Re: [IAEP] Printing in Uruguay (was Re: OLPC in Science-Subjects --- NEED HELP!!!)
If XO printing or mobile printing could be set up easily, I think there would be an activity or install by now. I am waiting for Google Cloud Print to open up more: http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/p/cloudprint.html http://code.google.com/apis/cloudprint/docs/overview.html Right now you can use their website and the Chrome browser to register printers on Windows machines, and use a JavaScript API to order an online PDF to be printed. -- Nick On Fri, May 13, 2011 11:40 pm, moku...@earthtreasury.org wrote: On Fri, May 13, 2011 2:30 am, nanon...@mediagala.com wrote: /moku...@earthtreasury.org wrote: It is straightforward to share Journal entries between XOs. although not over mesh networking. *..Printing is not necessary.* / I said also that printing was useful. Further comments below on your comments. It is possible to set up XOs to print, but it requires installing the CUPS printing package, and it means plugging into a USB printer for each job. What we want is a school server with a printer, and a robust way to use the wireless on the XOs to access it. Mesh networking is utterly unreliable in the classroom, so we have to fall back to regular WiFi and Jabber servers, or to a Web-based interface where one can upload a file or a Journal entry and schedule it for printing. There are a number of technical problems with this, which we need to put serious effort into fixing. We also have to work on the user interface. I will be happy to assist. Is anybody working on this in PLAN Ceibal? Step 1. Collect user requirements in the form of use cases * Who wants to print what, when, for what purposes? * Do lots of children want to print at the same time? * Is it acceptable to queue print jobs for later pickup? * Color or black white, or a mixture? * Documents from other sources, or Journal entries, or printing from activities? * What sizes? (Metric vs. US; letter vs oversize and undersize) * Should teachers schedule printing, or should students, or both? * How much printing can a school afford? * How will we manage permissions and privileges? * What else have you heard from teachers and students? * Which use case has highest priority? Step 2. Triage * Which use cases do we know how to support? * Which use cases are most important? * Who should decide what to do next? * What minimizes the current pain? Step 3. Implement first-cut solution * Who will do the work? * What oversight will there be? * How do we test the solution? * Did we solve the right initial problem? Step 4. * Lather, rinse, repeat I hope this helps. Who is willing to work on this problem? Mr. Mokurai: MAybe you are an expert in Education, and Xo, or SUgar development, or teaching children, I reject the title of expert. I know a little, but mostly I know how little I know. I am Project Manager of the Sugar Labs project to Replace Textbooks with Open Education Resources, not because I know how to do it, but because I am the only one who sees its importance as I do, and is willing to do the work, and to find out how. but I think that you don't KNow the reality of the XOs here in Uruguay, or somewhere that the teachers uses XO. My Spanish is bad, and I have not been to Uruguay, true. I am working on both of those problems. I know how I use my laptop and my two XOs, which does not include printing, unless an employer or a government agency insists. *Printing is not necessary* is a very good statement , I agree, but for the real people (not the theoretical children) is only a statement, that is almost impossible to apply now. It is like saying The peace is better than the war... is a very good phrase, we all agree, but with that phrase I can not solve the problems of the world. I have some ideas on peace, but they will take at least a generation to work out. I am counting on our millions of children to help out after they learn how to work with each other around the world. See The Evolution of Cooperation, by Robert Axelrod, for a theoretical outline of an approach. The real world exists, and* in the real world the teachers wants to print.*. that is a fact, and We can not change it. Maybe in 30 Years the mind of the Teachers will change, but not now. Yes, I am very clear on the difference between want to and need to. It was one of the main topics of my seminary training. MAybe in 30 Years this statement will be true, but now if you told a TEacher that you can't print is the same as saying _don't use the Xo's. You have a XIX century mind. The XO are made for XXII century minds only._.. A XV century, pre-Gutenberg, approach works quite well, actually. We need to adjust our thinking more than theirs. This is not my opinion, it's simply an observation of the real world that I see that here in Uruguay: _there are a lot of teachers that don't Use the XO_ because
[IAEP] Printing in Uruguay (was Re: OLPC in Science-Subjects --- NEED HELP!!!)
On Fri, May 13, 2011 2:30 am, nanon...@mediagala.com wrote: /moku...@earthtreasury.org wrote: It is straightforward to share Journal entries between XOs. although not over mesh networking. *..Printing is not necessary.* / I said also that printing was useful. Further comments below on your comments. It is possible to set up XOs to print, but it requires installing the CUPS printing package, and it means plugging into a USB printer for each job. What we want is a school server with a printer, and a robust way to use the wireless on the XOs to access it. Mesh networking is utterly unreliable in the classroom, so we have to fall back to regular WiFi and Jabber servers, or to a Web-based interface where one can upload a file or a Journal entry and schedule it for printing. There are a number of technical problems with this, which we need to put serious effort into fixing. We also have to work on the user interface. I will be happy to assist. Is anybody working on this in PLAN Ceibal? Step 1. Collect user requirements in the form of use cases * Who wants to print what, when, for what purposes? * Do lots of children want to print at the same time? * Is it acceptable to queue print jobs for later pickup? * Color or black white, or a mixture? * Documents from other sources, or Journal entries, or printing from activities? * What sizes? (Metric vs. US; letter vs oversize and undersize) * Should teachers schedule printing, or should students, or both? * How much printing can a school afford? * How will we manage permissions and privileges? * What else have you heard from teachers and students? * Which use case has highest priority? Step 2. Triage * Which use cases do we know how to support? * Which use cases are most important? * Who should decide what to do next? * What minimizes the current pain? Step 3. Implement first-cut solution * Who will do the work? * What oversight will there be? * How do we test the solution? * Did we solve the right initial problem? Step 4. * Lather, rinse, repeat I hope this helps. Who is willing to work on this problem? Mr. Mokurai: MAybe you are an expert in Education, and Xo, or SUgar development, or teaching children, I reject the title of expert. I know a little, but mostly I know how little I know. I am Project Manager of the Sugar Labs project to Replace Textbooks with Open Education Resources, not because I know how to do it, but because I am the only one who sees its importance as I do, and is willing to do the work, and to find out how. but I think that you don't KNow the reality of the XOs here in Uruguay, or somewhere that the teachers uses XO. My Spanish is bad, and I have not been to Uruguay, true. I am working on both of those problems. I know how I use my laptop and my two XOs, which does not include printing, unless an employer or a government agency insists. *Printing is not necessary* is a very good statement , I agree, but for the real people (not the theoretical children) is only a statement, that is almost impossible to apply now. It is like saying The peace is better than the war... is a very good phrase, we all agree, but with that phrase I can not solve the problems of the world. I have some ideas on peace, but they will take at least a generation to work out. I am counting on our millions of children to help out after they learn how to work with each other around the world. See The Evolution of Cooperation, by Robert Axelrod, for a theoretical outline of an approach. The real world exists, and* in the real world the teachers wants to print.*. that is a fact, and We can not change it. Maybe in 30 Years the mind of the Teachers will change, but not now. Yes, I am very clear on the difference between want to and need to. It was one of the main topics of my seminary training. MAybe in 30 Years this statement will be true, but now if you told a TEacher that you can't print is the same as saying _don't use the Xo's. You have a XIX century mind. The XO are made for XXII century minds only._.. A XV century, pre-Gutenberg, approach works quite well, actually. We need to adjust our thinking more than theirs. This is not my opinion, it's simply an observation of the real world that I see that here in Uruguay: _there are a lot of teachers that don't Use the XO_ because of lots of problems that it has (there are also other reasons that are non technical). One of those problems are the printing problem. As expected, until we get XOs into the full curriculum in the teachers' colleges. You said to share the Journal. Excuse me, Mr. Mokurai:_* *_Do you Know that the MEsh doesn't works? Yes, I do. You can share journal entries on USB flash drives, or over Jabber servers. Even if you can share something, The XOs hangs up, or loose the entire journal, and the children don't use the journal for important things, that's why the
