[IAEP] Computation for thinking with (was IAEP] Sugar Digest 2013-10-05)

2013-10-05 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
On Oct. 5 Walter Bender wrote:
 In the early 1960s, while studying with Jean Piaget, Seymour Papert
 had the insight that computation was a thing to think with.

Ken Iverson's Turing Award lecture was titled Notation as a Tool of Thought.

http://www.jsoftware.com/papers/tot.htm

He, of course, used examples from his own language, APL (A Programming
Language), which inspired the creation of Backus's functional
programming languages (described in his Turing Award lecture), and
many others.

He quoted

Concerning language, George Boole in his Laws of Thought [1, p.24]
asserted “That language is an instrument of human reason, and not
merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally
admitted.”

Mathematical notation provides perhaps the best-known and
best-developed example of language used consciously as a tool of
thought. Recognition of the important role of notation in mathematics
is clear from the quotations from mathematicians given in Cajori’s A
History of Mathematical Notations [2, pp.332,331]. They are well worth
reading in full, but the following excerpts suggest the tone:

  By relieving the brain of all unnecessary work, a good
notation sets it free to concentrate on more advanced problems, and in
effect increases the mental power of the race.
 A.N. Whitehead

Ken's son Eric organized the annual Tool of Thought Conference to
follow up on that idea. You can see an example applied to our work
with Sugar, in Iverson's algebra textbook, which I have updated at

http://booki.treehouse.su/algebra-an-algorithmic-treatment/

as part of the Sugar Labs program for Replacing Textbooks (with Open
Educational Resources). Of course it would help if we could get the
language concerned, J, packaged for Fedora and Sugar.

In mathematics, the otherwise contentious Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis, that
the structure of language sets limits on what is readily thought, is
simply understood as a given. Of course, it does not mean that we
cannot go beyond those limits, just that it is very, very hard, and
that in some cases we have to invent more language so that more people
can do it. Historically, the clearest example is the difference
between the Newton dot and Leibniz d notations for calculus. Due to
the nationalist furore over precedence between Britain and Germany,
British mathematicians refused to use the Leibniz d notation until
Charles Babbage founded the Analytical Society to replace the dot-age
of England with the d-ism of the Continent.

Thus the proliferation of mathematical notations and of programming
languages and paradigms ever since.

There is a good deal more to this story, including the fact that
Turtle Art tree-structured programming is superior in Computer Science
terms and for children's use to textual programming, but I will leave
that unless somebody asks me.

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[IAEP] Fwd: [Womeninfreesoftware] 9/21 Cambridge area software freedom event

2013-09-12 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
Is anybody goint to this event to talk about education in and with
Free Software for girls?

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Subject: [Womeninfreesoftware] 9/21 Cambridge area software freedom event
To: Discussion re: increasing women's participation in free software
womeninfreesoftw...@gnu.org


Hi all,
I'm going to be speaking about Technology and Dystopia at Software
Freedom Day in Cambridge on Sept. 21st at Cambridge College.
(http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Boston_Software_Freedom_Day)  You'll hear
updates from local groups and voices from the wider free software
movement.

Expect learning, celebrating and plenty of networking. This event is
free and open to the public! Everyone is welcome: old FOSS friends
reconnecting, new people being introduced to free software for the
first time, and everyone in between. I hope you'll join me if you're
local!
Cheers,
Deb

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Re: [IAEP] Astrology at Spirituality for Kids

2013-08-25 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
On Sun, August 25, 2013 8:14 pm, James Simmons wrote:

 Between Get Books and Read Etexts and the Browse Activities a child
 wishing
 to study his own religion or others has a wealth of material to look at.
  Personally I'd leave it at that.  Sword is OK, and if there is something
 for studying the Koran that's OK too. If I could figure out how a Python
 program could make studying the Gita easier or more enjoyable I'd write
 one.

You don't need to. We can use existing software such as Sword with any
text in English. Sword also deals with Unicode, so we should be able
to put in the Sanskrit Devanagari as well. There is also software for
creating concordances, and there are dictionaries in the Public
Domain. Let me know if you would like a set of links for all of that,
and I will ask around to see who else would like to work on it. I have
contacts with organizations doing electronic versions of Buddhist,
Muslim, Sikh, and Daoist texts, would expect to be able to find many
others without trouble. Some of them have their own software. If you
would be willing to Sugarize some of it, we can talk.

http://www.crosswire.org/sword/index.jsp

The SWORD Project is the CrossWire Bible Society's free Bible software
project. Its purpose is to create cross-platform open-source tools--
covered by the GNU General Public License-- that allow programmers and
Bible societies to write new Bible software more quickly and easily.
We also create Bible study software for all readers, students,
scholars, and translators of the Bible, and have a growing collection
of over 200 texts in over 50 languages.

For example, they have a Bible in Hindi. I have not looked to see
whether it is in Devanagari or Romanization. But I know that they do
full pointed Hebrew and polytonic Greek, and that they offer Strong's
Bible dictionaries in both.

 James Simmons

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[IAEP] Classroom research project in Indiana

2013-05-22 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
I have been offered funding for a research project on XOs, Sugar, and
OERs, and I would like to get information on similar projects.

The funding would cover XOs and other equipment (power, WiFi, server),
teacher training, and testing, at least, for one classroom, preferably
in an inner-city school in Indiana. We would also try out some OERs
from the Sugar Labs Replacing Textbooks program and from FLOSS
Manuals, and write some more. I have asked the Indiana University
eLearning Center and the Indiana DOEd eLearning people for their views
and possibilities for collaboration.

Indiana has a law allowing computers to be purchased from the textbook
budget. So if we could get a statewide OER project to replace all of
the textbooks, we could afford computers for all students at a net
savings.

The first question is how to get the hardware for this project, since
the usual minimum purchase is 10,000 units. Obviously there are
projects at education schools that have gotten past that obstacle.

I would like to gather data on all existing classroom projects in the
US in order to write a report on them for prospective partners. I
would share it with this community, of course. Perhaps there are
opportunities for collaboration between projects, as well.

I assume that many such projects have developed materials that would
be of use in this project, whether software, teacher training
materials, lesson plans, or any other.

The question of testing is a vexed one, as any of you know who have
seen the nonsense published about the Peru study. Opponents of our
work ignore improvements in cognitive skills, among other issues. More
broadly, none of us entirely know what else we should be measuring. In
general, in scientific inquiries, a good question is worth thousands
of ordinary answers.

I have also been approached for a very different OLPC project in
another country which I will write about when I know something more
definite. Well, I can say that there is involvement from an
international foundation, and possibly UNESCO, and that there is talk
of an international conference. But so far it is just talk.

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[IAEP] XO Help and open source docs conference

2013-04-10 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
If there is sufficient interest to get a team together, I can probably
attend. I can drive over from Indiana. I see that our Janet Swisher
will be speaking. So we could definitely organize a sprint.

On Wed, April 10, 2013 8:39 am, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
 Hi Gonzalo,

 thanks a lot for forwarding that invitation.

 Both the conference and the sprints sound like a great opportunity to
 update Sugar documentation (especially looking towards 1.00 / 0.100) and
 connect with others working in that area!

 Unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to attend myself as the prices
 for
 flights from Europe are very close to reaching their summer-high in
 mid-June (e.g. the absolutely cheapest option which I could find for
 Vienna-Cincinnati-Vienna would cost ~€830).

 Plus after the outcome of the documentation sprint in Boston last April
 (which left much to be desired) and our failure to be accepted at the
 Google DocSprint at the end of the year I think it might be a good idea to
 have new blood lead any such efforts. Daniel Francis has repeatedly
 expressed his interest in documentation lately, maybe someone can support
 him in putting together a team of kick-ass documentation ninjas for the
 event. :-)

 Cheers,
 Christoph

 On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Forward information about OpenHelpConference invitation.

 Gonzalo

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org
 Date: Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:18 AM
 Subject: XO Help and open source docs conference
 To: Gonzalo Odiard godi...@gmail.com, Brian Jordan br...@laptop.org,
 David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org, Bastien Guerry b...@altern.org


 Hi guys,

 I'm the team lead for the GNOME documentation team, and the developer
 of the documentation viewer and tools used in GNOME. I'm emailing you
 because you're all listed as the developers of the XO Help activity.

 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4051

 For the last two years, I've been running a conference that focuses
 on documentation and support in open source and open communities.
 The third Open Help Conference is this June.

 http://openhelpconference.com/

 We regularly get contributors to projects like Mozilla, OpenStack,
 FreeBSD, and of course GNOME. The two-day conference portion has a
 heavy emphasis on open, attendee-led discussions, with only a few
 presentations to spark the conversation.

 We also host a number of teams for doc sprints for three days after
 the conference. Sprint attendance is not mandatory, and each team
 runs its own sprint. The teams do get together to share thoughts
 and hang out.

 Do you think anybody within the Sugar and OLPC communities would
 be interested in attending? I think it's a shame that Sugar and
 GNOME people don't talk more often, and I'd love to meet anyone
 interested in documentation.

 Let me know if you have any questions.

 Thanks,
 Shaun





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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Fwd: [squeakland] The Dynabook and modern computing

2013-04-10 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
[I'm sorry, this got lost in cyberspace for a week.]

I'll give the same answer here.

Actually, it was agriculture that led to the idea of government as a
protection racket and to kneecapping or worse of those who refused to pay
their taxes. Hunter-gatherer cultures are tribal, not national, and far
more cooperative. I have historical and archaeological data on this if
anybody needs it. Or you could watch The Gods Must Be Crazy and its sequel
for humorous examples.

Run and tell everybody to come and help us eat this elephant. (Killed by
poachers, who took the tusks and left the body.)


On Tue, April 2, 2013 10:27 pm, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:
 It took me while to realize that I forwarded it to a wrong list...


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 From: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com
 Date: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:57 AM
 Subject: Re: Fwd: [squeakland] The Dynabook and modern computing
 To: Yoshiki Ohshima yoshiki.ohsh...@acm.org
 Cc: Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de


 Ask him: how did the invention of agriculture influence civilization?

 Or: what is ultimately more powerful, competition or cooperation?

 Cheers,

 Alan

 
 From: Yoshiki Ohshima yoshiki.ohsh...@acm.org
 To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com
 Cc: Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de
 Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 11:47 AM
 Subject: Fwd: [squeakland] The Dynabook and modern computing

 Benoit is asking this.

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 From: Benoît Fleury benoit.fle...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [squeakland] The Dynabook and modern computing
 To: Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de
 Cc: IAEP SugarLabs iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, squeakland list
 squeakl...@squeakland.org


 Thank you Bert for the link.

 I am not sure to understand this metaphor with agriculture.

 One way to think of all of these organizations is to realize that if
 they require a charismatic leader who will shoot people in the knees
 when needed, then the corporate organization and process is a failure.
 It means no group can come up with a good decision and make it stick
 just because it is a good idea. All the companies I’ve worked for have
 this deep problem of devolving to something like the hunting and
 gathering cultures of 100,000 years ago. If businesses could find a
 way to invent “agriculture” we could put the world back together and
 all would prosper.

 If someone could explain me what it means.

 Thanks,
 Benoit.


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 wrote:
 Time interviews Alan Kay:

 http://techland.time.com/2013/04/02/an-interview-with-computing-pioneer-alan-kay/

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Re: [IAEP] Suggestions needed for Learning(Teaching) reading

2013-02-28 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
On Wed, February 27, 2013 8:09 pm, Steve Thomas wrote:
 I will be heading to Haiti next month and the teachers are requesting
 feedback and ideas on teaching English at the school I will be visiting.

 I am looking for good resources on methods of teaching/lessons, software
 suggestions and non computer games and methods of learning.

One of the best methods for teaching foreign languages is the
microwave technique created by Earl Stevick of the US Foreign Service
Institute, one of the top language schools in the world. It consists
of short, carefully sequenced lessons that introduce single points of
grammar, which are then reinforced in dialogs where students are
encouraged to explore the possible range of variation in using the
expressions they have just learned. Microwave was adopted by the Peace
Corps for all of its language materials and courses in something like
80 languages. I was taught a little bit of the technique as an English
teacher with the Peace Corps in South Korea in the 1960s.

There is A Microwave Course in English as a Second Language (For
Spanish Speakers) available for free download from the US government
Educational Resources Information Center Web site.

http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/search/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true_ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=ED035876ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=noaccno=ED035876

A teacher's manual exists, but I have not seen it offered for download.

Obviously, this is not quite what the Haitian teachers want. It would
require significant work to adapt it to the requirements of speakers
of standard French or of Kreyòl Ayisyen, and to make it usable at
other than the adult level.

I can assist. I have been working on the similar Microwave Course in
Spanish (for English speakers), and trying to get a Creative Commons
license to permit wider use, adaptation, and republishing. We do not
know who owns the copyright at present, since the original publisher,
Lingoco, has gone out of business. I could do with some assistance in
such issues of licensing.

 I have ordered Proust and the Squid and am looking at Maryanne Wolf
 video's suggested by Mike Lee.

 Thanks,
 Stephen

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Re: [IAEP] video of XOs in the Amazon

2013-01-31 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
I added a paragraph on the documentary and the YouTube excerpt, with
references, to the English-language version of the page. Can somebody
let the children know so that they can translate it for the
Spanish-language page?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestina,_Peru

I have wanted to suggest this practice of having students write
Wikipedia pages as a regular part of the curriculum for every OLPC
deployment, starting with pages in the local languages on every local
subject, and expanding to translations by students of various other
languages as they become sufficiently capable. I will write this up
for my blog, http://replacingtextbooks.wordpress.com/

This page mentions caywa, evidently a local crop for which there is no
Wikipedia page in either Spanish or English. I do not find it in
Spanish Wiktionary, either. Here is another page that mentions caywa
without explanation.

http://sachamama.livingroutes.org/2011/07/28/shukshuyaku/

Apparently the standard spelling is caigua, and the name is derived
from Quechua kaywa.

http://www.yanuq.com/buscador.asp?idreceta=1095

http://es.wiktionary.org/wiki/caigua

So I added a link to

Cyclanthera pedata
«Caigua» redirige aquí

Please thank the students for me, and let them know that I was
delighted to have the opportunity for a collaboration with them. No
hablo español realmente, pero sé leer. Qué los niños me escriben, por
favor. Muchas gracias.

On Thu, January 31, 2013 12:35 am, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote:
 A great story!

 From: w...@laptop.org
 Subject: video of XOs in the Amazon
 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:07:14 -0500
 To: de...@lists.laptop.org


 Wikipedia pointed me to this excerpt from an upcoming film, web.
 It shows kids with XOs in the Peruvian Amazon creating on Wikipedia:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XPnH_rF9ksfeature=youtu.be

 Cheers,
 wad

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[IAEP] Linux Foundation seeks video tutorials

2013-01-30 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
Would anybody care to submit a tutorial about Linux on an XO or Sugar
on a Stick? They are asking specifically about spreading Linux around
the world. I have some ideas about what we could show.

http://video.linux.com/100-linux-tutorials
100 Linux Tutorials Video Campaign

Join us in building a collective knowledge base for Linux! The Linux
Foundation is inviting you to share your knowledge of Linux with
people who are just getting started. Help us remove barriers to
learning Linux and transfer expertise around the globe.
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Re: [IAEP] Factorisation visualisation was Sugar Digest 2013-01-25

2013-01-27 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
You can't do functions with arguments in Turtle Art, and so obviously
you can't do full recursion with stacked and shadowed arguments
directly in Turtle Art, but you can implement much of recursion in any
of the usual ways using the push and pop stack blocks or other dodges.
Have a look at the fractal examples in the library. Or you could call
Python to create a list to store partial results in.

The case of tail recursion, where none of the recursive calls have to
return because the recursive call is the last statement in the
function, is easy. In pseudocode, with handwaving of some details that
I leave as exercises,

Set count to 0

Give variable n a positive integer value.

Factorize
If n=1, end
ElseIf n is prime, push n; increment count
Else find a factor m of n, and push that factor; increment count
Factorize n/m

ShowResult
while count0
  print pop m
  decrement count

Of course in Logo you have full recursion. In the Etoys version of
Turtle Art, you can use recursion in Smalltalk.

On Sun, January 27, 2013 3:14 am, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote:
 To: sthom...@gosargon.com
 From: fors...@ozonline.com.au
 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:44:51 +1100
 CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
 Subject: [IAEP] Factorisation visualisation was Sugar Digest 2013-01-25

   http://www.datapointed.net/visualizations/math/factorization/animated-diagrams/
 
 
  Beautiful, thanks for sharing. If anyone does code this up, please
 allow
  for stepping (rather than playing) and allow kids to enter numbers and
  factors, so they can guess and look for patterns.  Or kids could
 create
  their own versions in Turtle Art or Etoys as part of a lesson.

 Hi

 Clunky but working in Turtle Art at
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Turtle_Art_factors.ta

 Its limited to 3 factors, I couldn't see any way to have an arbitary
 number of factors without recursion and I couldn't see any way to get
 recursion in Turtle Art
 Good!
 I change the .ta to this automatic version that begins in 1 and
 continues.. see .ta attached..

 Tony

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[IAEP] Classroom of the Future (was Re: Looking for a school to see technology in education in action in Orlando or Miami area)

2013-01-10 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
On Thu, January 10, 2013 11:35 am, Rita Freudenberg wrote:
 Hi,

 on behalf of my colleagues I'm looking for a school they can visit while
 they are attending FETC conference in Orlando at the end of this month.
 Here in Magdeburg, Germany, we are working in a project classroom of the
 future, dealing with the technological and educational challenges when
 using laptops in the classroom.

Would your project be interested in discussing OERs and digital
learning materials technologies, such as Etoys, EPUB3, and HTML5? We
have established that computers with Free Software and OERs cost much
less than printed textbooks, and we know in principle that OERs can be
used to integrate Free Software into the curriculum in every school
subject, including gym/PE.

If the answer to the above question is yes, then consider this an
application for me, as head of Replacing Textbooks at Sugar Labs, and
a contributor to FLOSS Manuals and so on, to join your project.

Columbus, Indiana, where I now live, has started to put computers in
the classroom. California has a Free Digital Textbooks Initiative.
Bangladesh and South Korea are well along in developing free digital
textbooks and classroom computers. Indonesia has made a public
commitment to do so, and has made a strong start on digitizing
existing textbooks. India is sort of thinking about it with the
underpowered Aakash computer. This is in addition to countries
committed to OLPC projects, and other projects using other computers,
other software, and other OERs. Creative Commons, UNESCO, and UNDP are
all very active in OERs, although UNESCO needs some help to get
started on K-12 materials. UNHWR would also be interested, for example
in putting OERs into its school deployments in Palestinian refugee
camp schools in Gaza and elsewhere.

There will be an international conference on OERs in Bali, Indonesia
this year. I expect that school tours can be arranged.

http://conference.ocwconsortium.org/index.php/2013/2013
OCWC Global Conference 2013
Bali Ayodya Resort
May 8, 2013 – May 10, 2013

OCWC Global 2013, hosted by APTIKOM Indonesia, will be held in Bali,
Indonesia May 8-10. Partnering with the OCWC and APTIKOM for the
realization of conference goals is a local organizing team which
includes the National ICT Council of Indonesia, Ministry of Education
and Culture, Ministry of Information and Communication, and the
Indonesian Open University.

Held annually, OCWC Global reunites the OCW/OER community for three
days of showcasing new projects, debating issues of common concern,
and exchanging useful practices in matters such as pedagogy, policy
and technology.

 They are very much interested to see how
 these things work in other countries.
 If you know a school they could visit or a person they could talk to,
 please let me know. They are not only interested to see best practice, but
 also, what kind of problems arise. Since we are at the beginning of this
 here in our area, we want to learn what works and what to anticipate.

 For plan b, do you think I could just approach schools in the area and ask
 if they can visit? They are both computer scientists, but their first
 training was to become teachers. Now they work here at the university in
 Magdeburg in the teacher training group.

 Thank you for your help!

 Greetings,
 Rita

 Rita Freudenberg
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Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-open] Healthcare - Potential Opportunity

2012-12-17 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
For images of the eye under CC-BY-SA,

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Eye

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn
alan...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I'm not sure why, but I not like much Etoys (with all my respect to my
 namesake Alan Kay :-)

 I prefer a pure-python activity. For example, a first activity could be: I
 know the Eye and use a
 similar image to this: (search: eye anatomy)

 External: (muscleds, etc)

 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-x4oGiQWiUA/TMP2dRqClBI/AGY/PuehgCY8WJM/s1600/eye+anatomy+2.jpg

 And internal:

 http://www.floridaeyeclinic.com/images/aao-G04-large.jpg

 The first problem is obtain a good image (CC creative commons or similiar
 free license).


 
 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:31:15 -0500
 From: sthom...@gosargon.com
 To: andry...@gmail.com
 CC: olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org; alan...@hotmail.com;
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 Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-open] Healthcare - Potential Opportunity

 Alan,

 If you have the materials (images, test, knowledge, etc.) I would be happy
 to work with you to create some materials in Etoys that could help educate
 folks about the eye and more importantly detect vision problems and provide
 suggestions and resources on how to deal with them.  If you send me some
 materials I can put something together in Etoys fairly quickly.  It would be
 available to all OLPC XO's and because its Etoys, it can also run on
 Windows, Mac and Linux (with no code changes).  If it works for both of us,
 we could put together some quick prototypes to help build a more robust
 case.

 Stephen

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 wrote:

 From: andry...@gmail.com
 To: olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org
 Subject: [Olpc-open] Healthcare - Potential Opportunity

 Hello, I'm new to this venue but am looking to contribute and/or determine
 if I might have some material that would benefit the community.  I work
 for
 a healthcare company that specializes in vision and was wondering if there
 was any need for material on healthy vision or perhaps an interactive eye
 model to teach children about the different parts of the eye.  It could be
 anything in this realm really - the sky is the limit.

 My company is constantly looking for ways to give back and if there was
 some
 interest in this I'd look to build a more robust case and inquire more
 deeply into whether the company would be willing to put some resources
 behind this.

 Is there anyone on this distribution list that would be able to point me
 in
 the right direction?


 I would suggest taking a look at the accumulated notes and links on these
 pages.

 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Vision_screening

 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Visual_Acuity

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[IAEP] Fwd: With AdWords Express we manage your ads - get started with 2 months free* advertising

2012-11-28 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
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[IAEP] SoaS in Fargo (was Re: IAEP Digest, Vol 56, Issue 23)

2012-11-22 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
Tony Forster and I have been creating Turtle Art tutorials on various
art, math, programming, and Computer Science subjects, which you can
find at

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt/Tutorials

Please let us know whether any of this would be useful in your
curriculum, and whether there are any other materials you would like
us to help develop. Our topics range from preschool (You Be the
Turtle) to a Turtle Art Turing Machine.

On Mon, November 19, 2012 12:34 pm, Brooks, Kevin wrote:
 John,

 we run a SoaS after school program at two K-6 schools in Fargo.  We have a
 computer science undergraduate making the sticks, and I'll warn you--our
 failure rate on sticks is often about 20%.  We haven't been able to
 identify all the problems: sometimes them simply won't boot, other times
 they will boot and work for a session or two and then fail.  Sometimes the
 kids just yank them out--we are pretty sure that isn't a good idea.  ; )

 We have a 14 week curriculum posted on our website, but we have modified
 it for this year. We haven't posted the new stuff.  We just meet once a
 week for about 45 minutes a session.  After a single day overview of Sugar
 we have focused on Turtle ARt for 5 weeks (going on 6).  We are very happy
 with this curriculum.  Last year we split our spring curriculum between
 Physics (which the kids love) and Etoys (which they don't).  You'd think
 we would stick with Physics this year, but we might give Etoys another
 run.  : )

 Oh, I noticed you are aiming for 5-7 year olds; we work with the upper
 range: 10-12.  We can still talk technical stuff and I could guess at some
 pedagogical issues with 5-7 years.  I've had my own kids use Sugar.

 Feel free to call or Skype, John, if you want more details.

 Kevin
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 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:10:09 -0500
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 Not sure if this email list is the proper place to post, but I wanted
 to introduce myself to the community.

 I work in Philadelphia, teaching technology and media literacy at a
 K-6 (ages about 4-12) charter school.

 I'm interested in using Sugar on a Stick with my 5-7 year old
 students.  I need a bit of guidance as I explore this new territory,
 both on the technical and the pedagogical side of things.

 So, first question: have I got the right community or should I be
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[IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18

2012-09-19 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
I would go further. Can we invite the children to give us their
stories? They should be wikified, blogged, made the subject of
articles in the geek and education press, and spread even more widely
than that. Better still, can we invite the schools where this children
are learning and sharing to celebrate them using Sugar tools to create
interactive presentations?

On Wed, September 19, 2012 10:52 am, James Simmons wrote:
 Walter,

 First, congrats on the grandchild.

 Second, I am intrigued by the statement that 10% of Sugar Activities were
 written by children who grew up with Sugar.  That is an incredible
 accomplishment, and it makes me wish that the ASLO website had a
 Collection
 of those Activities.  If something like that existed I could see what
 kinds
 of Activities they were doing, how many were programs written for other
 environments using a Sugar wrapper, how many are purely Sugar Activities,
 who the developers are, what Sugar features are they using and not using,
 how popular the Activities are, etc.

 It would also give our younger developers a way to stand up and be
 counted.

 James Simmons


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Re: [IAEP] My problem with your OUI is that I can't see what problem it is solving.

2012-09-16 Thread mokurai
, is a means to an end, but
 (particularly
 in a monopoly market) there is always the risk of it becoming political
 territory, as with the Academie Francaise for example, fighting off the
 linguistic invasion of l'Anglish./div
 
  div
 style=vertical-align:baseline;margin:0px;border:0px;padding:0pxbr/divdiv
 style=vertical-align:baseline;margin:0px;border:0px;padding:0pxbut if
 evolution is truly inevitable, might it not be better to go with it than
 stick one's heels in against it?/div
 
  div
 style=vertical-align:baseline;margin:0px;border:0px;padding:0pxbr/divdiv
 style=vertical-align:baseline;margin:0px;border:0px;padding:0pxaside
 from the surface interface issues of whether one should point with a
 finger
 or a mouse, or type on a screen or a keyboard (typing isn't going to go
 away anytime soon as reliable AI aural comprehension is still a long way
 off) - there are deeper issues; issues about the deep interface -
 issues
 about how the interface provides access to function.  Google has found a
 pretty good way of providing access to data - now users need one for
 providing obvious access pathways to function too, to make machines
 truly
 user-friendly./div
 
  div
 style=vertical-align:baseline;margin:0px;border:0px;padding:0pxbr/divdiv
 style=vertical-align:baseline;margin:0px;border:0px;padding:0pxand a
 means of facilitating collaboration:  if there is one still green field
 waiting to be ploughed, it is the field of synchronous real-time
 collaborative creative activity extending beyond mere chat.  user
 collaboration takes place inside an application, but the screen
 management
 and filesystem support engineering needs to provide the props for that
 to
 occur smoothly, to assure data integrity, etc.  this is one of the
 stated
 design goals of sugar; i don't know whether it is also a design goal of
 android./div
 
  div
 style=vertical-align:baseline;margin:0px;border:0px;padding:0pxbr/divdiv
 style=vertical-align:baseline;margin:0px;border:0px;padding:0pxbelow
 is
 one suggestion on how desktop and playground metaphors of android/linux
 and
 sugar respectively could coalesce and evolve, so that the user interface
 gets out of the user's way and becomes merely a means to the end of
 facilitating interaction with the real educational (or other functional)
 content instead of (as in the case of sugar) shouting about itself in
 the
 user's face or (as in the case of linux) being awkwardly troublesome for
 the non-geek:/div
 
  div
 style=vertical-align:baseline;margin:0px;border:0px;padding:0pxbr/divdiv
 style=vertical-align:baseline;margin:0px;border:0px;padding:0pxa
 href=
 https://sites.google.com/site/djhbrown2/oui.pdf;
 style=margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(102,17,204)
 target=_blankhttps://sites.google.com/site/djhbrown2/oui.pdf/a/div
 
 
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[IAEP] Fwd: [Womeninfreesoftware] AdaCamp July 10 - 11 in DC, Applications are open

2012-04-27 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
Anybody want to go and talk about all of our girls?


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Subject: [Womeninfreesoftware] AdaCamp July 10 - 11 in DC, Applications are open
To: Discussion re: increasing women's participation in free software
womeninfreesoftw...@gnu.org


Applications for AdaCamp DC are now open - apply now!

http://dc.adacamp.org/apply/

AdaCamp DC will be July 10 - 11, 2012, in Washington DC, co-located
with Wikimania 2012. We are likely to have more applications than
available slots, so apply now to have the best chance of attending.
Applications close June 15 (May 11 for those requesting travel
assistance).

Who should apply

AdaCamp DC will bring together a wide variety of people from open
technology and culture, all of whom are working to support women in
open tech/culture. We're looking for people who:

* Participate in open technology and culture: any field involving
open/grassroots/community participation and sharing the results of
your work for free: open data, open source software, wikis, open
government, open libraries, remix/fan culture, open video, and more
* Can share information about women's experiences in that field,
including talking about women's achievements and the challenges they
face
* Want to work together and share strategies to support and promote
women in the field
* Share the Ada Initiative's feminist approach to supporting and
promoting women in open technology and culture
* Are young and old; students, professionals and hobbyists; from a
diverse range of backgrounds; and reflect the breadth of the open
technology and culture field

AdaCamp is open to people of all genders. However, since AdaCamp and
the Ada Initiative exist to support and promote women in open
technology and culture, prospective attendees who are not themselves
women will need to demonstrate a high level of prior engagement and
experience with the issues faced by women in those fields in order to
be invited.

Find out more about AdaCamp DC at the event webpage: http://dc.adacamp.org/
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[IAEP] Fwd: Linux Foundation Announces 2012 Collaboration Summit Keynotes Program

2012-03-09 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
Anybody attending? Anybody going to tell them about our collaboration tools?

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collaboration and encourage solutions by bringing together a true
cross-section of leaders to meet face-to-face to tackle and solve the
most pressing issues facing Linux today.

Interested in attending the Collaboration Summit?  Space is limited at
this event, and runs out every year, so request an invitation to
attend today.

The Collaboration Summit 2012 Keynote Line-up Includes:

Frank Frankovsky, Facebook’s Director of Hardware Design and Supply
Chain talking about Open Compute
Imad Sousou, director of Intel’s OSTC, discussing the importance of
Linux at Intel
Feargal O'Sullivan, Global Head of Alliances at NYSE Technologies,
Inc. talking about how they open sourced the OpenMAMA middleware
system for the Financial Services industry at the Linux Foundation
Linux Kernel Developer Panel featuring James Bottomley, Parallels;
Keith Packard, Intel; John Linville, Red Hat and moderated by Greg
Kroah-Hartman, The Linux Foundation
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how Network Traffic Growth in the mobile industry is driving Linux and
Open Source Innovation
IBM’s Gerrit Huizenga will give a reality check on the state of Linux
and the cloud in a presentation titled “The Clouds Are Coming: Are We
Ready?
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Re: [IAEP] RFC:Simple Help widget for activities

2012-03-07 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
On Wed, March 7, 2012 7:37 am, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
 We receive many times request about adding help in the activities,
 and if is true Sugar propose a exploratory approach,
 not all the people learn in the same way,
 and there are people who prefer a little guidance.

I yield to nobody in my preference for letting students discover as
much as possible about Sugar, or anything else, but as I noted in The
Undiscoverable on the Wiki, it is not always possible, particularly
when dealing with named functions in math and programming, and
sometimes in other areas. There are times when hints are required, and
times when outright explanation is required. You will find many
examples of both in The Undiscoverable, and in the draft Discovering
Discovery at http://booki.treehouse.su.

On the other hand, Donald Norman famously complained, in The
Psychology of Everyday Things/The Design of Everyday Things, about
doors that require a user manual, even of one word, whether Push or
Pull. One should apply his design principles, and others like them, to
every item that appears to require a help entry.

 For the development we need a simple api, and easy i18n,
 and a non obtrusive experience for the user.

None of which is easy to replicate when reinventing the training wheel. ^_^

 Inspired by the DescriptionItem, I was experimenting with a widget to add
 simple help to activities.
 This is not:
 * A manual
 * Lessons
 * Tips
 Is a short startup help for the activity.

 Use only text and the icons already used by the activity.

 A example can be seen here:
 http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/images/simple_graph_help.png

 In the activity we only need do:

 helpitem = HelpButton()
 toolbar.insert(helpitem, -1)
 helpitem.show()
 helpitem.add_section(_('Basic usage'))
 helpitem.add_paragraph(_('First you need add data to create the
 graphic'))
 helpitem.add_paragraph(_('You can add data with this button'),
 'row-insert')
 helpitem.add_paragraph(_('...or remove data with this button'),
 'row-remove')
 helpitem.add_paragraph(_('To change the graphic title, just change the
 activity title'))
 

We should get the result of your work, when it stabilizes, added to
Making Your Own Sugar Activities.

 This proposal is late for sugar 0.96, but may be we can try it in one or
 two activities,
 and start thinking about this topic.
 I really like the help in the Implode activity, but have the following
 problems:
 * I don't know if apply to other type of activities.
 * Is modal
 * need a lot of code to implement it.

 Comments?

Thank you.

 Gonzalo

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] meeting announcement

2012-02-25 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
On Sat, February 25, 2012 8:46 pm, Chris Leonard wrote:
 +1

Or, in the J terminology I am using in updating Ken Iverson's book,
Algebra: An Algorithmic Treatment, :

I sent Walter a note that Google is now offering grants to US 501c3s.
I will see if I can get more detail for the meeting. There are other
grant opportunities that we could pursue.

 cjl

 On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Robert Fadel has got a great handle on the SL finances and is ready
 bring SLOBs and the community up to speed. Would Tuesday at 5:30PM EST
 (22:30 UTC) work?

 Usual place: irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting.

 regards.

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Re: [IAEP] Google Summer of Code

2012-02-12 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
On Wed, February 8, 2012 6:15 pm, Walter Bender wrote:
 It is that time of year again. We need to start soliciting
 participants in Google Summer of Code [1, 2]. We also need to organize
 our application to the program as a mentoring organization. Please
 contact me if you are interested in participating as a coder, a
 mentor, or administrator.

Can we propose projects to integrate free software into Open Education
Resources and thus into curricula? I would be delighted to mentor or
administer such projects, and to coordinate between GSoC projects and
FLOSS Manuals (for software manuals) and Sugar Labs (for Replacing
Textbooks). I have several lined up in math and can come up with
others in a variety of subjects.

I have recently been doing the coding for Algebra: An Algorithmic
Treatment, by Turing Award winner Kenneth E. Iverson. He wrote it for
APL on printing terminals in the early 1970s, and I have translated it
to his last language, J, on Linux, Mac, and Windows.

 regards.

 -walter

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[IAEP] [OLPC library] OLPC/Sugar Doc Sprint Apr 6-10 @ OLPC HQ in Boston

2012-02-09 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
Can any of us arrange to stay with somebody in the area while we work together?

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 03:55, Holt h...@laptop.org wrote:
 Plz read all the wiki details  RSVP here if you will contribute+attend, as
 we will very shortly reach capacity:

     http://j.mp/xomanual

 20 People Expected in Person, from 4+ continents: Sameer Verma, Mike Lee,
 Walter Bender, Claudia Urrea, Richard Smith, Christoph Derndorfer, Reuben
 Caron, Mark Battley, Paul Fox, George Hunt, Chris Ball, Nancie Severs,
 CScott Ananian, Craig Perue, Saadia Baloch, Bill Stelzer, Bernie Innocenti,
 Dogi Unterhauser, Laura de Reynal, Adam Holt, etc -- even Sugar Labs' new
 finance officer Robert Fadel, and Pablo Flores if we are lucky!

 BONUS PREGAME: Apr 2-6 video tutorials sprint proposed for our favorite
 Sugar activities, thanks to Bill Stelzer, Mark Battley, Laura de Reynal,
 Christoph Derndorfer and a growing list of talented mediamakers.

 VIRTUAL ROMANCE AIN'T: Please talk to Caryl Bigenho ca...@laptop.org and
 our public list libr...@lists.laptop.org if you are motivated to write a
 particular chapter, but cannot attend in person, thanks!!

 A huge thanks to Master of Ceremonies Laura de Reynal who will be organizing
 nightly social events for all.  She'll be working with Chris Ball (though he
 doesn't know it yet!) to organize several actual soccer/frisbee/etc matches
 too, get you limbered up, DO bring your April windbreaker  sneakers, as
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[IAEP] (no subject)

2012-02-04 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
Please pass this on to

 OLPC Australia olpc...@lists.laptop.org ,
 OLPC New Zealand olpc...@lists.laptop.org ,
 OLPC Oceania olpc-ocea...@lists.laptop.org ,
 Grassroots grassro...@lists.laptop.org 

On Fri, February 3, 2012 7:41 am, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
 Hello everyone,

 You may be interested in a review I have written of the OLPC Australia
 education programme:

 http://www.dhanapalan.com/blog/2012/02/01/creating-an-education-programme/

Thank you for this. Is Australia planning for the necessary conversion
from printed textbooks to all-digital Open Education Resources? I say
that it is necessary in part because the computers cost less than the
printed textbooks, and also because we cannot integrate computer
software into the curriculum until we go to digital OERs. Bangladesh
has done so, and both Uruguay and South Korea have announced plans to
do so.

There are OERs on almost every subject at all levels, but outside
Bangladesh there are no complete integrated suites covering all of the
requirements, including teacher training. We need governments and
school authorities to take this problem seriously, to plan for what is
needed, and to think about how to organize and fund the conversion.

 It contains the video of a talk I gave at the linux.conf.au conference
 in January, and a more detailed explanation of that talk.

 Some of the key points:

   * We have a com­pre­hens­ive edu­ca­tion pro­gramme that highly
 val­ues teacher empower­ment and com­munity engagement, with a focus
 on building sustainability.
   * The invest­ment to provide a con­nec­ted learn­ing device to every
 one of the 300 000 chil­dren in remote Aus­tralia is less than 0.1% of
 the annual edu­ca­tion and con­nectiv­ity budgets.
   * For low socio-economic status schools, the cost is only $80 AUD
 per child.
   * Our pro­gramme is avail­able to any school in Aus­tralia, for $380
 AUD per child.
   * Our programme is schools-centric, with a strong focus on the teacher.
   * A teacher must undergo training and earn a certification to
 qualify to receive XOs for their class.
   * Training is conducted online, and hence scales very well.
   * We have an online community to provide peer-driven support,
 assisted by OLPC Australia personnel.
   * Technology development and deployment is guided by the principle
 that it must be manageable by non-technical personnel.
   * Our technology platform is open and not locked-down, providing
 maximum opportunity for children to learn and empowering
 schools/communities to own the deployment for themselves.
   * We are seeing real educational results from our efforts, and are
 engaged in longitudinal and detailed evaluation.
   * Our supporters include corporations and members of parliament at
 state and federal levels, but we can always use more help :)

 Please have a read if you are interested, and contact us if you would
 like to take part in our mission.

 We will be releasing more information on this educational programme in
 the coming months.


 Sridhar


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[IAEP] Replacing Textbooks server working again

2012-02-02 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
The Replacing Textbooks server, http://booki.treehouse.org/ is back up
on its new hardware. Everything is functioning as before, as far as I
can tell.

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[IAEP] Moving the Replacing Textbooks Server

2012-02-01 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
The Replacing Textbooks server at booki.treehouse.su is going down for
transfer to a new host, which I will announce when it becomes
available.

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[IAEP] Fwd: What Sugar documentation do deployments need?

2012-01-29 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
On Fri, January 27, 2012 12:07 pm, Pablo Flores wrote:
 This question is meant for people working on OLPC/Sugar deployment teams:
 What documentation do you think is important to have about Sugar and to
 keep updated?

Thank you for this question. I would particularly like to hear from
teachers and students on this. Have you asked on the OLPC-Sur list?

 This arises from the idea that's being discussed in the mailing lists
 about making a documentation sprint on April in Boston.

Have you asked on the FLOSS Manuals FM-Discuss list?

 Initially we talked about
 updating http://laptop.org/manual/, as it got outdated with the recent
 changes to Sugar interface. After that, some ideas arose about developing
 solutions for making the manual's translations to other languages easier,
 of packaging it in different ways and of creating a pedagogic-oriented
 guide, among others.

I am nearing completion of an algebra textbook with software that I
plan to get Sugarized. Every math expression in the book can be
executed via simple copy and paste, and the text suggests explorations
going much further.

 I would like to know what deployments do think that would be useful for
 them.

 Thanks!

 Saludos,
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] 3 Questions From A New Sugar User Age 21

2012-01-26 Thread Edward Mokurai Cherlin
On Thu, January 26, 2012 5:07 pm, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
 On 27 January 2012 08:55, Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com
 wrote:

 On 01/26/2012 01:40 PM, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:

 On 25 January 2012 03:13, Thomas C Gilliardsatel...@bendbroadband.com
  wrote:

 On 01/24/2012 07:49 AM, Ma Xiaojun wrote:

 1. Can I install SoaS to hard disk?


 enter liveinst from the sugar-terminal

 Is there a reason why this isn't exposed in the GUI? Maybe it can be a
 CP applet?

 I think this is a valuable feature.


 Take a look at this new tutorial:

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/liveinst

 It is listed here also along with some other tutorials:

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#F16_Sugar_install_from_a_booted_Live_CD.2FUSB_with_liveinst

 Thanks.

 The problem, however, is that this is not easily discoverable. A
 newcomer shouldn't have to go searching through the wiki to find a way
 to install SoaS.

I have added a link to these instructions on the page
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Downloads, which is
transcluded on the page http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/
so that it will be easy to find in future. I also added a note about
what computers SoaS runs on, including Intel Macs.

 And using the terminal is not exactly a friendly
 introduction to the platform

But see Introduction to the Command Line (which I helped to write) at

http://en.flossmanuals.net/command-line/

It is, as far as I know, the first and only shell command line manual
for end users who do not plan to become sysadmins, and by far the
friendliest. We had a non-programmer editor make sure that we never
assumed too much, and that we kept to the proper tone and language. I
assembled a glossary of the unavoidable jargon.

 :S

 Cheers,
 Sridhar


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Re: [IAEP] Teachers ask programmers / Maestros preguntan a Programadores

2011-12-02 Thread mokurai
The Replacing Textbooks program would like to contact countries and states
or provinces within larger countries about the possibility of paid
contracts to get subject-matter and curriculum experts, among others to
create digital textbooks integrating Sugar and other powerful software
into every aspect of the curriculum, including the development of
appropriate teacher-training materials, in the primary international
languages, and in the languages of any country concerned.

In fact, we would like to create an international program in which
countries could share such work and the resulting materials. I have
started to talk with international agencies that could support such a
program, and will be talking with countries when I finish digitizing and
translating the first draft of Turing Award winner Ken Iverson's 1972
textbook, Algebra: An Algorithmic Treatment. It is in a 40-year old
dialect of APL, and I am reworking it in J, Iverson's last language before
he died.

On Fri, December 2, 2011 8:23 pm, Sameer Verma wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Iain Brown Douglas
 i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:
 On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 05:55 -0200, Carlos Rabassa wrote:

 This could open the competition to write applications to every
 programmer in the world who has the required knowledge.


 Teachers with ideas for good educational applications could write them
 themselves or find a programmer willing to do it.  The teacher could
 select the programmer without restricting the choice to those willing
 to work as unpaid volunteers under the rules of SugarLabs.

 How can Sugar address this point and its misapprehension that Sugar
 looks like a closed shop? It was good to see a reply from Bert
 Freudenberg, that paid contributors are welcome.

 It would be good to hear it shouted loud that (for example) if a school
 were to commission someone to produce work suitable for the Sugar
 Activity Library, both the school and the writer would be credited.

 Carlos writes eloquently and with nice metaphor about the world in which
 he works.

 I think part of the content of his message tries to address the lack of
 response to his earlier message, Subject - Where may developers meet
 educators?

 As a generous community Sugar does well at harnessing individuals who
 can do some of their best work alone at 3am. How does Sugar go about
 giving support to service users?

 One small idea, could Sugar provide teachers with an area to upload and
 share lesson plans? This is a major chore, and in a subject anywhere
 near the edge of ones experience, harder still. When a lesson plan has
 been copied from elsewhere, it does not mean the children will hear it
 twice!


 This is something a bunch of us are working on (cc'ing them). In OLPC
 Jamaica, we started to build a forms-based interface where the lesson
 plans could be uploaded not as Word documents, but as text, etc.
 filled out in forms so that someone else may come by and clone an
 existing lesson plan and modify as needed. Unfortunately our main
 driving force behind this is no longer in Jamaica (she moved) so
 things have become a bit slow.

 This also came up at the recent OLPC San Francisco Community Summit as
 well. There are a few challenges, but nothing unsurmountable. I agree
 that lesson plans are a major challenge in any school environment.

 cheers,
 Sameer

 To Carlos I would say ask again:
 Where may developers meet educators?

 The education of an individual is a massive undertaking, it is built
 with small blocks, like the cat which I too enjoyed, and with other
 blocks with which it is sometimes difficult to work.

 Iain Brown Douglas
 Parent and Grandparent.


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 Volunteer
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 Montevideo, Uruguay
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Re: [IAEP] Where may developers meet educators ? / ¿Donde pueden los desarrolladores encontrar a los educadores ?

2011-11-28 Thread mokurai
 IAEP,
 ubicada en

 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep



 El 28 de Noviembre Sridhar Dhanapalan,  contestó,  desde Australia:

 Las listas de correo resultan demasiado incómodas a la mayoría de los
 maestros.  Hemos estado encontrando que Yammer funciona mejor para
 aquellos que no son técnicos.  Su interfaz similar a la de Facebook,  se
 siente menos amenazante y ofrece muchas otras características que las
 listas de correo no pueden ofrecer.


 Hoy, 28 de Noviembre, Carlos Rabassa respondió:

 Sridhar,

 Tus opiniones me parecen muy interesantes.

 Sin embargo,  no estamos discutiendo un problema científico universal.

 No me cabe ninguna duda de que tus comentarios se aplican a algunos de los
 maestros que conoces;  los míos se aplican a maestros que conozco,  un
 grupo diferente,  y probablemente muy lejano del que tu conoces.

 Estamos discutiendo las razones individuales por las que un gran número de
 maestros,  en diferentes localidades en todo el mundo,  no se están
 comunicando con los desarrolladores de las aplicaciones que se crearon
 para ellos.

 Walter inició esta discusión,  pidiendo ayuda para encontrar un buen sitio
 donde desarrolladores y maestros puedan reunirse.

 Los maestros escriben bien por su profesión y por su entrenamiento.

 Las interfaces typo Facebook,  Yammer y SalesForce,  son adecuadas para
 consultar un problema específico,  alcanzando a muchos individuos que
 pueden ser capaces de contestar,  ofreciendo respuestas casi inmediatas.

 El usar un sistema como estos,  implica saber cómo explicar el problema
 claramente en un idioma entendido por otros en el grupo.  Frecuentemente
 tiende a crear muchas respuestas inmediatas de personas con muy buenas
 intenciones pero que ofrecen respuestas que confunden más de lo que
 ayudan.

 Mi experiencia de leer las listas apunta a estos problemas principales con
 algunas listas,  tales como IAEP:

 - Idioma - Los maestros en los despliegues más grandes de OLPC,  hablan
 Español,  no Inglés.  Por los menos las instrucciones para suscribirse y
 para ver los archivos deberían ofrecer Español además de Inglés y Alemán
 como se ofrece actualmente.  La lista OLPC-Sur,  parece llegar a más
 maestros.  Ofrece instrucciones en Inglés y en Español.

 - La mayoría de los sistemas más rápidos que las listas de correo,  tales
 como la mensajería instantánea,  suelen generar mensajes con lenguaje
 desprolijo.  Todos tendemos a hablar en esta forma cuando estamos entre
 amigos y apurados.  Estos mensajes están fuera del alcance de cualquiera
 que no tenga un dominio extraordinario del idioma.  Frecuentemente a los
 extranjeros les resulta imposible entenderlos o traducirlos para otros.

 - Insultos:  Cualquiera que haga una pregunta,  tiene que estar preparado
 para recibir respuestas que ,  algunas personas sensibles y bien educadas
 podrían interpretar como ofensivas.  No todos insultan a los novatos pero,
  cuando alguien escribe un insulto,  los demás usualmente callan,  como
 implicando que está bien ser grosero.

 A mi no logran ofenderme con insultos.  Simplemente me dejan muy triste,
 pensando lo desafortunados que son los que nos insultan,  lo estrecho que
 es el mundo en que viven.  Uno de los insultos más directos que he
 recibido en las listas,  provino de una buena persona que no parece
 conocer otro mundo que el de escribir aplicaciones para Sugar.  Hay muchas
 otras cosas para disfrutar en esta vida.  Hay muchas otras cosas útiles a
 la educación,  los educadores y los estudiantes.

 - Respuestas rápidas incorrectas,  de individuos que parecen más ansiosos
 por hacer alarde de sus conocimientos que de testear las respuestas antes
 de ofrecerlas a otros.

 - No soy capaz de traducir conversaciones rápidas como las que ocurren en
 las listas pero,  me ofrezco con gusto a traducir textos bien pensados,
 escritos con cuidado,  en Español o en Inglés,  al otro idioma.

 Esta oferta la hago a cualquiera en cualquiera de las listas que sigo.
 Los textos bien escritos,  usualmente los traductores automáticos los
 procesan bastante bien,  permitiendo a cualquier persona en el mundo,
 leerlos y entenderlos.

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Re: [IAEP] First TamTamMini Lesson Resources

2011-09-22 Thread mokurai
On Thu, September 22, 2011 10:56 pm, Caryl Bigenho wrote:

 Hi Folks,
 We had our first Tam Tam Mini lesson with the XOs at the new Contributors
 Program project at Arrowhead School in Pray Montana.  I have written it up
 on our blog and have added a Resources section where you can get and use
 any of the resources I prepared for the lesson.  You will find it all
 here:
 http://arrowheadxoexplorers.wordpress.com/
 Enjoy!

Would you consider putting this material on the Replacing Textbooks
server, http://booki.treehouse.su/ ? We mostly have math and science
materials so far, and need to branch out.

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Re: [IAEP] food for thought...

2011-08-27 Thread mokurai
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Re: [IAEP] food for thought...

2011-08-27 Thread mokurai
 in education, I strongly disagree with
 both of the main opposing sides. Both the standard curriculum, and these
 guys, are way off IMO.


Cheers,

Alan




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Subject: [IAEP] food for thought...



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/25/opinion/how-to-fix-our-math-education.html?_r=1ref=opinion

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Re: [IAEP] food for thought...

2011-08-25 Thread mokurai
On Thu, August 25, 2011 4:38 pm, Alan Kay wrote:
 Hi Walter


 As with a number of other issues in education, I strongly disagree with
 both of the main opposing sides.

I just looked at the linked article.

AH!! NO, MAKE IT STOP!!

 Both the standard curriculum, and these
 guys, are way off IMO.

In the epistemology of Wolfgang Pauli, Not even wrong.

Here is part of my idea.

* http://replacingtextbooks.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/define-textbooks/

*
http://replacingtextbooks.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/what-do-mathematicians-and-scientists-do-all-day/

 Cheers,
 Alan

So when are we going to get together, Alan, and make something useful for
our millions of children?


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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/25/opinion/how-to-fix-our-math-education.html?_r=1ref=opinion

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Re: [IAEP] [Systems] Sugar Labs+OpenQwaq VM

2011-08-21 Thread mokurai
On Tue, August 16, 2011 3:19 pm, Helsene, Adam wrote:
 John, Stefan, and myself had a meeting today on IRC in which we came up
 with a plan to deploy OpenQwaq.

Thank you. I took a look, and I see vast potential for enhancing learning
and global intelligence. Has anybody talked to governments running OLPC
deployments about letting children use OpenQwaq? I believe that we need
their input on security design before we deploy anything.

See http://replacingtextbooks.wordpress.com/2011/08/12/one-censor-per-child/

 We will be using a VM provided by Sugar Labs Infrastructure to have
 OpenQwaq installed on. Our hope is to have the OpenQwaq service properly
 in place before Sept 12th so it can connected to and used.

 Meeting minutes can be found at:
 http://meeting.treehouse.su/treehouse/meetings/2011-08-16T18:17:53.html

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 To: John Tierney
 Cc: Stefan Unterhauser; Helsene, Adam; Sugar Labs Systems; Chris Lindgren;
 Brooks, Kevin; Walter Bender; Brian Slator
 Subject: Re: [Systems] Sugar Labs+OpenQwaq VM

 On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 16:01 -0400, John Tierney wrote:
 I had a Skype call today with Adam, and Dr. Kevin Brooks Chair of
 English at NDSU and  there is the need to meet and discuss the
 technical needs and how Adam can work with Sugar Labs infrastructure
 to put this platform in place so we can test with Educators.
 (Sugar Labs providing a virtual server to build on? Adam supplying a
 virtual appliance that Sugar Labs can run on it's infrastructure?)

 Greetings from Athens! As John said, I'll be traveling through Aug 17.
 (Then, I'll be even busier catching up with things at work).

 Usually Local Labs get a Mediawiki instance and email addresses. The
 latter can be in the form of a Google Apps instance or simply
 @sugarlabs.org aliases forwarding to personal email addresses.

 For anything else you may need, the Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team can
 provide virtual machines and managed hosting for common web applications,
 such as Drupal and Wordpress. If you don't intend to spend too much time
 on web presence, I recommend building a home page within our wiki and
 simply point nsdu.sugarlabs.org to it.

 For more information:

  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team/Resources

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Re: [IAEP] Funding team?

2011-08-12 Thread mokurai
On Fri, August 12, 2011 12:49 am, Chris Leonard wrote:
 On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:30 PM,  moku...@earthtreasury.org wrote:
 I would like to propose that we create a funding team to pursue grant
 opportunities and partnerships for Sugar Labs, including Activity
 development, translation, documentation, teacher training materials, and
 digital content integrating software into lessons and explorations. To
 get
 things started, I have created a temporary page with some suggestions.
 There are lots more.

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai/Funding

 We need people to gather and document opportunities; grant writers; and
 proposals for what to fund.

 Some people think that this is still a bad time to ask for money, but I
 hear that corporations are sitting on trillions of dollars of cash
 equivalents.

 Edward,

 The question I have is whether it is necessary to instantiate a new
 Team or whether to add this as a function / focus area within the
 Marketing Team.

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team

 It is my impression that one of the major expenditures of a FOSS
 project is funding travel to events.  The Marketing Team is already
 engaged in tracking Sugar relevant events as well as being centrally
 involved in the production of the sorts of materials that a
 fundraising group would require for applications and presentations to
 potential funders (e.g. media kits, etc.)

That would be fine with me, if Marketing wants it. Anybody here from
Marketing? However, I am concerned with funding Development, Localization,
Translation, and possible contracts with governments for e-learning
content, curriculum development, teacher training,...

I am more concerned that we get people willing to follow up on commitments
rather than with formal organization. So far, nobody has stepped up in
reply to my suggestion, so this discussion is premature.

 On the theory that ten teams of nine people are better and more stable
 to turnover than thirty teams of three people, as well as being better
 equipped for surge capacity when needed, what would you think of the
 idea of developing your initiative(s) within the context of the
 Marketing Team umbrella instead as a separate effort.

 Obviously any effort representing Sugar Labs to funding sources (and
 committing Sugar Labs to the contractual conditions of such funding
 such as financial and other progress reporting and tracking
 requirements) would need close coordination with the Oversight Board
 and the SFC which would most likely act as the conduit through which
 funding would be channeled.

Again, this is premature. Of course we will liaise with our partners as
required, but right now there is nothing to liaise over.

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Re: [IAEP] Funding team?

2011-08-12 Thread mokurai
On Fri, August 12, 2011 9:41 pm, Sebastian Silva wrote:
 Earlier this year there was discussion about forming a Financial Team.
 I'm not sure exactly if a team is required, but formalizing mechanisms
 for projects like translations and content, research or development, to
 look for funds - sounds like an excellent idea. We (local labs) have
 been thinking and talking for a long time about a project bank where
 projects could be tracked in a platform for funding, as well as
 requirements and funding could be gathered in bounties or calls for
 proposals (the other way around).

Exactly.

 I'm cc'in Laura who has been thinking about the design of such a system
 for a long time.

¡Hola! Laura. Por favor, ver

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai/Funding

y díganos lo que piensas. Hay muchas oportunidades.

 What do you think? Maybe funding for developing such a platform is one
 of the first things to consider?

It is hard to get funding to look for funding. Grantmakers want to see in
advance what the proposed result of their grant for those in need is
intended to be. I have in mind grants for Sugar development, for creating
Open Education Resources to replace textbooks, for developing teacher
training, and for localization and translation. In each of those cases we
can state how many students will benefit now and can project the
possibilities for the future. Translation to Spanish is one of the top
priorities, in terms of numbers of children to be served. Replacing
textbooks in Uruguay (starting to happen now) and Perú may rate as an even
higher priority.

I am planning to write to Software Freedom Conservancy, which handles
donations to Sugar Labs, about how they handle fundraising projects. Their
policy is to take care of administrivia and let the projects focus on
development and rollout. It may be that it is more appropriate to build
the platform there so that it can coordinate among all of the SFC
projects.

However, nothing will happen unless we get volunteers to seek out
opportunities, and write the grant applications. I am assuming that given
workers, we can get the board to hash out the policies.

 Regards,
 Sebastian

 El 12/08/11 08:30, moku...@earthtreasury.org escribió:
 I would like to propose that we create a funding team to pursue grant
 opportunities and partnerships for Sugar Labs, including Activity
 development, translation, documentation, teacher training materials, and
 digital content integrating software into lessons and explorations. To
 get
 things started, I have created a temporary page with some suggestions.
 There are lots more.

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai/Funding

 We need people to gather and document opportunities; grant writers; and
 proposals for what to fund.

 Some people think that this is still a bad time to ask for money, but I
 hear that corporations are sitting on trillions of dollars of cash
 equivalents.

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[IAEP] Funding team?

2011-08-11 Thread mokurai
I would like to propose that we create a funding team to pursue grant
opportunities and partnerships for Sugar Labs, including Activity
development, translation, documentation, teacher training materials, and
digital content integrating software into lessons and explorations. To get
things started, I have created a temporary page with some suggestions.
There are lots more.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai/Funding

We need people to gather and document opportunities; grant writers; and
proposals for what to fund.

Some people think that this is still a bad time to ask for money, but I
hear that corporations are sitting on trillions of dollars of cash
equivalents.
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[IAEP] [Fwd: Invitation to participate - Open Learning Exchange]

2011-08-09 Thread mokurai
FYI.

 Original Message 
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Re: [IAEP] Proposed New K-12 Science Framework

2011-07-28 Thread mokurai
On Tue, July 26, 2011 1:21 am, Chris Leonard wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

 Since it has a total of 270 pages, and I just finished downloading it
 (chapter by chapter), I can't comment on the contents. But, this should
 be
 fuel for some interesting discussions in the next few weeks if the rest
 of
 you take the time to download and take an in depth look at what is
 there.

 You may need to create a login, but the full book as a single PDF is
 at this link.

 http://download.nap.edu/cart/download.cgi?record_id=13165free=1

Got it. Thanks. I was able to access it as a guest.

I have only read the first few chapters of the report. It has a number of
excellent features, such as

* insistence on teaching how science is actually done

* recognition that Children Are Born Investigators

* the importance of connecting to children's prior experience and capacity
for deep thought

However, what I have read so far suggests important lacks in understanding
of these very principles, along with other matters dealing with the nature
of science, engineering, and technology. The greatest deficiency seems to
be in treating of these topics in isolation from mathematics on one side
and from social semisciences, particularly anthropology, economics, and
politics, on the other.

I will have more to say about this when I have gone through the whole
document.

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Re: [IAEP] Proposed New K-12 Science Framework

2011-07-28 Thread mokurai
On Tue, July 26, 2011 9:15 pm, Jameson Quinn wrote:


 Now I am going to skip over to Chapter 10 where the nitty-gritty stuff
 seems to be.  I'm talking about things like teacher training and student
 assessment.  I hope they addressed the inadequacy of the standardized
 multiple choice test where students regurgitate memorized facts which
 they
 will promptly forget. We shall see!


 They couldn't go beyond the research, and research in better methods of
 evaluation is not as strong as it should be. Still, they clearly left a
 mandate for those who follow them to avoid purely fact-based testing, as
 that would undermine the whole point of their three-dimensional
 standards.

I seem to know about research that they did not make use of. But I can't
say for sure until I read more. The problem is very similar to the Turing
test (modified to ask whether we are talking to a scientist in the making,
rather than whether we are talking to a person), or to Wittgenstein's
question in the Philosophical Investigations: How can you tell whether
another person understands you? In the language of Foundations of
Mathematics, the answer is that this is a fundamentally undecidable
question in general. So we have to find tractable subsets of the general
question. This can unfortunately leave us in the position of the man in
the joke who lost his wallet in a dark part of a street, and was looking
for it under a distant lamppost because he could see better there.

Of course, all of science and engineering has this problem of looking in
the few areas where we have lampposts for solutions to the mysteries of
the darkness, and only occasionally putting up new lampposts.

 I think they did the best they could.

Given that it was not their job to be the next Maria Montessori or Caleb
Gattegno or Jaime Escalante of science, etc., teaching. But then, who is,
other than themselves? ^_^

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Re: [IAEP] [bytesforall_readers] Computing power to every home

2011-07-28 Thread mokurai
 like device which lets any
regular desktop or laptop gain access to Nova Computing Services). The
broadband charges have to be paid separately.

 Scalable model. The service has been able to reach a customer base of
40,000 users in the first half of 2010, from a user base of 150 in
2007. The service has delivered 1.2 million domestic usage days.

 Easy and convenient solution There are USB ports for peripherals and
there is no need for a UPS system. In case of a power failure, there
will be no data loss, since everything will be safe on the server. The
device provided by Nova uses 5 watts of power. It doesn’t have any
moving parts, and is very rugged.

 Driving innovation in utility-based cloud computing solutions.
Novatium has a total of 10 global patents. Two of the patents are
titled ‘Providing Utility Computing in a Cloud Computing Environment’
and ‘DUDM’ (Desktop Utility Delivery Model).

 Currently ,the service is present in over 100 cities in India and it
also has a presence in Mauritius and Thailand. On the anvil are plans
to expand the service to other global markets as well.

 

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Re: [IAEP] Dr. Geo user manual

2011-07-28 Thread mokurai
On Thu, July 28, 2011 6:50 am, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
 Hello Paolo,
[snip]
 By the way, you did not tell me about
 my initial post: I am still looking for volunteers to help translating
 the DrGeo user manual.

Into which languages?

For Spanish, we (Sugar Labs and FLOSS Manuals) have just the people.
Hilaire, meet Ana Cichero, our lead Spanish translator. Ana, here is
another manual for your team. And don't tell me you aren't a programmer.
After you read this book and do what it tells you, you will be.

We can also help with other languages.

 Hilaire


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Re: [IAEP] DrGeo user manual

2011-07-28 Thread mokurai
On Wed, July 27, 2011 5:47 am, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
 Hello,

 I have seen many use cases of DrGeo in Spanish speaking countries, in
 the South American continent, mainly for teachers training and Sugar
 based XO laptop.

 But still the new DrGeo user manual[1] is not yet translated to this
 language. In fact both English and Spanish are lacking. I wrote the
 manual first in French because I know how to write it right in this
 language, I do not want to write an average version in another language
 teachers and kids may refer to, it will give a bad perception of the
 quality of the software.

I can do French to English, because I want to read and understand this
material regardless.

 The new user manual explains several aspects of the new DrGeoII paradigm
 of living objects and the way to interact in live with the DrGeo model
 to write programmed sketch or to add script in a living sktech. Even if
 new, these paradigms are old Smalltalk model found in the '70. Some
 other geometry software are implementing slowly these paradigms, but
 given their background language it is not as simple, clean and lean.

 Anyway I am looking for volunteers to translate the user manual. The
 sources is in LaTeX forms[2]. I have not planed to move it to a wiki, as
 I want the source of the manual to stick to LaTeX for optimal quality in
 both PDF and HTML[3].

I can handle TeX and LaTeX.

 Hilaire


 [1] http://documentation.ofset.org/drgeo2/fr
 [2] https://gforge.inria.fr/scm/viewvc.php/drgeo2/doc/?root=istoa
 [3] Or does someone knows reliable solution for online editing with
 LaTeX quality rendering to PDF or HTML?

Please look at the booki servers at http://booki.flossmanuals.net/
(Manuals for Free Software) and http://booki.treehouse.su/ (Sugar Labs
program for Replacing Textbooks). The booki software was designed to
produce high quality PDF and HTML output, among others, with collaborative
online editing and support for translation work. I have participated in
several book sprints with FLOSS Manuals, producing a book in a week or
less.

We would have to run some tests, I think, on formulas and graphic formats.
You would also be welcome to join that discussion on the FLOSS Manuals
FM-Discuss mailing list at http://lists.flossmanuals.net/ . I'm copying
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Re: [IAEP] [squeakland] Alan's Talk on Programming and Scaling at HPI now available online

2011-07-27 Thread mokurai
On Wed, July 27, 2011 2:55 pm, Carlos Rabassa wrote:
 Rita, Steve,

 thanks for calling this talk and link to our attention,  we found it
 extremely interesting.

Wonderful stuff.

 All the concepts Alan explains left us thinking.  His clear explanations
 add to the shock of thinking of these ideas for the first time.

 It is like when we learn about a good new invention,  we think this is a
 great idea but,  how come I never thought of this before?

“’Of course!’ I [Watson] cried. ‘How obvious!’”

“”Everything is obvious when once it has been _explained_ to you,’
returned Holmes, a trace of asperity in his voice.” [Emphasis added.]

 We thought it was very nice to thank all those individuals that helped him
 in developing his ideas.  I guess it is true there are many potential
 geniuses who are missing the cooperation of those developers and never see
 their great ideas materialize. We found it a nice and generous gesture on
 the part of Alan.  Needless to say it was nice to see people we know and
 appreciate like Bert and Yoshiki,  receive this well deserved recognition.

If I have seen farther than others, it is because I have stood on the
shoulders of giants.--Isaac Newton

Of course, this does not work for everyone. One must at least be able to
climb the giant.

If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of
giants.--Possibly from Usenet, source unknown.

 Another point that stuck to our mind was the idea of erasing the present
 to plan for the future.  This, Alan claims, forces us to look all over the
 past to find ideas to develop the future.  Last November,  at Plan
 Ceibal´s year end conference,  one of the speakers shocked us bringing
 examples of teaching in the past,  like the artisans and their pupils a
 few hundreds of years ago,  as examples of good education that we can
 implement today thanks to computers.

We do not have to look only to the past.

The Maasai of Kenya have a traditional education system that turns their
boys into experts on soils, weather, native plants and animals, their
traditional hunting and fighting weapons, strategies, and tactics, and
much more, and also into Olympic-level athletes. Girls learn in equal
detail building, animal husbandry and other subjects important to their
traditional cultural roles. There are also problems within this system,
but one cannot simply impose a European education on people who need to
understand their environment much more directly and in great detail, and
do not need training as shop clerks and industrial workers.

The Andaman Islanders were the only ones in the coastal areas around the
Indian Ocean who reportedly lost nobody in the Indonesian tsunami, because
they were the only ones who passed down the story that when the ocean went
away, everybody was to run for high ground before it came roaring back.
All of the colonial education systems and their post-colonial successors
around the Indian Ocean have gone to a great deal of trouble to root out
such old wives' tales.

 Most ideas we hear today about how
 to use computers in schools are the same teaching systems we already have
 in place,  just scaled up to handle large numbers of students.

It has been much worse than that. Suppose we had print literacy labs,
where we kept all of the books, pencils, and paper, and allowed children
in once a week, but never allowed them to apply what they learned there to
either classwork or homework, and suppose in addition that most of them
had none of these things at home.

In Uruguay, Peru, and other countries that are planning to give a computer
to every child, education will be transformed far beyond any of the plans
of the governments, school administrations, teachers' unions, or anyone
else. Nobody saw in Gutenberg's first press the proliferation of editions
of the classics, Bible translations into hundreds of languages (now more
than 2,000, in whole or in part), novels, scholarly journals, newspapers,
magazines, and all the rest. Hardly anybody foresaw the Web until it
happened. Likewise with e-commerce, social networks, Wikipedia, and all of
the rest.

If you want to make God laugh, tell Her your plans.--Modern proverb

Life is what happens while you were making other plans.--Another modern
proverb

 Carlos Rabassa
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Re: [IAEP] Advertising Sugar

2011-07-26 Thread mokurai
On Tue, July 26, 2011 11:05 am, Rita Freudenberg wrote:
 Hi,

 if I want to advertize Sugar, is there any material that can be used? I've
 translated the Sugar Manual into German, and there are some nice text
 passages. But maybe there is more? Would it be ok to translate this into
 German, too?

 It will be used to impress decision makers ...:)

You can use the Replacing Textbooks page,

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Replacing_Textbooks

the OLPC Deployments page,

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployments

some of the study results that the OLPC Research page points to. Ethiopia
is one of the best for this purpose. There should be some good results
from Uruguay and Peru, too, but I haven't been following them.

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_research

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Re: [IAEP] Wiki tutorial translation (was Re: Material for XO math+literacy project in Kenya)

2011-07-23 Thread mokurai
On Thu, July 21, 2011 11:50 pm, Chris Leonard wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:25 PM, ana.cichero ana.cich...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 a) Yes.  I can help translating your tutorials for Turtle. When I don't
understand I ask.

 Ana,

 There are Mathematics tutorials using eToys that have been developed
 by Waveplace that need translation into Spanish.

Second the motion. These are excellent materials, the best I have seen for
Smalltalk/Etoys.

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team/Pootle_Projects#Waveplace_Lessons

 PO files are here:
 http://translate.sugarlabs.org/es/Waveplace/

 http://wiki.waveplace.org/display/wp/Geometry+%28*%29

 eToys is itself a wonderful introduction to programming concepts, you
 might find it interesting and you can work through the Basic eToys
 tutorial to get oriented.

I would go further, and recommend these tutorials to everyone involved
with OLPC and Sugar. I am experienced in a number of programming
languages, but was having trouble with Etoys until I viewed some of these
tutorials.

Smalltalk was designed for children to be able to use, but with sufficient
power to be useful lifelong. It is at the heart of our mission. However,
it was not designed to be learned with no help at all. ^_^ (See The
Undiscoverable on the Sugar Labs Wiki.)

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Re: [IAEP] [bytesforall_readers] Computing power to every home

2011-07-22 Thread mokurai
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Re: [IAEP] Wiki tutorial translation

2011-07-22 Thread mokurai
On Thu, July 21, 2011 11:25 pm, ana.cichero wrote:
 Hello Mokurai

 Would you take a look at
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Turtle_Art/Tutorials, and talk
 with us, the Spanish translators, and the teachers about

 a) translating these pages into Spanish
 b) what is needed so that teachers can use these ideas in class

 I find the link empty...

I'm sorry. It should have been

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt/Tutorials

 a) Yes.  I can help translating your tutorials for Turtle  (please send me
 the exact link) . When I don t understand I ask.

Thank you.

 b) No.  Unfortunately I cannot make class planifications on the subject.

I did not make myself clear then. I meant that I would like someone to ask
teachers who do work on teaching Turtle Art and other subjects whether my
tutorials make sense to them, and whether they can assist us in making
lesson plans on these subjects.

 My offer for fitting in uruguayan secondary school curricular structure
 planifications of classes using Abacus.xo still stands.

Thank you. I will create a TA program to draw an abacus and demonstrate
its operations, and then move from there to Abacus.xo.

 --I ve studied maths and learning for 4 full years exclusively and been
 working on highschools for the last 10 years,  teaching from negative
 numbers to matrixes and integrals, but I am just an newbie when going into
 programming languages... sorry.--

Perfect. Please look at You Be the Turtle and at Mathematics and Art, an
introduction to TA. These assume no knowledge of Turtle Art whatsoever. Do
they make sense to you? Then we can talk about lessons in the basics of
Turtle Art that I need to write.

 My tutorials combine a high-level look at a topic, ideas for introducing
 some part of it to children as early as possible, and a Turtle Art
 demonstration of some part of the idea. Each idea needs expansion to
 lesson plans, with feedback from classrooms and individual tutoring on
 how
 they work and how they need to be improved. Each idea also needs
 implementation in Logo (which we can get by automatic translation from
 TA), Python, Smalltalk/Etoys, GeoGebra, and other software.

 On top of all that, we need to create a usable sequence of ideas and
 examples leading from no computer (You Be the Turtle tutorial), through
 introducing TA (Mathematics and Art tutorial), through the essential
 concepts and techniques of programming and Computer Science, to
 competence
 in Python, Logo, Smalltalk, and any other language of interest.

  Ana.

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[IAEP] Wiki tutorial translation (was Re: Material for XO math+literacy project in Kenya)

2011-07-21 Thread mokurai

On Thu, July 21, 2011 12:52 am, ana.cichero wrote:
[praise of Abacus activity snipped]
 Count me in for translating the wiki or for making some class
 planification
 that fits with schooling structure, it can be for 1st year of secondary as
 I worked with in 2010 for example.

Would you take a look at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Turtle_Art/Tutorials, and talk
with us, the Spanish translators, and the teachers about

a) translating these pages into Spanish
b) what is needed so that teachers can use these ideas in class

My tutorials combine a high-level look at a topic, ideas for introducing
some part of it to children as early as possible, and a Turtle Art
demonstration of some part of the idea. Each idea needs expansion to
lesson plans, with feedback from classrooms and individual tutoring on how
they work and how they need to be improved. Each idea also needs
implementation in Logo (which we can get by automatic translation from
TA), Python, Smalltalk/Etoys, GeoGebra, and other software.

On top of all that, we need to create a usable sequence of ideas and
examples leading from no computer (You Be the Turtle tutorial), through
introducing TA (Mathematics and Art tutorial), through the essential
concepts and techniques of programming and Computer Science, to competence
in Python, Logo, Smalltalk, and any other language of interest.

 Ana.

 ps.
 Working among early grades students is harder and it less payed-- because
 traditionally upper grade studying needed society stimulation.
 In uruguay 2ndary teachers is a strictly ordered set ( 19 lists, one for
 each region) , and in that order is invited to choose --every year--- the
 grade and the school to work. Nobody wants to work with early years of
 public highschool having other choice...
 (system could help education a lot with some really little changes, but as
 little changes don t make political issues, nobody promotes them)

In computer programming, making many little improvements is known as
refactoring.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44936.Refactoring

Each refactoring step is simple-seemingly too simple to be worth doing.
Refactoring may involve moving a field from one class to another, or
pulling some code out of a method to turn it into its own method, or even
pushing some code up or down a hierarchy. While these individual steps may
seem elementary, the cumulative effect of such small changes can radically
improve the design. Refactoring is a proven way to prevent software
decay.

The payoff is huge. We must find incentives to work on it. Perhaps for
some teachers, being able to affect the design of the teaching may be a
useful incentive. I know that in the profession generally, the biggest
incentive available is the possibility of teaching effectively.

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[IAEP] Complex arithmetic (was Re: Looking for Concrete Fraction Experiences)

2011-07-14 Thread mokurai
On Thu, July 14, 2011 9:46 am, David Corking wrote:

 (Aspiring electrical technicians will probably also want to extend the
 concept to complex numbers.)

Addition and subtraction of complex numbers are easier in rectangular
coordinates than polar coordinates. Multiplication and division are the
opposite.

a + bi + c +di = (a + c) + (b + d)i

1/(r,theta) = (1/r, -theta)

But it can be done, of course.

1/(a + bi) = (a - bi)/(a^2 + b^2)

(a + bi)/(c + di)

  = (a + bi)(c - di)/(c^2 + d^2)

  = ((ac + bd) +(bc - ad)i/(c^2 + d^2)

I should do these up in Turtle Art, both as illustrations of coordinate
systems and as arithmetic, and add them to my Tutorials.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt/Tutorials#Mokurai.27s_Tutorials

 Thanks for your patience. David

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Re: [IAEP] Looking for Concrete Fraction Experiences

2011-07-14 Thread mokurai
On Thu, July 14, 2011 8:40 am, Maria Droujkova wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:38 AM, moku...@earthtreasury.org wrote:

  Special bonus points for anyone who can come up with an example of
  division with fractions (ex: 1/3 divided by 1/2)
[Mokurai wrote]
 1/2 goes into 1 twice.


 When the divisor OR the quotient are whole, people do use fraction
 division
 in life. Many people will conceptualize How many halves are there in
 three
 pizzas? or even How many quarters are there in three halves? (the last
 one is a stretch) as division.

 However, after messing with fraction division for about a year (see
 http://naturalmath.wikispaces.com/Divide+a+fraction+by+a+fraction ) I
 believe people who don't have PURE MATH purposes avoid conceptualizing
 division of a fraction by a fraction, when it's not immediately clear the
 result is a whole number. Instead, they conceptualize it as TWO operations
 (multiplication and division) where at least one number is whole.

 The pure math purposes have to do with extensions of operations.

and providing consistent rules for them, maintaining algebraic identities
such as commutativity, associativity and distributivity.

ab = ba
(ab)c = a(bc)
a(b + c) = ab + ac

etc.

 In
 mathematics, figuring out how

to make (a matter of definition, not discovery)

 operations work for all types of numbers and
 even non-number entities is a very strong value.

Although non-commutative (matrices) and even non-associative (octonions)
structures are of great importance.

 As such, we want to
 subtract greater numbers from smaller ones, take square roots of
 negatives,
 and multiply anything whatsoever (zeros, ordered arrays, transformations,
 etc.) This extension value definitely trumps any muggle values such as
 cognitive accessibility or ease of calculation. There are strong
 mathematical reasons for holding the extension value dear. We just have to
 realize these reasons don't necessarily apply to eating pizzas, or even to
 math-rich professional practices such as nursing (let me know if you want
 Proportional Reasoning in Nursing Practice study).

[Mokurai again]
 In fact it goes into any whole number N by dividing
 N objects into 2 pieces each, giving 2N pieces. Similarly, it goes into
 1/3 twice 1/3


 There - you conceptualize it through whole-number steps.

in order to arrive at the general rule, which we can then extend to
fractions.

 These steps are
 entirely sufficient for dividing pizzas.

Fractions are completely equivalent to whole numbers of equal-sized
pieces. It makes no difference to the result whether we use 3/8 or talk
about 3 pieces of 1/8 each. But I would like to lead children through the
two-step process to the algebraic rules, particularly

(a/b)/(c/d) = ad/bc

without going through (a/b)/(c/d) = (ad/b)/c in between.

 You only need to re-conceptualize these steps (at a significant cognitive
 cost, as my teaching experiments indicate, if you go beyond the example of
 1/2) as division by a fraction if you are going for the mathematical value
 of figuring how fraction division works.

Well, that's what I want to find out. Are we making the individual steps
sufficiently simple so that they can become obvious? What kind of practice
is required to make them obvious? The most complicated mathematics is made
up from steps so simple and obvious that even an utterly stupid computer
can cope with them. Children can actually understand them, and put them
together into more complicated ideas that become equally obvious over
time. It's just like learning language, which starts with memorization of
words and patterns, and soon becomes habit with sufficient practice. Only
the children can tell us how much practice is sufficient, and what kinds.

 There are no utilitarian or artistic purposes, that I could find in more
 than a year of looking for them, in conceptualizing the separate steps as
 division by a fraction.

Not in most of ordinary daily life, as opposed to work in engineering,
science, statistics, and such. But it does turn up occasionally in
cooking, sewing, carpentry and a few other areas.

* If my pancake recipe calls for 1 3/4 cups of flour, and I only have 1
1/4 cups on hand, how much egg, milk, blueberries, and so on should I add
to make a partial batch? Well, obviously I should multiply every
measurement in the recipe by (1 1/4)/(1 3/4). Multiplying top and bottom
by the denominator of the two fractions (4) gives 5/7.

* If it takes 2 3/4 yards of cloth to make this item, how many can I make
from a bolt of cloth 20 yards long?

 In practice, nurses, pizza cooks, carpenters and so
 on don't really divide by fractions - they work with numerators and
 denominators separately.
 I would suggest exploring reasons behind the math value of stretching
 operations, for example, talking about how inefficient it would be to
 program operations separately for different types of variables.

But we have to do that anyway. Computer processors are built with separate
integer

[IAEP] Thailand to revive 1-1 computing

2011-07-13 Thread mokurai
Has anybody heard about this, or have any idea what hardware they might be
talking about?

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1765816.html

Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra tried to put in an OLPC program for
Thailand before he was ousted in a coup. His sister Yingluck Shinawatra
and their political party have recently won a landslide election victory
in Thailand, and this article lists some of her promises. This one is
directly relevant to us.

FREE TABLET PCS

- The new government has promised free tablet computers for about 800,000
new school children each year for six years beginning in January. Puea
Thai says these would cost between 3,000 and 5,000 baht ($100 to $160)
each and operate with open-source software, possibly from India or China.

NOTE: Olarn Chaipravat, a senior figure in Puea Thai's economic team, told
Reuters the project would cost about 4 billion baht ($131 million) a year.
The idea has divided educators with some saying it will do more harm than
good.

The project is a continuation of the One Laptop Per Child project (OLPC)
adopted by Yingluck's brother, Thaksin, but scrapped when he was ousted in
a 2006 coup.
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Re: [IAEP] Looking for Concrete Fraction Experiences

2011-07-13 Thread mokurai
On Tue, July 12, 2011 11:23 pm, Steve Thomas wrote:
 Looking for ideas on how we can give kids (and adults) concrete
 experiences with the concept of fraction.

You do not have to *give* them such experiences. You need to draw
attention to the experiences they have had all their lives.

You do eat slices of pie, cake, and pizza, and chocolate bars marked for
breaking, I trust. You use coins, and can get dollar coins, half dollars,
quarters, tenths, twentieths, and hundredths. You can talk about the
divisions of hours, minutes, seconds, yards, feet, inches, meters,
decimeters, centimeters, gallons, quarts, pints, cups, fluid ounces,
tablespoons, teaspoons, liters, milliliters, pounds, ounces, kilograms,
grams...

 Special bonus points for anyone who can come up with an example of
 division with fractions (ex: 1/3 divided by 1/2)

1/2 goes into 1 twice. In fact it goes into any whole number N by dividing
N objects into 2 pieces each, giving 2N pieces. Similarly, it goes into
1/3 twice 1/3, or 2/3. If you divide a circle into sixths, you can easily
see that a third of the circle (two pieces) is two-thirds of half the
circle (three pieces), in just the same way that, for example, two beads
is 1/4 of eight beads.

It has been done in detail, and is available on various OER sites, some of
which are given at

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Open_Education_Resources

I have written about this on other mailing lists. I will do a Turtle Art
version of this some time soon, after I do a bit more on the concept I
have been working on most recently, figurate numbers. I have several such
lessons at

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt/Tutorials#Mokurai.27s_Tutorials

Tony Forster did a TA visualization for fractions that I plan to carry
further.

http://tonyforster.blogspot.com/2009/12/turtle-fractions.html

Others are welcome to join with Tony and me.

So here is the outline. You will have to take this more slowly with
children, of course.

* Cut a pie in pieces, and color some of the pieces, as Tony did. That
gives the basic idea of a fraction. Point out that when you cut a pie in,
say, 8 pieces, you are doing 1 divided by 1/8.

* Cut more than one pie in the same number of pieces each. This lets us
talk about improper fractions and mixed fractions (integer plus
fraction), and converting between them. We can also introduce rational
numbers at some stage of child development.

* Cut a pie in pieces, and cut the pieces into smaller pieces
(multiplication of the simplest fractions, such as 1/2 times 1/3). Some
fractions can be described using the bigger pieces, and some require the
smaller pieces. Talk about reducing fractions to lowest terms. (You will
need other materials in order to talk about Greatest Common Divisors. I'll
do something on that.) Take some time on multiplying fractions. Then
notice that, for example, if you divide a pie into sixths, three of the
pieces make a half. 3 times 1/6 is 1/2, so 1/2 divided by 3 is 1/6, and
1/2 (= 3/6) divided by 1/6 is 3. (Assuming prior understanding that if the
product of, say, 2 and 3 is 6, then 6/3 = 2 and 6/2 = 3.)

* Cut several pies. For example, cut two pies into three pieces each, and
then color pairs of pieces. How many groups of two pieces make two pies?
Congratulations, you have just divided 2 by 2/3.

* Work other examples, dividing whole numbers by fractions, then fractions
by other fractions, choosing cases that come out even to start with.

* Now look at examples where one fraction does not go evenly into the
other. What do you have to do to make sense of the remainder? Say you have
a pizza cut into 8 pieces, and you have hungry pizza eaters who want three
slices each. How many can you accommodate? Well, two, with two slices left
over. Two slices is 2/3 of three slices, so that comes to 2 2/3 portions.

None of this requires Turtle Art. You can cut pies or cakes, or pieces of
construction paper to do all of this. Oh, yes. How many pieces do the
local pizza parlors cut pizzas into? What fractions can you make from
those pieces? Can you find pictures of pizzas from directly above, so that
they appear as circles? (Yes.) What else? Craters on the moon? The whole
moon? Circular swimming pools, fountains, ponds?

It remains an open question whether the children will discover the
invert-and-multiply rule for dividing fractions by themselves, whether
they will need broad hints, or whether they will have to be told. It would
be interesting to me to hear how they would explain these ideas to each
other. I will be interested to hear your results.

 Thanks,
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Re: [IAEP] Licitación Ceibal

2011-07-09 Thread mokurai
On Tue, July 5, 2011 10:47 am, Gabriel Eirea wrote:
 Yamandú:

 (English tl;dr: don't bother with this call for bids, it's not for us.)

The sections of the RFP quoted below refer to the national education
management system, which requires professional management to meet the
stated reliability requirements. Digital e-learning resources do not come
under these same requirements.

 Entiendo y aplaudo tu empuje para tratar de entrar en esta licitación.
 Sin embargo, en mi opinión es un esfuerzo inútil porque no hay forma
 que en este momento un colectivo como el nuestro pueda siquiera
 presentarse a este llamado.

 En la página 22 dice:

 
 Criterios de Calificación
 Criterios de cumplimiento obligatorio
 Empresas que acrediten tres (3) años de actividad económica y
 demuestren fehacientemente la comercialización del
 producto ofrecido. A estos efectos aportarán las referencias que
 avalen esta condición, pudiendo el solicitante recabar,
 cuando lo creyere necesario, información adicional a este respecto.
 Contar con experiencias de implementación de los productos
 presentados, debiendo presentar la información de la siguiente
 manera:
 (i) nivel de masividad del despliegue
 (ii) países en donde se ha implementado
 (ii) tiempo de desarrollo que tiene el mismo
 

 y en la página 58 dice:

 
 El valor del pliego es de U$S 2000.
 

 En otras palabras, una vez más el liderazgo de Ceibal demuestra que no
 le interesa incluir desarrollos comunitarios, ni siquiera de pequeñas
 empresas locales, asumiendo que la compra de soluciones llave en
 mano es la mejor estrategia cuando en realidad está comprometiendo la
 sustentabilidad del proyecto. Pero mientras exista la plata dulce del
 BID que paga el pueblo uruguayo, estas cosas seguirán pasando.

 Saludos,

 Gabriel


 2011/7/3 Yamandu Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com:
 Puse unas cuantas ideas respecto a la licitación en el wiki.
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/LLSCeibal_2011

 Por favor, métanle mano.

 Plazos corren!

 SI armamos algo o si nos ponemos como para apoyara a alguien, es hasta
 el 29
 de julio

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[IAEP] St. Vincent and the Grenadines

2011-07-07 Thread mokurai
Does anybody know what this announcement means? Did they merely put the
page up before it was ready?

http://education.gov.vc/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=125Itemid=107

Intorduction [sic]

Welcome to the One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) Initiative of the Ministry of
Education, Government of St. Vincent and the Grenadines. We are pleased to
present you with important information to get you started in the
programme.

=

There is a link for it on the main title bar of the site, indicating that
it is considered to be very important, but none of the subjects on the
page has a link, and neither a site search nor a more general Google
search turned up anything else.

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Re: [IAEP] Samsung Windfall: All of South Korea's Textbooks to Go Digital by 2015

2011-07-03 Thread mokurai

On Sun, July 3, 2011 9:26 am, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
 By 2014, all of South Korea's elementary-level educational materials
 will be digitized, and by 2015, the entire school-age curriculum will be
 delivered on an array of computers, smart phones and tablets. While the
 country's education ministry is yet to announce the make or model of the
 devices it will purchase, it has revealed it will spend $2.4 billion
 buying the requisite tablets and digitizing material for them.

 http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/mimssbits/26960/?ref=rss

 Does OLPC South Korea exist already? :-)

#47932;#47200;#51080;#52236;! (I was in the Peace Corps in South Korea.)

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Korea (mostly in Korean)

There has been strong individual interest, but I haven't heard of the
government doing anything with OLPC.

 Christoph

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Re: [IAEP] [Edu-sig] Python and pre-algebra

2011-07-01 Thread mokurai
 of the weirder ones is my Turtle
 Art
 Turing Machine for addition. ^_^

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt/Tutorials/Turtle_Art_Turing_Machine

 More directly to your needs, Pippy is a Sugar activity that shows a
 number of Python examples that students can edit. For example,

 Fibonacci
 a, b = 0, 1
 while b 1001:
 print b,
 a, b = b, a+b

 Changing the 0, 1 in the first line changes this from a generator of
 Fibonacci numbers to a generator of the related Lucas numbers. There is
 a Pascal's Triangle program. Plotted mod 2, it reveals a Sierpinski
 fractal.

 Generator also has a technical meaning in Python, such that one
 might actually write a Fibonacci generator (of the GeneratorType).


 Relevant Python resources include NumPy and PyGame.

  Or, perhaps, the program controls a wheelchair robot and students
 would
  write scripts to drive the robot at a certain speed considering the
 slope
  of a ramp?

 See the Etoys tutorial challenge for programming a car, and the robot
 program in Uruguay with robots controlled by Sugar software.

 Alan Kay was at that Shuttleworth meeting in Kensington. I'm sure
 there've been many follow-up meetings which I've not been privy to, plus
 I've continued to meet with Oregon-based colleagues.

 I met Alan Kay at the 40th anniversary of Doug Engelbart's Mother of All
 Demos at Stanford. I had met Doug previously, and was apparently the first
 to show him an XO.

 I also work with an outfit in Sonoma County, where Python is concerned.


 http://www.flickr.com/photos/christophd/4827926508/
 XO turned into a robot thanks to the Butiá project

  As you can see, I am a novice, but I see great potential and am
  willing to learn.

 Delighted to meet you.


 Ed writes a lot of good posts on many a math-related list. I recommend
 paying attention to his thinking (I know I do).

 Thanks, Kirby.

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Re: [IAEP] Update on the Sugar Labs website refresh

2011-06-30 Thread mokurai
On Thu, June 30, 2011 7:11 am, Sean DALY wrote:
 Many thanks Christian for this update

 Yes I too saw that although Walter (the Sugar Digest [1]), myself (on
 the lists [2] plus the olpcnews piece [3]), John (on the lists [4]),
 JT  Mike (on the lists [5]) all asked for content, there was little
 or no reaction. I believe we need to ask more concretely, i.e. for
 the X page we need a Y visual - even if this means a list of
 requests.

As described at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_pictures

 I can't help but feel that the day the new site goes live
 there will be complaints, while assistance now will make the site the
 best it can be!

I have reached a point where I can start posting content to the Wiki
regularly, starting with educational topics in Turtle Art. My list is
below Tony Forster's at

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt/Tutorials

I have begun at opposite ends of the spectrum, with preschool Turtle Art
(You Be the Turtle) and a Turtle Art Turing Machine with Logo translation.

We need the same kind of information here on Smalltalk/Etoys resources.

As part of the Sugar Labs Replacing Textbooks program, various of us are
working on responses to the Plain Ceibal RFP for up to 1,000 digital
educational resources. English translation of requirements section of
Licitación linked at

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Replacing_Textbooks#Plan_Ceibal_project

We will post on whatever we decide to propose.

Replacing Textbooks has a list of sources of free educational resources,
with well over 100,000 items in pages it links to.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Open_Education_Resources

We will be recruiting teachers, subject-matter experts, and translators
for all of this.

 Another next step is to assemble a teacher panel to assess the site
 usability.

And for many other purposes. We need teachers from all target countries,
too, and in addition we should ask children what issues they have in using
our site and our documentation.

 The Marketlab study [6] clearly showed that teachers are
 not finding the information they need on our current sites, and
 coupled with the high technical barriers to installing and configuring
 Sugar means we discourage too many teachers from even trying
 Activities. Teachers, contact us please to participate in the panel!

As a former professional technical writer, I can point out a number of
ways to improve the site, in terms of navigation, accessibility,
audiences, and more.

 thanks

 Sean

 1. http://walterbender.org/?p=431
 2. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2011-March/012783.html
 3.
 http://www.olpcnews.com/software/sugar/teachers_help_us_improve_the_sugarlabs_website.html
 4. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2011-April/012959.html
 5. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2011-April/012843.html,
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/dextrose/2011-April/001234.html
 6. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team#MIT_Sloan_MarketLab_Study


 On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt
 anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 John and I wanted to give you a brief update on the status of the
 website. For the last few months we had the benefit of working with
 two RIT students, JT and Mike, who helped us take initial steps in
 launching a new and improved public-facing website. With their help,
 we identified the shortcomings of the current site and the
 opportunities for (a) better articulating the Sugar value proposition
 and (b) keeping the site current with events and progress made by the
 developer community.

 There were a few learnings along the way: While JT and Mike were able
 to gather and produce a fair number of assets, it was far more
 difficult to get all the content we had hoped for and which we know
 does exist. This means that we will be reaching out to the community
 again in a short while to help us fill in the missing pieces. In the
 meantime, thank you to all of you who helped to provide content in the
 first round!

 Next steps are to make further traction on the UI design in order to
 give us a scaffold to populate with content as it comes in. This will
 be happening over the next few weeks, and we'll keep all of you
 updated when there are opportunities for feedback.

 Thanks, and more to come,


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Re: [IAEP] Sugar minimum set

2011-06-30 Thread mokurai
On Wed, June 29, 2011 2:29 pm, Valerie Taylor wrote:
 Is there a minimum set of Sugar teacher/tutor training, hardware and
 software that could be implemented by a community supported remedial
 program that works with kids outside regular elementary school? Is
 this something that could be considered and/or suggested?

That is a whole set of questions bundled up into one. XOs and their Sugar
distributions are the minimum standard set. The maximum is whatever is
currently on Activities.sugarlabs.org.

You can buy individual used XOs on eBay for about $150 each. If some NGO
would be willing to buy 10,000 units and make them available in smaller
quantities to other NGOs, we could talk about all sorts of programs.
Prices would likely be in the $200-$250 range. The initial investment
would be about $2 million up front, with delivery date to be determined
later. Nobody has so far been willing to operate on those terms.

 A local program provides small group time as their primary learning
 activities and has some computers that they use already. Most of the
 software is the usual proprietary kids educational products. Their
 regular program would lend itself to including basic Sugar Labs
 Activities.

Sugar on a Stick

 Are there guidelines for when Sugar Labs Activities can be beneficial
 even if it isn't possible or practical to provide the all-inclusive
 OLPC environment?

Always. ^_^

 In this case, the computers could probably loaded with Linux and
 Sugar, and would be stand-alone (without a classroom or school
 server). I don't know if the machines are networked so that groups and
 neighborhoods could be available.

Any of the above.

 Is anyone doing this now? Does Sugar Labs encourage this? What is a
 minimum setup that could be considered? What are the gotcha's for
 doing something like this?

Various NGOs have various programs around XOs and Sugar in other forms.

Sugar Labs encourages this.

Sugar on a Stick

There are some technical issues. SoaS is not easy enough to create. It
does not work on every computer. Therefore preplanning and testing is
necessary. Mostly, the issue is that prospective teachers do not have
enough guidance on how to use Sugar effectively. That is one of the
targets for the Replacing Textbooks program. Of course, you can buy
pre-recorded SoaS USB units, although I don't know which versions of SoaS
are available.

 To replace textbooks, is there a strategy for moving to wider use of
 Sugar as part of the process?

Of course. The idea is to integrate Sugar into every topic where it is
practical in every subject. That is the equivalent of more than 100
textbooks, with more than 10,000 topics.

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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs: account confirmation

2011-06-30 Thread mokurai
On Wed, June 29, 2011 9:01 pm, Walter Bender wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Valerie Taylor vtay...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Walter

 Can you log into Moodle? If you are an administrator, you can make
 other teachers and/or administrators.

 I can log in and I am an administrator, so I should be able to hand
 out credentials to others.


 What is the objective of these Moodle courses? Were they created for
 specific audiences? Would it be ok if others who are interested in
 Sugar access them?

 I'll bring it up with the oversight board, but I think we should only
 host projects that are available to anyone. I was a bit mystified by
 the language on the home page. But I suppose we better ask each author
 if that was their intention.

I would like to copy resources under suitable Creative Commons licenses to
the Replacing Textbooks server.

 I have some experience with Moodle. I would be happy to help.

 Much appreciated.

 -walter


 ..Valerie


 On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Tabitha Roder tabi...@tabitha.net.nz
 wrote:

 The welcome discussion post was added by David Farning and edited by
 Walter
 Bender so you could try talking to them about who is managing the
 http://schools.sugarlabs.org/ Moodle site.

 I think this resource is probably under utilised and probably not well
 publicised.


 I think I have admin privileges, so I am happy to help. I don't know
 much about how Moodle works, so I'll need some guidance.

 -walter

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[IAEP] [Fwd: Daily updates in Group Teachers Without Borders]

2011-06-30 Thread mokurai
FYI. I will see whether these are suitable for the Replacing Textbooks
program.

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Re: [IAEP] [squeakland] Expresándonos con Etoys / Expressing ourselves with Etoy s

2011-06-30 Thread mokurai
 funcionan estas ruedas
 cuadradas.

 El secreto está en hacerlas rodar sobre caminos ondulados.

 Este proyecto Etoys muestra cómo construir un camino ondulado adecuado,
 agregando material,  que se muestra en púrpura,  sobre la superficie
 lisa del camino original:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gDMPYPrxmY

 El video también muestra los únicos guiones requeridos para hacer que la
 rueda cuadrada ruede sobre el camino mientras que el vehículo,
 representado por la línea verde, se mantiene horizontal y a altura
 constante.

 Estos son algunos vehículos con ruedas cuadradas:

 Auto de 4 ruedas
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwgvjTDgFxM

 Bicicleta de 2 ruedas
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hs1wcvhguM

 Triciclo con 3 ruedas de tamaños diferentes
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjUbkzfJGp4NR=1

 English text starts here

 A few days ago we read about square-wheeled vehicles.

 They offer smooth rides,  without tilting.

 We used Etoys to understand and explain how this square wheels work.

 The secret is to roll them on undulated roads.

 This Etoys project shows how to build a road with the adequate
 undulation,  by adding material,  shown in purple, on the flat origianl
 surface of the road:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gDMPYPrxmY

 The video also shows all the scripts required to make the square wheel
 roll over the road while the vehicle´s body,  represented by the green
 line, stays horizontal and always at the same height.

 These are some square wheeled vehicles:

 4-wheel car
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwgvjTDgFxM

 2-wheel bicycle model
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hs1wcvhguM

 3-wheel tricycles
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjUbkzfJGp4NR=1


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[IAEP] [Fwd: Re: Call for bids, Educational platform, curricular content for CEIBAL]

2011-06-27 Thread mokurai
: www.olpcnews.com http://www.olpcnews.com
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Re: [IAEP] [Fwd: Re: Call for bids, Educational platform, curricular content for CEIBAL]

2011-06-27 Thread mokurai
 sección de los contenidos educativos esta bastante amplio. Si lo
 entiendo bien en Rwanda habían requisitos de certificación segun
 un
 estandard educativo pero no veo nada de esto en esta licitación
 uruguaya.

 En todo caso será interesante ver los resultados de este proceso...
 :-)

 Saludos,
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Re: [IAEP] Call for bids, Educational platform, curricular content for CEIBAL

2011-06-25 Thread mokurai
On Fri, June 24, 2011 10:03 am, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote:
 $48 G in IADB funds, $114 G total

 page 18 has the abstract, and pp. 34-37 details on the actual stuff they
 are looking for.  The rest is lawyerly fluff, so beware...

This is exactly what the Sugar Labs Replacing Textbooks program is about.
Obviously Sugar Labs cannot do it alone, but if we can find appropriate
partners, would you two, Yama and Christoph, want to work on it?

Anybody else?

Esto es exactamente lo que el programa de Remplazando los libros de texto
de Sugar Labs se trata. Obviamente Sugar Labs no puede hacerlo solo, pero
si podemos encontrar los socios adecuados, lo haría con dos, Yama y
Christoph, quiere trabajar en él?

¿Alguien más?

 On 06/16/2011 04:53 PM, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
 2011/6/16 nanon...@mediagala.com mailto:nanon...@mediagala.com

 /Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
 vi que Plan Ceibal anunció una licitación para Plataforma
 Educativa on line...
 
 -/



 Hola, Christoph:

 No soy experto en Licitaciones, ni tampoco en Plataformas
 Educativas, en lo único que te puedo ayudar es en pasarte un
 pequeño resumen de lo que pide dicha licitación.

 De las 59 páginas de la Licitación
 
 http://ceibal.org.uy/docs/Licitacion-152-2011-Pliego-%20Condiciones-Plataforma.pdf
 te lo acorté a 12 páginas (es el pdf que puse como attach a éste
 e-mail). Le borré 47 páginas que estaban llenas de bla bla de
 agogados.


 Paolo,

 te agradezco mucho para esta version, ahora fue mucho más facil
 encontrar los aspectos relevantes.

 Tampoco sé mucho de este tipo de licitaciones pero lo que si me parece
 interesante - en especial en comparación con la licitación de Rwanda
 que parece haber sido parecido en su enfoque - que la describción en
 la sección de los contenidos educativos esta bastante amplio. Si lo
 entiendo bien en Rwanda habían requisitos de certificación segun un
 estandard educativo pero no veo nada de esto en esta licitación
 uruguaya.

 En todo caso será interesante ver los resultados de este proceso... :-)

 Saludos,
 Christoph

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Re: [IAEP] Call for bids, Educational platform, curricular content for CEIBAL

2011-06-25 Thread mokurai
On Fri, June 24, 2011 10:22 am, Caryl Bigenho wrote:

 Hummm  Sugar Labs could use $48G.  Maybe folks in charge of
 development should take a good look at this one.

I'm in charge of the Replacing Textbooks program, and I am taking a good
hard look at it. We would need a number of partners, and I have a good
idea whom to ask. Would you like to join in, Caryl?

If we can get paid to develop a set of interactive education materials in
Spanish, we can then translate to the several dozen other languages of
OLPC deplopments. The bottom line, apart from getting paid to do what we
want to do anyway, is that with Free Software and Free Open Education
Resources, netbooks are far less expensive than decent printed textbooks,
and can be of much higher quality. We can then talk to politicians
anywhere about improving education while saving money, an offer they
cannot easily refuse. ^_^

 Caryl

 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:03:21 -0500
 From: yamap...@gmail.com
 To: IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
 Subject: [IAEP] Call for bids, Educational platform,  curricular content
 for CEIBAL









 $48 G in IADB funds, $114 G total



 page 18 has the abstract, and pp. 34-37 details on the actual stuff
 they are looking for.  The rest is lawyerly fluff, so beware...







 On 06/16/2011 04:53 PM, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:

   2011/6/16 nanon...@mediagala.com



 Christoph Derndorfer wrote:

 vi que Plan Ceibal anunció una licitación para
 Plataforma
 Educativa on line...

 -







 Hola, Christoph:



 No soy experto en Licitaciones, ni tampoco en Plataformas
 Educativas,
 en lo único que te puedo ayudar es en pasarte un pequeño
 resumen de lo
 que pide dicha licitación.



 De las 59
   páginas de la Licitación te lo acorté a 12 páginas (es
 el pdf que
 puse como attach a éste e-mail). Le borré 47 páginas que
 estaban llenas
 de bla bla de agogados.






 Paolo,



 te agradezco mucho para esta version, ahora fue mucho más
   facil encontrar los aspectos relevantes.




   Tampoco sé mucho de este tipo de licitaciones pero lo que si
   me parece interesante - en especial en comparación con la
   licitación de Rwanda que parece haber sido parecido en su
   enfoque - que la describción en la sección de los contenidos
   educativos esta bastante amplio. Si lo entiendo bien en Rwanda
   habían requisitos de certificación segun un estandard
   educativo pero no veo nada de esto en esta licitación
   uruguaya.



 En todo caso será interesante ver los resultados de este
   proceso... :-)



 Saludos,

   Christoph




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Re: [IAEP] Call for bids, Educational platform, curricular content for CEIBAL

2011-06-25 Thread mokurai
On Fri, June 24, 2011 10:03 am, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote:
 $48 G in IADB funds, $114 G total

Where is the information on funding? I didn't see it in the PDF or on the
Plan Ceibal site.

 page 18 has the abstract, and pp. 34-37 details on the actual stuff they
 are looking for.  The rest is lawyerly fluff, so beware...

Got it, thanks.

 On 06/16/2011 04:53 PM, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
 2011/6/16 nanon...@mediagala.com mailto:nanon...@mediagala.com

 /Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
 vi que Plan Ceibal anunció una licitación para Plataforma
 Educativa on line...
 
 -/



 Hola, Christoph:

 No soy experto en Licitaciones, ni tampoco en Plataformas
 Educativas, en lo único que te puedo ayudar es en pasarte un
 pequeño resumen de lo que pide dicha licitación.

 De las 59 páginas de la Licitación
 
 http://ceibal.org.uy/docs/Licitacion-152-2011-Pliego-%20Condiciones-Plataforma.pdf
 te lo acorté a 12 páginas (es el pdf que puse como attach a éste
 e-mail). Le borré 47 páginas que estaban llenas de bla bla de
 agogados.


 Paolo,

 te agradezco mucho para esta version, ahora fue mucho más facil
 encontrar los aspectos relevantes.

 Tampoco sé mucho de este tipo de licitaciones pero lo que si me parece
 interesante - en especial en comparación con la licitación de Rwanda
 que parece haber sido parecido en su enfoque - que la describción en
 la sección de los contenidos educativos esta bastante amplio. Si lo
 entiendo bien en Rwanda habían requisitos de certificación segun un
 estandard educativo pero no veo nada de esto en esta licitación
 uruguaya.

 En todo caso será interesante ver los resultados de este proceso... :-)

 Saludos,
 Christoph

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Re: [IAEP] project status

2011-06-22 Thread mokurai
On Mon, June 20, 2011 6:55 am, Valerie Taylor wrote:
 Is there a single place where all active projects / initiatives are
 listed with information about current status, priorities, links to
 other important information and a contact?

No. That would be a lot of work to do manually, but well worth it if it
could be automated. At the highest level, contacts are provided on

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Getting_Involved

You can find translators and administrators listed in Pootle, bug owners
in Trac, and authors in Replacing Textbooks. I assume that there are other
resources in areas where I don't have as much involvement.

 There are pages for each project but I haven't found one place where I
 can see the current big picture - not too many words, lots of links
 and maybe some status / urgency indicators in a simple table?

Sounds useful.
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Re: [IAEP] Journal files

2011-06-19 Thread mokurai
On Sun, June 19, 2011 11:22 am, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
 On 20 June 2011 00:30, Kevin Gordon kgordon...@gmail.com wrote:
 I presume this doesn't do what you are looking for?  Doesn't scale
 particulary elegantly, but I find it useful

 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Copy_to_and_from_the_Journal

 It does the basic job of copying to/from the Journal.

 However, it needs to be an easy GUI feature. Anything that requires a
 terminal is far beyond what we can expect a teacher or child to do.

I have recommended the Midnight Commander file manager for this purpose.

sudo yum install mc

It is a full-screen character-mode program that runs in Terminal, so it
needs no Sugarizing. Among its features are sorting, filtering, selecting
multiple items or groups of items, and two-click copying or moving of
selections, whether files or whole directories. We would need to write
some lesson plans in order to give this to children.

MC is not suitable for copying to and from the Journal, but it handles
everything in plain files, and simplifies using the scripts given on the
page you referenced.

See also

http://booki.flossmanuals.net/command-line/edit/

written for the Free Software Foundation. (I am one of the authors.)
Unlike conventional command-line textbooks and manuals for those planning
to be developers or sysadmins, this describes only what users need to
know. It is not directly suitable for young children, but again we could
use it as the basis for lesson plans.

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Re: [IAEP] ??

2011-06-19 Thread mokurai
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 08:55, Donald Cohen doncohenmath...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Ed,
 You have asked me to put my book Calculus By and For Young
People-Worksheets
 under a CC license-which I've done.

Thank you.

 Why not use my methods/lessons on the
 computer?  Someone could make it work on the computer.

Exactly. See the Nepalese Epaati software described at

http://www.olpcnews.com/countries/nepal/epaati__educational_software.html

  If you send me your
 address I will send each of you a CD with my worksheet book.

Edward Cherlin
2212 Home Ave.
Columbus IN 47201

Didn't you send me one?

 In the meantime you could check out my A Map to Calculus

 http://www.mathman.biz/html/map.html

 and see all the
 lessons I do involving fractions.(a sample- infinite series, cookie
 sharing, solving equations, graphing linear equations to slope and area
 under curves, probability, continued fractions, infinite sequence of ratios
 of consecutive Fibonacci #s, Binomial expansion (Pascal's triangle), c/d of
 a circle, similar triangles, scale factors... ).

Well done.

 On Monday I will be able to see my A Map to Calculus on a smart phone as an
 APP!

Congratulations. Who did the programming? Have you seen

http://booki.flossmanuals.net/make-your-own-sugar-activities/edit/

 Why do you want to use the old wheel and make textbooks?

Not at all. The program is Replacing Textbooks by integrating software
into the curriculum, as in

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/0/0e/Gravity.odt

 Remember Feynman!
 Couldn't problems be put on the computer after children work on the
 lessons? NO.

No?

 Couldn't the kids make up the questions? When that happens
 they really learn what they are doing, and the problems they make up are
 usually harder that those I make up. So the kids would make the textbook on
 the computer! They could even rate the questions- too easy, easy, harder,
 most difficult.

Exactly. Kids could at some point write programs to set themselves
problems, although that doesn't cover the really creative questions that
are children's best contributions. The more interesting part is when
children are able to act like scientists who understand that the
importance of a new discovery is measured by the number and variety of new
questions that it opens up, and the number of old ideas that it knocks
down. Really good examples include non-Euclidean geometry, non-standard
arithmetic and analysis, quantum theory, relativity, and evolution.

 I am making a list of activities I use with kids which involve fractions
and
 will send this. I am a little slow, and with my kid-sessions/week (about
60)
 and two students coming from CA and LA for 5 days each, the end of June and
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I consider it well worth the wait.

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Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Journal prompts (was: Re: FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar)

2011-06-17 Thread mokurai
 what that last sentence means about Sugar.

See the Replacing Textbooks page on the Wiki (URL in sig). It is not that
the XO replaces textbooks, but that we create the free digital
replacements for expensive printed textbooks. Not just PDFs of existing
textbooks, but interactive materials that integrate Sugar activities with
subject matter, as Alan Kay has explained for teaching gravity. Here is my
extended version of his lessons, using Turtle Art, Record, and Scratch.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/0/0e/Gravity.odt

We have to cover every school subject and more for students, with a full
course of teacher training and materials to explain what we are doing to
parents, administrators, politicians...

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[IAEP] Replacing textbooks server problem

2011-06-17 Thread mokurai
I have just learned from dogi (Stefan Unterhauser) that the Django
software on the Replacing Textbooks server at booki.treehouse.su needs
occasional restarting, and that I am assigned to doing that as the
principal user and manager of that server.

Acabo de enterarme de dogi (Stefan Unterhauser) que el software de Django
en el servidor Sustitución de Libros de Texto en booki.treehouse.su
necesidades ocasionales de reiniciar, y que estoy asignado a hacerlo, como
usuario principal y administrador de ese servidor.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Machine/treehouse/booki#known_problems

So if you can't get a Web page from the server, let me know.

Por lo tanto, si usted no puede conseguir una página Web desde el
servidor, hágamelo saber.
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[IAEP] Unity desktop in Ubuntu (was Re: [Sugar-devel] Is Apple's New OS X Copying Sugar???)

2011-06-17 Thread mokurai
On Fri, June 17, 2011 6:51 pm, Caryl Bigenho wrote:

 Hi folks,
 Maybe what seem to be problems with Sugar aren't so bad after all.  In
 fact, it looks like Apple is using some of our stuff!

So is Ubuntu's new default desktop, Unity. Instead of a menu of
applications, it has a display of icons for frequently-used apps,
installed apps, and installable apps, with an option to select a subset
such as Office, Accessories, System and so on, and a search box for typing
any part of the app name or description.

But these ideas are in the air. The search field in our journal or in
Unity is very much like the Firefox Awesome Bar for searching by URL or
title among Web pages that you have visited.

Unity also has a bar on the left for active apps and some other icons,
which relates to the Apple dock and also to the Sugar frame. Like the
frame, it slides out when you put the mouse pointer into the corner or
along the edge, according to a preference setting. One of the icons allows
you to search for a document by icon or with the search box, rather like
the Journal except that it also searches for folders.

 The most striking is the new Air Drop feature which is, essentially, our
 mesh network!  It uses wi-fi and even has a view that I swear is is a copy
 of our Neighborhood View!

 Also, while you are all worrying about reducing the number of saves to the
 Journal, Apple's has made it's new Lion version of OS X have an autosave
 feature that constantly saves multiple versions of your projects.  Of
 course, a lot of software already has this feature, but now it seems to
 apply to everything you might be running on the Apple.

 I found all this by watching Apple's video of their presentation at the
 WWDC last week.  It's a long video (about 2 hours). Unless you are an
 Apple aficionado, I wouldn't recommend it.

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Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Journal prompts (was: Re: FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar)

2011-06-16 Thread mokurai
 to improve the underlying tools, I think we'll see more use.
 (By chance, when I was visiting the Caacupé deployment last year, I
 happened upon a meeting at one of the schools where the parents were
 being taught how to use the Journal so that they could talk with their
 children about their work, so I know that at least in some places, the
 Journal is being used in ways that we envisioned.) It was in response
 to feedback I got at the OLPC-sponsered assessment summit a few months
 back that I wrote the Portfolio activity --
 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4437 -- which I am
 hoping will lower the barrier to using portfolios as a routine part of
 the Sugar experience.

 regards.

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Re: [IAEP] FW: [OLPC Bolivia] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar why would YOU want to?

2011-06-15 Thread mokurai
 interesting ideas.  I see Portal
 Ceibal shows information on Khan Academy and Sugata Mitra,  among
 other education ideas that are calling the attention of many people
 around the world today.

cjl - Here Carlos is suggesting that Sugar and an XO laptop alone
 are not the solution to all problems, a conclusion I heartily agree
 with.  It fails to acknowledge what Sugar and XOs make possible, but I
 will not quibble there, I will join him in celebrating the ingenuity
 of local deployments and even children in appropriating the tools they
 have adopted and reworking them to meet their own needs and desires.
 At this point I am tempted to shout Hallelujah or less aptly
 Mission Accomplished.  The appropriation of the tools and technology
 by local communities is the end-game we all seek (I think).

cjl - What this leaves out is the sincere desire of Sugar Labs to
 gather that creative energy back from the deployments and share it
 with other deployments around the world.  Let's be honest in admitting
 we just don't do this well enough (yet).  I myself would like to see
 OLE Nepal's materials translated into English and hosted on Pootle for
 anyone to localize into their language of choice (just as an example).
  This returns us to the need for deeper and more meaningful engagement
 to harvest both the good and the bad from deployments.

 cjl - Kenneth, that is how I read Carlos's message.  It may not
 be what he really meant to say and he may not like how I characterize
 some of his points, but this is just my opinion, which you *did* ask
 for,  You just didn't realize that I would actually give it to you :-)

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Re: [IAEP] [Sur] No logro aprender Sugar / I cannot learn Sugar

2011-06-14 Thread mokurai
On Tue, June 14, 2011 8:31 pm, Carlos Rabassa wrote:
 No logro aprender Sugar

 https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1eot88jPUrJgo2MWR7KNyHa8UqZjdTUOun6JH9A_7KBg


 I cannot learn Sugar

 https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1yBr2G7FF5Jr46ixt_THm1xQh08cyNJXx8KUy-WDZ1Xs

You ask interesting and important questions. I appreciate the difficulties
that you are having (some of which I share), and I would like to assist,
but these documents do not say, either in Spanish or English, what you
have failed to learn, nor which parts of Sugar do not work for you.

Let us see whether we can make the record we need as a basis for a fully
productive discussion. I am not on most of the lists that you sent your
plea to, so I have to ask you to copy this to them, and invite others to
join our conversation here.

Have you been directed to these resources?

Here is what I and others had trouble with at first, but mostly found
answers for:

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_Undiscoverable

There are Sugar manuals at

http://booki.flossmanuals.net/

There are Wiki pages on individual Sugar Activities, linked from

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities#Native_Sugar_Activities

Do these answer any of your questions or solve any of your problems?

Please give us a list of the remaining problems. We will add them to the
page on The Undiscoverable, and to various Sugar manuals at FLOSS Manuals
and in the Sugar Labs Replacing Textbooks project.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Replacing_Textbooks

We will do our best to get answers, file bugs, and do whatever else is
appropriate. This will not only help us to help you, but to help all who
come after.

I would ask any translators reading this to prioritize these materials,
particularly for translation to Spanish, but to other languages as well.
FLOSS Manuals is publishing a Spanish translation of Make Your Own Sugar
Activities.

http://translate.flossmanuals.net/ActivitiesGuideSugar_es/Introduction

We intend to translate the rest of the existing Sugar manuals into Spanish
and other languages, and to write more.

 Carlos Rabassa
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Re: [IAEP] calibre + OPDS for offline book catalogs.

2011-06-13 Thread mokurai
On Mon, June 13, 2011 8:30 am, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:

 Valerie Taylor and I are both very much interested in using such a
 solution for the Replacing Textbooks project. We already know of sites
 with 100,000 Open Education resources, and the rate of development is
 accelerating. I just learned earlier today that Bangladesh has put more
 than 100 of its existing K-12 textbooks online for free downloading,
 covering its entire curriculum.


 Would be great have a wiki page with information about book sources,
 licenses, etc.

Sources:

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Open_Education_Resources

Just one of these sources lists over 100,000 OERs. You will have to
consult their listings for licenses. Or do you mean a page explaining the
licensing possibilities? Can do, but not right now.

 Gonzalo

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Re: [IAEP] calibre + OPDS for offline book catalogs.

2011-06-13 Thread mokurai
On Mon, June 13, 2011 2:30 pm, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
 Any of them using OPDS servers?

I have no idea. I can't even keep up with the content they list, and know
nothing about the software they use.

 Gonzalo

 On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, moku...@earthtreasury.org wrote:

 On Mon, June 13, 2011 8:30 am, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
 
  Valerie Taylor and I are both very much interested in using such a
  solution for the Replacing Textbooks project. We already know of
 sites
  with 100,000 Open Education resources, and the rate of development is
  accelerating. I just learned earlier today that Bangladesh has put
 more
  than 100 of its existing K-12 textbooks online for free downloading,
  covering its entire curriculum.
 
 
  Would be great have a wiki page with information about book sources,
  licenses, etc.

 Sources:

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Open_Education_Resources

 Just one of these sources lists over 100,000 OERs. You will have to
 consult their listings for licenses. Or do you mean a page explaining
 the
 licensing possibilities? Can do, but not right now.

  Gonzalo

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Re: [IAEP] Is there a new geek anti-intellectualism?

2011-06-12 Thread mokurai
On Sat, June 11, 2011 7:32 pm, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
 Hi all,

 thanks to Twitter I stumbled across a very interesting blog post called
 Is there a new geek anti-intellectualism?
 (http://larrysanger.org/2011/06/is-there-a-new-geek-anti-intellectualism/).

 Particularly in combination with the author's replies
 (http://larrysanger.org/2011/06/geek-anti-intellectualism-replies/) to
 many of the comments his original story received after being widely
 spread via Slashdot, Twitter, blogs, etc. this make for fascinating
 weekend read.

The Two Cultures (C. P. Snow) strikes again. To me, this smacks of sour
grapes. It's too hard for me, therefore it isn't worth doing.

There is a lot of wasted space in academic publications, particularly in
those branches of philosophy and theology that waste efforts on proving
what everybody knows that turns out not to be the case. One of the best
parts of my time in college was digging through many of the most famous
examples to understand why, and to pick out the gems amid the trash. Part
of the problem has been that it was illegal, and considered immoral, to
publish the truth on almost anything to do with the secular and religious
ruling classes in ages past. The history of restrictions on speech
gradually giving way, and the establishment of a considerable degree of
freedom of speech (beginning in Holland during its 90 Years War with the
Spanish Empire and Inquisition) is one of the greatest adventures in human
development.

I align myself with John Alexander Smith (1863–1939), who said,

Gentlemen, you are now about to embark on a course of studies which
will occupy you for two years. Together, they form a noble adventure.
But I would like to remind you of an important point. Nothing that you
will learn in the course of your studies will be of the slightest
possible use to you in after life, save only this, that if you work
hard and intelligently you should be able to detect when a man is
talking rot, and that, in my view, is the main, if not the sole,
purpose of education.

Smith was Professor of Moral Philosophy at Oxford University. Statement
recorded in 1914.

It was certainly the main point that Socrates taught, according to the
early Platonic dialogues. Plato himself put out some of the rottenest rot
in history later on, especially in The Republic.

 I definitely haven't managed to wrap my head around all of it but as a
 geek-dominated community working on education projects I feel some the
 things being discussed there potentially also apply to our own efforts.

We are taking pretty much the opposite point of view in the Replacing
Textbooks program. Save the baby, and use the bathwater to water the lawn.

 Cheers,
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Re: [IAEP] 40 maths shapes challenges

2011-06-09 Thread mokurai
On Wed, June 8, 2011 12:22 pm, Alan Kay wrote:
 And the arc primitive shouldn't be there 

You have said too much or too little, Alan. Why not?

 Cheers,

 Alan




 
 From: Rita Freudenberg r...@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de
 To: IAEP SugarLabs iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
 Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 9:27:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [IAEP] 40 maths shapes challenges

 Does anyone know about the license of the turtle confusion book? Would
 it be
 ok to translate it?

 Greetings,
 Rita



 On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Bill Kerr wrote:

 introduced turtle art and barry newell's 40 shapes to my students today


about half way through the lesson someone asked, how do you do the
 circle?


before I could say anything another student replied, that's easy - just
 use
arc


you've gotta laugh
(an arc primitive wasn't there for the original logo, nor is it in
 scratch)


On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 2:12 AM, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.com
 wrote:

Circle is one of the hardest in Scratch. Unless I am missing a command.

Cheers,
Maria Droujkova
http://www.naturalmath.com/

Make math your own, to make your own math.





On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Bill Kerr billk...@gmail.com wrote:

Image attached


Forty shapes to make in Scratch or some other version of logo, such as
 Turtle
Art. It's hard to see the thumbnail but click on it for a larger view.

This is one of the best sheets ever for teaching maths (designed by
 Barry
Newell):

* the logo turtle or scratch cat acts as a transitional object between
 the
concrete maths shape and the abstraction of the script that makes the
 shape
* the sheet includes both simple and complex shapes, increasing in
 order of
complexity, there is a challenge there for everyone
* many of the more complex shapes are made up of combinations of the
 simpler
shapes
Source: Barry Newell's Turtle Confusion (1988)

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Re: [IAEP] calibre + OPDS for offline book catalogs.

2011-06-09 Thread mokurai

On Tue, June 7, 2011 2:30 pm, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
 I will download Calibre and try it. If this not works, we can use code
 from Pathagar to create a catalog
 or use python to create the catalog.xml file with the data in the csv
 file, or use another
 simpler format (like json) to create local catalogs.
 I only need a little of time. This week si packed.

 Gonzalo

Valerie Taylor and I are both very much interested in using such a
solution for the Replacing Textbooks project. We already know of sites
with 100,000 Open Education resources, and the rate of development is
accelerating. I just learned earlier today that Bangladesh has put more
than 100 of its existing K-12 textbooks online for free downloading,
covering its entire curriculum.

 On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 5:54 PM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gonzalo,

 I've been investigating OPDS with calibre as a way of distributing
 books with an offline catalog.  As you know, there has always been an
 interest in doing this in areas where Internet access is unavailable.

 With the help of calibre-OPDS I was able to create both a website and
 an OPDS catalog that can easily live in an Apache webroot, a thumb
 drive, or a Dropbox folder.  In this way you can easily create a
 static website that does NOT require calibre to be running.

 Now the bad news: the OPDS catalog seems to be more complex that what
 GetBooks can deal with.  It is organized as a hierarchy of XML files,
 with lists by Author, Title, Rating, etc.  Instead of having just one
 XML file with the whole catalog you have a bunch of them.

 The software is described here:


 http://dearauthor.com/ebooks/create-your-own-cloud-of-ebooks-with-calibre-calibre-opds-dropbox/

 You might try this yourself.  The software is in Java and is really
 simple to set up, so you can generate a test OPDS index in no time
 from data in a calibre database.

 The static website is actually quite useful, and could be used from
 the Browse Activity if the website was stored on a thumb drive.  That
 might be an alternative to recommend to those who need to distribute
 books without Internet access.

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Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out

2011-06-09 Thread mokurai
-referential environments alive
 and relevant in the world at large.  I think one problem is that the
 state of the environment doesn't get kept in simple text files -- a
 concept of enduring value.  My old APL programs are all dead too; they

 were objects in workspaces and weren't usually stored in small,
 persistent, portable, named, modular textual representations, the way
 C or Python programs are.


 This is why I am trying to get kids to leave Turtle Art behind. It is
 there
 as a hook to get them started, but not intended to be more than a
 stepping
 stone.



 Perhaps the key is to keep these immersive environments sufficiently
 tiny that you don't mind them dying when you turn your attention to
 something else.  Tininess also helps to make one understandable and
 modifiable by others in case they DO want to keep it going after you
 move on.

John


 It is worth pointing out that there are some math teachers in .UY who
 are
 using the export SVG capabilities of Turtle Art to launch their students
 into more sophisticated graphing and data visualization. Not what I had
 expected, but quite a good outcome nonetheless.

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Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out

2011-06-07 Thread mokurai
 Hopkins worked on a PostScript-based window system (HyperLook)
 that would let you flip over an object on the screen to see behind
 it a control panel with the guts of its implementation visible.  You
 could modify those, then flip it back and it would resume running.
 See: http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/hyperlook/index.html and
 http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/simcity/hyperlook-demo.html .

 Looking back at HyperLook, it looks a lot like the etoys environment,
 full of object oriented code with direct manipulation gui editor
 interfaces.

The underlying Smalltalk language allows users to view the source of every
object, down to the virtual machine. We can use the Etoys turtle graphics
functions to do what you are asking for here.

 It's dead now; a historical curiosity of interest only to
 prior-art searchers defeating too-obvious software patents.  It's hard
 to keep such self-contained and self-referential environments alive
 and relevant in the world at large.  I think one problem is that the
 state of the environment doesn't get kept in simple text files -- a
 concept of enduring value.  My old APL programs are all dead too;

Mine aren't.

 they
 were objects in workspaces and weren't usually stored in small,
 persistent, portable, named, modular textual representations, the way
 C or Python programs are.

But I helped create the first ISO/ANSI standard APL system, and I tended
to stay with standard features. There is a WorkSpace Interchange Standard
that will let you get code from working programs into files, and then into
other APL systems. However, J uses external code files in ASCII.

 Perhaps the key is to keep these immersive environments sufficiently
 tiny that you don't mind them dying when you turn your attention to
 something else.  Tininess also helps to make one understandable and
 modifiable by others in case they DO want to keep it going after you
 move on.

Smalltalk/Etoys seems to be a counterexample to your claim.

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Re: [IAEP] I am so excited I can hardly stand it - how about a Daisy Reader too?

2011-05-30 Thread mokurai
On Mon, May 30, 2011 2:38 pm, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
 On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM, mari...@ourdyslexicchildren.org wrote:

  Hi!

 Oh my goodness . . . you can read EPUBs?  That is great!! Even the book
 reader people say they can't speak EPUB - I am thinking about KNO and
 the
 reader that Barnes and Noble is pushing.  They say they can't do it.

 Well, the support of epub files in Read activity was done more than a year
 ago, I think by Sayamindu Dasgupta.

Good to know. I must go test it.

 Can you also include a Daisy Reader or something that works with the
 RFBD
 (Recording For the Blind  Dyslexic) books?

We have been discussing that for years, and some work in that direction
was done using the text-to-speech engine in Speak, and following the model
of Same Language Subtitling of Bollywood films with coloring of the text
as it is spoken or sung. (The most effective literacy campaign in India
ever.) If you can drum up some volunteer developers or financial support
for the project we can probably complete it for English and Spanish, and
then offer it to other language communities for adaptation to their speech
and writing systems.

Accessibility is one of the critical targets for the Replacing Textbooks
project that I manage, to get rid of print and go to digital Open
Education Resources.

 Now they call themselves
 Learning Ally (http://learningally.org).  There is something open source
 that works with Firefox for Windows called DDReader.  I am not techy
 enough
 to know if it is adaptable.  The Learning Ally files are audio.
 Formerly
 they have been encrypted mp3s or wmas, but now they are in a push to
 make
 everything more accessible.  They have a huge collection and most
 current textbooks.


 I think the DDReader works only in Windows.

Correct.

 About the books in learningally.org, are these books free?

Some can be downloaded by registered users at no charge, but thy are not
generally under free licenses.

Important Copyright Notice
The contents of all Learning Ally books are protected under copyright law.
Learning Ally regulates the distribution of materials within a qualified
member population of individuals who have a learning disability, visual
impairment or other physical disability, and who have provided documented
evidence of a print disability

 I am also a big fan of Librivox.  Last semester I was at an elementary
 school and had what I called an audio book server.  I just used the
 Gutenberg html versions with embedded audio of Librivox recordings.
 Using
 the web browser, the child clicked on the book and it started reading
 when the text and pictures came up.  Kids liked it.

 Probably is a good online solution. I don't know how do this offline,
 because the recorded books a huge.

This is one of the intended uses of School Servers.

 Can there be some sort of Sugar on a Stick version for dyslexic kids?  I
 would definitely promote it and distribute it in Texas.

We would probably not do a separate version, but would include
accessibility in the base system.

 Probably is a good project, but need people with knowledge about dyslexic
 and time to create and maintain it.

Nicholas Negroponte is dyslexic. We could talk to him about it.

 Thanks to all of you who are contributing.  It's great!


 Thanks! I am only putting together the different pieces :)
 We know there are a lot of work to do. but I think we can create a
 solution in par or better than the commercialy offered.

 Gonzalo


 Marilyn

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Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Down

2011-05-21 Thread mokurai
On Fri, May 20, 2011 9:32 pm, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
 The question is: does this really have educational value? Turtles all
 the
 way down is a great slogan, and a fine way to teach a graduate-level
 class
 on compiler technology,

See

* The Anatomy of LISP, by John Allen, and LISP machines, for LISP all the
way down to the hardware.

*
http://domino.watson.ibm.com/tchjr/journalindex.nsf/600cc5649e2871db852568150060213c/641aa395fee3dd2c85256bfa006859fc!OpenDocument

A Formal Description of System\360, by Adin Falkoff

in the original pre-APL Iverson Notation, and Digital Systems: Hardware
Organization and Design, by Frederick J. Hill  Gerald R. Peterson

for APL all the way down, also to the hardware. Specifically AHPL, A
Hardware Programming Language.

* SOAR (Smalltalk on a RISC) at UC Berkeley for Smalltalk all the way down
to the hardware.

* FORTH microprocessors such as Forth Multiprocessor Chip MuP21

http://www.ultratechnology.com/p21.html

I would be interested to know of any other examples of hardware
implementation of a programming language. (Not the Algol-optimized and
COBOL-optimized Burroughs machines; real hardware implementations.)

 but I feel that the higher-level UI for tile-based
 program editing is the really useful thing for tablet computing. I'm a
 compiler geek and love the grungy underbelly of this stuff, but I keep
 reminding myself I should really be spending more time building a
 beautiful
 fluffy surface.

I once used a tile-based UI in a commercial database program. It was
horrible once we got past the toy examples.

 You are doing the right question
 I remember here No silver bullet [1]
 Different languages, different levels of abstraction, need different
 interfaces, and text is powerfull interface. May be is not the best
 interface to start to program, but surely graphic block are not the best
 interface to do programs of more than 400 of blocks.

Of course. I would say that perhaps 40 or 50 blocks is a reasonable limit.
After that, you should be writing subroutines to go in Python blocks, and
not very long after transition to pure Python.

 Gonzalo

 [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Silver_Bullet

 On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:30 AM, C. Scott Ananian
 csc...@laptop.orgwrote:

 I've done a little more work on Turtles All The Way Down, which I
 (very briefly) discussed at EduJam.  I actually wrote a garbage
 collector in TurtleScript for TurtleScript on Sunday.  Brief writeup
 here:
   http://cananian.livejournal.com/64140.html
 and exhaustive mind-numbing detail here:
   http://cscott.net/Projects/TurtleScript/

 No actual turtles yet!  I'm going to have to fix that soon.
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Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Out

2011-05-20 Thread mokurai
 there, you can learn the syntactic sugar of any
programming language. After learning three different clean programming
models, we have some hope that our children will appreciate what
abominations most other programming languages are.

I invented Object-Oriented Programming, and C++ is _not_ what I had in
mind.--Alan Kay

 As in the
 model-view-controller paradigm, the kids need to learn that the view
 is not the model, but the model is a simply structured thing that
 lives behind the view.  If you don't teach the abstract structures
 that the model is based on, the kids can't learn to make that
 separation.  This is why they never learn to modify the real programs
 that hide behind the fluffy interfaces on their real XO computers.

We have paths from Turtle Art to Python and Logo, and we also have all of
FORTH and Smalltalk built into XOs.

Also, I don't know of any more fundamental structure than a parse tree,
something that almost no conventional programming students ever learn
about. They only see the linear text view of their programs, and most form
incorrect models of the execution process. LISP has the best execution
model, with the eval-apply mutual recursion and the read-eval-print loop.

 I cannot speak for every Sugar developer, but the approach I have tried to
 take with Turtle Art is a bit different than you are describing.

Don't be modest, Walter, it's very different.

 The
 block-based programming environment is not meant to be a substitute for
 real tools; it is meant to be a place to get started;

to understand the real ideas behind programming without getting bogged
down in syntax;

 to learn that you can write
 and modify code; and to provide multiple motivations and launch pads for
 getting into the real thing. I've worked pretty hard to make the
 structured thing behind the view more approachable, and have provided
 multiple ways in and out: exporting your fluffy view into Logo that can
 be
 run in Brian Harvey's text-based Logo environment; direct, in-line
 extensions written in Python; the ability to create new blocks by
 importing
 Python; a plugin mechanism for making major interventions; and a
 refactoring
 of the underlying structures to make the code more approachable. (The
 source
 code is peppered with comments and examples of how to make modifications.)
 None of these interventions are intended to keep the kids programming in
 Turtle Art. They are all intended to get the kids started down the path of
 real programming. But I content that we need to engage them; let them
 discover that they can write code; and make changes; and that it is not
 something just for others but for everyone. When I talked about Turtles
 All the Way Down at Libre Planet two-years ago, I wasn't suggesting that
 we
 use fluffy interfaces all the way down, but that we invite modifications
 all
 the way down by providing scaffolding and encouragement. Step One is to
 give
 them the freedom to make changes; Step Two is to give them the context in
 which they can actually start doing it.

Yes, what Walter said.

  Sure, there will always be the
 handful of kids who will jump right into Emacs and C, but most won't.
 Maybe
 we can encourage a few more to do something of substance but giving them
 some scaffolding.

 I am open to suggestions as to how to get more kids to move on from Turtle
 Art to ___ (insert you favorite real programming environment here).



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Re: [IAEP] Turtles All The Way Down

2011-05-20 Thread mokurai
On Fri, May 20, 2011 2:28 pm, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
 On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
 This is nice!

 Smalltalk actually got started by thinking about a way to make a child's
 Logo-like language with objects and pattern matching that could express
 its own operating system and environment.

Seymour Papert also proposed creating an environment in which learning
math would be as easy as learning ordinary language. Smalltalk has a
number of kinds of number and shape objects, but I have not seen much else
in the way of mathematical objects. I am trying to go through various
subjects to extract the ideas that preschoolers can absorb, and create
materials to encourage them to explore those ideas.

Caleb Gattegno and Ken Iverson did a fair amount on algebra, using
Cuisenaire rods and APL respectively.

Don Cohen has done Calculus by and for Young People

I have made a start on symmetry groups, using variations on children's
block toys.

Elementary set theory using Venn diagrams was done long ago.

But there is so much more.

 It is very tricky to retain/maintain readability (so the first Smalltalk
 was
 also an extensible language not just semantically but syntactically).

 With a tile language, this is really worth thinking about, since using
 tiles
 suggests ways to extend both the form and the meaning of the tiles.

 My current thinking is that macros are *graphical*, not *source*
 transformations.  You can create
 your own tiles for the language which render into hygenic macros.
 They are represented in source as simple message dispatch.  For
 example, choosing a particularly ugly bit of JavaScript syntax:

I would like to be able to create a set of blocks implementing the
symmetry group of a simple shape such as an equilateral triangle. This
case is generated by a 120 degree rotation and a reflection, giving six
elements in all.

Similarly I would like to be able to do modular addition, subtraction,
multiplication, and division in finite fields, and the and and or
functions or union and intersection on lattices.

Does your system accommodate this?

 var ForBlockMacro = imports.macros.ForBlockMacro;
 var foo = function() {
  var i;
  ForBlockMacro(function() { i=0; },
function() { return i  5; },
function() { i+=1; },
function() { /* body */ });
 }

 This is the underlying syntax for the macro.  But the ForBlockMacro
 function (which is a first class object in JavaScript) can have an
 asTile() method which returns a more attractive visual representation
 in the tile editor; in fact, the representation could elide all the
 'function' and 'return' nastiness of the raw syntax and display
 (traditionally) as:

 for ( i=0 ; i  5 ; i+=1 ) {
   /* body */
 }

 My current plan is to finess the multiple views issue (discussed in
 3.4 of http://labs.oracle.com/self/papers/programming-as-experience.html)
 by representing objects as 3d polyhedra.  The front view might be
 the nice cleaned up tile macro, but you should be able to rotate the
 tile to see the low level source, and then rotate it again to see the
 object corresponding to the actual widget displaying the source, etc.
 So, one object, many views.

 I've built the current system on a very flexible operator precedence
 grammar, so there's no reason I *couldn't* allow the user to flexibly
 extend the base grammar.  But that increases the conceptual effort
 necessary to understand the system -- I have to understand the
 expanded language before I can understand the code I'm looking at.
 The macro system I describe above has the nice property that you don't
 *have* to understand the macro or the grammar of the new if statement.
  It's enough to look at the desugared version:

  ForBlockMacro(function() { i=0; },
function() { return i  5; },
function() { i+=1; },
function() { /* body */ });

 and the implementation of ForBlockMacro:

 ForBlockMacro = function(initBlock, condBlock, incrBlock, bodyBlock) {
  initBlock();
  while (condBlock()) {
  bodyBlock();
  incrBlock();
  }
};
ForBlockMacro.asTile() = ;

 This seems (to me) a preferable way of understanding what the new tile
 does.  But I'm open to other ideas on this front.  (And yes,
 JavaScript's syntax isn't lovely.  But I'm interested in what I can do
 with what I've got.)
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Re: [IAEP] Printing in Uruguay

2011-05-17 Thread mokurai
Copied to OLPC-SUR. We would be grateful if anyone felt like translating
this conversation into Spanish, and even more grateful if some of the
Spanish-speaking readers there would join this project.

I am about to make a section on the Ideas for Projects Wiki page for this
project...Done. Feel free to add ideas.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Ideas_for_Projects#Printing

On Tue, May 17, 2011 2:12 am, nanon...@mediagala.com wrote:
 /moku...@earthtreasury.org wrote:
  Shall we take this discussion back onto the mailing lists?
 /

 Sorry, I was replying your mails, and not replying to the entire mailing
 list.

Understood.

 The printing Problem is one of the issues that we are talking from 2008,
 and a lot of people wrote about it, but nothing practical  was decided.

 -

 I Know that printing is not necessary, but teachers ask us how to print.
 May be in 50 years nobody will print , but now is a issue that maybe
 someone can solve-.

 Mr Mokurai asked me what he can do to solve that problem.

 I'm  from Uruguay, and here the deployment is monopolized by Plan
 Ceibal, we (the volunteers) can only change little things, but we can't
 change big things, like installing something in the school servers, o
 installing printers, etc etc.

 That's why it is very difficult for us to try to install something to
 solve the printing problem.

 For example: from other countries, many people told us: do that and
 these, install that thing and this software, and the problem is solved...

 We can not go inside a school installing or touching thing that belongs
 to a school!. We are volunteers, that means in legal words: less than a
 fly.

 The server on each school is closed in a metal cage like a little
 fort-knox http://mediagala.com/rap/varios/servidor-ceibal.jpg, nobody
 can touch the server, and most of the times the server is in a separate
 room that the computer-room, in the cases that the school have one.

 --

 I Think that the printing problem_* may have two approaches: *_
 _the big centralized solution_, or _the little solution in a little
 school_.

 the big solution would be that Sugarlabs and/or Plan Ceibal install
 something in all the schools servers and all the Xos.

 This solutions does not concern me,

In English we call that a boil the oceans strategy.

 but maybe the second ...

 _*T**he second approach could be to try something in a little school*_,
 . For example, using the printer that a school already has, with a normal
 computer that that school already had, connected somehow to the Xos,
 with some software that can print.

And once that is working, we think about how to extend it to other
schools. I suggested having a student art show, and inviting children,
parents, teachers and administrators from other schools, local
politicians, perhaps even a Plan Ceibal person or two. No argument with
them is necessary. We just want them to see happy, smiling faces, and
perhaps hear what educational changes followed the availability of
printing.

It doesn't have to be art. A science fair with printed posters, or a
poetry or writing contest, or a photography exhibition, all would do.

It would be possible to have an exhibition on the children's own XOs, with
the children at hand to demonstrate their work, and to mention how much
the children would like to see their work printed out to exhibit when they
and their XOs are not there.

 For example: the first thing that may be done is printing a Write
 document (made on the XO), and printed using a school printer,
 connected to a computer with a web-printing software. or something
 similar.

 ---


 At this moment the teachers has a lot of problems printing something,
 because they have to use a USB penDrive to copy the file, saved in pdf
 or rtf, then taking the pendrive to someplace and with the fingers
 crossed she have to hope that on that computer she can open the .odt , o
 pdf,. or whatever.

Let us find as many teachers  as possible who are presently doing this,
and ask them to tell us about the value of printing for their students.
Let us also invite them into the project to find a better solution.

 -

 Connecting the School Xos with the normal PCs of the Scool it is
 impossible right now (on the Plan Ceibal Network).  The normal Computers
 can't connect with the ceibal network.   The only PCs that connects
 are SOME teachers laptops and the XOs 1.0 .

 You need a user and password to connect to the ceibal network, that is
 made so the people can't steal internet from the schools.

 --


 Possible solution N°1:
 -*We need a school, that has normal Pcs and one printer *(there are
 schools that already had computers and printers before OLPC). This is
 possible (not for all the schools, of couse)

 -*We need to connect that computer* (the one that has the printer) to
 the Ceibal NEtwork. This is possible too, (in theory

Re: [IAEP] copy files to/from server

2011-05-17 Thread mokurai
On Tue, May 17, 2011 3:42 am, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
 How can XOs copy files to/from their Journal with a server? We want
 the ability for teachers to easily make files available for children,
 and for children to upload to the server.

This appears to be a problem for the Devel list. If the server can be made
to appear in the frame in much the same way that an inserted USB drive
appears, this task will be easy. Or I should say, a shared folder on the
server, perhaps one per class or one per child.

I would recommend that you file a feature request on Trac.

 It's not practical to install another server (so an XS is not an
 option). Most schools have a Windows-based server, so they could use
 CIFS files shares. Accessing this is doable through GNOME, but not in
 Sugar with the Journal.

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Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] FW: Lots of Links!

2011-05-16 Thread mokurai
On Sun, May 15, 2011 9:48 pm, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote:
 wow, this is a fun coincidence.  I did something very similar years ago,
 when I was a new immigrant to the US.  Ran computer activities for the
 YMCA of Austin, including kids building/repairing computers and then
 those went to local families who could drop by for further training.
 Lots of fun!

There is a lot of this going on around the world now, such as the Laptop
Hospital organized in Nigeria by six-year-old girls.

 On 05/12/2011 11:10 AM, Lori Barfield wrote:
 gonzalo and tracy, thanks very much, i'll get all these ideas over to
 the district music teacher.

 there is other news.  i have done program development before for my
 local YMCA, and yesterday the Program Director expressed a great deal
 of interest in having me give an introduction to computing course for
 children,

Lori, would you take a look at my draft of Discovering Discovery, at

http://booki.treehouse.su/discovering-discovery/

and tell me whether you would be willing to work on this idea with
children? This version is aimed at older children and adults. I need to do
a teacher's version for those teaching children, who don't need a textbook
for this purpose. I don't know at what age we can get children to create
and maintain discovery journals, but they would be enormously helpful for
improving the XO, Sugar, and our training materials.

For pre-literate children, some method of recording their explorations,
preferably with them talking about everything that works and everything
that doesn't, would be even more helpful.

 and computer workshops for senior citizens.  this YMCA is
 one of the top ranking facilities in the country, and if i do any
 class for them it is likely the other YMCAs in my area will also want
 to participate.  i'm not sure how many i can fit in before august, so
 we'll see. :-)

 if i do work up a few classes for seniors, i think we'll need to stay
 inside the browser, since that skill will translate to other computers
 they are likely to have access to.  the XO screen is so tiny i expect
 there to be some challenges.  has anyone out there tried this before
 with the elderly?  do any of you have any suggestions?

I used to teach Internet browser classes at the local public library. We
got a lot of seniors there. Generally, I let them ask the questions, and
then demonstrated how to find and use what they were looking for. If I had
to do it again, I would make them do the searches, and think out loud
about what they were doing. The trick is to recognize when people are
working out something for themselves, and when they need a hint about
something they can't very well discover on their own.

I also taught minimal word and text processing, and I do mean minimal.
Turn on the computer, open the program, create a file, type something in
it, save the file, close it, open it again, double-click to select words,
cut, copy, paste, click-and-drag, drag-and-drop. In less than 15 minutes,
all in command mode with adults who had some computer experience but no
real training.

OK, now you can write and edit. You can take notes on what we are going to
do next. Formatting, styles, document structure, all the rest comes later.
(You can learn it by taking a class, reading a book, or just exploring.)
This was necessary preparation at the time. Then we spent the rest of the
hour on job-hunting tools.

I must write this up.

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Re: [IAEP] OERs and collaboration

2011-05-15 Thread mokurai
On Sat, May 14, 2011 12:08 pm, Valerie Taylor wrote:
 I'm becoming more convinced that the solution is a robust index /
 retrieval system. Provide the big picture - what OERs are currently
 available, how they map to the Replacing Textbooks vision of
 curriculum for all, what is missing, where there are works in progress
 and the status. This needs to be really up-to-date and easy to update.
 And of course, open software.

I took a quick look in Synaptic to see what sorts of package Ubuntu offers
for these purposes.

Search repository

Hyper Estraier is a full-text search system.

Search document database

couchdb RESTful document oriented database, system DB
mongodb An object/document-oriented database
Monotone A distributed version (revision) control system
SiSU documents - structuring, publishing in multiple formats and search

No doubt there are others.

 Let the OERs live where ever works for the creators. Make open space
 available by all means. Suggest outlines, vocabularies, categories.
 Peer reviews and ratings, librarian / curator function for tags and
 categories would be helpful, too.

 My first pass of the tasks for this would be:

 * communication / status - big picture - what is available, what
 is needed, work in progress, requests for collaboration
 * curriculum outlines - identify what is needed
 * existing OERs - find, categorize, dynamic / real-time map to big
 picture
 * identify gaps - so work can be directed to create missing
 * manage volunteers efforts - guidelines, questions
 * project management


 there are lots of
 disconnected education resources but little overall structure. This is
 not
 a criticism of the community, without the community, the resources
 would
 not exist.

 We will also need a repository that can handle a multidimensional
 collection of documents

 * on every school subject and teacher training subject, plus many more
 * at every level of child development
 * for every country
 * in every language needed

 That's why I am suggesting an index because the problem is too complex
 for a single repository which doesn't scale.


 There are several useful structuring principles. Mine is the growth of
 children's mental capacities.

 The solution must support several useful structuring principles.

 This is a tall order but I think it will have the best outcomes for
 educators and learners. And with this group behind it, it can attract
 the critical mass necessary to be seriously important and interesting.
 :o)
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Re: [IAEP] XO power management hindering collaboration

2011-05-15 Thread mokurai
On Sat, May 14, 2011 10:04 am, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
 It's looking to us that the aggressive power management enabled on the
 XO can sometimes create confusion when children are collaborating on
 activities.

 Take for example a turn-based game like Memorise. If a child is
 waiting for their turn, they might leave the XO untouched. In that
 time, power management can kick in, and the XO stops communicating
 over the wireless network. Waking up the XO (e.g. by touching the pad)
 doesn't always rejoin the XO to the game properly. The whole game is
 stalled because the turn cannot be completed.

Is this in the bug tracking system? If not, please file a bug report. (We
can help.) If it is, please add your experience to the existing bug
report.

 Are there any ways we can manage this in our deployments? Perhaps some
 guidelines to give to teachers so that they have a reasonable
 expectation?

An obvious workaround is to keep touching the XO so that it does not go to
sleep.

The more clumsy process is for the active player to exit and save, then
open the saved Journal entry and share again.

 Thanks,
 Sridhar



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Re: [IAEP] OERs and collaboration

2011-05-15 Thread mokurai
On Fri, May 13, 2011 3:31 am, Teemu Leinonen wrote:
 On 12.5.2011, at 18.09, Valerie Taylor wrote:
 A wiki-based solution could work.

 We are hosting an experimental wiki-like solution for primary and
 secondary school teachers for finding, authoring and sharing OERs. The
 are close to 20 000 educators from 65 countries working in 48
 languages (the UI is available in 14 languages). The site is here:

 http://lemill.net/

Added to

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Open_Education_Resources#Sources

 In LeMill teachers can create:

 I Content
 (1) educational web pages with embedded media,
 (2) exercise with
   a) multiple choice questions,
   b) fill-in-the-blanks exercise,
   c) open-ended questions or upload questions from Hot Potatoes,
 (3) Lesson plans
 (4) Media pieces (upload images and sound clips)
 (5) Reference (links to external websites

 II Methods
 - Descriptions of teaching and learning methods (from brainstorming to
 seminar)

 III Tools
 - Descriptions of teaching and learning tools (from post-it notes to
 mindmap software)

 Despite of the relatively large number of users and OERs only the
 Georgian and the Estonian communities are truly active and lively. The
 tag cloud of languages spoken by the community members is interesting:

 http://lemill.net/community/cloud?base=languagetype=MemberFolder

 We also have some hypothesis why the Georgians and Estonians are so
 active.

 It would be great to have more Sugar-related content on LeMill.

I am the Replacing Textbooks Project Manager for Sugar Labs. We should
discuss how we can work together.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Replacing_Textbooks

 Best regards,

   - Teemu

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Re: [IAEP] OERs and collaboration

2011-05-13 Thread mokurai
On Fri, May 13, 2011 7:07 am, Valerie Taylor wrote:
 YOU are systematic. It is the rest of us who need help.

It isn't just that. We are talking about producing several hundred
subject-matter OERs for all subjects at all levels, plus local content in
history, literature, health, agriculture and so on, in perhaps a hundred
languages, in both student and teacher editions, where the teacher's
edition will not be distinguished by having the right answers to the
problems, but by having lesson plans for each topic in a variety of
styles, as Muska Mosston put it, From Command to Discovery. And then
permitting remixing and matching to state, province, national, or
subject-matter-expert curricula. Among other things.

 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Valerie Taylor vtay...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I think there is merit in having a public repository like the Sugar
 Labs wiki to encourage educators and others to see what is being done,
 and build on that in a systematic way.

We will need a proper Free Software document repository built on a
sufficiently powerful database engine to support all of the requirements
mentioned above.

 We are not exactly systematic about it, but Tony links to his most
 relevant blog posts in the wiki. Please see
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt#Tutorials and
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt/Using_Turtle_Art_Sensors

Very nice. I have some to add.

 As far as how to make these posts have more impact, we are open to
 suggestions.

 Good example - the first encounter with the Turtle Art page is a
 little overwhelming - Obviously tons of wonderful information with
 pictures and code...

There are many OLPC and Sugar Labs Wiki pages with lots of good
information and almost no guidance on how to use it. I used to do the kind
of documentation we need for a living, but there is only one of me. We
need a team.

 Some us need to know what can it do? and why do I need to know all
 this stuff? (rather than how does it work?). The Challenges are
 great! This is where it starts to make some sense for me.
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt#Challenges

Which one of these meets my needs with the least fuss?

 Provide a way to showcase and contribute learning objects - basically
 challenge descriptions with categories / tags - subject, degree of
 difficulty, ... and optional information like learning objectives and
 additional information for teachers or students - setup, curriculum
 integration, links to more advanced related challenges. There should
 be a mechanism for adding reviews to challenge entries, too.

 The Turtle Art page is sooo organized that it doesn't invite
 contributions or collaboration. If there was a button that said add
 your own challenge or add a review of this challenge it would
 create a safe way to contribute. A form pops up with boxes to fill in,
 including some options, save and it is added to the page in the proper
 place without the risk of messing up what is already there.

For the experienced Wikiist, the Edit button is sufficient invitation, but
it takes people a while to believe it.

 This would also help educators (and students) find challenges to try
 themselves. Once they locate a couple of challenges that seem
 appropriate and interesting, then they will be motivated to work
 through all the terrific material provided.

We need to make some pages with just challenges and hints. I have been
working on the idea, off and on, at

http://booki.flossmanuals.net/discovering-discovery/edit/

and more recently

http://booki.treehouse.su/discovering-discovery/

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Re: [IAEP] OERs and collaboration

2011-05-13 Thread mokurai
 - subject, degree of
 difficulty, ... and optional information like learning objectives and
 additional information for teachers or students - setup, curriculum
 integration, links to more advanced related challenges. There should
 be a mechanism for adding reviews to challenge entries, too.

 Can you flesh this idea out a bit? Or even better do it? I am a bit vague
 on degree of difficulty  curriculum integration for the existing samples,
 this needs feedback from teachers in the field. Getting feedback is
 important.

 Would you let the tags just grow organically or should we work out some
 hierarchy of tagging? Is it worth making a start with something like
 Delicious? I suspect that reprogramming the wiki is too much to ask for at
 this stage.

There are several useful structuring principles. Mine is the growth of
children's mental capacities. At what stage of development can we
effectively introduce an essential idea? How do stages of development
correlate with age? How can we recognize a stage of development? How can
we maximize the children's own discovery? Which ideas are the most
essential?

There is a substantial literature on these questions, building on Piaget,
Montessori, Papert and others, but taking many new directions.

 You said you had made a TurtleArt sample. Please add it to the wiki. Feel
 free to restructure the existing pages so that its addition makes sense in
 the larger structure.

 Thanks again for the feedback

 Tony


 YOU are systematic. It is the rest of us who need help.

 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Valerie Taylor vtay...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I think there is merit in having a public repository like the Sugar
  Labs wiki to encourage educators and others to see what is being
 done,
  and build on that in a systematic way.
 
  We are not exactly systematic about it, but Tony links to his most
  relevant blog posts in the wiki. Please see
  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt#Tutorials and
  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt/Using_Turtle_Art_Sensors
 
  As far as how to make these posts have more impact, we are open to
 suggestions.
 
 Good example - the first encounter with the Turtle Art page is a
 little overwhelming - Obviously tons of wonderful information with
 pictures and code...

 Some us need to know what can it do? and why do I need to know all
 this stuff? (rather than how does it work?). The Challenges are
 great! This is where it starts to make some sense for me.
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt#Challenges

 Provide a way to showcase and contribute learning objects - basically
 challenge descriptions with categories / tags - subject, degree of
 difficulty, ... and optional information like learning objectives and
 additional information for teachers or students - setup, curriculum
 integration, links to more advanced related challenges. There should
 be a mechanism for adding reviews to challenge entries, too.

 The Turtle Art page is sooo organized that it doesn't invite
 contributions or collaboration. If there was a button that said add
 your own challenge or add a review of this challenge it would
 create a safe way to contribute. A form pops up with boxes to fill in,
 including some options, save and it is added to the page in the proper
 place without the risk of messing up what is already there.

 This would also help educators (and students) find challenges to try
 themselves. Once they locate a couple of challenges that seem
 appropriate and interesting, then they will be motivated to work
 through all the terrific material provided.
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[IAEP] Printing in Uruguay (was Re: OLPC in Science-Subjects --- NEED HELP!!!)

2011-05-13 Thread mokurai
On Fri, May 13, 2011 2:30 am, nanon...@mediagala.com wrote:
 /moku...@earthtreasury.org wrote:
  It is straightforward to share Journal entries between XOs.

although not over mesh networking.

 *..Printing is not necessary.*
 /

I said also that printing was useful. Further comments below on your
comments.

It is possible to set up XOs to print, but it requires installing the CUPS
printing package, and it means plugging into a USB printer for each job.

What we want is a school server with a printer, and a robust way to use
the wireless on the XOs to access it. Mesh networking is utterly
unreliable in the classroom, so we have to fall back to regular WiFi and
Jabber servers, or to a Web-based interface where one can upload a file or
a Journal entry and schedule it for printing. There are a number of
technical problems with this, which we need to put serious effort into
fixing. We also have to work on the user interface.

I will be happy to assist. Is anybody working on this in PLAN Ceibal?

Step 1. Collect user requirements in the form of use cases

* Who wants to print what, when, for what purposes?
* Do lots of children want to print at the same time?
* Is it acceptable to queue print jobs for later pickup?
* Color or black  white, or a mixture?
* Documents from other sources, or Journal entries, or printing from
activities?
* What sizes? (Metric vs. US; letter vs oversize and undersize)
* Should teachers schedule printing, or should students, or both?
* How much printing can a school afford?
* How will we manage permissions and privileges?
* What else have you heard from teachers and students?
* Which use case has highest priority?

Step 2. Triage

* Which use cases do we know how to support?
* Which use cases are most important?
* Who should decide what to do next?
* What minimizes the current pain?

Step 3. Implement first-cut solution

* Who will do the work?
* What oversight will there be?
* How do we test the solution?
* Did we solve the right initial problem?

Step 4.

* Lather, rinse, repeat

I hope this helps.

Who is willing to work on this problem?

 Mr. Mokurai:

 MAybe you are an expert in Education, and Xo, or SUgar development, or
 teaching children,

I reject the title of expert. I know a little, but mostly I know how
little I know. I am Project Manager of the Sugar Labs project to Replace
Textbooks with Open Education Resources, not because I know how to do it,
but because I am the only one who sees its importance as I do, and is
willing to do the work, and to find out how.

 but I think that you don't KNow the reality of the
 XOs here in Uruguay, or somewhere that the teachers uses XO.

My Spanish is bad, and I have not been to Uruguay, true. I am working on
both of those problems. I know how I use my laptop and my two XOs, which
does not include printing, unless an employer or a government agency
insists.

 *Printing is not necessary* is a very good statement , I agree, but
 for the real people (not the theoretical children) is only a statement,
 that is almost impossible to apply now. It is like saying The peace is
 better than the war... is a very good phrase, we all agree, but with
 that phrase I can not solve the problems of the world.

I have some ideas on peace, but they will take at least a generation to
work out. I am counting on our millions of children to help out after they
learn how to work with each other around the world. See The Evolution of
Cooperation, by Robert Axelrod, for a theoretical outline of an approach.

 The real world exists, and* in the real world the teachers wants to
 print.*.  that is a fact, and We can not change it. Maybe in 30 Years
 the mind of the Teachers will change, but not now.

Yes, I am very clear on the difference between want to and need to. It
was one of the main topics of my seminary training.

 MAybe in 30 Years this statement will be true, but now if you told a
 TEacher that you can't print  is the same as saying _don't use the
 Xo's. You have a XIX century mind. The XO are made for XXII century
 minds only._..

A XV century, pre-Gutenberg, approach works quite well, actually. We need
to adjust our thinking more than theirs.

 This is not my opinion, it's simply an observation of the real world
 that I see that here in Uruguay: _there are a lot of teachers that don't
 Use the XO_ because of lots of problems that it has (there are also
 other reasons that are non technical). One of those problems are the
 printing problem.

As expected, until we get XOs into the full curriculum in the teachers'
colleges.

 

 You said to share the Journal.  Excuse me, Mr. Mokurai:_* *_Do you
 Know that the MEsh doesn't works?

Yes, I do. You can share journal entries on USB flash drives, or over
Jabber servers.

  Even if you can share something,  The XOs hangs up, or loose the entire
 journal, and the children don't use the journal for important things,
 that's why

Re: [IAEP] OLPC in Science-Subjects --- NEED HELP!!!

2011-05-12 Thread mokurai
Thanks, Sascha. All of this goes into The Undiscoverable, and later into
Sugar documentation.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_Undiscoverable

On Thu, May 12, 2011 4:19 pm, Sascha Silbe wrote:
 Excerpts from Johanna Wener's message of Thu May 12 21:08:31 +0200 2011:

 The big problem I have is, that everything that the children do on the
 olpc
 could not be used for learning because there is no way to print their
 works
 out.

 I expect others to reply to the educational part of that sentence (i.e.
 is there a better way to reach your goals than consuming lots of energy,
 water and trees?).

 We tried to make a screenshot and send it by mail - doesnt work!

 What exactly have you tried and how did it fail?

 Walters brand-new Portfolio activity [1] has support for exporting
 selected, annotated Journal entries as HTML. You could save it to a USB
 stick, open the HTML file on a computer with an attached printer and
 print from within the browser.

 If you install CUPS on the system running Sugar (probably an XO judging
 from the subject), you can use a browser other than Browse to print
 locally. Or you can copy the Journal entry to the regular file system
 using copy-to-journal and print using the lpr command from within
 Terminal.

 A whole bunch of other options would combine the following:

 1. Acquiring a printable file:
a) take a screenshot by pressing Alt+1
b) some activities can export as PDF
c) some activities can export as HTML
d) some activities use a file format that can be read by non-Sugar
   applications (e.g. Write uses ODT, native file format of
   LibreOffice nee OpenOffice)
e) Write 73 can export to PDF, so you could try using the clipboard
   to import content into Write and export as PDF

 2. Transferring the file to Gnome or a different computer:
a) copy to a USB stick, SD card or USB hard disk using the Journal
b) using copy-from-journal from within Terminal to copy the Journal
   entry to the home directory (so Gnome can access it)
c) using datastore-fuse [3] to access the Journal entry from within
   Gnome (experimental - you might need help from a techie)
d) uploading the files to some web site (Moodle, wiki, photo
   gallery like Flickr, pastebin site, ...) and accessing that site
   from the computer with the printer.

 3. Printing from within Gnome or on a different computer running a
desktop system other than Sugar:
a) for PDF and ODT just opening the file and printing from within the
   PDF viewer resp. word processor should usually work well enough.
b) for HTML use a browser. You might need to tweak some options to
   get pretty output. I've seen browsers cutting a line of text in
   half; hopefully that's fixed by now.
c) Gimp is pretty good for printing images, though it could be a bit
   overwhelming.
d) CUPS understands several file formats natively (including images);
   just type lpr name_of_the_file.jpg (without the quotes).


 I'd love to tell you to download the Print activity [2] and print
 directly from within Sugar, but unfortunately I haven't managed to get
 it to work yet. However, the above options hopefully get you unblocked
 now; we can work on better solutions later.

 Sascha

 [1] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4437
 [2]
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2009-August/thread.html#18173
 [3] http://git.sugarlabs.org/datastore-fuse
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Re: [IAEP] OLPC in Science-Subjects --- NEED HELP!!!

2011-05-12 Thread mokurai
 the Journal
 b) using copy-from-journal from within Terminal to copy the Journal
entry to the home directory (so Gnome can access it)
 c) using datastore-fuse [3] to access the Journal entry from within
Gnome (experimental - you might need help from a techie)
 d) uploading the files to some web site (Moodle, wiki, photo
gallery like Flickr, pastebin site, ...) and accessing that site
from the computer with the printer.

 3. Printing from within Gnome or on a different computer running a
 desktop system other than Sugar:
 a) for PDF and ODT just opening the file and printing from within
 the
PDF viewer resp. word processor should usually work well enough.
 b) for HTML use a browser. You might need to tweak some options to
get pretty output. I've seen browsers cutting a line of text in
half; hopefully that's fixed by now.
 c) Gimp is pretty good for printing images, though it could be a bit
overwhelming.
 d) CUPS understands several file formats natively (including
 images);
just type lpr name_of_the_file.jpg (without the quotes).


 I'd love to tell you to download the Print activity [2] and print
 directly from within Sugar, but unfortunately I haven't managed to get
 it to work yet. However, the above options hopefully get you unblocked
 now; we can work on better solutions later.

 Sascha

 [1] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4437
 [2]
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2009-August/thread.html#18173
 [3] http://git.sugarlabs.org/datastore-fuse


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Re: [IAEP] OLPC in Science-Subjects --- NEED HELP!!!

2011-05-12 Thread mokurai
On Thu, May 12, 2011 3:08 pm, Johanna Wener wrote:
 Hello Everybody!

 I'm studying at the University of teacher education in graz in austria to
 become a teacher for primary school.

 For my final thesis I'm working in a class with olpcs to find out which
 programmes can be used in the subjects of science.

I would like to offer my help. My degree is in Mathematics  Philosophy,
including philosophy and history of science, and courses in Physics,
Biology, and Chemistry. Ich kann auch etwas Deutsch.

 I worked with FotoToon, Labyrinth, InfoSlicer and many more.

Calculator, Measure, Record, the Python and Smalltalk programming
languages, SocialCalc, Physics, Turtle Blocks...I particularly like
Measure for acoustics. You can set it to frequency domain and show the
overtones of any note on any musical instrument. The fundamental discovery
of Pythagoras was that harmonious intervals on a plucked string
corresponded to ratios of small integers. The octave is a ratio of 2 to 1,
and the fifth (C to G, for example) is a ratio of 3 to 2 in length (and 2
to 3 in frequency).

See Alan Kay's use of turtle graphics in Smalltalk to make a simulation of
constant acceleration, Record to capture a video of a falling object, and
Smalltalk or Scratch to select frames from the video at fixed intervals.
The results of the simulation and the video show the same pattern. I
expanded this in Turtle Art (now Turtle Blocks) to show the effect of
adding constant sideways motion, which gives parabolas, and added photos
of parabolic water fountains.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/0/0e/Gravity.odt

 The big problem I have is, that everything that the children do on the
 olpc
 could not be used for learning because there is no way to print their
 works
 out.

This turns out not to be the case. While printing is useful for making
public exhibitions, it is not required for sharing anything that you can
save in the Journal. The Collaboration feature allows students to share a
session and save a copy to their own Journals.

 We tried to make a screenshot and send it by mail - doesnt work!

The Undiscoverable
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_Undiscoverable

Screen capture

An important use case for the Keep button. How do we store just the image,
without the software state? Some Activities, including Turtle Art, have a
button for this purpose.

Alt + 1 captures the screen and stores a screenshot in the Journal.

See this discussion thread for techniques useful for special
situations when a time-delayed capture may be needed,
http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg17591.html

 And we have no chance to print out anything we worked on!



 Can anybody help us?



 Nice greets

 Johanna Wener



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Re: [IAEP] Free laptops all very well but ..

2011-05-12 Thread mokurai
On Wed, May 11, 2011 7:08 pm, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
 http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/free-laptops-all-very-well-but-how-best-to-use-them-in-testing-times-20110511-1eitv.html

 initiatives that focus primarily on the provision of computers are not
 successful because the computers aren't used to their full potential ...

 Putting computers in classrooms is a good first step. But it's the easiest
 step. If we genuinely want this technology to help students then we must
 look beyond the rhetoric of the computer companies and the politicians.

I'm with you so far.

 The federal government needs to start working with schools to map how
 computers can be successful in the complicated environments in which they
 have been placed.

No, emphatically no, neither in Australia, or the US, or anywhere else
except possibly Bhutan. The US Federal government hasn't a clue what real
education is. They cannot fund the research we need, because they have,
officially, no imagination in this area. Things were different in the
heyday of DARPA, but nobody gets to hand out money any more just because
somebody has an interesting idea. I cannot believe from external
indications that the Australian government has any more of a clue on this.

  We've got the equipment. Let's shift focus to the real
 stuff, learning, and how we can realistically take that to the next level.

Absolutely. But keep governments out of it until after we know what we are
trying to do. Maybe even then.

 For the sake of our students, the government must clarify the type of
 learning it wants to take place in our schools, and how computers can be
 used to support this. And please, let's not allow these decisions to be
 made without consulting schools, teachers and students.

You see, there is the contradiction. Let us consult with schools,
teachers, and students ourselves. This is the aim of the Sugar Labs 
Replacing Textbooks project, which aims to create Open Education Resources
(OER) taking advantage of computer capabilities. Not just PDFs of
dead-tree textbooks.

We no longer live in the age of students learning the same lesson from the
same government-approved book on the same day, and nothing else. We live
in an Age of Information, where we are awash in connections. And yet
schoolchildren are kept almost entirely out of it, for fear of pedophiles.

 We need their help
 to make it work. Australia is relying on it.

 Dr Joanne Orlando is a lecturer in education at the University of Western
 Sydney.

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