mailing list freetextbo...@freeculture.org http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freetextbooks ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Priorities and Ideas (for GSoC)
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: regardless of the scale of the GSoC program, it is small relative to our needs and the potential size of the pool of interested contributors. Therefore, we should consider designing a mentoring program that can beyond the needs of GSoC. +1 Building a long-term mentor and followthrough program for contributors of all ages / colors / project-scales is key. If that's being done year-round, absorbing an extra dozen summer student projects when necessary should be no big deal. SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] http://www-testing.sugarlabs.org/
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: I second Michael's suggestion about a web design that echoes the Sugar design. Think how useful this would be if carried to school servers. And as a basis for web-served Sugar-like activities. This would be delightful. * No text on the main page * Single-keypress return to the main page * Personalizable main page navigation : determining which sections of the site are linked from your main page * A neighborhood view showing who else is browsing the site at the moment * Pop-up user preferences, including your username and colors SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] RFC: Supporting olpc-ish Deployments - Draft 1
Dear Johncn, The bssd wiki is the best thing I have seen in a while. Congrats on what you've accomplished so far. I would love to take part in a session next week to see a demo of what you are developing. As for the Yupik and Inupiaq dictionaries -- they are quite nice. Have you been in touch with anyone from the Inupiaq Wiktionary? Piolinfax may be a helpful resource for expanding such projects. http://ik.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AllPages http://ik.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Piolinfax Regards, SJ (And: have a great time at cosn. is anyone else on the list going?) On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Johncn jconci...@bssd.org wrote: Hello, I'm one of the project people at Bering Strait School District that has been working with DART. Although I've exchanged some emails with Gregdek and Jef about DART's ability to track standards progress, and link needs to a MediaWiki instance, they have not seen the latest version of the system. The newest features and bug fixes really expand the DART / Wiki combination into complete student information AND collaborative curriculum development system for managing our school district. We are about the size of Great Britain, but with less than 2,000 students. The system runs well, and is very, very stable. Down time for us has been almost a non-event. Training and roll out has been mostly unnecessary, and handled with an hour so overview, and a few PDF tutorials for teachers and students. A bit more for school administrators. We get a very, very low number of Help Desk requests compared to our other software packages in use. The most training has to go toward editing the wiki system, not to DART itself. Our current version has been our official system since August, and has vastly improved modules that can be activated to track organizational performance and functioning, such as a Dashboard, Improvement Planning, standardized test data analysis, and improved individual learner tracking. I'm sorry to say that we're woefully short of help right now, and scrambling to finish an installer package and an updated demo server so we can share these features with groups like this. To be honest, it's just our school ditrict at the moment working to develop the project. Others have expressed an interest, but have not been able to help with programming or design work. As soon as our installer package is done, we need an admin setup screen that will allow easier setup for adjusting language CSS, logos and turning modules on or off by need. That will spur a wider adoption base that will get some more partners, I think. We have a table at CoSN conference in Austin in March, and will handing out information to like minded school districts and organizations...if we can find some! Like CATB says, Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow. We'd LOVE to have some others interested in moving this project forward, and I can set up a DimDim demo session in a week or so if there is interest in seeing the existing build. Finally, on the collaborative development of our curriculum we are up to about 11,000 pages. We are hoping to work with Palo Alto Research Center (PARC) to test their fantastic WikiDashboard tool with DART and our Open Content Curriculum. This will allow us to track and measure the impact of individual contributions to the curriculum in visual manner, and provide all users with a meta view of that content as it develops. This is PERFECT for use in a curriculum system. http://www.technologyreview.com/web/22076/page1/ http://wikidashboard.parc.com/ Teachers and students have created a number of spin off projects just this year in the wiki that may interest educators doing OLPC rollouts, such as Inupiaq and Yup'ik multimedia dictionaries: http://wiki.bssd.org/index.php/Category:Yupik_dictionary http://wiki.bssd.org/index.php/Meteghluk http://wiki.bssd.org/index.php/Category:Inupiaq_dictionary Thanks, folks, and please feel free to contact me at jconci...@bssd.org if you need more information, and thanks for the kind words in this thread. Regards, Johncn -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/RFC%3A-Supporting-olpc-ish-Deployments---Draft-1-tp2351291p2360168.html Sent from the It's an education project, not a laptop project. mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Handling loss of educational tools
Every child and class faces this. In my fairly well-funded public elementary and middle school, I must have had a handful of classes in which I didn't have my own textbook for weeks, and had to share / had nothing to take home. In other cases, there weren't enough of the latest materials and I had to use old or damaged books, or borrow the teacher's book. Centralizing a lot of interesting activity on a single device/book makes the impact greater; I always had other classes where this wasn't an issue. So this speaks to avoiding single points of failure. I can see a partial solution where if you lose your materials you no longer have them to take home with you (so you don't go on losing them every week) but have access to ones you can use in school. In my school we paid for replacements; it's more difficult if students/families can't do that. SJ On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:26 AM, John Watlington w...@laptop.org wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:19 PM, Albert Cahalan wrote: What do you do when a kid loses his XO? Does he just miss out on an education, or does the school stick to XO-free lessons? How many replacements are you going to give him? What do you do when a monitor/keyboard breaks, leaving you with 24 seats for a class of 25 ? Or worse, a CPU unit, leaving you with 20 seats for a class of 25 ? This is a problem faced in every deployment of technology in schools. What about the kid that lost his textbook(s) ? I'd love to hear some educators thoughts on handling this dilemma. Cheers, wad ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] What's going on with Text To Speech on the XO?
Hemant, Tomeu, Assim and all, Has there been any progress on TTS since last summer? I'd love to see this project move forward. Prabhas has also indicated some interest in working on language-learning support, which is directly related... It would also be nice to have Listen and Spell among the regularly tested activities. SJ On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:22 PM, James Simmons jim.simm...@walgreens.com wrote: Ed, Thanks for your response. I never questioned that there was still interest in TTS on the XO. What I was wondering is if there was any progress made by Hemant Goyal or anyone else in getting the Speech-Dispatcher software included with the Sugar distribution, if the newer version of Python that resolved the power management issue was included, etc. I've sent a couple of emails to Hemant and haven't heard back from him. I was wondering if he was still working on these things, or if someone else had taken over his work, etc. He was making RPMs for Fedora for installing speech-dispatcher. James Simmons Edward Cherlin wrote: Welcome back. There is significant interest from other organizations in our use of TTS with text coloring. I have just started discussions with the Doug Engelbart Foundation, Creative Commons ccLearn, Alan Kay's Viewpoints Research, and OLE about a new project to create a full range of teaching materials around Sugar. TTS-TC is important for literacy, of course, and also for language learning. ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: Im gonna try and make this easy: SoaS - the latest fedora core based I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed stick? Aleksey Lim recently took over this orphaned package. Can you get in touch with him (alsroot on IRC) and help work it out? I have yet to even try SoaS but information on what activities do and don't work should be posted to http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus so we can triage them. We are watching that page. Thus far most of our work has been migrating activities over to SL.org but hopefully we can start actually getting them to work on SoaS soon. On a sidenote: some of the most exciting work for me last summer was Hemant's text-to-speech work, which would have real impact if its integration into Sugar were completed. How close is that to being possible? http://dev.laptop.org/~wadeb/TypingTurtle-9.xo is the latest release but I can't guarantee it works on anything but XO. [Getting pretty hot...] SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Governance.
You could try something like sharing the catalog of discussions but not discussions themselves. A private tech list I remember (a private version of wikitech-l?) made a point of publishing the subject lines of its archives so that people understood what it was being used for, or could ask for specific discussions to be made public / summarized, c. SJ On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think anyone (on slobs) is on the fence about transparency. I think that people don't always take the time to think about what list what message should be sent to. And often times a discussion that starts in one place evolves into a conversation that belongs in a another place. Having someone to look over shoulders to remind people to move the conversation to the appropriate list would be a service. Woodhouse is quite good at this. But I suppose that rather than having one person tasked with this, we should all get into the habit of reminding each other... -walter On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 08:14:22PM -0500, Walter Bender wrote: Here is my short-term suggestion: Why don't we appoint you as a monitor of the slobs list. No, thanks -- I don't feel that I can be responsible for SL's organizational conscience. Instead, I believe that this is something that we each must be responsible to ourselves and to one another for maintaining. Any message that you think should be public, send to iaep (blipping out names if necessary). I wouldn't want such a monitor to publish documents that the audience couldn't agree among themselves to publish -- that would be neither transparent nor consensus-based. On the other hand, if the audience can agree to publish the materials, then why not just send the messages to iaep@ in the first place? That'll prevent us form inadvertently keep secrets from the community. More likely, it will lead people who are on the fence about transparency and consensus-based decision-making to communicate by means of a different side-channel than sl...@. Perhaps a better solution would be to find ways for people who are on the fence about transparency to adjust to its requirements while still achieving their true ends? Regards, Michael -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting
In that vein, I'd love for someone to document how to add new graph-reviewing, labelling, and import/export options to Measure. Using graphs one has made, or looking at a history of graphs made and data gathered, is hard -- not necc. easy enough to use in an ongoing science experiment. --SJ On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 18:17 -0500, Wade Brainerd wrote: Hi everyone, Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode. http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings Wade, great idea! I would love to attend but unfortunately 3 PM EST translates to 2 AM Saturday morning. I do have an item to add to the agenda, which you and I have discussed previously. I would love for someone on the activityTeam to document how to easily add new instruments to TamTam. I have added this as a High-impact task on the ToDo List We do have a Nepali volunteer Vrishank Khanal who is trying to figure this out. Vrishank is brand-new to linux, programming, and open-source so adding instruments to TamTam may be beyond his current abilities if the task requires C Programming and/or CSound scripting. He has contacted Jean Piche. Let's hope he hears back soon. -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Activities] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting
Note: there will also be a global volunteering meeting at the same time in #olpc from 3-5, and we will drop in and join for some of the activity discussion. SJ On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode. http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings All are encouraged to attend. I will be especially happy to see the following kinds of people well represented: - Current and former activity developers, maintainers, packagers, testers! - Kind souls willing to help slog through and categorize the hundreds of Sugar activities at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus. - Deployment representatives who need activities activity features yesterday. - G1G1 participants who want to get involved. - Representatives from the other SL teams. Hope to see you there, -Wade ___ Activities mailing list activit...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/activities ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [OLPC library] bookrea...@lists.laptop.org , collaborations with the gnubook project
Mikus, Some readers are mainly accessed online, but a reader is not a 'web' service per se, it is an interface. Now it's true that every interface is a service of a sort... I could host an fbreader instance for you, but that wouldn't change anything. Comparing fbreader with a standalone gnubook instance (say by adding gnubook support to evince, which we are considering), and with the current Read activity (which should be more flexible than just a pdf reader to live up to its name, and read all formats), is a pertinent subject to address. I think it likely that the best readers will not require the overhead of a browser, but there are certain advantages to readers that work the same online and off. SJ On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: Dear all, We are working with the gnubook developers to help optimize it for reading books on the XO. Back in November, the majority of the discussion in the OLPC Library list concerned what the OLPC did (plus descriptions thereof). Since then, discussion has been much about __non-OLPC__ capabilities such as bookreader and gnubook. From what I can gather, these are Web services (though suited for children's use) -- which I prefer to access from a display physically larger than what the OLPC provides. What I have done for myself is install on my XO as many *programs* for ebook reading as I could find (FBReader, Adobe Reader, jbook reader, etc). Plus I have an SD card in my XO to which I save the texts that I access with those programs. Then I can use the XO for what it was designed for - to read books in places where there is *no* web connectivity. If all you are discussing is how to use a browser -- then there is no specific need for an XO to be involved. mikus ___ Library mailing list libr...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/library ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] bookrea...@lists.laptop.org , collaborations with the gnubook project
Dear all, We are working with the gnubook developers to help optimize it for reading books on the XO. Those of you who have tested it out already know what it looks like; for the rest of you, you can still see it in action at the open library. Help and suggestions are much appreciated. If your own projects use less hackable book readers, please consider migrating to gnubook -- every Internet Archive book will be available in that format. http://openlibrary.org/olpc/bookreader https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnubook We are also working with CK12 to start wikifying some useful public domain texts, so that teachers can start making localized versions of them. This is another step towards the goal of useful wikibooks for every student -- and tools to let every student create their own books. Their flexr toolchain is undergoing rapid development, and it makes me grin every time I use it. Poke user:jgay if you want more access to it than you get by default (say, to create your own book from scratch)... have faith that underneath the sexy exterior is the heart of a mediawiki instance, ready to synch with your favorite wiki anywhere else in the world. http://flexbooks.ck12.org/flexr/ For discussions about every part of this toolchain, from annotation and uploading to reading to bookshelf collection creation, we are setting up a new list : bookrea...@lists.laptop.org Some of the initial discussion will be carried out here, to solicit input from everyone; you are encouraged to join that list for more detailed discussion. Regards, SJ ps - At some point in the platonic future these topics may merge with those on wikirea...@lists, but for now the former is primarily about finding, organizing, and sharing mostly-static booklists or syllabi, and the latter is focused on compiling, copyediting, and sharing collections of thousands of wiki articles, with dense internal links and regular revisions and updates. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] XOCamp diplomas? + beg for housing
ok, our couch is taken up by jameson (and other folks the other nights o the week)... others pls continue updating that page with couch info! cheers, SJ On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Brian Jordan bcjor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: 2. Housing beg I will be in Boston from the night of the 12th (Monday, arriving on a late train) to that of the 17th (leaving by train on the morning of the 18th). I am confident that I can, if necessary, find housing independently of this list; but it would be nicer to be staying with other XO people. If anybody has a couch/room available, please let me know privately. Thanks. We need an [[XO couchsurfing]] page. I'll get back to you on the availability of our Cambridge couch. Please post to the list rather than privately - or at least keep me in the loop too. :-) Hey, it's a big couch (-: Jonas, I take it you need a place too? I and Andrius Kulikauskus, too. Please update with your own couch info: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_couchsurfing When is R night? Thursday (as in MTWRF) SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] XOCamp diplomas? + beg for housing
Hi Jameson, On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:19 AM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com wrote: 1. Diplomas I know it sounds ridiculous, but here in Guatemala every conference or Not /that/ ridiculous. Keep reminding us about this. The idea is so foreign to me that I keep forgetting to follow up on it. I'd be happy to throw something together. I would need a list of attendees who want them, and 1 or 2 people with official titles to sign the things; and I'd like some resources for printing the things (printer and nice paper, or a few bucks to acquire [the use of] those). If you could put this together that would be great. We can then use Seconded. Send what you throw together to the lists, and we can give you feedback. And we can get it printed up here so you don't have to travel with them / we can fill out last-minute attendees. [also, it doesn't make sense to give them out /before/ people attend... so that they preserve whatever little value they have] 2. Housing beg I will be in Boston from the night of the 12th (Monday, arriving on a late train) to that of the 17th (leaving by train on the morning of the 18th). I am confident that I can, if necessary, find housing independently of this list; but it would be nicer to be staying with other XO people. If anybody has a couch/room available, please let me know privately. Thanks. We need an [[XO couchsurfing]] page. I'll get back to you on the availability of our Cambridge couch. SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] XOCamp diplomas? + beg for housing
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: 2. Housing beg I will be in Boston from the night of the 12th (Monday, arriving on a late train) to that of the 17th (leaving by train on the morning of the 18th). I am confident that I can, if necessary, find housing independently of this list; but it would be nicer to be staying with other XO people. If anybody has a couch/room available, please let me know privately. Thanks. We need an [[XO couchsurfing]] page. I'll get back to you on the availability of our Cambridge couch. Please post to the list rather than privately - or at least keep me in the loop too. :-) Hey, it's a big couch (-: Jonas, I take it you need a place too? Please update with your own couch info: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_couchsurfing SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] XOCamp fundraising (and, please sign up to donate)
Please don't wait. Draft the post, and point to [[sugar:XOCamp 2]] where I'll put the details. SJ On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com wrote: I was just about to write a guest post for OLPCNews asking for (tax deductible) contributions towards the travel scholarship fund for XOCamp. But when I asked on IRC if anybody had any good photos of Sugarcamp to include, they told me to wait, because SJ has to move the fundraising page off of the OLPC wiki (for tax reasons or something). I wanted to get this done ASAP because time is growing short, but I'm going to the country (offline) until Monday or Tuesday. So: if anybody can take on the task of waiting until the page is moved, then writing a fundraising post to OLPCNews, I'd really appreciate it, and so would the rest of the people who are looking for partial travel scholarships. There's applications from Guatemala, where exciting things are happening and 3000 XOs will be arriving next year; from Uruguay, where Proyecto Ceibal is now the organization with more experience in XO deployment than anyone else; and from Denmark, to help with packaging issues; and more applications are expected. All donations are tax deductible, going through sugarlabs. Thanks, Jameson On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 04:19:54PM -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote: It's getting to be time to buy tickets for XOCamp 2, which is in under a month now. Those of us who'd like to come from far away would love to know whether we can get some financial support for our journey. I am wondering: Do you guys think it would be relevant for me to participate in this? I mean, I don't develop activities themselves and am not a construcionism theorist. I just do packaging for Debian an Debian-edu, and do what I can to unite the Sugar packaging efforts of .deb based distros. I do not foubt that I am welcome. Question is more if you imagine that it would be beneficial for the project - also as I would like to request financial support for my travel costs (I live in Denmark). Your presence would be highly beneficial. We have been having serious packaging problems. I don't know how they differ between distros, but I feel the lack every day on Ubuntu. I can offer to stay longer in the area, before and/or after the event, if anyone would find that beneficial. - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklHJdsACgkQn7DbMsAkQLiezQCgkQr3++cqyhjQ4q0ZcBoSMMn2 GNIAnjjUtxooWDXNKmVVEHmS6kt+e6+q =eqs/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar for Service Learning
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:24 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_as_Service_Learning I've spoken to a number of people about creating an on ramp and eventually a marketing channel by having developed country students, with good computer and internet access, help our project by testing Sugar. My particular angle on it is having them burn a Sugar on a Stick, but we should probably extend the vision to G1G1 people, and having people create emulations. Caroline, a nice idea. Please edit away! I will try to act as gardener, I think this is a big topic and it'll take some trys to figure out how to structure it logically. Perhaps you can start with groups of students/testers that have helped very briefly in focused Sugar or activity tests. Any leaders out there for this concept? Any teachers with High School students who want to be our first Alpha testers and creators of a service learning program? Earth Treasury is starting a project to create digital textbooks and teacher training materials. Ed, can you please include a URL when you make statements like this? Currently I am without an XO, Only temporary, I hope. How did this happen? The Tech Museum of Innovation in San Jose would like in principle to be a test site, Now this would be fantastic. SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Getting volunteers started (was Re: introduction - hi I'm Donna)
Hello, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Donna Benjamin do...@cc.com.au wrote: I think there is a steadily growing number of people keen to _do_ something productive to contribute to the project. For some people that might just be buying a machine via G1G1 - but I'm more interested in working with those who want to contribute time and expertise. Whether this is by thinking through the That sounds great. The OLPC support-gang could use more people to help review and reply to interested emails from people offering these things. If you don't mind learning how to use our rt and trac tools, Adam or I could give you a quick run-down of what is involved. Indeed. Elsa Culler and Nikki Lee are interested in creating a newsletter for people who want to become involved. I have provided A great idea. Any initial sketches? Even draft newsletters need URLs... I guess my gut feel sees a Local Sugar Lab as primarily focussed on software development - bug testing triage and development. I also think there's scope here for developers to better grok pedagogy - and teachers to better grok software development. Perhaps some focus on teaching teachers programming could be part of Sugar Labs remit? (Squeak, eToys, Scratch, Alice, Python, Smalltalk etc...) Anything necessary that is out of scope for OLPC and Sugar Labs goes to Earth Treasury. If you know of anything that isn't getting done, please bring it to my attention. Both the OLPC and the Sugar Labs wiki lists are flexible and open to new related programs or efforts that people want to pursue. Earth Treasury has a yahoo group + a page on the SL wiki, but as far as I know it lacks founding documents, a website, or public lists of members or active projects... it would be easier to respond to bold claims about what ET does or does not do if those existed. Questions: HOW do we facilitate sugar exploration by willing teachers? A good question. Also : how do we facilitate mentorship between willing teachers with less/more experience? come with Turtle Art. My favorite is flower.ta. Tile-based programming +1 for flower.ta :-) Edward Cherlin writes: Tell me more. Earth Treasury is getting ready to go into schools in Ghana and Uganda, and will be delighted to help with any others. What does 'getting ready to go into schools' mean? SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing
Ncomputing is certainly not greener than using XOs, except perhaps for the part where you use computers in a comp. lab less than you use a portable laptop. But [no accounting] it's popular. It lets you use existing monitor and sysadmin infrastructure. And a skole/sugar or ubuntu/sugar setup that runs on Ncomputing labs would rock. Someone should find out what they currently recommend for the user software stack in an NC lab. It can hardly compare with the sugar activity selection or unified experience. SJ On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: We had a similar thin client system in the computer lab of an education conference recently. At least 2 of the sessions could not run as planned because the workstations did not have the functionality of a normal PC. In my case I needed 32M of video memory. The same criticism though could be made of any low cost system, there's lots of software you can't run on an OLPC. Their claim since Ncomputing uses only 1 watt of energy (compared to 110 watts for a PC), electricity usage is cut by more than 90% ignores the power in the monitor, maybe 100W. Similarly, the monitor cost may be similar to the cost of an OLPC. The OLPC and its competitors like the eee may be better value. I had a pissing match with their founder in the WSJ about a year ago... I didn't get any straight answers from him about costs or learning. But Sugar on their Ubuntu thin client sounds doable. -walter On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody evaluated Ncomputing's claims on cost, power, and the like for school deployments? For example, http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Interview/Stephen_Dukker_CEO_Ncomputing/articleshow/3820649.cms http://www.ncomputing.com/republic-of-macedonia.aspx They run Ubuntu (or Windows) over thin clients, so they could run Sugar once the packaging problems are fixed (The journal currently saves precisely nothing). Has anybody talked with them? -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep _ This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:39 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope there are gobby sessions for all events, and that they are more brainstorming and writing than presentation and recording video. No. Wednesday talks are well-structured, compressed data, idea, open question and prototype dumps. Ok. I hope there are gobby sessions for all events, well-structured compressed data events as well as for brainstorming. Brainstorming is scheduled for Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Lovely. SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] November conference (meeting notes)
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm fine with roadmap discussion/coordination personally, I prefer hard decision to happen in the mailing lists where everyone can participate. Yes, and where there is some time to marshall arguments and data. SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [sugar] November conference (meeting notes)
Nice. A good point about Thanksgiving week -- the converse is that the week before is often midterms for students. But there are a number of local activity developers (or would-be devs who haven't finished their first!) that would be excited to join. SJ On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:16 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Mel Chua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like an *excellent* plan to me! I'd be certainly glad to participate and I'm sure will be the same for Tomeu. We can also involve some Boston local activity authors to help out mentoring. Great! So if Tomeu or any other core Sugar dev can commit to being a second, I'll lock in the date, get a place, and start the gears in motion. (I'm already starting to look for locations and the like right now, but nothing firm yet.) Sounds very good, you can count on me as well. Thanks, Tomeu ___ Sugar mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] November conference (meeting notes)
I agree with David that this is a good logical order. Mon and Tue aren't good days for some OLPC folks, but they might make good hackfest days. It would be great to have space we could use for the whole week; OLPC will be short of conference rooms. Walter, let me know if I can help with space at MIT. And Prof. Lewis might be able to help find space at Harvard. SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Wiki cleanup
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 9:56 AM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today I am finally getting to the long promised wiki cleanup. Why now? Three non-core contributors complained about the wiki this week:) (: Questions 3. Should testing and QA be merged? If so, under what name? Yes. 2. Update and add three items to a team's Faq. People are browsing the wiki looking for answers. Yes. But most are not looking for team answers, they want to know what Sugar and SL are. My number one request for cleaning up the SL wiki: write clearly and simply, and comprehensively, about its central subject. http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs http://sugarlabs.org/go/What_is_Sugar? SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-open] Go Viral! (was Fwd: Geek Gifting -- What geek gadgets are on your holiday gift list?)
Of course you can also gift an entire geek if you know the right fulfillment agencies... SJ On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just voted for G1G1 on this survey. Laptop: OLPC XO (amazon.com/xo) Please join me, and tell your friends. You might have to create your own account in order to vote. Also, please let us know of any other such opportunities. -- Forwarded message -- From: TechRepublic News Special Offers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 3:29 PM Subject: Geek Gifting -- What geek gadgets are on your holiday gift list? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TechRepublic Surveys From the Community Research Team at CNET Networks, Inc., a CBS Company Unsubscribe | Manage Subscriptions October 15, 2008 TechRepublic's Geek Gift Guide 2008 What geek gadgets are on your holiday gift list? Dear TechRepublic Member, TechRepublic is putting together the TechRepublic's Geek Gift Guide 2008 and we decided to ask our members what gifts they have on their shopping lists. Please take a few minutes to complete our survey and tell us what gadgets you're likely to plunk down your hard-earned cash on this holiday season, and don't forget to tell us what you want for yourself! To participate in our survey, follow the link below: Click to take the survey http://ct.techrepublic.com.com/clicks?t=71927195-d50a3b8b1782e0f8f827d77936c739e2-bfbrand=TECHREPUBLICs=5 We'll use your feedback as part of the TechRepublic's Geek Gift Guide 2008 and also publish the results on TechRepublic in the coming weeks. To show our appreciation for your participation, we are offering a free copy of the final TechRepublic's Geek Gift Guide 2008. If you want to receive the guide, simply enter your e-mail in the survey question that asks if you'd like to receive the final guide via e-mail. The survey will be open until 11:59 P.M. PT on Sunday, October 19, 2008, so take a few minutes now to complete the survey. As always, all your data will be kept strictly confidential, stripped of all personally identifiable information, and will never be shared with a 3rd party. Thanks for your continued support of our interactive research projects. Sincerely, Community Research Team P.S. Should you have any questions regarding authenticity or any other issues about this survey, please send an e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have been selected to receive this email because you indicated you wanted to receive valuable information and product updates from technology vendors when you provided your e-mail address to TechRepublic. Your email address has not been given to any Third Parties. Sign up for more free newsletters from TechRepublic - To manage your account settings or to remove yourself from all TechRepublic communications, please visit our Subscription Center. The e-mail address for your subscription is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe from this e-mail | FAQ | Advertise | Privacy Policy Copyright (c) 2008 CNET Networks, Inc., a CBS Company. All rights reserved. TechRepublic is a registered service mark of CNET Networks, Inc. The TechRepublic logo is a service mark of CNET Networks, Inc. CNET Networks, Inc. 235 Second Street San Francisco, CA 94105 U.S.A. -- Don't panic.--HHGTTG, Douglas Adams fivethirtyeight.com, 3bluedudes.com Obama still moving ahead in EC! http://www.obamapedia.org/page/Smears Join us! http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai For the children Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज ) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. ___ Olpc-open mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-open ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-open] G1G1 (was Re: [Community-news] OLPC News (2008-09-29))
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Sameer Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Sean DALY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Effective marketing is targeted. Last year's typical G1G1 donor was probably a generous IT type with a positive viewpoint concerning Free software, curious about Sugar and perhaps even willing to be an ambassador of the OLPC project. This market doesn't need a marketing message; they are ready to donate and merely eager for practical information (cost, available by Christmas or not, available outside the USA, if so with localized keyboards or not, at same price or not, +1 That said, while the message doesn't need to be targetted to these groups, we do need to find them; and while many of them will not be touched by a MSM publicity blitz, hundreds of thousands of them are devoted to one or two lists or communities already focused on free software, new technology, green power, sustainable rural education and health development, or poverty alleviation. These are places where the XO and OLPC as a project are already used as examples of what is possible. To my surprise, that doesn't mean that these people keep up with the latest news or know much about what OLPC has done in the past two years. I meet a number of them that missed last year's g1g1 entirely. partnership. The most effective merchandising could be what Apple has done for decades: a few decals/stickers slipped in the box before shipment -- easily designed and printed with negligeable picking/packing and shipment cost. +1 That's a good idea. I don't know how easy the slipping-into-the-box part is. This just came to me while sitting in traffic - a stylized bumper sticker: My other XO is in Mongolia (or Rwanda, Haiti, etc. Randomize the stickers or give them a few to choose from:-)) We have a lot of creativity on these lists. Let it rip! My other XO is... or my other laptop is... are great memes. I've seen some great shirts around the latter concept. Massive buzz could be generated by another technique Apple has used for years: the education discount. Offer the pair at $375 for educators and university students, and $425 for others. Imagine thousands of educators holding an XO in their hands, the community feedback potential. I would venture that the less said about the XO-2 at this time, the better. I believe the priority should be to combat the perception that OLPC has fallen short and discussing the future version might merely confuse everyone, in particular leading to speculation that something is not right with the XO-1. What G1G1 can do is remind everyone that hundreds of thousands of OLPC XO-1s have shipped and are shipping, and are serving children from Birmingham to Kigali. +1 The shipment numbers are impressive, and must be highlighted as much as possible. Everyone I've spoken to at first thinks of this as a faltered project, but then they hear the numbers and their eyes light up. Numbers assure that the project is alive and kicking. Strongly seconded. Even my tech-savvy friends who think they have been following OLPC are surprised by even our lower numbers of 200,000 laptops confirmedly being used regularly by children. The more we can spread the message of how successful we have been so far, and how pervasive the change in Peru and Uruguay is already (not to mention birmingham and kigali), the more we will inspire people to pass that message on. SJ G1G1 updates : http://wiki.laptop.org/go/G1G1_2008 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-open] G1G1 (was Re: [Community-news] OLPC News (2008-09-29))
Yikes. Undersaturated billboard markets... I wonder how such things impact the desire to 'launch' new announcements. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I saw a billboard in the Indianapolis airport this weekend advertising last year's G1G1 program!! Ed, you're right that there isn't much visibility yet on the net. We should do better (and earlier!) this year, and target more focused communities of interest. I'm sure that the PR group will deal with things like billboards and print/radio/tv media, but there are hundreds of thousands of people already deeply engaged in missions aligned with ours whom we can reach more directly. You might add to the lists here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Community_media Especially groups of interested people (like the readers of boingboing and slashdot, which generally pick up OLPC news, but also specific mailing lists that only hear fringes of information about the project, like environment and sustainable dev groups, retired grandparents, c). Last year we didn't draft much in the way of specific language for different audiences, but we should. Notes I send to my family about the program are very different from the more generic emails that go out. SJ Ed writes: This is the first time I have heard that G1G1 will start up again on Nov 17. As far as I can tell, nobody in the outside world has picked up on this yet. I s this a leak? Is it true? Has there been any outside announcement? Since it doesn't show up in Internet news searches, I am certain that there was no press release. Should I Slashdot this? ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
