Re: DB2 queries without using MF.
Errr..ummm. the auditors probably won't let you...that is the reason why the MF world has the program that is *SECURITY* I could name ACF2 or Top Secret as they will sooner or later do the same thing. See I didn't mention the 4 letter word:) I am nor familiar with the security software in MVS, but please answer my question what I need to do that the auditors will let the software to run in PC? RCAF (I change the order of the bytes...:)) is a legend or human software? What I need to do in PC to make the MFNetDisk a secured software for MF users? your answer must start with 1...2...3... Thanks, Shai On 1/25/08, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 26, 2008, at 1:36 AM, shai hess wrote: Question, how are you going to handle security, especially if its RACF? Two options: 1. Query MVS RACF from PC before accessing the data. 2. Using MFNetDisk security which allow only specific IP to access the data (IPOK in my documentation). Security, Security and more Security. MFNetDisk mirrors and data is not going to be a site which everyone in the world can access, put virus and surf the Internet. I want to hear from all of you (please do not mention RACF again because this will force me to access MF) what you think about security in MFNetDisk data and mirrors. What is the best way to handle security better then allowed only specific PC to access the data. Thanks, Shai Errr..ummm. the auditors probably won't let you...that is the reason why the MF world has the program that is *SECURITY* I could name ACF2 or Top Secret as they will sooner or later do the same thing. See I didn't mention the 4 letter word:) Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DB2 queries without using MF.
Ed e.. u sounds like a strawman to me. There are many sites that move data from z/OS other platforms for further processing without causing the auditors to go into a green pen frenzy. Files are copied from z/OS to other platforms every day. Some of the disk vendors provide APIs that allow MF files to be read and written directly from UNIX or Windows - I know of several GB a day processed like that. This is no different to what Shai is proposing. Ron Errr..ummm. the auditors probably won't let you...that is the reason why the MF world has the program that is *SECURITY* I could name ACF2 or Top Secret as they will sooner or later do the same thing. See I didn't mention the 4 letter word:) Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: identify sas uage by component
Also I would like to add that if you choose SMFEXIT3 it will add a bit more information including the JOBID. Normally TSO JOBID's either start with T* or TSU*, and this would allow you to measure SAS TSO usage which you cannot do in 30-4 records because the entry point is IKJEFT01. It won't tell you 100% of the CPU time, but something like 99% or around there. Only thing missing are allocations and anything else outside of PROC and DATA steps. I'm fairly certain MXG has a collector for this one, USER or something like that. Lindy -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: 25. tammikuuta 2008 22:33 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: identify sas uage by component I have used this technique of SAS writting SMF data and then SAS Corp. was kind enough to provide me an xref table to make it tie back to the correct SAS Product. Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Question about find Sysout
Hello List, I have a process here, that START a Proc, and this Proc are resulted in error. I can look the Sysout, for try correct this, but, after the Job is cancelled, I can find the Sysout output, in the SDSF command, Is here : - 06.52.01 s csq6chin - 06.52.03 STC05927 $HASP373 CSQ6CHIN STARTED - 06.52.14 STC05927 +CSQX005E CSQXJST Channel initiator failed to - start - 06.52.14 STC05927 IEF404I CSQ6CHIN - ENDED - TIME=06.52.14 Looking at LOG command, the Sysout was Purged : +CSQX005E CSQXJST Channel initiator failed to start 0090 IEF404I CSQ6CHIN - ENDED - TIME=06.52.14 0281 $HASP395 CSQ6CHIN ENDED 0281 $HASP250 CSQ6CHIN PURGED -- (JOB KEY WAS C1DAFD34) But , Why ? I need do something in the Proc ? Of course, without Sysout, I can't correct thsi problem. May be a stupid mistake, but, if someone can help, I will be glad. Thanks very much Sergio Lima Costa System, Consultant Caixa Economica Federal Sao Paulo - Brazil - Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o único sem limite de espaço para armazenamento! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z/VM delivery over the Internet.
z/VM now can be ordered from IBM for delivery over the Internet, no more tapes or DVDs. Effective January 25, 2008, the z/VM base operating system and base options are available for Internet delivery for orders placed using ShopzSeries in countries where it is available. We know many of our customers have requested Internet delivery and IBM is pleased to offer it to you. Thank you for your continued interest in z/VM. Very interesting, I think. -- DJ V/Soft z/VM and mainframe Linux expertise, training, consulting, and software development www.vsoft-software.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/VM delivery over the Internet.
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:14:58 -0600, Dave Jones wrote: z/VM now can be ordered from IBM for delivery over the Internet, no more tapes or DVDs. Effective January 25, 2008, the z/VM base operating system and base options are available for Internet delivery for orders placed using ShopzSeries in countries where it is available. We know many of our customers have requested Internet delivery and IBM is pleased to offer it to you. Thank you for your continued interest in z/VM. Very interesting, I think. Indeed. Is service likewise available over Internet? Requirements? Format? Conventions? Citation? z/VM base? Does this mean a new customer with no previously running z/VM system can order z/VM delivery over Internet for installation on that pristine system? Thanks, gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question about find Sysout
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:56:04 -0300, Sergio Lima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, I have a process here, that START a Proc, and this Proc are resulted in error. I can look the Sysout, for try correct this, but, after the Job is cancelled, I can find the Sysout output, in the SDSF command, Is here : - 06.52.01 s csq6chin - 06.52.03 STC05927 $HASP373 CSQ6CHIN STARTED - 06.52.14 STC05927 +CSQX005E CSQXJST Channel initiator failed to - start - 06.52.14 STC05927 IEF404I CSQ6CHIN - ENDED - TIME=06.52.14 Looking at LOG command, the Sysout was Purged : +CSQX005E CSQXJST Channel initiator failed to start 0090 IEF404I CSQ6CHIN - ENDED - TIME=06.52.14 0281 $HASP395 CSQ6CHIN ENDED 0281 $HASP250 CSQ6CHIN PURGED -- (JOB KEY WAS C1DAFD34) But , Why ? I need do something in the Proc ? Of course, without Sysout, I can't correct thsi problem. May be a stupid mistake, but, if someone can help, I will be glad. Thanks very much Sergio Lima Costa System, Consultant Caixa Economica Federal Sao Paulo - Brazil - Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o único sem limite de espaço para armazenamento! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html What is happening here is that your default-assigned started task (STC) MSGCLASS is a JES purged class, so when the task is ENDED all output is purged automatically. And I expect that any SYSOUT DDs you have coded in your JCL jobstream / PROC specify SYSOUT=*. So, you have two choices depending on the started task situation: 1) if you can manually start the STC, add a MSGCLASS=?, where ? is a held- SYSOUT value, or 2) change any SYSOUT=* DDs in your JCL PROCs to specify a hardcoded held- SYSOUT value. Scott Barry SBBWorks, Inc. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DB2 queries without using MF.
On Jan 26, 2008, at 2:19 AM, shai hess wrote: Errr..ummm. the auditors probably won't let you...that is the reason why the MF world has the program that is *SECURITY* I could name ACF2 or Top Secret as they will sooner or later do the same thing. See I didn't mention the 4 letter word:) I am nor familiar with the security software in MVS, but please answer my question what I need to do that the auditors will let the software to run in PC? Its *ACCESSING* MF data for all they know you could be updating it or reading information that you(the user) are *NOT* supposed to access ... oh lets say SSN#, payroll information, account balances or accounts rec/pay the list goes on and on and on. There is *NO* record of the user accessing the data and no check to be able to see if the user is even allowed. Just because it comes from an IP address doesn't mean squat and besides PCs are kept in open areas where anyone can just walk up to it. If there is no sign on then there is no validation of what the user can do. MF security (I won't use the four letters you don't want to talk about ) is a *KNOWN* quantity and auditors trust it, this PC you are talking about has essentially zero security (not quite but close to). If you can get the OK from an auditor I sure wouldn't want to have my business(or personel) records anywhere near the company. One of the items that IBM can say honestly that there are never has been anyone to fool SNA or channel attached devices for malicious purposes. While the data going over SNA can be encrypted it can be encrypted as well by IP (on the sort of plus side I don't know anything about the encryption that the modems do so the IP may well be better encrypted than the SNA), I will leave it to modem encryption people to speak up here. There are also side issues. I also believe (but do not know for sure) that certain fields (specified by the user) in DB2 are encrypted. How are you going to handle those? I would also heed Timothy S.'s warning about the internals of DB2 data sets, if it breaks IBM will *NOT* help you as essentially the DB2 data set(s) is laid out with pointers and other fields that are used by IBM *INTERNALLY* only and they do not publicize the layouts. They don't have to either. Ed RCAF (I change the order of the bytes...:)) is a legend or human software? What I need to do in PC to make the MFNetDisk a secured software for MF users? your answer must start with 1...2...3... Thanks, Shai On 1/25/08, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 26, 2008, at 1:36 AM, shai hess wrote: Question, how are you going to handle security, especially if its RACF? Two options: 1. Query MVS RACF from PC before accessing the data. 2. Using MFNetDisk security which allow only specific IP to access the data (IPOK in my documentation). Security, Security and more Security. MFNetDisk mirrors and data is not going to be a site which everyone in the world can access, put virus and surf the Internet. I want to hear from all of you (please do not mention RACF again because this will force me to access MF) what you think about security in MFNetDisk data and mirrors. What is the best way to handle security better then allowed only specific PC to access the data. Thanks, Shai Errr..ummm. the auditors probably won't let you...that is the reason why the MF world has the program that is *SECURITY* I could name ACF2 or Top Secret as they will sooner or later do the same thing. See I didn't mention the 4 letter word:) Ed - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DB2 queries without using MF.
On Jan 26, 2008, at 4:08 AM, Ron Hawkins wrote: Ed e.. u sounds like a strawman to me. There are many sites that move data from z/OS other platforms for further processing without causing the auditors to go into a green pen frenzy. Files are copied from z/OS to other platforms every day. Some of the disk vendors provide APIs that allow MF files to be read and written directly from UNIX or Windows - I know of several GB a day processed like that. This is no different to what Shai is proposing. Ron - Yes there is data can be updated anytime it leaves the MS and then you are correct but as long as its on the MF data is secure and access is secure. Once the data leaves the MF then its up for grab if people are comfortable with that fine thats their responsibility I sure wouldn't trust it but that is me. If the auditor is I would question the auditors credentials. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fw: Sub-CEC Reports
In early DEC 2007 IBM announced that they would accept SCRT reports via email. You can submit in HOLD status, which requires that someone log in to the web site and finish the process, or you can submit it for real. By submitting the report in HOLD status the data is now at the IBM site, so anyone at your site with approval authority can see the numbers and click on the final submit button. Personally I think that this works out pretty well. /jack On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:42:27 -0600, Al Sherkow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There has been a 'request' in to IBM for some time related to this automation/oops/ no automation topic. The request is: allow sites to FTP or email the reports to IBM. IBM would then stage your reports for your comments as-if you had used the web interface. That is, they would get ready for you to review and comment on your reports, and not assume that they are ready for final processing. This avoids the issue of using the LMDS web application to upload your reports. It is fairly straight forward as this thread has shown to email or FTP out of your monthly batch job. If your company does not review/update/verify by the 9th of the month when the reports are due then IBM would process them. (This handles the oops case where your automation sends the reports, but no one at your company looks at it). I don't know the status of this request. If you don't send the report at all IBM is entitled by the TCs of your sub-capacity agreement to bill you for the installed MSUs of each machine. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DB2 queries without using MF.
HI, As I said before I worked in the past in a project which try to access DB2 data from open system. This project was taken many years ago. Successfully I was able to read DB2 records from the disk. Accessing the disk was done by using API from open system (Security or not that is my question). Some of the tables was compressed and I succeed to access the data using the dictionary in the DB2 VSAM files. Since that time I did not touch the internal of DB2 (many years ago). About the encryption/decryption, Yes maybe that is a problem (I need to check it) but even the ability to access DB2 tables which are not encrypted can be OK with some users. But what I talking about is not accessing DB2 ( I am not sure that I will do it because I do not know if people will use it and if they use it how many going to use it and the to check how much time I need to invest (cost money) in such a project). But I think that my question is about having MF data in PC (MFNetDisk) and security problem. If big companies allow user to access the MF data from open system using API == MFNetDisk software which have already the data in the PC (faster data access and cheaper). Someone in our forum mention that big disks companies (many of us using their disks) enable the users to access the disk data using API from open system, So where is the security problem... Thanks, Shai On 1/26/08, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 26, 2008, at 4:08 AM, Ron Hawkins wrote: Ed e.. u sounds like a strawman to me. There are many sites that move data from z/OS other platforms for further processing without causing the auditors to go into a green pen frenzy. Files are copied from z/OS to other platforms every day. Some of the disk vendors provide APIs that allow MF files to be read and written directly from UNIX or Windows - I know of several GB a day processed like that. This is no different to what Shai is proposing. Ron - Yes there is data can be updated anytime it leaves the MS and then you are correct but as long as its on the MF data is secure and access is secure. Once the data leaves the MF then its up for grab if people are comfortable with that fine thats their responsibility I sure wouldn't trust it but that is me. If the auditor is I would question the auditors credentials. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CICS Listener transaction exit
Mike You should take a look at this publication z/OS Communications Server IP CICS Socket Guide SC31-8807-03 Ward, Mike S [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 01/25/2008 04:56 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject CICS Listener transaction exit Hello all, Thannks all for all the input on the listener question I had. I have another. I have been looking in dfhsamp and sezainst for a Cobol Listener transaction user exit program. The one the listener calls when invoked. Is there any such animal? == This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html *** IMPORTANT NOTE* The opinions expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and not necessarily those of Brown Brothers Harriman Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates (BBH). There is no guarantee that this message is either private or confidential, and it may have been altered by unauthorized sources without your or our knowledge. Nothing in the message is capable or intended to create any legally binding obligations on either party and it is not intended to provide legal advice. BBH accepts no responsibility for loss or damage from its use, including damage from virus. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: its urgent plz help
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi! could u plz tell me how to creat JCL on unix server to execute on the mainframe server everyday...plz reply as soon as possible ...it urgent If you know what the JCL is supposed to look like you can just create a text file with the JCL in it. If it is setup an you are authorized, you can use ftp to ftp the JCL to z/OS (I am assuming z/OS here) with a filetype set to JES. Just use CRON to execute a script to do the ftp. However, I would suggest that you get the JCL setup on the z/OS side and use z/OS automation or scheduling packages to run the job. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/VM delivery over the Internet.
On Jan 26, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: -SNIP-- Indeed. Is service likewise available over Internet? Requirements? Format? Conventions? Citation? z/VM base? Does this mean a new customer with no previously running z/VM system can order z/VM delivery over Internet for installation on that pristine system? Thanks, gil Gil: Any idea on how they would do this on a bare metal box? (or for that matter DASD fresh from the factory?) Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Job ad for z/OS systems programmer trainee
Something interesting appeared in my Inbox yesterday. It's from the Royal Bank of Canada https://careers.peopleclick.com/careerscp/client_rbc/external/en-us/gateway.do?functionName=viewFromLinkjobPostId=217374localeCode=en-usemail=true -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/VM delivery over the Internet.
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:29:58 -0600, Ed Gould wrote: Indeed. Is service likewise available over Internet? Requirements? Format? Conventions? Citation? z/VM base? Does this mean a new customer with no previously running z/VM system can order z/VM delivery over Internet for installation on that pristine system? Any idea on how they would do this on a bare metal box? (or for that matter DASD fresh from the factory?) I hadn't said bare metal. I envisioned a shop running only z/OS and/or Linux for z/Series (TPF?) with a spare LPAR on which they want to install z/VM, even as I downloaded Linux from Debian and intalled it on my iBook with no local Linux system for support. Of course, the prospective customer needs Internet access, which doesn't come with bare metal. Download a DVD image to a desktop system, burn it, and install from HMC? I did find the reference the OP omitted (it's not on his Links page last updated in 2006): http://www.vm.ibm.com/buy/edelivery/ ... which offers little information until one signs a PO: 4. When you see the catalog list, select DDR and then select Internet ... The internet download can be performed using the instructions that are in the post-order email or by clicking on the Internet Download link on the order status page. ... but grouping with DDR suggests it's DDR unloaded format. Can VM DDR be restored to DASD using non-VM systems? Perhaps they supply a z/OS, Linux, or standalone restore program. Hmmm. DDR is a totally unrelated initialism in z/OS. I'm intrigued by the question of how a new z/Series installation gets started. Of course, this is relevant only if there are new z/Series installations, not dissuaded by their first glimpse of JCL. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question about find Sysout
Sergio, The output will be handled the way your JES2 parms are setup for STCs. What I would do is use the command S CSQ6CHIN,MSGCLASS= and then specify your held queue. I realise that the CHIN maybe started by another process, so you may have to see if the parent that starts the CHIN can start it with the MSGCLASS= parameter. Or you can start the CHIN manually (expecting issues) with the MSGCLASS just to check out the JCL. You can always start an STC without the parent process, just remember you may have other issues. But you will be able to see your JCL. Or you can just a TYPRUN=SCAN in a job card and execute the CSQ6CHIN in there. It will only allow the JCL to expand but you can see what may be incorrect. Lizette Hello List, I have a process here, that START a Proc, and this Proc are resulted in error. I can look the Sysout, for try correct this, but, after the Job is cancelled, I can find the Sysout output, in the SDSF command, Is here : - 06.52.01 s csq6chin - 06.52.03 STC05927 $HASP373 CSQ6CHIN STARTED - 06.52.14 STC05927 +CSQX005E CSQXJST Channel initiator failed to - start - 06.52.14 STC05927 IEF404I CSQ6CHIN - ENDED - TIME=06.52.14 Looking at LOG command, the Sysout was Purged : +CSQX005E CSQXJST Channel initiator failed to start 0090 IEF404I CSQ6CHIN - ENDED - TIME=06.52.14 0281 $HASP395 CSQ6CHIN ENDED 0281 $HASP250 CSQ6CHIN PURGED -- (JOB KEY WAS C1DAFD34) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question about find Sysout
On Jan 26, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Lizette Koehler wrote: Sergio, The output will be handled the way your JES2 parms are setup for STCs. What I would do is use the command S CSQ6CHIN,MSGCLASS= and then specify your held queue. I realise that the CHIN maybe started by another process, so you may have to see if the parent that starts the CHIN can start it with the MSGCLASS= parameter. Or you can start the CHIN manually (expecting issues) with the MSGCLASS just to check out the JCL. You can always start an STC without the parent process, just remember you may have other issues. But you will be able to see your JCL. Or you can just a TYPRUN=SCAN in a job card and execute the CSQ6CHIN in there. It will only allow the JCL to expand but you can see what may be incorrect. Lizette Liz: Usually when I run into this issue, I usually put a regular jobcard and then the exec afterwards with a typrun=scan on the jobcard it worked for me in almost every case I had. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/VM delivery over the Internet.
On Jan 26, 2008, at 7:26 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:29:58 -0600, Ed Gould wrote: Indeed. Is service likewise available over Internet? Requirements? Format? Conventions? Citation? z/VM base? Does this mean a new customer with no previously running z/VM system can order z/VM delivery over Internet for installation on that pristine system? Any idea on how they would do this on a bare metal box? (or for that matter DASD fresh from the factory?) I hadn't said bare metal. I envisioned a shop running only z/OS and/or Linux for z/Series (TPF?) with a spare LPAR on which they want to install z/VM, even as I downloaded Linux from Debian and intalled it on my iBook with no local Linux system for support. Of course, the prospective customer needs Internet access, which doesn't come with bare metal. Download a DVD image to a desktop system, burn it, and install from HMC? I did find the reference the OP omitted (it's not on his Links page last updated in 2006): http://www.vm.ibm.com/buy/edelivery/ ... which offers little information until one signs a PO: 4. When you see the catalog list, select DDR and then select Internet ... The internet download can be performed using the instructions that are in the post-order email or by clicking on the Internet Download link on the order status page. ... but grouping with DDR suggests it's DDR unloaded format. Can VM DDR be restored to DASD using non-VM systems? Perhaps they supply a z/OS, Linux, or standalone restore program. Hmmm. DDR is a totally unrelated initialism in z/OS. I'm intrigued by the question of how a new z/Series installation gets started. Of course, this is relevant only if there are new z/Series installations, not dissuaded by their first glimpse of JCL. -- gil Gil: Thanks for the clarification. I think I have heard of people on here doing a *LARGE* receive on here but to order an *ENTIRE* OS boggles my mind. I have not done a VM installation in 20++ years so I don't have any idea how big it would be. The last MVS order I saw was approximately 18 3480 tapes. I wouldn't think (but I am obviously wrong) that a checksum could be that large to hold the amount of data. I am somewhat curious as to how many tapes a Z/vm order is, anyone? Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
