Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[James Cameron]

Thanks for the license review, Sebastian.

Please also remove

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/activities/4758/football-1.xo
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/activities/4759/kunfu-1.xo
http://download.sugarlabs.org/activities2/org.sugarlabs.Football_v1.xo
http://download.sugarlabs.org/activities2/org.sugarlabs.Football_1428059038.xo
http://download.sugarlabs.org/activities2/org.sugarlabs.Football_1426574005.xo

And after 24 hours, check mirror sites, e.g.

http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/sugarlabs/activities/4758/football-1.xo
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/sugarlabs/activities/4759/kunfu-1.xo
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/sugarlabs/activities2/org.sugarlabs.Football_v1.xo
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/sugarlabs/activities2/org.sugarlabs.Football_1428059038.xo
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/sugarlabs/activities2/org.sugarlabs.Football_1426574005.xo

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Sebastian Silva]

Dear James and Samson,

I have disabled distribution of both of the Activities in question from
ASLO, as they don't offer proper licenses or source code.

Please review our acceptable license
 policy.

In summary, an Activity needs to respect learner's freedom to:

0 - Use the program for any purpose
1 - To study how the program works and modify how it works
2 - Freedom to redistribute copies
3 - Freedom to redistribute modified copies

I encourage you to fix them and upload them again.

Thanks and regards,

Sebastian


On 14/06/17 17:54, James Cameron wrote:
> I've marked Kunfu as available in activities.sugarlabs.org, after Ben
> Olding confirmed he is author of Legend of the Dragon Fist and gave a
> license;
>
> "you may use the file, unmodified for free as you see fit as long as
> you are not directly selling it. i.e. bundling it on a laptop is fine,
> wrapping the game and selling as an app for $5 on the app store is
> not."
>
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4759/
>
> Samson, when you get time, please update the bundle to correctly
> attribute author and license, thanks.
>

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Samson Goddy]

On Jun 14, 2017 11:54 PM, "James Cameron"  wrote:

I've marked Kunfu as available in activities.sugarlabs.org, after Ben
Olding confirmed he is author of Legend of the Dragon Fist and gave a
license;

"you may use the file, unmodified for free as you see fit as long as
you are not directly selling it. i.e. bundling it on a laptop is fine,
wrapping the game and selling as an app for $5 on the app store is
not."

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4759/

Samson, when you get time, please update the bundle to correctly
attribute author and license, thanks.

Sure i will look at it this week. I am working on my visa application in
lagos.

Thanks for the research.


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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[James Cameron]

I've marked Kunfu as available in activities.sugarlabs.org, after Ben
Olding confirmed he is author of Legend of the Dragon Fist and gave a
license;

"you may use the file, unmodified for free as you see fit as long as
you are not directly selling it. i.e. bundling it on a laptop is fine,
wrapping the game and selling as an app for $5 on the app store is
not."

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4759/

Samson, when you get time, please update the bundle to correctly
attribute author and license, thanks.

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[James Cameron]

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 07:53:23PM +0100, Samson Goddy wrote:
> Please kind you note where and how i breached those rules?. Why are
> these questions targeted to me only? Why i see people and under
> softwares understand SFC are using facebook anf LinkedIn to promote
> their content.

Let me try to explain.

You are you.  You are not Sugar Labs.  But you will appear, in other
people's eyes, to be Sugar Labs during your trip.  For which,
congratulations, by the way.  So whether you want to or not, you will
appear to represent Sugar Labs.

Now Sugar Labs has an agreement with The Software Freedom Conservancy,
which I've just read through, and Sebastian signed it, and the
agreement requires that the project will be free software (2.b), and
defines free software not in terms of price but in terms of rights to
copy, modify, redistribute, and to improve (B).

Sugar Labs does not and should not promote things that are non-free.

So when you do speak, remember to make it clear to your listeners when
you are speaking on your own behalf or on behalf of Sugar Labs.

You will be two people.

As far as I can see, there's no problem with you-as-you mentioning the
non-free services you use, provided you are careful not to mention
them too much when you-as-sugar-labs are speaking.

I've faced the same problems myself, when speaking at conferences or
meetings.

I've faced the same problem while working for OLPC; how can you know
that this isn't OLPC talking?  Because I say it is me talking.

As for why you, why now; it's because of your trip, and because
Sebastian has made a written promise in that agreement.  It has to do
with long term responsibility and transparency.

Hope that helps.  Have fun!

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Samson Goddy]

On Jun 12, 2017 1:33 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez 
wrote:

> Sorry I did not reply before.
>
> It's a yes (+1) for me.
> Let's hope everyone votes now!
>

Yes!  This motion will pass (4 out of 7 votes is the bare minimum) with a
big thanks to all for staying engaged in support of Sugar Labs, until all
votes are counted, such that all sincerely held perspectives are respected,
one way or another!

Have a great trip Samson and let's hope the French govt cooperates in
understanding free/open learning from a truly global perspective~

Thanks, i am hoping too.


*PS plz let us know your favorite non-Facebook channels if poss, in
addition to your outreach work on FB?*

I will create a blog, then post on wiki if that will help.




Thanks,
> Ignacio
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Samson Goddy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To those members who haven't voted.. could you please come and vote.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks you Ignacio, Lionel & Laura if you can please vote Yes or No
>> immediately !!
>>
>> PS i (presume) this motion expires 3:28 PM NYC Time today, in 7+ hours
>> from now, i.e. exactly 1 week after it was seconded and voting began.
>>
>>
>>> It is very disappointing that this motion is still pending. I am to
>>> travel to lagos tomorrow and i really need to know what will happen to the
>>> motion.
>>>
>>> Samson G
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2017 11:30 AM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>>>
 On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:

 Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,

 Can you please try to vote yes or no


 Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!

 (As you we're elected to do, setting a tone for forward action — in
 whatever direction your conscience takes you — Thanks All!)


 today

 as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday
 latest, to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening
 ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks All for your consideration!*


 On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" 
 wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i
>>> didn't get the visa.
>>>
>>
>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails.  That
>> makes things very clear, thank you Samson.  Be it then resolved:
>>
>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in
>> Bordeaux, France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with
>> Scratch, Sugar Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his 
>> obtaining
>> a French visa, including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for 
>> as
>> many days as required.  Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to 
>> the
>> Software Freedom Conservancy.  It is understood that if the French
>> government very unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing
>> him from attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson
>> Goddy."
>>
>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
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> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be 
> the
> only way to get unstuck.
>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Samuel Greenfeld]

My experience with the SFC is that while they like to do license
enforcement, they are not platform purists.  If you look at the bottom of
sfconservancy.org they have their own social media accounts.


The ".fla" file at least in #4758 actually may be the source code in binary
format.  I do not have access to a copy of Shockwave to verify that.
But without knowing the license for the flash content (unless Samson knows
the source; the README is for a different .fla, and I cannot find it) it is
unclear if the bundle as a whole can be GPL v3 licensed.

I do not recall having an active ASLO account to check the other activity
in question.


On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Sebastian Silva 
wrote:

>
>
> On 13/06/17 12:50, Samson Goddy wrote:
>
> Your mentioning Facebook, iPhone, Windows, Flash, LinkedIn etc, do not fit
> with this agreement, so we would sincerely appreciate if you do not promote
> these entities while representing Sugar Labs.
>
> Could you explain more, because i dont understand. And also how did you
> think i might breach the agreement?
>
>
> While your promoting these entities does not breach the wording of the
> agreement, I believe it goes against the spirit of it. Please review
> information on GNU.org such as the following articles, to understand why
> such technologies are distributed in bad faith.
>
> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/keep-control-of-your-computing.html
> https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/proprietary-surveillance.html
> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html
>
> On the other hand, these Sugar Activities (by you) don't have proper
> sources available. This actually is a breach of the agreement, and they
> should have been removed:
>
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4759
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4758
>
> In accordance to the license file on those .xo bundles, I request that you
> share the source for the .swf Flash components embedded if you wrote them,
> otherwise please make sure they are removed from ASLO.
>
> Regards,
> Sebastian
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