Re: SMS compression cost size
Ron, Your example is an 'exception', it was decided to do it for that DS to gain the benefit. That's OK by me. It wasn't decided to COMP all VSAM/PS(FB/VB) DS that are over 5 CYL, which is the case I question. I've seen thousands of GDS, under 5 Cyl, being COMP'd, they quickly go to ML2, so they are not read many times. This doesn't make sense to me, if one is short on CPU. I should have said: I don't see why anyone would compress ALL DS under 500 Cyl these days, just to save space, when one is short on CPU. there is more to compression than just the size of the dataset. Amen. Rgds, Rez -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Re: Easytrieve..
Call CA Support. They will be able to help on that. You could also check support.ca.com in product documentation section. znor...@ca.com -Original Message- From: Ron Thomas [mailto:ron5...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 09:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Easytrieve.. Hello. I was asked to set up a FAQ's for easytrieve tool for our organization, can any one in the list have a one to share ? Regards Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Datahub Question
Good point on the rename. I have a fuzzy recollection of a problem when the server is Windows. In UNIX, a RENAME will delete the new name if it already exists. IIRC, Windows gives a name in use error. But I could be misremembering. Oh, and if you just decide to delete before renaming, then the delete will give a message if the file does not exist. And that causes the z/OS ftp step to get a non-zero return code. Which makes our production scheduling system regard it as having failed. Which causes a discussion during the production abend meeting in the morning. Which ... (you get the idea). -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Datahub Question
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 07:15:23 -0600, McKown, John wrote: Good point on the rename. I have a fuzzy recollection of a problem when the server is Windows. In UNIX, a RENAME will delete the new name if it already exists. IIRC, Windows gives a name in use error. But I could be misremembering. Oh, and if you just decide to delete before renaming, then the delete will give a message if the file does not exist. And that causes the z/OS ftp step to get a non-zero return code. Which makes our production scheduling system regard it as having failed. Which causes a discussion during the production abend meeting in the morning. Which ... (you get the idea). PUT junk target-name DELETE target-name RENAME temp-name target-name Sigh. But this leaves a window during which client C might observe target-name not to exist. UNIX rules! -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Adding/changing devices in HCD
We are running z/OS 1.7 on z10. Since migrating to the z10 I have been unable to add or change device information within HCD. In particular, panel CBDPDV30 does not seem to parse the data correctly. For example, the 4 character CU number is split across the first two fields of the Connected to CUs panel line. Does anyone know of a resolution to this or have a workaround to this problem? Steve Jones Wolverhampton CC -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 7:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation I wasn't picking on JES3 specifically or any one aspect of things. My point was just that when you are a product vendor you never know what darned environment your product is going to run in, and it can be *very* difficult shooting a problem that only happens on a customer machine *without* ticking off the customer. So I try to choose interfaces -- when they're not GUPI interfaces -- that in my imperfect judgment (guess?) will be least likely to cause unpleasant consequences at a customer site. I was just riffing on that general concept -- not making a real fine judgment -- when I mentioned the particular bits in question and JES3. As a smaller vendor you have a particular challenge. I imagine CA does regression testing on their JES3 box as a regular part of product release. SNIPPAGE When I worked at CA, I don't remember a JES3 system... I have worked with JES3 systems, even when I was the last of the ACS/WYLBUR developers. I just did not have to do internals, except for an exit that we had. And I rarely had to do anything with it, because we use the SSI interface to get spool for JES3. For JES2, I overhauled the JES2 SRB interface and became more familiar with JES2 internals than I ever wanted to be. The biggest headaches you have as an ISV are other ISVs (and sometimes home grown systems) that intercept OPEN, STOW, BLDL, VSAM (for caching), and the like, when you do serious I/O routines. Regards, Steve Thompson -- Opinions expressed by this poster may not reflect poster's employer's opinions -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Datahub Question
Paul Generally, one end of an FTP connection is called a server and the other is called a client. Please unconfuse me. I guess the confusion arises because any computer that doesn't sit on or under someone's desk can be called a server - and I can date this semantic distortion to an exchange I had about 12 years ago. I got very irritated - situation normal! - when the security folk started calling the RS/6000 machines which I used for teaching servers. I replied - probably much to their confusion - that there were no servers in the room!!! In fact these machines were in a classroom rather than in an office and that was probably the criterion used by these poor deluded folk rather than the presence of a desk. Chris Mason On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:20:16 -0600, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:38:42 -0600, McKown, John wrote: -Original Message- [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Donnelly, John P Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 2:58 PM We have a user who wishes to FTP a file from sending server A to neutral server B and independent of A and B, server C will logon to server B and read the file. Any suggestions as to how we might lock out server C until the FTP from server A to server B is complete? Generally, one end of an FTP connection is called a server and the other is called a client. Please unconfuse me. ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 3590-A50 ATL maximum concurrent I/O's per CU
Fred, While I cannot directly answer your question (specifically the concurrent part), my guess is that the issue behind the question is that you're not driving your 3590s at full speed due to ESCON channel limitations. We have a 3590-A50 with 4 3590-B11 transports behind it. It had a single 17 MB ESCON channel in front of it and our backups were running slow, with the ESCON channel maxed out during the entire backup. We added a second ESCON adapter to the A50 and our backup speed jumped dramatically, with both ESCON channels being pushed at times to full utilization. So even if they're not concurrent, the A50 can absorb more I/O than 2 ESCON channels can provide to it. HTH Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Fred Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: 3590-A50 ATL maximum concurrent I/O's per CU How many I/O's can a 3590-A50 control unit do *concurrently*? The 3590 Intro. and Planning Guide in section 1.2.2 says ... -- Model A50 provides a single data transfer path with one (FC3311) or two (FC3311 and FC3312) ESA/390 ESCON channel attachment adapters. -- But does this mean 1x I/O per CU total? Or 1x I/O per path to the CU, which would be 2x I/O's total for us? Regards, Fred Schmidt Data Centre Services, NT Government Australia -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
is there some GUI for the BMC Mainview SRM ?
Hi Forum team, I know the CA-Vantage SRM Windows Client, which is a GUI installed in the PC that is really a front-end of the z/OS CA-Vantage. But, I my new work, they are installing the competitor product, BMC Mainview SRM for the z/OS. The question: Is there some GUI or Windows Client for the BMC Mainview SRM similar to the CA-vantage SRM Win Client? Best regards, Enrique Montero -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: is there some GUI for the BMC Mainview SRM ?
BMC MainView SRM does indeed have a GUI interface. I can talk specifics offline if you wish. Mike Spencer BMC Software -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of MONTERO ROMERO, ENRIQUE ELOI Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: is there some GUI for the BMC Mainview SRM ? Hi Forum team, I know the CA-Vantage SRM Windows Client, which is a GUI installed in the PC that is really a front-end of the z/OS CA-Vantage. But, I my new work, they are installing the competitor product, BMC Mainview SRM for the z/OS. The question: Is there some GUI or Windows Client for the BMC Mainview SRM similar to the CA-vantage SRM Win Client? Best regards, Enrique Montero -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today
I know the specific macro that caused (or rather, obscured) my problem was IEFJFCBN, but there were at least two or three others with the same feature -- perhaps one was CVT. I had presumed you were talking about non-mapping macros. IEFJFCBN and CVT and many others simply default to LIST=NO which is what many coders desire. (and that is a default that could not compatibly be changed ). You can easily override that default. I know of no shipped mapping macro that doesn't let you get its fields listed. If there are any, maybe we could get those changed if they are brought to our attention. But I'm confused about what problem those LIST=NO macros obscure. No error messages are expected within those macros. One case I can come up with is if you had incorrectly included the macro twice, or had a variable (earlier in your module) of the same name so that there were duplicate names, and that was the error being produced. What error messages were obscured due to your (default) use of LIST=NO? Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
What is a Server? (Was FTP Datahub Question)
any computer that doesn't sit on or under someone's desk can be called a server No, no, no. It is not productive that the mainframe veterans have one definition for server and the rest of the world has a different one. Server is a computer science architectural term. It has nothing to do with the size or location of the box. An Intel chip could be a server and (in a given system) a z/OS mainframe could be a client. If you were going to design a system that involved two or more cooperating processes, you could design it as a big ol' free-for-all hodge-podge of this one does this and then that one does that (kind of like this list LOL). Or you could say for the purposes of this system, this process will make requests and that process will answer the requests. (It often works out well to have many requestors making requests of one answerer.) The requestor is called a client and the answerer is called a server, no matter how big or small it is and no matter where it sits. DB2 is a server. An IBM mainframe is often a server, or more correctly, hosts multiple server processes or subsystems. Yes, I know everyone is defensive because a fad usually referred to as client/server cost a lot of us our jobs about twenty years ago, but it's time to move on. Server is not the enemy; server is a wonderful part of computer system architecture. The IBM Dictionary of Computing (http://www-01.ibm.com/software/globalization/terminology/s.jsp#s18) defines Server as 1) A software program or a computer that provides services to other software programs or other computers... (Notice no mention of where it sits.) Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Mason Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: FTP Datahub Question Paul Generally, one end of an FTP connection is called a server and the other is called a client. Please unconfuse me. I guess the confusion arises because any computer that doesn't sit on or under someone's desk can be called a server - and I can date this semantic distortion to an exchange I had about 12 years ago. I got very irritated - situation normal! - when the security folk started calling the RS/6000 machines which I used for teaching servers. I replied - probably much to their confusion - that there were no servers in the room!!! In fact these machines were in a classroom rather than in an office and that was probably the criterion used by these poor deluded folk rather than the presence of a desk. .html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
What is FDBMSPLU
Does anyone on the list know what this is: +FDBRC1211I SYMPTOM DUMP OUTPUT FOR SUBTASK 8 FDBMSPLU +SYSTEM COMPLETION CODE=0C4 REASON CODE=0011 + TIME=09:30:53 SEQ=5,190 CPU= ASID=0066 + PSW AT TIME OF ERROR 078D1000 96438836 ILC 4 INTC 11 + ACTIVE LOAD MODULE ADDRESS=16438570 OFFSET=02C6 + NAME=CWDDCLUP + DATA AT PSW 16438830 - D00CBF17 021D9108 111447E0 + GPR 0-3 0004 7F8CA768 001A3248 1625EAA0 + GPR 4-7 1665F010 FFFC 1673FAEC 1671D552 + GPR 8-11 16439570 1672F6A0 1672F2C4 1643A570 + GPR 12-15 96438570 001A3248 001A34F4 0004 + END OF SYMPTOM DUMP George Rodriguez Specialist II - IT Solutions Application Support / Quality Assurance PX - 47652 (561) 357-7652 (office) (561) 707-3496 (mobile) School District of Palm Beach County 3348 Forest Hill Blvd. Room B-332 West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869 Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Five Consecutive Years -- --Palm Beach County Schools- Rated A by the Florida Department of Education 2005-2009 -Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School- ---http://www.palmbeachschools.org- The District of Palm Beach County is an Equal Education Opportunity Provider and Employer. Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
I have seen a version of Adventure written in Basic. I still have that somewhere at home. Just the listing, never got around to typing it in. Take my advice. I'm not using it. :-) TImOTHY Hillock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is FDBMSPLU
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:23:47 -0500 George Rodriguez rodrigu...@palmbeach.k12.fl.us wrote: :Does anyone on the list know what this is: A quite weird program that is doing ICM1,B'0111',PSATOLD+1 Perhaps it expects to get control in 24 bit mode and is using the top byte for a flag? :+FDBRC1211I SYMPTOM DUMP OUTPUT FOR SUBTASK 8 FDBMSPLU :+SYSTEM COMPLETION CODE=0C4 REASON CODE=0011 :+ TIME=09:30:53 SEQ=5,190 CPU= ASID=0066 :+ PSW AT TIME OF ERROR 078D1000 96438836 ILC 4 INTC 11 :+ ACTIVE LOAD MODULE ADDRESS=16438570 OFFSET=02C6 :+ NAME=CWDDCLUP :+ DATA AT PSW 16438830 - D00CBF17 021D9108 111447E0 :+ GPR 0-3 0004 7F8CA768 001A3248 1625EAA0 :+ GPR 4-7 1665F010 FFFC 1673FAEC 1671D552 :+ GPR 8-11 16439570 1672F6A0 1672F2C4 1643A570 :+ GPR 12-15 96438570 001A3248 001A34F4 0004 :+ END OF SYMPTOM DUMP -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is FDBMSPLU
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of George Rodriguez Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: What is FDBMSPLU Does anyone on the list know what this is: +FDBRC1211I SYMPTOM DUMP OUTPUT FOR SUBTASK 8 FDBMSPLU +SYSTEM COMPLETION CODE=0C4 REASON CODE=0011 Hi George, Looks like a Compuware module. In our shop, it lives in SYS3.COMPWARE.MKMP111.SKMPLOAD Hope this helps, BobL -- This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email communications. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 3590-A50 ATL maximum concurrent I/O's per CU
But no matter how many ESCON channels you put on a 3590-A50, you cannot run it at full speed. Eight ESCON channels cannot pump as much data through an A50 as one 2Gb FICON can, IMO. The speed increase I go going from ESCON to FICON on A50s was far more than I expected, particularly with smaller block sizes. Pommier, Rex R. rex.pomm...@cnasurety.com 2/24/2010 10:09 AM Fred, While I cannot directly answer your question (specifically the concurrent part), my guess is that the issue behind the question is that you're not driving your 3590s at full speed due to ESCON channel limitations. We have a 3590-A50 with 4 3590-B11 transports behind it. It had a single 17 MB ESCON channel in front of it and our backups were running slow, with the ESCON channel maxed out during the entire backup. We added a second ESCON adapter to the A50 and our backup speed jumped dramatically, with both ESCON channels being pushed at times to full utilization. So even if they're not concurrent, the A50 can absorb more I/O than 2 ESCON channels can provide to it. HTH Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Fred Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: 3590-A50 ATL maximum concurrent I/O's per CU How many I/O's can a 3590-A50 control unit do *concurrently*? The 3590 Intro. and Planning Guide in section 1.2.2 says ... -- Model A50 provides a single data transfer path with one (FC3311) or two (FC3311 and FC3312) ESA/390 ESCON channel attachment adapters. -- But does this mean 1x I/O per CU total? Or 1x I/O per path to the CU, which would be 2x I/O's total for us? Regards, Fred Schmidt Data Centre Services, NT Government Australia -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is a Server? (Was FTP Datahub Question)
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 07:25:59 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: any computer that doesn't sit on or under someone's desk can be called a server No, no, no. It is not productive that the mainframe veterans have one definition for server and the rest of the world has a different one. Server is a computer science architectural term. It has nothing to do with the size or location of the box. An Intel chip could be a server and (in a given system) a z/OS mainframe could be a client. Size doesn't matter? For example, consider X11, where the terms are widely misused. I have X11 clients on z/OS communicating with an X11 server on my laptop (with an Intel chip). For clarity, the OP in this thread should have made the distinction concerning FTP. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LPARs: More or Less?
In my previous summary of arguments thus far, I forgot to note this one: *Pro: *LPARs eliminate single points of failure. *Con:* XRC, PPRC-XD, FLASH/COPY, METRO/MIRROR, GLOBAL/ MIRROR, now provide recovery from instantaneous to anywhere around 4 hours and just effectively than LPARs, if not more, because offsite. Having LPARs for this purpose now just creates needless redundancy and expense. I came across the following from the horse's mouth itself: z/OS V1R9.0 Planning for Installation GA22-7504-17 z/OS*®* (program number 5694-A01). Some highlights of z/OS are: - The 64-bit z/Architecture™ implemented by z/OS eliminates bottlenecks associated with the lack of addressable memory. *64-bit real (central) storage support eliminates expanded storage, helps eliminate paging, and may allow you to consolidate** your current systems into fewer logical partitions (LPARs) or to a single native image.* I never considered storage fencing as a possible justification for LPARs, but maybe that is it? If so, then even that justification has now been eliminated with 64-bit central storage. It does fit the history of the evolution of operating systems. In the old MFT days, did not we have core and quite limited memory? Then that was replaced with integrated circuits which according to Moore's Law doubles every 2 years. And what happened? No more MFT, nor more partitions, but MVT, then SVS and MVS. So now that we have 64-bit addressable memory, does this presage the fading away again of partitioning, of LPARs and create an urge to merge? I am astounded and humbled at the depth and breadth of IT knowledge, intelligence, and thinking of the contributors in this trail; it is awesome. Thank you all very much. But, in Hans Christian Anderson's story, the tailors needed to be paid a lot of money because the fabric was very expensive. But, of course, only the very wise could see it. So in my sublime ignorance let me now also exclaim, The Emperor is naked. Where ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise (Thomas Gray) On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.comwrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:30:25 -0500, Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote: I don't know that I would say that running QA in a different LPAR than DEV is best practices, I certainly run them in the same LPAR here, and at nearly every site I have ever worked at. All PCI-compliant installations (a) Must have separate DEV/TEST/QA and PRODUCTION environments (b) Must have Separation of Duties for the two environments (c) Cannot give DEV/TEST access to PRODUCTION PANs And rather than micro-manage the ACLs, it is far simpler to create another LPAR. Having done it once, you replicate your success in order to separate QA from DEV/TEST. (QA really is a different environment than DEV/TEST, IMO.) My point is that the level of separation is, more often than not, dictated not by the capabilities of the OS, but by (1) regulatory considerations (2) in-house politics (appl owner, security, turf wars, ...) (3) system programmer convenience I certainly have no desire to spend time on VM if I don't need the functionality, I simply don't have the time. I have worked on VM before, and rather like it, but if the tool doesn't fit I have no desire to use it. That's the real nugget of Truth. Do what you need to do. Just do it with your eyes wide open and use the right tool for the job. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- George Henke (C) 845 401 5614 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is FDBMSPLU
Thanks, it does... I've already opened a ticket with Compuware for help. Thanks, George Rodriguez Specialist II - IT Solutions Application Support / Quality Assurance PX - 47652 (561) 357-7652 (office) (561) 707-3496 (mobile) School District of Palm Beach County 3348 Forest Hill Blvd. Room B-332 West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869 Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Five Consecutive Years -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lester, Bob Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What is FDBMSPLU -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of George Rodriguez Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: What is FDBMSPLU Does anyone on the list know what this is: +FDBRC1211I SYMPTOM DUMP OUTPUT FOR SUBTASK 8 FDBMSPLU +SYSTEM COMPLETION CODE=0C4 REASON CODE=0011 Hi George, Looks like a Compuware module. In our shop, it lives in SYS3.COMPWARE.MKMP111.SKMPLOAD Hope this helps, BobL -- This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email communications. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- --Palm Beach County Schools- Rated A by the Florida Department of Education 2005-2009 -Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School- ---http://www.palmbeachschools.org- The District of Palm Beach County is an Equal Education Opportunity Provider and Employer. Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Need tool to zap core
I have a need to zap core, but my client does not have OMEGAMON. I searched the CBT mods tape and came up empty. What we're trying to do is a SETPROG LPA,ADD, but of course, there's a vector table that needs to be updated with the address of the new module. This is not an SVC, so my only recourse to install this without an IPL is to zap core. Are there any freeware tools out there for zapping core? Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
Try CBT 149 (UCLA Utilities) or CBT179-181 (Leonard Woren). IIRC there is a program in (SUPERZAP?) that should do what you want... HTH, snip I have a need to zap core, but my client does not have OMEGAMON. I searched the CBT mods tape and came up empty. What we're trying to do is a SETPROG LPA,ADD, but of course, there's a vector table that needs to be updated with the address of the new module. This is not an SVC, so my only recourse to install this without an IPL is to zap core. Are there any freeware tools out there for zapping core? /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Paging Software
Hello All We would like to send pages and or e-mails (depending on job importance) automatically from Control-M when a job fails . We are using a REXX Exec SMTPNOTE currently to send e-mails, we are not running an SMTP started task. I was curious what sort of software all ya'll were using? Do you have something home grown? or purchased software? Please reply to my personal e-mail: lucy.arn...@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu Thanks in advance! Lucy Arnold Storage Manager U.C. Davis Medical Center 916-734-5498 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
Also try CBT082 and CBT086 snip Try CBT 149 (UCLA Utilities) or CBT179-181 (Leonard Woren). IIRC there is a program in (SUPERZAP?) that should do what you want... HTH, snip I have a need to zap core, but my client does not have OMEGAMON. I searched the CBT mods tape and came up empty. What we're trying to do is a SETPROG LPA,ADD, but of course, there's a vector table that needs to be updated with the address of the new module. This is not an SVC, so my only recourse to install this without an IPL is to zap core. Are there any freeware tools out there for zapping core? /snip /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
I have a need to zap core, but my client does not have OMEGAMON. I searched the CBT mods tape and came up empty. What we're trying to do is a SETPROG LPA,ADD, but of course, there's a vector table that needs to be updated with the address of the new module. This is not an SVC, so my only recourse to install this without an IPL is to zap core. Are there any freeware tools out there for zapping core? In a pinch I've written a short assembler language program to do that when I was dealing with common storage. Make it authorized. Switch to key zero. Verify the storage. Alter the storage. Switch back to user key. Exit. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMS compression cost size
Rez, Do you have a analysis of what Compression cost/dsn? Regards, Tobias Cafiero Data Resource Management Tel: (212) 855-1117 R Hey sys...@yahoo.com Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 02/24/2010 03:16 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: SMS compression cost size Ron, Your example is an 'exception', it was decided to do it for that DS to gain the benefit. That's OK by me. It wasn't decided to COMP all VSAM/PS(FB/VB) DS that are over 5 CYL, which is the case I question. I've seen thousands of GDS, under 5 Cyl, being COMP'd, they quickly go to ML2, so they are not read many times. This doesn't make sense to me, if one is short on CPU. I should have said: I don't see why anyone would compress ALL DS under 500 Cyl these days, just to save space, when one is short on CPU. there is more to compression than just the size of the dataset. Amen. Rgds, Rez -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html BR_ FONT size=2BR DTCC DISCLAIMER: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately and delete the email and any attachments from your system. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email./FONT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
Martin - surely you have missed out the last step : Make it authorized. Switch to key zero. Verify the storage. Alter the storage. Switch back to user key. Exit..er...IPL :-) Rob Scott Developer Rocket Software 275 Grove Street * Newton, MA 02466-2272 * USA Tel: +1.617.614.2305 Email: rsc...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Martin Kline Sent: 24 February 2010 16:43 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Need tool to zap core I have a need to zap core, but my client does not have OMEGAMON. I searched the CBT mods tape and came up empty. What we're trying to do is a SETPROG LPA,ADD, but of course, there's a vector table that needs to be updated with the address of the new module. This is not an SVC, so my only recourse to install this without an IPL is to zap core. Are there any freeware tools out there for zapping core? In a pinch I've written a short assembler language program to do that when I was dealing with common storage. Make it authorized. Switch to key zero. Verify the storage. Alter the storage. Switch back to user key. Exit. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Paging Software -- Mono-rail
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lucy Arnold Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Paging Software Hello All We would like to send pages and or e-mails (depending on job importance) automatically from Control-M when a job fails . We are using a REXX Exec SMTPNOTE currently to send e-mails, we are not running an SMTP started task. I was curious what sort of software all ya'll were using? Do you have something home grown? or purchased software? SNIPPAGE I was wondering, until I read this, what paging software they could be talking about. After all, z/OS, VSE, VM, etc. does paging for you... Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
I thought the TEST function of TSO could do this as well? Lizette Try CBT 149 (UCLA Utilities) or CBT179-181 (Leonard Woren). IIRC there is a program in (SUPERZAP?) that should do what you want... HTH, snip I have a need to zap core, but my client does not have OMEGAMON. I searched the CBT mods tape and came up empty. What we're trying to do is a SETPROG LPA,ADD, but of course, there's a vector table that needs to be updated with the address of the new module. This is not an SVC, so my only recourse to install this without an IPL is to zap core. Are there any freeware tools out there for zapping core? /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today
Okay, I said I would not clutter the list again with this but I will respond to your question. BTW, I am not asking for IBM to change anything other than a mindset that thinks a local unique feature (LIST=) that duplicates a well-known global feature (NOGEN) is a good thing. What error messages were obscured due to your (default) use of LIST=NO? Here is the whole story. The documentation (MVS Data Areas) for JFCB states Macro ID: IEFJFCBN DSECT Name: INFMJFCB (No DSECT generated). I understand now what that means but at the moment I interpreted it as the proper name for the DSECT is INFMJFCB but the macro does not generate the DSECT statement -- not an unreasonable interpretation IMHO. (The last part of that interpretation is correct but the first part is not.) So I coded INFMJFCB DSECT IEFJFCBN It turns out that there is a statement INFMJFCB EQU * or similar in the macro and so I got a duplicate symbol error. What's the big deal? you say. Any experienced assembler programmer should be able to figure that out. But that's only true if you have a clue where the error might be. Here's the situation I was in: a whole bunch of brand new code. First assembly, about fifty errors. Fix the obvious stuff, assemble again, down to about five errors. Fix the obvious stuff, now have an RC=8 but no error messages in the listing. H... It was only after a fair amount of thought that I decided that the most likely culprit was a diagnostic that was obscured by PRINT OFF. So I searched for PRINT OFF and sure enough, found them in about three or four of the IBM mapping macros? Now, what is the easiest way to resolve? Should I examine the source code in SYS1.MACLIB? Should I make private copies of the macros and comment out the PRINT OFFs? Should I look at HLASM doc to see if there is some sort of meta-PRINT option that disables PRINT OFF? At that point I decided to try SYSTERM and that was enough to find the problem. Big deal? No. Just an hour or so wasted on a totally gratuitously-created problem. You say many coders prefer it this way. I am going to go out on a limb and say that I doubt that IBM actually conducted a statistically significant survey. No one is printing this stuff on green-bar any more (I hope!). Most programmers don't pay for the JES spool space their assemblies use. I don't know how many lines of output my assemblies generate, but I know they run in the blink of an eye -- sometimes so fast that the submission and completion messages appear on my terminal without ISPF having a chance to re-display a panel, even though I hit enter immediately on the first message. Frankly, I wouldn't care if the IBM macros generated twice as much output. I find it a real pain in the tush to be looking at a dump and need the offset of some field, only to discover it is not in my saved listing, and I will have to interrupt my debugging train of thought to edit the source code -- which may be part of a frozen older release -- so that I can see the offsets in some DSECT. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Peter Relson Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:19 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today I know the specific macro that caused (or rather, obscured) my problem was IEFJFCBN, but there were at least two or three others with the same feature -- perhaps one was CVT. I had presumed you were talking about non-mapping macros. IEFJFCBN and CVT and many others simply default to LIST=NO which is what many coders desire. (and that is a default that could not compatibly be changed ). You can easily override that default. I know of no shipped mapping macro that doesn't let you get its fields listed. If there are any, maybe we could get those changed if they are brought to our attention. But I'm confused about what problem those LIST=NO macros obscure. No error messages are expected within those macros. One case I can come up with is if you had incorrectly included the macro twice, or had a variable (earlier in your module) of the same name so that there were duplicate names, and that was the error being produced. What error messages were obscured due to your (default) use of LIST=NO? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Best practice for 24-bit storage in assembler called from C/C++
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of john gilmore Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Best practice for 24-bit storage in assembler called from C/C++ Snipped The absence of this facility from C--Dennis Ritchie did not understand what controlled storage was for--is the reason for all the ugliness of multiple copies of writable static in C. OK, I'll bite. What is/was the intended purpose of controlled storage? I remember when I first was learning PL/1 (too many moons ago to count) being fascinated by it, but at that time I couldn't really see what the advantage(s) of controlled storage over based storage were. Than I had to move on to a non-PL/1 shop and I kind of lost track of it. TIA for curing my ignorance. Peter This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
Tom Conley of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 02/24/2010 10:21:07 AM: I have a need to zap core, but my client does not have OMEGAMON. I searched the CBT mods tape and came up empty. What we're trying to do is a SETPROG LPA,ADD, but of course, there's a vector table that needs to be updated with the address of the new module. This is not an SVC, so my only recourse to install this without an IPL is to zap core. Are there any freeware tools out there for zapping core? MXI can zap up to 8-bytes of common storage in batch mode. Regards, John K Function Alters up to eight bytes of common storage. This command can only be executed in BATCH. Command Syntax ZAP address VER(hex) REP(hex) Keywords address The address of the data that you wish to change. This address must reside within one of the following storage locations : CSA SQA R/W Nucleus Extended CSA Extended SQA Extended R/W Nucleus VER(hex) The existing hexadecimal contents at the specified address. REP(hex) The hexadecimal contents that are to be be used to replace the contents specified in VER(). Considerations 1. Use this command with utmost care. Incorrect or mistaken use will most likely cause a complete system outage. 2. The VER() keyword is always required. 3. The length of hexadecimal characters on the VER() and REP() keywords must be equal. 4. By default MXI will issue a WTOR asking for confirmation of the storage alteration. The operator must reply with a 'Y' before the storage contents are changed. 5. By default MXI is shipped with the all users denied access to the ZAP command and specific install actions are required to activate it. Example //ZAPEXEC PGM=MXI,PARM=BATCH //STEPLIB DD DISP=SHR,DSN=your.apf.loadlib //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSINDD * ZAP FDEF0 VER() REP(0001) /* -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:21:07 -0500 Pinnacle pinnc...@rochester.rr.com wrote: :I have a need to zap core, but my client does not have OMEGAMON. I searched :the CBT mods tape and came up empty. What we're trying to do is a SETPROG :LPA,ADD, but of course, there's a vector table that needs to be updated with :the address of the new module. This is not an SVC, so my only recourse to :install this without an IPL is to zap core. Are there any freeware tools :out there for zapping core? If you have access to the HMC you can use whatever the alter/display screens are called nowadays. -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
Martin - surely you have missed out the last step : Make it authorized. Switch to key zero. Verify the storage. Alter the storage. Switch back to user key. Exit..er...IPL Never resulted in an IPL with my own such code . :) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is a Server? (Was FTP Datahub Question)
Charles No, no, no ... I trust you read the whole of my post and noticed that I became irritated by this *misuse* of the word. It may have been more than irritated actually - tempered finally by my having to point out to these good security people that they had managed to get hold of some inappropriate terminology from somewhere[1] and that I was going to be cool enough to pay attention to their problem when they used appropriate descriptions for what they wanted to talk about. Chris Mason [1] Probably the sort of fancy, fashionable chit-chat that recently has managed to convert problem into issue - and so it goes on, sharp edges rounded in the cause of some sort of political correctness - drool, drool ... On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 07:25:59 -0800, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: any computer that doesn't sit on or under someone's desk can be called a server No, no, no. It is not productive that the mainframe veterans have one definition for server and the rest of the world has a different one. Server is a computer science architectural term. It has nothing to do with the size or location of the box. An Intel chip could be a server and (in a given system) a z/OS mainframe could be a client. If you were going to design a system that involved two or more cooperating processes, you could design it as a big ol' free-for-all hodge-podge of this one does this and then that one does that (kind of like this list LOL). Or you could say for the purposes of this system, this process will make requests and that process will answer the requests. (It often works out well to have many requestors making requests of one answerer.) The requestor is called a client and the answerer is called a server, no matter how big or small it is and no matter where it sits. DB2 is a server. An IBM mainframe is often a server, or more correctly, hosts multiple server processes or subsystems. Yes, I know everyone is defensive because a fad usually referred to as client/server cost a lot of us our jobs about twenty years ago, but it's time to move on. Server is not the enemy; server is a wonderful part of computer system architecture. The IBM Dictionary of Computing (http://www-01.ibm.com/software/globalization/terminology/s.jsp#s18) defines Server as 1) A software program or a computer that provides services to other software programs or other computers... (Notice no mention of where it sits.) Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Mason Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: FTP Datahub Question Paul Generally, one end of an FTP connection is called a server and the other is called a client. Please unconfuse me. I guess the confusion arises because any computer that doesn't sit on or under someone's desk can be called a server - and I can date this semantic distortion to an exchange I had about 12 years ago. I got very irritated - situation normal! - when the security folk started calling the RS/6000 machines which I used for teaching servers. I replied - probably much to their confusion - that there were no servers in the room!!! In fact these machines were in a classroom rather than in an office and that was probably the criterion used by these poor deluded folk rather than the presence of a desk. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today
On 24 February 2010 11:52, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: What's the big deal? you say. Any experienced assembler programmer should be able to figure that out. But that's only true if you have a clue where the error might be. Here's the situation I was in: a whole bunch of brand new code. First assembly, about fifty errors. Fix the obvious stuff, assemble again, down to about five errors. Fix the obvious stuff, now have an RC=8 but no error messages in the listing. H... It was only after a fair amount of thought that I decided that the most likely culprit was a diagnostic that was obscured by PRINT OFF. Perhaps we should be asking why PRINT OFF supresses error messages. Didn't used to be that way, when the messages were all at the end. So I searched for PRINT OFF and sure enough, found them in about three or four of the IBM mapping macros? Now, what is the easiest way to resolve? Should I examine the source code in SYS1.MACLIB? Should I make private copies of the macros and comment out the PRINT OFFs? Should I look at HLASM doc to see if there is some sort of meta-PRINT option that disables PRINT OFF? For the record, there is. It's PCONTROL(ON), and that will override any PRINT OFFs in the code. You can do the same for PRINT NOGEN and the others. Big deal? No. Just an hour or so wasted on a totally gratuitously-created problem. You say many coders prefer it this way. I am going to go out on a limb and say that I doubt that IBM actually conducted a statistically significant survey. No one is printing this stuff on green-bar any more (I hope!). Most programmers don't pay for the JES spool space their assemblies use. I don't know how many lines of output my assemblies generate, but I know they run in the blink of an eye -- sometimes so fast that the submission and completion messages appear on my terminal without ISPF having a chance to re-display a panel, even though I hit enter immediately on the first message. Frankly, I wouldn't care if the IBM macros generated twice as much output. I find it a real pain in the tush to be looking at a dump and need the offset of some field, only to discover it is not in my saved listing, and I will have to interrupt my debugging train of thought to edit the source code -- which may be part of a frozen older release -- so that I can see the offsets in some DSECT. No matter how fast your CPU, and capacious your disks, there is still an issue of readability. A listing cluttered with many thousands of lines of mapping expansions can be hard to follow, even if it's not wasting paper. I mostly like the JES2 approach of having one assembly, with PRINT ON, GEN, DATA that includes all the mapping macros. Then the real modules have PRINT OFF for easier reading. Doesn't solve the error message problem, though. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is a Server? (Was FTP Datahub Question)
Paul Size doesn't matter? For example, consider X11, where the terms are widely misused. I have X11 clients on z/OS communicating with an X11 server on my laptop (with an Intel chip). You don't get away with that one! X windows is the example of client- server that teachers use in order to be sure their students understand the concept - and has from the beginning of recorded time - and the reason is that it defies the size criterion which tends to apply in the case of PC- mainframe connections - but not always - as you indicate. For clarity, the OP in this thread should have made the distinction concerning FTP. Hear, hear! - Lurkers I'll confess I had to go to Wikipedia in order to be sure of anything more I might like to add here. In fact I just recommend that if anyone wants to acquaint themselves with the peculiarities of X windows, they read the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-windows from which, as proof of what Paul and I are on about, I quote the following sentence: quote X features network transparency: the machine where an application program (the client application) runs can differ from the user's local machine (the display server). /quote - Chris Mason On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:49:17 -0600, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 07:25:59 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: any computer that doesn't sit on or under someone's desk can be called a server No, no, no. It is not productive that the mainframe veterans have one definition for server and the rest of the world has a different one. Server is a computer science architectural term. It has nothing to do with the size or location of the box. An Intel chip could be a server and (in a given system) a z/OS mainframe could be a client. Size doesn't matter? For example, consider X11, where the terms are widely misused. I have X11 clients on z/OS communicating with an X11 server on my laptop (with an Intel chip). For clarity, the OP in this thread should have made the distinction concerning FTP. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Paging Software
We are using TelAlert (was from Telamon now I think it is MIR3). Software runs on a windows box. From the mainframe, I have some rexx code to do a TCP/IP socket call to the PC (REXEC basically). In the command stream is information on what group to page and the message to send. TelAlert then can call someone with voice prompts, text, page, or e-mail. When we had Netview, Netview would monitor the console and call the REXX code to issue alerts when things happened. When we got rid of Netview with ZACK, it would call the REXX code to issue alerts. Then I got rid of ZACK and now use ODDS, and it now calls the REXX exec. When jobs complete, we monitor the console. If a job matches a certain pattern we check its name against a table. The table tells us if someone should be paged or texted based on condition code. Also tells us if a highlighted WTO should be issued. Also tells us if a help ticket should be created. And then it does all that. The REXX execs to determine job status and issue TCP socket calls are home grown. The actual part that does the paging is commercial. Dennis -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lucy Arnold Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Paging Software Hello All We would like to send pages and or e-mails (depending on job importance) automatically from Control-M when a job fails . We are using a REXX Exec SMTPNOTE currently to send e-mails, we are not running an SMTP started task. I was curious what sort of software all ya'll were using? Do you have something home grown? or purchased software? Please reply to my personal e-mail: lucy.arn...@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu Thanks in advance! Lucy Arnold Storage Manager U.C. Davis Medical Center 916-734-5498 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
Tom IMMSMC: If it's a 360 Model 40, there are some nice tactile switches it's a pleasure to flip on the front of the machine. If it's a 360 Model 30 there are some tacky dials on the front of the machine. I'm afraid those were the only two models with *core* with which I ever got to play - and change data in storage! Chris Mason On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:21:07 -0500, Pinnacle pinnc...@rochester.rr.com wrote: I have a need to zap core, ... Are there any freeware tools out there for zapping core? Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Paging Software
Why not run the SMTP STC? It works. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lucy Arnold Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Paging Software Hello All We would like to send pages and or e-mails (depending on job importance) automatically from Control-M when a job fails . We are using a REXX Exec SMTPNOTE currently to send e-mails, we are not running an SMTP started task. I was curious what sort of software all ya'll were using? Do you have something home grown? or purchased software? Please reply to my personal e-mail: lucy.arn...@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu Thanks in advance! Lucy Arnold Storage Manager U.C. Davis Medical Center 916-734-5498 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is a Server?
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes: Yes, I know everyone is defensive because a fad usually referred to as client/server cost a lot of us our jobs about twenty years ago, but it's time to move on. Server is not the enemy; server is a wonderful part of computer system architecture. in the very early days of of SNA (master/slave humongous number of dumb terminal control infrastructure), my wife had co-authored peer-coupled network architecture (AWP39, for slight reference, AAPN was AWP164) ... which the SNA group appeared to find threatening. Later, when she was con'ed into going to POK to be in charge of loosely-coupled architecture ... and did peer-coupled shared data architecturee ... some past posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#shareddata she was having constant battles with SNA organization ... there would be sporadic temporary truces where she was allowed to use anything within the datacenter walls ... but SNA had to be used for anything crossing the machine room walls (also there was much more focus on tightly-coupled multiprocessor during the period ... so except for IMS hotstandby, her architecture didn't see much uptake until sysplex). When the PC was announced ... the communication groups use of terminal emulation contributed significantly to early updake of PCs (could get a PC for about the same price as 3270 terminal and in single desktop footprint get terminal emulation as well as some local computing capability, it was no brainer for businesses that already had 3270 terminal justification). During this period, communication group acquired quite a large terminal emulation install base ... but as PCs became more powerful ... there was more and more requirement for more sophisticated operation. Unfortunately the communication group was strongly defending their terminal emulation install base. In this period, we had come up with 3-tier architecture and were out pitching it to customer execs (and taking some amount of flak from the communication group), some amount of past posts mentioning 3-tier architecture http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#3tier The disk division was also trying to address the opportunity with several products that would allow mainframe to play major roles in distributed processing world ... however, as my wife had earlier encountered ... the communication group would escalate to corporate and roadblock the disk group efforts ... with the line that the communication owned anything that crossed the walls of the machine room. In the mean time, the terminal emulation paradigm was starting to represent an enormous stanglehold on the mainframe datacenter ... and data was starting to leak out to more user friently platforms. Disk division was starting to see it (data leaking out of the mainframe datacenter) creep up into (low) double digit loss per annum. some topic drift, misc. past posts getting to play disk engineer in bldgs 1415 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#disk At one point, a senior engineer from the disk division got a talk scheduled at the annual worldwide communication group conference. He started the talk out that the head of the communication group was going to be responsible for the demise of the disk division (because the stranglehold that the communication group had on the mainframe datacenter and cutting it off from being used in more powerful ways ... resulting in accelerating rate that data was leaking out of the datacenter to other platforms). misc. past posts mentioning terminal emulation http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#emulation this was major factor in disk division out funding other kinds of things ... circumventing the communcation group politics ... funding somebody else's product that would use mainframe disks in much more effective way ... side-stepped communcation group roadblocking announcements of disk division products. recent reference: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#69 LPARs: More or Less? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#71 LPARs: More or Less? a different trivial example was that the internal network was larger than the arpanet/internet from just about the beginning until possibly late 85 or early 86. a big explosion in the size of the internal network was in late 70s and early 80s with lots of vm/4341 machines. Going into the mid 80s, the customer mid-range market was moving to workstations and large PCS (this can be seen in big drop off in both 43xx sales as well as dec vax sales in the period). A big factor in the size of the internet overtaking the internal network ... was that workstations and PCs were appearing as network nodes (again because the increasing size and power of the machines) ... while on the internal network, such machines were still being restricted to terminal emulation. misc. past posts mentioning internal
Re: Consolidate Storage Groups
On 2010-02-23 at 21:25 concerning Re: Consolidate Storage Groups, Ted MacNeil eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote to IBM-Main : Naturally, we're not at production yet with its performance/placement considerations. What performance/placement considerations? With cache/fast DASD/FICON, what's left? That's the unknown at the moment. In the past, we have done specific volume placements to reduce/remove bottlenecks (mostly UCB queueing; no PAV here) but no analysis has been done in years. It might be that our newer hardware/software has eliminated any speciality needs in this regard. I'm just making sure I have a plan when someone pipes up with, hey, gotta move this [object] somewhere specific for valid reasons. ps. my plan without much detail : DB2 StoGroup, Guaranteed SC, quiesced volume(s) in same SG as normal. -- signature = 6 lines follows -- Neil Duffee, Joe SysProg, U d'Ottawa, Ottawa, Ont, Canada telephone:1 613 562 5800 x4585 fax:1 613 562 5161 mailto:NDuffee of uOttawa.ca http:/ /aix1.uottawa.ca/ ~nduffee How *do* you plan for something like that? Guardian Bob, Reboot For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. Systems Programming: Guilty, until proven innocent John Norgauer 2004 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Consolidate Storage Groups
Neel, ps. my plan without much detail : DB2 StoGroup, Guaranteed SC, quiesced volume(s) in same SG as normal. My experience with DB2 stogroup specifying real volsers and guaranteed space=yes was that all datasets allocated would go to the first volume until the allocation would exceed the high allocation threshold. You would be much better off leaving DB2 table spaces outside of SMS or have only an asterisk for the volser in the stogroup and let SMS scatter the datasets around for you. There would be no harm in hand placing the holy cow(s) and letting SMS handle the other 95%+ DB2 table spaces. Regards, John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
It's not free, but z/XDC will do the trick. Even more, it can also zap storage that's been made read only (such as the PLPA, read-only sections of the nucleus, and any other page that has been made read-only by the PGSER macro). If your client has z/XDC, then this would be an easy way to accomplish what you want. Dave Cole At 2/24/2010 11:21 AM, Pinnacle wrote: I have a need to zap core, but my client does not have OMEGAMON. I searched the CBT mods tape and came up empty. What we're trying to do is a SETPROG LPA,ADD, but of course, there's a vector table that needs to be updated with the address of the new module. This is not an SVC, so my only recourse to install this without an IPL is to zap core. Are there any freeware tools out there for zapping core? Regards, Tom Conley Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. chrisma...@belgacom.net (Chris Mason) writes: If it's a 360 Model 40, there are some nice tactile switches it's a pleasure to flip on the front of the machine. If it's a 360 Model 30 there are some tacky dials on the front of the machine. I'm afraid those were the only two models with *core* with which I ever got to play - and change data in storage! some front panels http://infolab.stanford.edu/pub/voy/museum/pictures/display/3-1.htm http://infolab.stanford.edu/pub/voy/museum/pictures/display/FAA9020.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IBM360-65-1.corestore.jpg http://ibmcollectables.com/gallery/FabriTek65/HPIM0775 http://ibmcollectables.com/gallery/FabriTek65/HPIM0769_001 http://ibmcollectables.com/gallery/FabriTek65/HPIM0771 I got to play a lot with both 360/30 and then a 360/67 (front panel of 65 67 were essentially the same). there was an incident with 370 before virtual memory was announced where some virtual memory documents leaked to the press. there was a watergate-like investigation ... and then they went around putting serial numbers on the underside of the glass in all corporate copy machines ... so all copied pages would carry the serial of the copy machine that the copy was made on. for Future System ... there was an idea to do softcopy DRM to minimize the leakage of documents. The vm370 development group did a extra secure version of vm370 that was used inside the corporation for future system documents (only be able to read them on 3270 display). One weekend, I had some dedicated machine time scheduled in the vm370 development group machine room ... and stopped by friday afternoon to make sure everything was prepared. they took me into the machine room ... and made some reference that even I if I was left alone in the machine room, I wouldn't be able to access the FS documents. It was just a little too much, i made sure the machine was disabled for all terminals for login ... and then did a one-byte patch to kernel memory ... and then everything was available (aka the one-byte was in the password checking routine ... so that regardless of what was typed in, it would be accepted as valid password). i made some reference to the only countermeasure (for somebody with physical access) is completely disabling all mechanisms for compromising the operation of the system. -- 42yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
On 24 February 2010 11:49, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote: I thought the TEST function of TSO could do this as well? No - not even TESTAUTH will zap protected storage. You can, however, write a tiny program (one instruction, perhaps) that then runs under TESTAUTH to do the dirty work. But this is really for those in a desperate production situation, or those running on a sandbox. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
If the customer has SYSPROG Services from BMC they can perform the ZAP. Mike Spencer BMC Software -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tony Harminc Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Need tool to zap core On 24 February 2010 11:49, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote: I thought the TEST function of TSO could do this as well? No - not even TESTAUTH will zap protected storage. You can, however, write a tiny program (one instruction, perhaps) that then runs under TESTAUTH to do the dirty work. But this is really for those in a desperate production situation, or those running on a sandbox. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:21:07 -0500, Pinnacle pinnc...@rochester.rr.com wrote: I have a need to zap core, but my client does not have OMEGAMON. I searched the CBT mods tape and came up empty. What we're trying to do is a SETPROG LPA,ADD, but of course, there's a vector table that needs to be updated with the address of the new module. This is not an SVC, so my only recourse to install this without an IPL is to zap core. Are there any freeware tools out there for zapping core? Regards, Tom Conley Can't you use a SLIP SA command with a REFAFTER ? Bruno Sugliani zxnetconsult(at)free(dot)fr -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Paging Software
Dave, We don't want to get a bunch of SPAM that fills up the spool Q. Lucy From: Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 02/24/2010 11:05 AM Subject:Re: Paging Software Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Why not run the SMTP STC? It works. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Paging Software
In a message dated 2/24/2010 3:07:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, lucy.arn...@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu writes: We don't want to get a bunch of SPAM that fills up the spool Q. Might look at Lionel's XMITP at _www.lbdsoftware.com_ (http://www.lbdsoftware.com) He's got instructions on how to run as UDP implementation to other server. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is a Server? (Was FTP Datahub Question)
On 24 Feb 2010 07:26:51 -0800, charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) wrote: No, no, no. It is not productive that the mainframe veterans have one definition for server and the rest of the world has a different one. Server is a computer science architectural term. It has nothing to do with the size or location of the box. An Intel chip could be a server and (in a given system) a z/OS mainframe could be a client. If you were going to design a system that involved two or more cooperating processes, you could design it as a big ol' free-for-all hodge-podge of this one does this and then that one does that (kind of like this list LOL). Or you could say for the purposes of this system, this process will make requests and that process will answer the requests. (It often works out well to have many requestors making requests of one answerer.) The requestor is called a client and the answerer is called a server, no matter how big or small it is and no matter where it sits. DB2 is a server. An IBM mainframe is often a server, or more correctly, hosts multiple server processes or subsystems. People think a computer has to be either a client or a server.But computers can and do more than one thing.It's like defining someone as a boss or as an employee. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is a Server? (Was FTP Datahub Question)
Kinda like Primary LU and Secondary LU in SNA lingo. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Howard Brazee howard.bra...@cusys.eduwrote: On 24 Feb 2010 07:26:51 -0800, charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) wrote: No, no, no. It is not productive that the mainframe veterans have one definition for server and the rest of the world has a different one. Server is a computer science architectural term. It has nothing to do with the size or location of the box. An Intel chip could be a server and (in a given system) a z/OS mainframe could be a client. If you were going to design a system that involved two or more cooperating processes, you could design it as a big ol' free-for-all hodge-podge of this one does this and then that one does that (kind of like this list LOL). Or you could say for the purposes of this system, this process will make requests and that process will answer the requests. (It often works out well to have many requestors making requests of one answerer.) The requestor is called a client and the answerer is called a server, no matter how big or small it is and no matter where it sits. DB2 is a server. An IBM mainframe is often a server, or more correctly, hosts multiple server processes or subsystems. People think a computer has to be either a client or a server.But computers can and do more than one thing.It's like defining someone as a boss or as an employee. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- George Henke (C) 845 401 5614 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Paging Software
You can easily block incoming e-mail. How to do it is in the ibm-main or ibmtcp-l archives. Tom Sipusic Lucy Arnold wrote: Dave, We don't want to get a bunch of SPAM that fills up the spool Q. Lucy From: Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 02/24/2010 11:05 AM Subject:Re: Paging Software Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Why not run the SMTP STC? It works. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University .edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
In listserv%201002221730189473.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 02/22/2010 at 05:30 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Would you be surprised if someone had an EMACS version? No. Would you be surprised if no one had an EMACS version? No. EMACS is a wonderful operating system; all that it's missing is a decent editor. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
In of9f900a3a.e257dd9e-on882576d3.00708cc7-882576d3.0071e...@kp.org, on 02/23/2010 at 12:44 PM, jack.hamil...@kp.org said: And I liked WYLBUR. My problem is that I like features in several different editors[1], including SuperWylbur©, but no single editor combines all of them. I prefer line oriented editors that can easily be scripted in Rexx. I also like the way Wylbur's associative ranges worked, e.g., CHANGE 'foo' to 'bar' in 3rd AFTER 'xyz'. [1] ISPF/PDF EDIT SuperWylbur© XEDIT -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today
In ofaee62f43.70af0c31-on852576d4.004a6e5c-852576d4.00542...@us.ibm.com, on 02/24/2010 at 10:19 AM, Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com said: I had presumed you were talking about non-mapping macros. IEFJFCBN and CVT and many others simply default to LIST=NO which is what many coders desire. (and that is a default that could not compatibly be changed ). What incompatibility would you cause if you changed OFF to NOGEN? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LPARs: More or Less?
In b53f38421002230756r50f66628r28ec6b31bfc9d...@mail.gmail.com, on 02/23/2010 at 10:56 AM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com said: Intelligent people can disagree and still be friends. But they don't misrepresent their friends' positions. but I do know we can do better than just LPARs for the sake of LPARs. I saw nobody advocating LPARs for the sake of LPARs. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LPARs: More or Less?
In m3ocjfgadq@garlic.com, on 02/23/2010 at 11:55 AM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com said: some 370s did have a sort of virtual memory (a little analogous to current LPARs) ... used for emulators The implementation of the DOS Emulator Feature on the 3145 involved an associative memory. I couldn't explain it in any way that didn't involve planned support for paging. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today
In 01bb01cab42e$08768200$196386...@org, on 02/22/2010 at 06:15 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said: Perhaps someone else has a better justification or a better resolution? Is there some reason to rule out the obvious justification: holding down the size of the assembly listing? Of course, that only applies to COPY code; for macros, they could have used PRINT NOGEN. I make it a habit to assemble my code with SYSTERM output. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Best practice for 24-bit storage in assembler called from C/C++
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005bde01...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 02/22/2010 at 12:15 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: There is a very old, very terrible technique that I used long ago. I mention it, but do not recommend it. From the currently executing TCB, find the job step TCB (JSTCB). Pick up the TCBFSA pointer from that TCB, which is a pointer to the first save area. Use the word at offset +0 to hold your pointer. Like may other clever mechanisms, it works fine when you are the only one to use it and becomes interesting as soon as two independent pieces of code use it. But it's not my dog. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Best practice for 24-bit storage in assembler called from C/C++
In 4b8389b7.9030...@gmail.com, on 02/23/2010 at 03:54 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said: You're fundamentally not reentrant if you use any kind of global data. Nonsense. You're reentrant as long as you ensure that concurrent access doesn't cause incorrect results. The simplest example is a routine that keeps a counter in CVTUSER and uses CS to serialize the access. There's plenty of code in z/OS that uses global data, although the serialization is typically more complicated, involving, e.g., ENQ, latches, PLO. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Best practice for 24-bit storage in assembler called from C/C++
In listserv%201002221028079631.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 02/22/2010 at 10:28 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Only if you're not authorized. When did that form of IDENTIFY start requiring APF authorization? I agree that the overhead might be higher with IDENTIFY. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Best practice for 24-bit storage in assembler called from C/C++
In 053f2631ec9c584883847c8b4970a22806287...@josqems1.jsq.bsg.ad.adp.com, on 02/24/2010 at 11:57 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com said: OK, I'll bite. What is/was the intended purpose of controlled storage? Stack. but at that time I couldn't really see what the advantage(s) of controlled storage over based storage were. It's like the advantage of a screwdriver over a hammer; they're designed for different tasks. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
In of7bc60fb2.c3c3be5d-on882576d3.005acd1b-882576d3.005ae...@kp.org, on 02/23/2010 at 08:33 AM, jack.hamil...@kp.org said: Remember that TICO moon-lander? TECO? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
In 4b831351.8030...@neo.tamu.edu, on 02/22/2010 at 05:29 PM, Richard Peurifoy r-peuri...@neo.tamu.edu said: I suspect he may have meant ORVYL, the interactive exuction companion to WYLBUR. We never ran it, so I don't know much about it. Did anyone use it other than Stanford? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Best practice for 24-bit storage in assembler called from C/C++
In 022901cab4a7$a821dc90$f86595...@org, on 02/23/2010 at 08:45 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said: FOO DXD F BAR DC Q(FOO) does that give me a fullword that will be task-unique at run time? No. But if in the same load module you do the above and Joe does MYFOO DXD A MYBAR DC Q(MYFOO) then BAR and MYVAR will have different contents. In really old PL/I compilers IBM put the Q-cons in the offset fields of instructions, limiting the PRV to 4096 bytes. Will GETMAIN ... LR2,BAR Point to unique storage pointer ST R1,0(,R2) Save my storage area for subsequent use do what the comments say it does? No. But if PRVREG points to srage allocated with a length from a CXD, then GETMAIN ... LR2,BAR Point to unique offset ST R1,0(PTVTRG,R2) Save my storage area for subsequent use will do what the comments say it does. However, Don's suggestion (CEEPDDA and CEEPLDA) is probably the best way to go. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
In m3fx4s3kja@garlic.com, on 02/22/2010 at 06:42 PM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com said: from the file ... The phrase WYLBUR/TSO confirms my suspicion that someone was very confused; the two are very different animals. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Best practice for 24-bit storage in assembler called from C/C++
In 00ab01cab3d9$9d328790$d79796...@org, on 02/22/2010 at 08:10 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said: IDENTIFY is an interesting idea. I would suspect lower overhead than name/token. But can you IDENTIFY an address in GETMAIN storage? Yes. have to be inside a real load module? No. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LPARs: More or Less?
In 1266942295.28704.243.ca...@chuck.duda.com, on 02/23/2010 at 11:24 AM, David Andrews d...@lists.duda.com said: One of you Old Ones (and I'm thinking of Shmuel in particular) correct me on this, but didn't bare MVT have a horrendous core fragmentation issue? VMS[1] had a horrendous core fragmentation issue; for MVT is was less severe. My poor recollection is that HASP initiators essentially reintroduced partitions to MVT to help beat that problem. No, But it did eliminate the need for multiple Reader and Writer regions. Also, the execution batch facility helped alleviate the problem. Prior to MFT II and HASP II, HASP also automated the control of partitions in MFT, but I'm not going to ask you to believe just how bad the facilities were; suffice it to say that the original MFT without HASP or ASP was a nightmare. [1] No connection to the DEC operating system for the VAX. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
In 9eaad8039236466f809085d1a7c40...@pinnacledesk1, on 02/24/2010 at 11:21 AM, Pinnacle pinnc...@rochester.rr.com said: I have a need to zap core, I might believe a need to zap storage. I searched the CBT mods tape and came up empty. Was the old COREZAP0 program ever updated to run on a current system? I've got a personal storage zap program, but I last used it on SVS and it would need a major overhaul for MVS, e.g., page fixing, serialization. Have you considered writing a short program that just updates your vector table? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Paging Software
cc'd offlist. In of5c873515.4db399b2-on882576d4.005b04cf-882576d4.005b8...@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu, on 02/24/2010 at 08:39 AM, Lucy Arnold lucy.arn...@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu said: we are not running an SMTP started task. There's a replacement for SMTP[1] on the current release of z/OS. I was curious what sort of software all ya'll were using? JES2MAIL. There are several vendors in that arena, plus free software on the CBT tape. [1] I wish that the had chosen a name distinct from the name of the protocol. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
In 5354659.126703019.javamail.r...@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net, on 02/24/2010 at 11:49 AM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com said: I thought the TEST function of TSO could do this as well? There's an authorized alias; I don't recall whether it's TESTAUTH or AUTHTEST. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer
In 4b80038c.1050...@gmail.com, on 02/20/2010 at 10:45 AM, Gabriel Tully gjtu...@gmail.com said: The days of the typical MVS administrator wearing a lab coat are over. No. They would have had tohaveto existed at some time in order to be over now. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
TESTAUTH. It's protected by a SAF profile. Mark Jacobs -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Wed 2/24/2010 5:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Need tool to zap core In 5354659.126703019.javamail.r...@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net, on 02/24/2010 at 11:49 AM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com said: I thought the TEST function of TSO could do this as well? There's an authorized alias; I don't recall whether it's TESTAUTH or AUTHTEST. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Best practice for 24-bit storage in assembler called from C/C++
snip--- OK, I'll bite. What is/was the intended purpose of controlled storage? I remember when I first was learning PL/1 (too many moons ago to count) being fascinated by it, but at that time I couldn't really see what the advantage(s) of controlled storage over based storage were. Than I had to move on to a non-PL/1 shop and I kind of lost track of it. --unsnip If you've ever done list processing, CONTROLLED storage is the cat's meow. Beats the Dickens out of trying to maintain arrays and array counters, especially if there's a chance of exceeding the size of the arrays. I once updated GETMAIN/FREEMAIN in OS/360 to keep all FQE's in ascending order by size, and merging adjacent free areas into a single larger area. (Re-invented the wheel there.) I've also used list processing and CONTROLLED storage in processing VTOC data. Makes sorting really easy, since all my insertions were made in collating sequence. Somewhere I've still got some nifty, but old, macros for list processing in Assembler. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
TIMEZONE Specification
We have TIMEZONE W.00.00.00 specified in our CLOCKxx PARMLIB members. System displays date/time as: 28 JAN 2010 11:10:44 + We wish this display to be: 28 JAN 2010 11:10:44 PST Will setting the TIMEZONE parameter as: TIMEZONE W.08.00.00 Produce the desired result? May we introduce singularly by LPAR without causing date/timestamp problems in a shared disk farm? Timestamps are a very great concern hereabouts... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Best practice for 24-bit storage in assembler called from C/C++
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:29:52 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: then BAR and MYVAR will have different contents. In really old PL/I compilers IBM put the Q-cons in the offset fields of instructions, limiting the PRV to 4096 bytes. That's why there's a 12-bit (IIRC) RLD! -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Best practice for 24-bit storage in assembler called from C/C++
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:55:22 -0600, Rick Fochtman wrote: If you've ever done list processing, CONTROLLED storage is the cat's meow. Beats the Dickens out of trying to maintain arrays and array counters, especially if there's a chance of exceeding the size of the arrays. ... How is CONTROLLED preferable to BASED? Certinly not if you need to delete arbitrary list elements, since (I just RTFM) CONTROLLED is strictly LIFO. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TSO reconnect (ikjefln2) reject by RACF
Matan why did IBM relased this function only from z/1.10 Make that Why did IBM released this function only from z/OS V1.11? Presumably you are comparing logging on from a 3270 device to TSO (z/OS) with logging on from a 3270 device to z/VM and that something that is so obviously useful in VM should at the same time have been implemented in TSO. I really can't answer that. Perhaps there's some z/OS developer reading this who can voice an opinion ... Chris Mason On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:14:41 +0200, Matan Cohen matancohen...@gmail.com wrote: thanks you all on your advices. why did IBM relased this function only from z/1.10 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
Probably TECO. That was a long time ago. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 02/24/2010 12:51 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure In of7bc60fb2.c3c3be5d-on882576d3.005acd1b-882576d3.005ae...@kp.org, on 02/23/2010 at 08:33 AM, jack.hamil...@kp.org said: Remember that TICO moon-lander? TECO? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
WYLBUR was used by Stanford and SLAC, and by some other academic institutions. There's a commercial version called SuperWylbur, http://www.superwylbur.com/, I think there was another commercial version called Interact from Online Business Systems, but Mr. Google is not being helpful on that. And there were rumors of a DOS or Windows versions, but I was never able to track it down. It was a good products with features I still miss. I think there was a version that offloaded some of the work to a 7171 controller. An article about the retirement of the mainframe it ran on: http://news.stanford.edu/news/2003/july9/mainframe-79.html. I was long gone by 2003, but knew most of the people mentioned in the article. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 02/24/2010 12:46 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure In 4b831351.8030...@neo.tamu.edu, on 02/22/2010 at 05:29 PM, Richard Peurifoy r-peuri...@neo.tamu.edu said: I suspect he may have meant ORVYL, the interactive exuction companion to WYLBUR. We never ran it, so I don't know much about it. Did anyone use it other than Stanford? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
From: David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 1:41:07 PM Subject: Re: Need tool to zap core It's not free, but z/XDC will do the trick. Even more, it can also zap storage that's been made read only (such as the PLPA, read-only sections of the nucleus, and any other page that has been made read-only by the PGSER macro). If your client has z/XDC, then this would be an easy way to accomplish what you want. Dave Cole --SNIP-- A LONG time ago we had a company (hazy to the name but it might be SEI) that had a memory zapper it was supposed to be used only in CICS regions but it grew to wide use by quite a few people. It was probably the single most reason why our system(s) crashed so often. We had a few experts that while dangerous were almost criminal (story ends there). A few years later when the company was just about to go out the door (thank god) some blankity blank programmer convinced management to keep it around. Though our system crashes were reduced they still occurred. We had a IBM PSR at the time and if found anything remotely pointing at the product he would refuse to work on the problem anymore (couldn't blame him really). Fast forward 2 years and one of the divisions hire a reasonably good assembler programmer. He got so good he was using the cross memory zapper everyday and low and behold the crashes increased but not as bad as before. I was really happy to get out of the place as the stand alone dumps were stacked higher than the top of my cobicle (not a true cubicle but close enough for my purpose. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
CEEOPTS DD error message - when I'm not even using it!
Hi List, We're testing an OS upgrade from 1.7 to 1.10. We are running IDMS and when the DBA or developers try to run some of their programs in the main database address space, they are getting language environment errors. The errors are not showing up in the z/OS log or job output from the database run, just IDMS' internal log. The errors are: 09:05 IDMS DC128010 V5 T43 CEE3792I The following messages pertain to the DD: CEEOPTS dataset run-time options. 09:05 IDMS DC128010 V5 T43 CEE3790I DD:CEEOPTS specifies an unsupported dataset type The problem is that we don't have a CEEOPTS DD card defined to the IDMS JCL. This same JCL works fine under 1.7 but throws the errors under 1.10. In researching the problem, I checked my SCEERUN library and I don't have the CEEDOPT module installed in either level, and I discovered that I don't have the CEE= parameter in IEASYSxx on either level so I've been running with IBM defaults on both levels of the OS. Any ideas as to why this error would be thrown when I don't even have a CEEOPTS DD card, and/or why the same JCL would work under 1.7 but not 1.10? Thanks - as always. Rex -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:44 PM, jack.hamil...@kp.org wrote: snip I think there was a version that offloaded some of the work to a 7171 controller. That's quite enough of THAT kind of talk. Some of us have permanent scars from those machines. :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
I had to call my dad to find out what was meant by core. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Pinnacle pinnc...@rochester.rr.comwrote: I have a need to zap core, but my client does not have OMEGAMON. I searched the CBT mods tape and came up empty. What we're trying to do is a SETPROG LPA,ADD, but of course, there's a vector table that needs to be updated with the address of the new module. This is not an SVC, so my only recourse to install this without an IPL is to zap core. Are there any freeware tools out there for zapping core? Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Glen J. Gasior (630) 712-2104 Chicago, Illinois 60611 Leadership that improves the process of change -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Need tool to zap core
glen.manages@gmail.com (Glen Gasior) writes: I had to call my dad to find out what was meant by core. what is old is new again: http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/02/24/2828135.htm 2010 International Conference On Nanoscience and Nanotechnology http://www.ausnano.net/iconn2010/ -- 42yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer
On 24 Feb 2010 14:53:28 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: In 4b80038c.1050...@gmail.com, on 02/20/2010 at 10:45 AM, Gabriel Tully gjtu...@gmail.com said: The days of the typical MVS administrator wearing a lab coat are over. No. They would have had tohaveto existed at some time in order to be over now. Does Barry Merrill wearing a lab coat covered with buttons at SHARE count? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
NY Metro NaSPA Chapter Meeting, Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, NYC
The next meeting of the NY Metro NaSPA Chapter will be on Tuesday, 2 March 2010 in room 1219 at the IBM Building at 590 Madison Avenue, New York City, from 10:00 AM until 4:30 PM. We have a full-day of great sessions planned, including: An Introduction to LDAP on z/OS, Jon Furminger, LDAP Development, IBM The Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) is one of the most popular protocols that an application can use for the storage and retrieval of information. Many clients have successfully deployed z/OS for networked applications. In this session, we cover: What is LDAP, an overview of the IBM Tivoli Directory Server (IBM TDS) for z/OS and its data stores, the authentication mechanisms supported by the IBM TDS for z/OS, how to store and access data in RACF including custom fields using LDAP, and how to use the IBM TDS to log changes made to RACF users, groups, connections, and resource profiles. Solving the Enterprise Systems Skill Problem, Angelo Corridori, Marist College Marist College has had a long and active relationship with IBM and mainframes since the mid 1980s, a collaboration which includes not only integrating the mainframe in the curriculum and management of the school, but also a large provider of System z education and certification, Marist College has developed an Enterprise Systems Certificate program to address the need for z/OS skills. This worldwide program is designed to educate personnel new to System z and z/OS as well as those with some experience. This session provides an overview of the existing and planned courses of study in the program and describes the course delivery, student feedback and assessment of the classes, student demographics, program costs, and an overview of enterprises that have used the program. We will also cover the z/OS Advisory Board, use of online class materials in the undergraduate curricula, and the Enterprise Computing Community National Science Foundation Grant if time permits. Migrating to z/OS V1R11, Marna Walle, IBM Want to know what you need to do to migrate your systems to the latest release of z/OS? This session covers planning for your z/OS 1.11 migration and several important z/OS migration actions that you will encounter. This session is of interest to System Programmers and their managers who are migrating to z/OS 1.11 from either z/OS 1.9 or z/OS 1.10. Pre-registration is requested and recommended as it simplifies getting into the building and helps us get the room set up correctly. Please RSVP to mar...@us.ibm.com as soon as is possible if you are thinking of attending. The meeting is open to non-NaSPA members and is free. Please pass this invitation on to your colleagues! Thanks!!! - Mark Mark Nelson, z/OS Security Server (RACF) Design and Development, Poughkeepsie, NY -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LPARs: More or Less?
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:50:02 -0500, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote: I never considered storage fencing as a possible justification for LPARs, but maybe that is it? If so, then even that justification has now been eliminated with 64-bit central storage. George, you keep looking at the speeds feeds to determine whether or not multiple partitions are necessary. It isn't technology that drives that decision. (see my prior post) Then that was replaced with integrated circuits which according to Moore's Law doubles every 2 years. And what happened? No more MFT, nor more partitions, but MVT, then SVS and MVS. IThe more memory you put on the box, the more memory gets used to hold the description of all that memory (metadata). The more demand for memory you put on the box, the more often the OS has to touch metadata and the more of it has to be touched. There are mitigating technologies, but even so there is a point of diminishing returns on memory size. It gets simpler and cheaper to just say create another instance of the OS and split your workload. So now that we have 64-bit addressable memory, does this presage the fading away again of partitioning, of LPARs and create an urge to merge? Same answer. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
