Hiperbatch on ZOS 1.10

2010-08-24 Thread Sarel Swanepoel
Thanks Ron.

Do you perhaps have a link to updated documentation for this seems
difficult to find any. 

 

Kind Regards,


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South African Revenue Services

 




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Sarel,

Absolutely yes.

I still think it is a shame that IBM have not enhanced Hiperbatch to
work
with Extended Format datasets.

Note that Hiperbatch works for BSAM and VSAM, as well as QSAM.

Ron



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 Hi, will it still be worthwile to conduct an exercise to use
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Re: EBCDIC-ASCII translation and vendor products

2010-08-24 Thread Timothy Sipples
DB2 is a heavy Unicode Services (UCS) user. For example, beginning with DB2
8, the parser operates in Unicode. DB2 certainly isn't the only UCS user,
by any means.

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Re: Hiperbatch on ZOS 1.10

2010-08-24 Thread Ron Hawkins
Sarel,

I believe this is the latest version.

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/iea5j700/CONTENTS
?SHELF=EZ2ZBK0KDT=19990208095033#FRONT_2

It's still in the MVS bookshelf, third from the top after Batch LSR.
Document title is MVS Hiperbatch Guide.

Ron

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 Thanks Ron.
 
 Do you perhaps have a link to updated documentation for this seems
 difficult to find any.
 
 
 
 Kind Regards,
 
 
 Sarel Swanepoel
 Infrastructure Hosting Services: Capacity Management
 
 South African Revenue Services
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Subject: Re: Hiperbatch on ZOS 1.10
 
 Sarel,
 
 Absolutely yes.
 
 I still think it is a shame that IBM have not enhanced Hiperbatch to
 work
 with Extended Format datasets.
 
 Note that Hiperbatch works for BSAM and VSAM, as well as QSAM.
 
 Ron
 
 
 
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  Hi, will it still be worthwile to conduct an exercise to use
 Hiperbatch
  for large sequential processing of datasets (QSAM)?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Kind Regards,
 
 
  Sarel Swanepoel
  Infrastructure Hosting Services: Capacity Management
 
  South African Revenue Services
 
 
 
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Re: Announcement/FCS dates for IOCP and MVSCP

2010-08-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In listserv%201008201054137834.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 08/20/2010
   at 10:54 AM, Joe D'Alessandro joseph.d'alessan...@fiserv.com
said:

I recall MVSCP coming into usage with MVS/SP 2.2.0 .

That sound about right. Thanks.
 
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3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Lizette Koehler
I just went through the archives looking for generic information on 3270
emulators.  There is a lot but no specific to my requirements.


So here goes.

 

What are - say - the top 5 emulators everyone uses out there.

 

I have in my list so far

 

Hummingbird

Bluezone

HOD (Host on Demand - IBM) - an I am not sure what other software is
required to run this (Websphere or other?)

!Extra

Pcomm

Rumba

 

 

However, I was wondering if there were others.

 

My requirements are support (well supported), cost, encryption and usage
across a wide platform (z/OS, Linux, Windows, etc.).  And it has to be
deployed via Citrix.

 

I am not sure what anyone else is using out there for this type of software.
I love Vista3270 but I am not sure that my company will even look at it.

 

Is there a preference out there or is it just a random acquisition - kinda
like I like the pink one?

 

Or does someone have an evaluation analysis write up on this type of
software that they would be willing to share?

 

I am not usually in the front in the RFP but this time I am and it would
help me to know what to look for when selecting a 3270 emulator.

 

Thanks

 

 

Lizette

 


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Re: Anybody used SDSF / REXX in HTTPD CGI pgm?

2010-08-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In listserv%201008191847300157.1...@bama.ua.edu, on 08/19/2010
   at 06:47 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:

This works if the CGI program if written in any language other than
Rexx;

No; it only works in two situations

 * The source code starts with a shebang
 * The path designates a bound object file

In either case you must mark the file as executable, e.g., mode 557.

Rexx is the misfit.

REXX is not the only language for which shebang is invalid syntax.
 
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Re: Assembler Entry and Exit module

2010-08-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 002d01cb42cf$384d88e0$a8e89a...@org, on 08/23/2010
   at 10:26 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:

Not sure that I understand the question but perhaps the answer is
that unlike machines you may have used in the past, standard OS
architecture and linkage does not use a stack,

It's unlikely that he has worked on a stack machine; AFAIK, the only
ones still on the market are the Unisys boxen descended from the
B6500. He may have encountered conventions for using a particular
register as a stack pointer, but that is just another arbitrary
software convention of the type he was asking about.
 
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Re: Assembler Entry and Exit module

2010-08-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In blu0-smtp1480c2e4f6169b7c0c0cebaa0...@phx.gbl, on 08/24/2010
   at 07:47 PM, Ram Study rambal...@chennairocks.in said:

Can anyone explain me why we are using Entry and Exit conventions in
Mainframe assembler.

Because the vendor documented them. Because it helps to promote
interoperability.

Say for example below is the conventions I got from net and its
working fine.

FSVO fine; it won't work if the code has to be refreshable.
 
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3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Lizette Koehler
I just went through the archives looking for generic information on 3270
emulators.  There is a lot but no specific to my requirements.

So here goes.

What are – say - the top 5 emulators everyone uses out there.

I have in my list so far

Hummingbird
Bluezone
HOD (Host on Demand – IBM) – an I am not sure what other software is
required to run this (Websphere or other?)
!Extra
Pcomm
Rumba


However, I was wondering if there were others.

My requirements are support (well supported), cost, encryption and usage
across a wide platform (z/OS, Linux, Windows, etc…).  And it has to be
deployed via Citrix.

I am not sure what anyone else is using out there for this type of
software.  I love Vista3270 but I am not sure that my company will even look
at it.

Is there a preference out there or is it just a random acquisition – kinda
like I like the pink one?

Or does someone have an evaluation analysis write up on this type of
software that they would be willing to share?

I am not usually in the front in the RFP but this time I am and it would
help me to know what to look for when selecting a 3270 emulator.

Thanks


Lizette

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Re: z10 temperature logging

2010-08-24 Thread Jim Elliott, IBM
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:29:48 -0400, Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote:

Does anyone know if there is any place where z10 CEC temperatures are
logged?  The data is now available on the SAD in real time, but is it logged
anywhere?

IBM Systems Director Active Energy Manager for Linux on System z will log
this. I don't believe there is any way to log this without a Linux guest
under z/VM or a Linux LPAR.

http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/software/director/aem/

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Re: EBCDIC-ASCII translation and vendor products

2010-08-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 00d101cb42b2$08a0d100$19e273...@org, on 08/23/2010
   at 06:57 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:

most favorably disposed to a product that

Uses standard system services instead of rolling its own.

- used z/OS Unicode Services and gave you the ability in the vendor
products parameter files to specify the from and to CCSIDs; 

Definitely the best approach.

Are people generally content with Unicode Services?

Or at least consider it to be good enough?
 
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Re: z196 sysplex question

2010-08-24 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2010-08-23 23:04, Rick Fochtman pisze:

---snip-



Obviously this is my humble opinion, but even IBMers used to admit
that there are very few customers who need more than two (TWO!) CPCs
- of

course having in mind full sized ones, fully dedicated for z/OS.

So, what your are saying is that just because we can't use it today,
we never will?

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth.

I'm just trying to understand, with the growth of today, why you'd be
such a luddite and say NEVER!



-unsnip---

I submit that nobody in their right mind will admit that only two CPCs
is enough.
Timothy Sipples on this forum. Actually he wrtoe some article and the 
mentioned the article here.
BTW: Read carefully. is enough is not the same as is enough for vast 
majority.


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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2010-08-24 12:42, Lizette Koehler pisze:

I just went through the archives looking for generic information on 3270
emulators.  There is a lot but no specific to my requirements.


So here goes.



What are - say - the top 5 emulators everyone uses out there.



I have in my list so far


My list:
1. PCOMM
2. Nexus - very fast, very small, very little resources consuming.
3. x3270 - free
4. nothing
5. nothing

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podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchway XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 
2008r., oraz uchway XVI NWZ z dnia 27 padziernika 2008r., moe ulec 
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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Martinez, Frank J
We use two:  PowerTerm by Ericom Software and QWS (QuickWorkStation Secure) by 
Jolly Giant Software


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Subject: Re: 3270 Emulator Software

W dniu 2010-08-24 12:42, Lizette Koehler pisze:
 I just went through the archives looking for generic information on 3270
 emulators.  There is a lot but no specific to my requirements.


 So here goes.



 What are - say - the top 5 emulators everyone uses out there.



 I have in my list so far

My list:
1. PCOMM
2. Nexus - very fast, very small, very little resources consuming.
3. x3270 - free
4. nothing
5. nothing

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Lodz, Poland


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NIP: 526-021-50-88
Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci 
wpacony) wynosi 118.763.528 zotych. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego 
podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchway XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 
2008r., oraz uchway XVI NWZ z dnia 27 padziernika 2008r., moe ulec 
podwyszeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym 
BRE Banku SA bd w caoci opacone.

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Re: Assembler Entry and Exit module

2010-08-24 Thread Charles Mills
Um, don't the descendants of the 8086 -- you know, those pesky PCs -- have a
stack implemented in hardware?

Charles

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Subject: Re: Assembler Entry and Exit module

In 002d01cb42cf$384d88e0$a8e89a...@org, on 08/23/2010
   at 10:26 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:

Not sure that I understand the question but perhaps the answer is
that unlike machines you may have used in the past, standard OS
architecture and linkage does not use a stack,

It's unlikely that he has worked on a stack machine; AFAIK, the only
ones still on the market are the Unisys boxen descended from the
B6500. He may have encountered conventions for using a particular
register as a stack pointer, but that is just another arbitrary
software convention of the type he was asking about.

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Who is TCBJSTCB

2010-08-24 Thread Micheal Butz

Hi,

Just for clarafication in EXEC PGM=MICHEAL.   TCBJSTCB. is not the  
initiator but MICHEAL


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Re: Assembler Entry and Exit module

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Sylvester

On 08/24/2010 01:23 PM, Charles Mills wrote:

Um, don't the descendants of the 8086 -- you know, those pesky PCs -- have a
stack implemented in hardware?
   

And there also you have entry/exit conventions. At least two,
see  cdecl ou stdcall. Who does the push/pop, caller or subroutine.

Any program (even IPL) is called in some environment. There
are some rules to obey in order to have a correct communication
behaviour.

The example given contains some of several conventions
concerning:

- register save areas (or stack)
  one may save registers or not, and one may
  provide a save area for called programs (subroutines)
  or not, obtained dynamically or not.

- parameters
  register 1 pointing to thingies, or 0, or ...

- code base register,
  using balr x,0 is one way, often one knows that
  R15 has the entry point,
  some compilers use R14 as base register
  and use at the same time  balr 14,15 to
  call subroutines.

- preparing return
  one has to undo what has been done at entry

- return code, or parameters.
  this depends on what the routine is supposed to
  return.

- return address:
  often in r14 at entry, but one may also SVC 3
  sometimes, even ABEND, XCTL. depends
  on the caller requirements.

All depends whether one works in its own environments

some environments like subsystems, jes2 etc
require specific code for which often macros
are provided.

I know at least one kind of subsystem that do not
use saveareas in the usual way, but has a stack which
is obtained at main level used for parameters and
savefareas, allowing to call a certain number of subroutines.
how often does one really use recursive subroutines?
Quicksort can be easily done without in real
environments for example. Doing this with getmain/freemain
would be a little slow.

Often, entry/exit conventions are hidden in
macros, named like PROLOG/EPILOG or $ENTRY/$EXIT
$PROC/PROC$, and there are macros like CALL etc
that hide the calling side.

Peter Sylvester

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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Nuttall
HI Lizette,

You might want to check if any of your apps are using EHLLAPI (Screen 
scraping) or HLLAPI , so you can make sure the new emulator software 
supports that (I suspect most do, but you never know  ).

Extra is in use here, deployed over citrix  

Kind regards,
Peter 
 



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I just went through the archives looking for generic information on 3270
emulators.  There is a lot but no specific to my requirements.


So here goes.

 

What are - say - the top 5 emulators everyone uses out there.

 

I have in my list so far

 

Hummingbird

Bluezone

HOD (Host on Demand - IBM) - an I am not sure what other software is
required to run this (Websphere or other?)

!Extra

Pcomm

Rumba

 

 

However, I was wondering if there were others.

 

My requirements are support (well supported), cost, encryption and usage
across a wide platform (z/OS, Linux, Windows, etc.).  And it has to be
deployed via Citrix.

 

I am not sure what anyone else is using out there for this type of 
software.
I love Vista3270 but I am not sure that my company will even look at it.

 

Is there a preference out there or is it just a random acquisition - kinda
like I like the pink one?

 

Or does someone have an evaluation analysis write up on this type of
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Re: Assembler Entry and Exit module

2010-08-24 Thread McKown, John
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 Um, don't the descendants of the 8086 -- you know, those 
 pesky PCs -- have a
 stack implemented in hardware?
 
 Charles

There are not truly stack based as Shmuel was talking about. True stack 
based machines don't have general purpose registers. Instructions, such as 
ADD, take their operands from a stack and leave their results on the stack.

PCs (x86) do have a dedicated register, SP, which is used by software for stack 
operations, which are basically PUSH, POP, CALL, and RETURN. The z has 
something similar, really. It's called the linkage-stack. It is used by BAKR, 
PC, PT, EREG[G], ESTA, ... . And, of course, it is superior to the PC's because 
you can't overflow the stack. On a PC, this overwrites memory. On the z, it 
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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Michael Saraco
Over the years and doing consulting work for several different companies 
my favorite is TN3270 Plus by http://www.sdisw.com/. It is cheap works 
great and with Citrix I have never seen it deployed  with Citrix. I 
connect using Citrix to 2 different clients then use TN3270 for my 
emulation.

Another emulator is Passport.


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From:   Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com
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I just went through the archives looking for generic information on 3270
emulators.  There is a lot but no specific to my requirements.

So here goes.

What are – say - the top 5 emulators everyone uses out there.

I have in my list so far

Hummingbird
Bluezone
HOD (Host on Demand – IBM) – an I am not sure what other software is
required to run this (Websphere or other?)
!Extra
Pcomm
Rumba


However, I was wondering if there were others.

My requirements are support (well supported), cost, encryption and usage
across a wide platform (z/OS, Linux, Windows, etc…).  And it has to be
deployed via Citrix.

I am not sure what anyone else is using out there for this type of
software.  I love Vista3270 but I am not sure that my company will even 
look
at it.

Is there a preference out there or is it just a random acquisition – kinda
like I like the pink one?

Or does someone have an evaluation analysis write up on this type of
software that they would be willing to share?

I am not usually in the front in the RFP but this time I am and it would
help me to know what to look for when selecting a 3270 emulator.

Thanks


Lizette

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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Itschak Mugzach
I have z/Scope installed on my laptop. Be aware of the supported certificate
types. Not all of the emulators supports all types of certificates,
especially ARMs.

ITschak

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Michael Saraco 
michael.sar...@baer-consulting.com wrote:

 Over the years and doing consulting work for several different companies
 my favorite is TN3270 Plus by http://www.sdisw.com/. It is cheap works
 great and with Citrix I have never seen it deployed  with Citrix. I
 connect using Citrix to 2 different clients then use TN3270 for my
 emulation.

 Another emulator is Passport.


 Michael Saraco
 Systems Consultant
 303-838-3374  x115
 Cell 507-525-0530



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 I just went through the archives looking for generic information on 3270
 emulators.  There is a lot but no specific to my requirements.

 So here goes.

 What are – say - the top 5 emulators everyone uses out there.

 I have in my list so far

 Hummingbird
 Bluezone
 HOD (Host on Demand – IBM) – an I am not sure what other software is
 required to run this (Websphere or other?)
 !Extra
 Pcomm
 Rumba


 However, I was wondering if there were others.

 My requirements are support (well supported), cost, encryption and usage
 across a wide platform (z/OS, Linux, Windows, etc…).  And it has to be
 deployed via Citrix.

 I am not sure what anyone else is using out there for this type of
 software.  I love Vista3270 but I am not sure that my company will even
 look
 at it.

 Is there a preference out there or is it just a random acquisition – kinda
 like I like the pink one?

 Or does someone have an evaluation analysis write up on this type of
 software that they would be willing to share?

 I am not usually in the front in the RFP but this time I am and it would
 help me to know what to look for when selecting a 3270 emulator.

 Thanks


 Lizette

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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Thompson, Steve
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SNIPPAGE

However, I was wondering if there were others.

My requirements are support (well supported), cost, encryption and usage
across a wide platform (z/OS, Linux, Windows, etc...).  And it has to be
deployed via Citrix.

I am not sure what anyone else is using out there for this type of
software.  I love Vista3270 but I am not sure that my company will even look
at it.

SNIPPAGE

I personally use QWS3270 Plus. There is also a secure version (does SSL as I 
recall). I have run it on Linux using Wine (not the secure, as I don't have 
that variant).

It is well supported, and as far as I am concerned, the price is good (QWS3270 
Plus is less than US$30 single seat the last time I priced it).

I am not a Citrix user, so I have no idea about how QWS will interface with it 
(we have Citrix here, I am just fortunate to only need a normal VPN).

The biggest kicker that I have come across in evaluating 3270 software: 

Scripting language and how it is supported. If you already have a system 
written using one language, will it easily port to another 3270 emulation 
system?

The next one, which is much more important to me is, can I map my keyboard 
(whether it is a keyboard or a laptop keyboard wannabe) to behave as much as 
possible to a real 3270 keyboard, including all the programmable keys (PF and 
PA)? Since I am a touch typist, this is a critical thing to me. Don't make me 
use a mouse to get PF3 or PA2 or some such.

Regards,
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Re: Assembler Entry and Exit module

2010-08-24 Thread Charles Mills
 True stack based machines don't have general purpose registers

Fair enough. Remember Forth?

 it is superior to the PC's because you can't overflow the stack. On a
PC, this overwrites memory

Of course we all know the Z is superior to all other types of hardware, real
or even conceived. :-) But I do recall that the 8086+ family has an SS
register that normally points to the end (lower memory extremity) of the
stack. The SP grows toward 0 has I recall and causes a program exception
when that boundary is crossed.

Charles

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 Um, don't the descendants of the 8086 -- you know, those 
 pesky PCs -- have a
 stack implemented in hardware?
 
 Charles

There are not truly stack based as Shmuel was talking about. True stack
based machines don't have general purpose registers. Instructions, such as
ADD, take their operands from a stack and leave their results on the stack.

PCs (x86) do have a dedicated register, SP, which is used by software for
stack operations, which are basically PUSH, POP, CALL, and RETURN. The z has
something similar, really. It's called the linkage-stack. It is used by
BAKR, PC, PT, EREG[G], ESTA, ... . And, of course, it is superior to the
PC's because you can't overflow the stack. On a PC, this overwrites
memory. On the z, it causes a program exception.

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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread George.William
Strange, no one seems to have mentioned what I believe is one of the BEST and 
I've heard others state such too.
Hmmm.
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Subject: 3270 Emulator Software

I just went through the archives looking for generic information on 3270
emulators.  There is a lot but no specific to my requirements.

So here goes.

What are - say - the top 5 emulators everyone uses out there.

I have in my list so far

Hummingbird
Bluezone
HOD (Host on Demand - IBM) - an I am not sure what other software is
required to run this (Websphere or other?)
!Extra
Pcomm
Rumba


However, I was wondering if there were others.

My requirements are support (well supported), cost, encryption and usage
across a wide platform (z/OS, Linux, Windows, etc...).  And it has to be
deployed via Citrix.

I am not sure what anyone else is using out there for this type of
software.  I love Vista3270 but I am not sure that my company will even look
at it.

Is there a preference out there or is it just a random acquisition - kinda
like I like the pink one?

Or does someone have an evaluation analysis write up on this type of
software that they would be willing to share?

I am not usually in the front in the RFP but this time I am and it would
help me to know what to look for when selecting a 3270 emulator.

Thanks


Lizette

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Re: Assembler Entry and Exit module

2010-08-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Um, don't the descendants of the 8086 -- you know, those pesky PCs -- have a 
stack implemented in hardware?

Don't DEC machines have them also?

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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Ward, Mike S
I believe IBM has PCOMM, and there is another vendor called ERICOM they
have a pretty good tn3270 client. We use OpenText Host Explorer. It used
to be HummingBird.

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I just went through the archives looking for generic information on 3270
emulators.  There is a lot but no specific to my requirements.


So here goes.

 

What are - say - the top 5 emulators everyone uses out there.

 

I have in my list so far

 

Hummingbird

Bluezone

HOD (Host on Demand - IBM) - an I am not sure what other software is
required to run this (Websphere or other?)

!Extra

Pcomm

Rumba

 

 

However, I was wondering if there were others.

 

My requirements are support (well supported), cost, encryption and usage
across a wide platform (z/OS, Linux, Windows, etc.).  And it has to be
deployed via Citrix.

 

I am not sure what anyone else is using out there for this type of
software.
I love Vista3270 but I am not sure that my company will even look at it.

 

Is there a preference out there or is it just a random acquisition -
kinda
like I like the pink one?

 

Or does someone have an evaluation analysis write up on this type of
software that they would be willing to share?

 

I am not usually in the front in the RFP but this time I am and it would
help me to know what to look for when selecting a 3270 emulator.

 

Thanks

 

 

Lizette

 


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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Grinsell, Don
Lizette,

We just went through a TN3270 RFP and chose Bluezone as a replacement for 
Attachmate.  We deploy via traditional thick client, thin client, served 
desktop and Citrix.  If you want more information on our selection criteria, 
contact me offline and I'll send you the technical requirements section of the 
RFP.

Regards,

Don

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I just went through the archives looking for generic information on 3270 
emulators.  There is a lot but no specific to my requirements.


So here goes.

 

What are - say - the top 5 emulators everyone uses out there.

 

I have in my list so far

 

Hummingbird

Bluezone

HOD (Host on Demand - IBM) - an I am not sure what other software is required 
to run this (Websphere or other?)

!Extra

Pcomm

Rumba

 

 

However, I was wondering if there were others.

 

My requirements are support (well supported), cost, encryption and usage across 
a wide platform (z/OS, Linux, Windows, etc.).  And it has to be deployed via 
Citrix.

 

I am not sure what anyone else is using out there for this type of software.
I love Vista3270 but I am not sure that my company will even look at it.

 

Is there a preference out there or is it just a random acquisition - kinda like 
I like the pink one?

 

Or does someone have an evaluation analysis write up on this type of software 
that they would be willing to share?

 

I am not usually in the front in the RFP but this time I am and it would help 
me to know what to look for when selecting a 3270 emulator.

 

Thanks

 

 

Lizette

 


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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Eric Spencer
1. Tom Brennan's Vista!
http://www.tombrennansoftware.com/

Very small footprint, fast, supports SSL, has reasonable font selection, FTP, 
Macros (record/playback) The best $30 I've spent in a long time. And you have 
your choice of colors (really) even pink. And fantastic support, I've never had 
a problem but Tom has responded to a couple of questions.

I seem to recall a thread where someone on the list said they got it running 
under Linux/WINE but I have not had any luck here.

2. Tom Brennan's Vista!
http://www.tombrennansoftware.com/
see above.

3. Tom Brennan's Vista!
http://www.tombrennansoftware.com/
see above. 

4. Tom Brennan's Vista!
http://www.tombrennansoftware.com/
see above 

5. x3270 if you're on Linux (free)


Eric Spencer
Neon Enterprise Software LLC.



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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
 Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
 Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:56 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: 3270 Emulator Software
 
 I just went through the archives looking for generic information on 3270
 emulators.  There is a lot but no specific to my requirements.
 
 So here goes.
 
 What are - say - the top 5 emulators everyone uses out there.
 
 I have in my list so far
 
 Hummingbird
 Bluezone
 HOD (Host on Demand - IBM) - an I am not sure what other software is
 required to run this (Websphere or other?)
 !Extra
 Pcomm
 Rumba
 
 
 However, I was wondering if there were others.
 
 My requirements are support (well supported), cost, encryption and usage
 across a wide platform (z/OS, Linux, Windows, etc.).  And it has to be
 deployed via Citrix.
 
 I am not sure what anyone else is using out there for this type of
 software.  I love Vista3270 but I am not sure that my company will even
 look
 at it.
 
 Is there a preference out there or is it just a random acquisition -
 kinda
 like I like the pink one?
 
 Or does someone have an evaluation analysis write up on this type of
 software that they would be willing to share?
 
 I am not usually in the front in the RFP but this time I am and it would
 help me to know what to look for when selecting a 3270 emulator.
 
 Thanks
 
 
 Lizette
 
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Re: Assembler Entry and Exit module

2010-08-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 007001cb437e$bb883fc0$3298bf...@org, on 08/24/2010
   at 07:23 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:

Um, don't the descendants of the 8086 -- you know, those pesky PCs --
have a stack implemented in hardware?

Well, they have something called SP, but the Devil is in the details.
You're still looking at software conventions, although the hardware
makes it easier.

As a particularly painful example, there's nothing in the 8086 to
guaranty that push and pop are correctly paired. I had the misfortune
to work with a compiler where they weren't.
 
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Re: Assembler Entry and Exit module

2010-08-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4c73b326.3030...@edelweb.fr, on 08/24/2010
   at 01:55 PM, Peter Sylvester peter.sylves...@edelweb.fr said:

And there also you have entry/exit conventions. At least two, see 
cdecl ou stdcall. Who does the push/pop, caller or subroutine.

If you're lucky, the push and pop might be for the same amount. That
doesn't always happen. Take DR-C - please!
 
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Re: Assembler Entry and Exit module

2010-08-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005d5e05...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom,
on 08/24/2010
   at 07:40 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said:

There are not truly stack based as Shmuel was talking about. True
stack based machines don't have general purpose registers.

It's possible to have a stack based machine with general registers.
That might come in handy for, e.g., shuffling the stack. None of the
stack based machines that I'm aware of do that.

On a PC, this overwrites memory.

You can get around that with guard pages. 

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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 013e01cb4379$111dcaa0$33595f...@com, on 08/24/2010
   at 06:42 AM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com said:

There is a lot but no specific to my requirements.

Are you looking for a 3270 simulator or for a TN3270 client? If the
latter, have you looked at x3270.

What features do you need, e.g., APA, PSS, explixcit partitions,
dynamic screen sizes, non-standard screen sizes?

I have in my list so far

What about Vista?
 
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Re: Soft Cap

2010-08-24 Thread Silvio Camplani
I have 4 lpars in a group. SCRT reports the group value in the E5
section (PRODUCT SUMMARY INFORMATION) which is what appears when I
upload the report to LMS.

The N5 section (DETAIL LPAR DATA SECTION) does show a total for the CPC
as group+1.

Silvio Camplani
zSeries Sr. Analyst, Systems Support
Bombardier

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:49 -0700, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu wrote:
  ...snip...
 
   The other thing I've noticed in this exercise these past few months,
 is that, whatever number I have the Softcap set at (say n=16), SCRT
 reports n+1 (17). I haven't pursued this curiosity as yet.
 
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 Information Technology Services
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BLSR

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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread zMan
Folks, read her post -- she mentioned Vista in her query. But consider
this another vote for a good, solid piece of software.

I've seen and used dozens of tn3270 clients. Most are pretty well the
same, though you'll learn to hate specific features in some of them. I
would thus STRONGLY recommend trialing several, and trying the tasks
you need, such as macros, upload/download (some of them make the
dialogs infernally confusing -- make sure you try it with specified
formats such as F 80, which some make VERY hard to specify), SSL, etc.
That might sound obvious, but given how similar they all are, it's
easy to shrug and say Yep, looks like a 3270 to me and move on too
quickly.

One anti-recommendation: Extra! has sucked pretty badly IMHO for a
very long time. Buggy and flaky. Haven't been forced to use it lately,
but I spent a week at a customer site and found pretty quickly that
typing over about 30wpm caused it to GPF. Boy, did that make for a
looong week...

At least we've stopped seeing new tn3270 products showing up at SHARE
-- for a while there, every drug-addled CEO seemed to think it was a
new market, and every SHARE there would be two or three new ones, most
of which were never seen again.
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Re: BLSR

2010-08-24 Thread Aled Hughes
Try this Cisco website:
https://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/optical/ps2006/products_command_reference_chapter09186a0080950dbf.html










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Re: BLSR

2010-08-24 Thread Scott Rowe
Why?

 Aled Hughes aledlhug...@aol.com 8/24/2010 11:16 AM 
Try this Cisco website:
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Re: BLSR

2010-08-24 Thread Marco Gianfranco Indaco
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2010/8/24 Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com

 Why?

  Aled Hughes aledlhug...@aol.com 8/24/2010 11:16 AM 
  Try this Cisco website:

 https://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/optical/ps2006/products_command_reference_chapter09186a0080950dbf.html











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LP:PP ratio?

2010-08-24 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Has the recommended ratio for Logical to Physical processor changed in the last 
10 years or so?
 
There was a time where a ratio above 2:1 led to something called Short Engine 
Syndrome or generally sluggish CPU performance.

A colleague in the office now maintains the WSC has changed the acceptable 
ratio to 3:1, which just happens to be where we are.

If someone could point me to a definitive IBM statement, I'd appreciate it.

Thank You,
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Re: BLSR

2010-08-24 Thread Aled Hughes
Scott
Because it refers to 'BLSR Aid'. If it does not refer to the particular BLSR 
Aid requested, I apologize, I was merely trying to be helpful. 

Cheers
ALH




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Re: Who is TCBJSTCB

2010-08-24 Thread Stephen Donaldson

For which TCB?
IEAVAR00 is JSTCB for IEAVAR00 region control.
IEAVTSDT is JSTCB for IEAVTSDT DUMP task.
IEESB605 is JSTCB for IEESB605/IEFSD060.
MICHAEL is JSTCB for MICHAEL and (usually) children.

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Hi,

Just for clarafication in EXEC PGM=MICHEAL. TCBJSTCB. is not the 
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Re: EBCDIC-ASCII translation and vendor products

2010-08-24 Thread Charles Mills
 issues with customers that don't have it running/configured properly

Anyone?

Charles
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 issues with customers that don't have it running/configured properly

That concerns me. Can you elaborate? Does this still (3Q 2010) come up?

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Re: Assembler Entry and Exit module

2010-08-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 008101cb4392$d0c24570$7246d0...@org, on 08/24/2010
   at 09:46 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:

But I do recall that the 8086+ family has an SS
register that normally points to the end (lower memory extremity) of
the stack. The SP grows toward 0 has I recall and causes a program
exception when that boundary is crossed.

SS was 16 bits and was shifted left 4 bits for addressing.

The SP grows toward 0

Yes.

causes a program exception
when that boundary is crossed.

Are you sure?
 
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Re: simple JCL question

2010-08-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In listserv%201008191837506477.1...@bama.ua.edu, on 08/19/2010
   at 06:37 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:

You generally laud JCL for embracing Assembler's syntactic
conventions.  Another it spurned was order-independence of keyword
arguments.

WTF? Keyword arguments in JCL are order-independent. Perhaps you are
thinking of references to specific steps, but there's no analog to
that in assembler.
 
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Re: LP:PP ratio?

2010-08-24 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:21:46 -0400, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
obrie...@mail.nih.gov wrote:

Has the recommended ratio for Logical to Physical processor changed in the
last 10 years or so?

There was a time where a ratio above 2:1 led to something called Short
Engine Syndrome or generally sluggish CPU performance.

A colleague in the office now maintains the WSC has changed the acceptable
ratio to 3:1, which just happens to be where we are.

If someone could point me to a definitive IBM statement, I'd appreciate it.


Since it is just an ROT, there won't be any definitive statement.  What
matters is if YOU (your shop) can live with the overhead.  

Search the archives, this has been discussed a number of times.

The last time I posted about this was October 11th 2007.  Search Google 
groups or the archives for Logical to Physical CPU ratio ROT.

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Re: Assembler Entry and Exit module

2010-08-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In
245452399-1282658035-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-16452400...@bda026.bisx.prod.on.blackberry,
on 08/24/2010
   at 01:54 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca said:

Don't DEC machines have them also?

Which DEC machines?
 
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Re: Assembler Entry and Exit module

2010-08-24 Thread Tony Harminc
On 24 August 2010 08:40, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote:

 There are not truly stack based as Shmuel was talking about. True stack 
 based machines don't have general purpose registers. Instructions, such as 
 ADD, take their operands from a stack and leave their results on the stack.

Like Java...

Tony H.

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Re: Soft Cap

2010-08-24 Thread Al Sherkow
I've presented on this fact at Share conferences, z/OS Expo and CMG. The 4
hour rolling average (4HRA) often (but not always) stabilizes at a number
higher than an LPAR's Defined Capacity or an LPAR Group's Capacity Limit.
This has to do with the algorithms WLM uses to control the capping. 

When you set or lower a capping target (either Defined Capacity or LPAR
Group Capacity limit) it of course cannot impact the history that has
occurred in the preceding four hours. The 4HRA continues to be computed
based on that history and may well be above the capping value. However, when
SCRT processes the SMF data the 4HRA, and the defined capacity and or the
group capacity are all in the SMF 70 data and SCRT will report the lower of
the values. So you 4HRA can be higher than the cap and you are not charged
for that. 

When I first presented this in the Spring of 2004 I called this effect
Bonus MSUs and that was a term IBM certainly liked!

If you are capped is at 16 MSUs then SCRT should not be reporting 17 MSUs.
This indicates that at least one hour in the month the 4HRA of your LPAR
group was at 17 without the cap being enforced. This is one of the features
of the LCS software: auditing of SCRT.  

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Re: LP:PP ratio?

2010-08-24 Thread Ron Hawkins
David,

I believe that the 2:1 ratio can be pretty well dead and buried, especially
with enhancements like Hyperdispatch.

There were two affects as I recall. One was that the excess number of LP
increased CPU time through increased HSB miss, and that low weight LPARs
with way too many engines would steal capacity because of the LP timeslice.

Back in CMOS days I found that the 2:1 rule was almost always beneficial,
but nowadays on a z9-408 we run in excess of 10-15 LPARS with at least 2xLP
each sharing 4 or 6 PP and there is no noticeable problem. We run test loads
from time to time moving some LPARS between shared and dedicated PP so I
expect a significant difference would have been noticed.

Of course YMMV, especially if you are running extreme ratios (e.g. a
z196-715 with ten LPARs of 15xLP each).

Ron

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 Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] LP:PP ratio?
 
 On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:21:46 -0400, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
 obrie...@mail.nih.gov wrote:
 
 Has the recommended ratio for Logical to Physical processor changed in
the
 last 10 years or so?
 
 There was a time where a ratio above 2:1 led to something called Short
 Engine Syndrome or generally sluggish CPU performance.
 
 A colleague in the office now maintains the WSC has changed the
acceptable
 ratio to 3:1, which just happens to be where we are.
 
 If someone could point me to a definitive IBM statement, I'd appreciate
it.
 
 
 Since it is just an ROT, there won't be any definitive statement.  What
 matters is if YOU (your shop) can live with the overhead.
 
 Search the archives, this has been discussed a number of times.
 
 The last time I posted about this was October 11th 2007.  Search Google
 groups or the archives for Logical to Physical CPU ratio ROT.
 
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Re: EBCDIC-ASCII translation and vendor products

2010-08-24 Thread Brian Peterson
Here's my two cents.

http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0708L=ibm-mainP=R22070

I wrote the above post in August 2007, and it is still true today.

Every z/OS shop should do this - Unicode On Demand works great!

Brian

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iEFUTL Exit...Batch job with OMVS Spawned Address Spaces

2010-08-24 Thread Mark Jacobs
We've run into a problem with our IEFUTL exit allowing a batch job to be 
terminated for wait time exceeded even though it has executing OMVS 
spawned address spaces.


A fast look through the exits manual didn't spot anything in the exits 
parameter list where I can test for this condition. I know I can hard 
code a jobname in the exit but that would be last resort, since I'd like 
to generalize the processing in the exit.


Just wondering if anyone can share their solution to this problem (if 
you've encountered it).


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Re: Who is TCBJSTCB

2010-08-24 Thread Micheal Butz
When EXEC PGM=MICHEAL the initator does an ATTACH JSTCB=YES. For  
MICHEAL is represented by what data name of the TCB control block


TCBJSTCB.

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For which TCB?
IEAVAR00 is JSTCB for IEAVAR00 region control.
IEAVTSDT is JSTCB for IEAVTSDT DUMP task.
IEESB605 is JSTCB for IEESB605/IEFSD060.
MICHAEL is JSTCB for MICHAEL and (usually) children.

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Hi,

Just for clarafication in EXEC PGM=MICHEAL. TCBJSTCB. is not the  
initiator but MICHEAL


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Re: simple JCL question

2010-08-24 Thread zMan
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
Perhaps you are
 thinking of references to specific steps, but there's no analog to
 that in assembler.

Sure there is -- the order of the instructions! (Although with OoO
Execution, even THAT changes...)

Yes, I'm kidding. Of course you're right about this.
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Re: iEFUTL Exit...Batch job with OMVS Spawned Address Spaces

2010-08-24 Thread Larry Macioce
what about a time parm in the job card(time=1440)?
mace

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Re: iEFUTL Exit...Batch job with OMVS Spawned Address Spaces

2010-08-24 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:05:20 -0400, Mark Jacobs mark.jac...@custserv.com
wrote:

We've run into a problem with our IEFUTL exit allowing a batch job to be
terminated for wait time exceeded even though it has executing OMVS
spawned address spaces.

A fast look through the exits manual didn't spot anything in the exits
parameter list where I can test for this condition. I know I can hard
code a jobname in the exit but that would be last resort, since I'd like
to generalize the processing in the exit.


Eh?

2.28.7.2 Parameter Descriptions

   

Register 1 points to the following list of addresses:  

   

Word 1The address of the common exit parameter area (see Common Exit
Parameter Area in topic 2.18.7.3).   
   

Word 2The address of a 4-character area that contains the name of the
subsystem for the job being processed. Examples:  
   

  ASCH, JES2, or JES3 - indicates the name of the subsystem that
selected the job   
   

  OMVS - indicates a forked or spawned address space   

   

  STC - indicates a started task   

   

  TSO - indicates a time sharing option task   

   

  The jobname - used if it is four or fewer characters and none
of the above apply  
   

   

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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Dave Salt
 From: zedgarhoo...@gmail.com
 One anti-recommendation: Extra! has sucked pretty badly IMHO for a
 very long time. Buggy and flaky. 

I have to agree. Last year I worked at a customer's site for 2 months, and was 
forced to use Extra! The first thing I did after installing SimpList was to try 
to configure Extra so I could Surf the mainframe (i.e. select the many 
hundreds of SimpList point-and-shoot fields by clicking them with a mouse). But 
the only way I could get Extra to select point-and-shoot fields was to single 
left click (to position the cursor) and then single right click (to select). 
The left-click/right-click combination is far less intuitive than the double 
left click I'm used to. It was so frustrating I actually gave up and went back 
to using the keyboard!!!   (GASP)

What I like about Vista3270 is that it supports point-and-shoot with a mouse 
right out of the box. Other emulators (e.g. PCOM) don't support it out of the 
box, but if each user takes the time to look through their emulator settings 
they can at least configure it that way. The next step below that is emulators 
where the closest you can get to point-and-shoot support is something very 
unintuitive (e.g. the left-click/right-click combo supported by Extra). 
Finally, right at the bottom of the pack are emulators that don't support 
point-and-shoot at all. I won't name names because it's been many years since I 
used such an emulator and perhaps they've fixed that deficiency by now.

One of the things I'd strongly recommend reviewing when evaluating emulators is 
their ability to allow users to select point-and-shoot fields with a mouse.
 
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Re: iEFUTL Exit...Batch job with OMVS Spawned Address Spaces

2010-08-24 Thread Mark Jacobs

On 08/24/10 13:17, Mark Zelden wrote:

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:05:20 -0400, Mark Jacobsmark.jac...@custserv.com
wrote:

   

We've run into a problem with our IEFUTL exit allowing a batch job to be
terminated for wait time exceeded even though it has executing OMVS
spawned address spaces.

A fast look through the exits manual didn't spot anything in the exits
parameter list where I can test for this condition. I know I can hard
code a jobname in the exit but that would be last resort, since I'd like
to generalize the processing in the exit.

 

Eh?

2.28.7.2 Parameter Descriptions



Register 1 points to the following list of addresses:



Word 1The address of the common exit parameter area (see Common Exit
Parameter Area in topic 2.18.7.3).


Word 2The address of a 4-character area that contains the name of the
subsystem for the job being processed. Examples:


   ASCH, JES2, or JES3 - indicates the name of the subsystem that
selected the job


   OMVS - indicates a forked or spawned address space



   STC - indicates a started task



   TSO - indicates a time sharing option task



   The jobname - used if it is four or fewer characters and none
of the above apply




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snip

The problem seems to be that the submitted batch job is waiting for the 
spawned OMVS address spaces to complete. When the wait time limit for 
the batch job is exceeded IEFUTL gets control and the parameter list 
indicates that it's a standard JES2 batch job with no indication that it 
has spawned OMVS address spaces that are happily executing.


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Re: iEFUTL Exit...Batch job with OMVS Spawned Address Spaces

2010-08-24 Thread McKown, John
I can't directly help you. But what I'd do is run one of these jobs. When the 
step is waiting for a UNIX process to finish, I'd do a console DUMP command of 
that address space. I'd then look at the TCB and RB to see if there is 
something that I could test in my IEFUTL exit. I would guess that the batch 
step is doing a a BPX1WAT function. But I don't know what that looks like.

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Re: iEFUTL Exit...Batch job with OMVS Spawned Address Spaces

2010-08-24 Thread McKown, John
Did a quick look. If you use SDSF and the PS command to look at UNIX processes, 
you will see that SDSF has a message on the job which says:

TSH0099  STC47962 SWAPPED,WAITING FOR CHILDTSH009   1WI   0.06   
83887051   8388704779  004F  -sh

So SDSF knows that it is waiting for a child. But I don't know how it knows.

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 I can't directly help you. But what I'd do is run one of 
 these jobs. When the step is waiting for a UNIX process to 
 finish, I'd do a console DUMP command of that address space. 
 I'd then look at the TCB and RB to see if there is something 
 that I could test in my IEFUTL exit. I would guess that the 
 batch step is doing a a BPX1WAT function. But I don't know 
 what that looks like.
 
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Re: VSAM question (was CICS Question)

2010-08-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In
200800533-1279300268-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-16566119...@bda026.bisx.prod.on.blackberry,
on 07/16/2010
   at 05:11 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca said:

To cic...@listserv.uga.edu 

Also, you can send it to almost any list server -- if it doesn't
recognise it as one of its own, it will pass it on.

Not when you mail it to the list address instead of the listserv
address ;-)
 
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Re: SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER: JAVA 5.0 PTFs not found by server??

2010-08-24 Thread Brian Peterson
I opened a PMR with IBM to inquire about this.  I learned two things:

1) The PTFs UK59131 and UK59134 are now available as of today.
2) It might be a good idea to wait for new PTFs UK59501 and UK59510 which
are coming real soon and will replace UK59131 and UK59134 respectively.

I've asked IBM to comment on this unusual secret hold technique used by
Java development.  IBM might respond to my query, or might not.  IBM might
choose to comment here, or might not.

I think this secret hold technique is very ill-advised to say the least.

Brian

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:31:29 -0500, Chase, John wrote:

Trying to RECEIVE ORDER the latest  greatest JAVA maintenance.  The
Java 6.0 maintenance (31- and 64-bit) came down fine, but the Java 5.0
PTFs both gave this error message:

GIM69230E ** PTF UK59131 WAS SPECIFIED ON THE CONTENT OPERAND FOR ORDER
ORD00011
 BUT WAS NOT FOUND BY THE SERVER.


GIM69230E ** PTF UK59134 WAS SPECIFIED ON THE CONTENT OPERAND FOR ORDER
ORD00012
 BUT WAS NOT FOUND BY THE SERVER.


IBMLINK search shows both PTF numbers are correct for the respective
JAVA 5.0 SDKs:

  APAR Identifier .. PM18984
https://www-304.ibm.com/ibmlink/sis/viewAparDoc.wss?context=aparAndUsag
esearchWords=PM18984documentIds=PM18984lc=encc=US   Last
Changed  10/08/12
  GENERIC APAR: 31-BIT JAVA FOR Z/OS SDK 5 SERVICE REFRESH (SR12)
. . .
  PTF List:
  Release 500   : UK59131
https://www-304.ibm.com/ibmlink/sis/viewAparDoc.wss?context=aparAndUsag
esearchWords=PM18984documentIds=UK59131lc=encc=US  available
10/07/30 (F007 )

And

  APAR Identifier .. PM18985
 Last
Changed  10/08/12
  GENERIC APAR: 64-BIT JAVA FOR Z/OS SDK 5 SERVICE REFRESH (SR12)

. . .
  PTF List:
  Release 500   : UK59134
 available
10/07/30 (F007 )


Anybody have any insights as to where these two PTFs might be hiding?

TIA,

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Re: simple JCL question

2010-08-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:38:09 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

You generally laud JCL for embracing Assembler's syntactic
conventions.  Another it spurned was order-independence of keyword
arguments.

WTF? Keyword arguments in JCL are order-independent. Perhaps you are
thinking of references to specific steps, but there's no analog to
that in assembler.

Try:

//STEP  EXEC  PARM='42',PGM=IEFBR14

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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Rick Fochtman

You really should look at VISTA, from TomBrennanSoftware.com

It's quite good and, in my experience, very reliable.

Rick

Lizette Koehler wrote:


I just went through the archives looking for generic information on 3270
emulators.  There is a lot but no specific to my requirements.


So here goes.



What are - say - the top 5 emulators everyone uses out there.



I have in my list so far



Hummingbird

Bluezone

HOD (Host on Demand - IBM) - an I am not sure what other software is
required to run this (Websphere or other?)

!Extra

Pcomm

Rumba





However, I was wondering if there were others.



My requirements are support (well supported), cost, encryption and usage
across a wide platform (z/OS, Linux, Windows, etc.).  And it has to be
deployed via Citrix.



I am not sure what anyone else is using out there for this type of software.
I love Vista3270 but I am not sure that my company will even look at it.



Is there a preference out there or is it just a random acquisition - kinda
like I like the pink one?



Or does someone have an evaluation analysis write up on this type of
software that they would be willing to share?



I am not usually in the front in the RFP but this time I am and it would
help me to know what to look for when selecting a 3270 emulator.



Thanks





Lizette




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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread George.William
Dave

We have EXTRA! and I too am not as pleased with it as a few others.
However, at least with Extra! Xtreme 9 you can change the mouse's left
double click to select and ENTER. HOWEVER, it is NOT in the mouse map
settings but in the Global Preferences. Go figure.


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Subject: Re: 3270 Emulator Software

 From: zedgarhoo...@gmail.com
 One anti-recommendation: Extra! has sucked pretty badly IMHO for a
 very long time. Buggy and flaky. 

I have to agree. Last year I worked at a customer's site for 2 months,
and was forced to use Extra! The first thing I did after installing
SimpList was to try to configure Extra so I could Surf the mainframe
(i.e. select the many hundreds of SimpList point-and-shoot fields by
clicking them with a mouse). But the only way I could get Extra to
select point-and-shoot fields was to single left click (to position the
cursor) and then single right click (to select). The
left-click/right-click combination is far less intuitive than the double
left click I'm used to. It was so frustrating I actually gave up and
went back to using the keyboard!!!   (GASP)

What I like about Vista3270 is that it supports point-and-shoot with a
mouse right out of the box. Other emulators (e.g. PCOM) don't support it
out of the box, but if each user takes the time to look through their
emulator settings they can at least configure it that way. The next step
below that is emulators where the closest you can get to point-and-shoot
support is something very unintuitive (e.g. the left-click/right-click
combo supported by Extra). Finally, right at the bottom of the pack are
emulators that don't support point-and-shoot at all. I won't name names
because it's been many years since I used such an emulator and perhaps
they've fixed that deficiency by now.

One of the things I'd strongly recommend reviewing when evaluating
emulators is their ability to allow users to select point-and-shoot
fields with a mouse.
 
Dave Salt

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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Gates, Guy
Hi,

 We use NEXUS currently, and used Reflections in the past. 

Thanks...Guy M. Gates Jr.
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Job Submission exit

2010-08-24 Thread Ward, Mike S
Hello all, I'm asking for a little help. I would like to keep TSO users
from submitting jobs using class P. I am looking through the Jes2 exits,
but I'm not sure which one to choose. If someone could point me in the
right direction I would appreciate it. Also if anyone has a sample or
knows where I can get one it would save reinventing the wheel.


Thanks

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Re: simple JCL question

2010-08-24 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Gil,

The problem with your example is that even though it looks like it is, 
PGM=xxx is not a keyword argument.  According to the JCL reference manual, 
the first parameter after the EXEC statement is a positional parm and the rest 
of them are keyword.  The While I'm not saying I agree with it, that's the way 
it is defined and documented.  Now, if IBM were to require PROC=y to 
execute a PROC (and make everybody change their JCL to comply), then I would 
think it would be a simple thing to change the PGM= to be a keyword parm, but I 
don't think IBM will do that (nor do I want them to).

Rex

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On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:38:09 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

You generally laud JCL for embracing Assembler's syntactic
conventions.  Another it spurned was order-independence of keyword
arguments.

WTF? Keyword arguments in JCL are order-independent. Perhaps you are
thinking of references to specific steps, but there's no analog to
that in assembler.

Try:

//STEP  EXEC  PARM='42',PGM=IEFBR14

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Re: simple JCL question

2010-08-24 Thread Steve Comstock

Paul Gilmartin wrote:

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:38:09 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

You generally laud JCL for embracing Assembler's syntactic
conventions.  Another it spurned was order-independence of keyword
arguments.

WTF? Keyword arguments in JCL are order-independent. Perhaps you are
thinking of references to specific steps, but there's no analog to
that in assembler.


Try:

//STEP  EXEC  PARM='42',PGM=IEFBR14

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Exactly. In my JCL class, I proclaim, parameters are either
keyword or positional, then I explain what those two terms
mean; then when we get to the EXEC statement I recall that
earlier assertion and then say, I lied; the PGM parm on
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Re: Job Submission exit

2010-08-24 Thread Williamson, James R
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Hello all, I'm asking for a little help. I would like to keep TSO users
from submitting jobs using class P. I am looking through the Jes2 exits,
but I'm not sure which one to choose. If someone could point me in the
right direction I would appreciate it. Also if anyone has a sample or
knows where I can get one it would save reinventing the wheel.


Thanks

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I believe the TSO submit exit is IKJEFF10, 
it's not a JES exit. 
 

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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Field, Alan C.
I don't know about favourites, but Dave Alcock has a pretty extensive list at 
http://planetmvs.com/tn3270/

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I just went through the archives looking for generic information on 3270
emulators.  There is a lot but no specific to my requirements.

So here goes.

What are - say - the top 5 emulators everyone uses out there.

I have in my list so far

Hummingbird
Bluezone
HOD (Host on Demand - IBM) - an I am not sure what other software is
required to run this (Websphere or other?)
!Extra
Pcomm
Rumba


However, I was wondering if there were others.

My requirements are support (well supported), cost, encryption and usage
across a wide platform (z/OS, Linux, Windows, etc...).  And it has to be
deployed via Citrix.

I am not sure what anyone else is using out there for this type of
software.  I love Vista3270 but I am not sure that my company will even look
at it.

Is there a preference out there or is it just a random acquisition - kinda
like I like the pink one?

Or does someone have an evaluation analysis write up on this type of
software that they would be willing to share?

I am not usually in the front in the RFP but this time I am and it would
help me to know what to look for when selecting a 3270 emulator.

Thanks


Lizette

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Re: iEFUTL Exit...Batch job with OMVS Spawned Address Spaces

2010-08-24 Thread Starr, Alan
That is a very intriguing question and there were some responses that further 
piqued my curiosity, so I did some digging.

I believe that the SDSF PS command may be using the MVS BPXEKDA service to 
display the waiting for child status.


I took a dump of one of these waiting for child address spaces and discovered 
the following:

1) The current TCB is ATTACHed under the Initiator (IEFIIC), which linked to 
EP=BPXPRJRW; this is analogous to what's specified in PROC=BPXAS.

2) The current TCB itself has a single PRB. The EP is the batch program and 
the last thing it did was SVC 60 (ESTAE).
No further RBs are chained to this RB. 

3) The only way that I could tell that this TCB represents a dubbed process 
is that it has a non-zero value in STCBOTCB (the OTCB is USS's primary control 
block for a task).

I'm not sure how much more it is possible to derive by scanning control blocks 
in this address space but the BPXEKDA service looks promising, albeit somewhat 
cumbersome.

As far as I can tell, the SMF IEFUTL exit is invoked as an IRB in the address 
space that has exceeded JWT and is therefore permitted to use the BPXEKDA 
service. The BPXZODMV macro maps both the input area passed to the service and 
the output area that it returns. In a nutshell:

1) The input area of the ODMV (mapped by BPXZODMV) is about 88 bytes long, 
following an 8-byte header (I think)
   Byte 0: C'ODMV'
   Byte 4: A(output area) should be at least 1M

   Input area begins at ODMV+8
flag byte called ODMVINBYTEM1 should be set to ODMVASIDS (X'20') = ASID 
will be specified
area called ODMVASIDPARM should be set to value in ASCBASID

2) The output area that you passed (via the ODMV) is filled in with information 
about the address space.
The DSECT that maps the information returned for request ODMVASIDS is 
called ODMVPROCESS.
The DSECT includes a byte called ODMVSTATUS3 which is set to C'W' 
(ODMVCHILD) when it is Waiting for child 


I'm glad you asked because I'd never looked at this stuff before. I hope the 
information proves useful.

Regards,
Alan   





  

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Did a quick look. If you use SDSF and the PS command to look at UNIX processes, 
you will see that SDSF has a message on the job which says:

TSH0099  STC47962 SWAPPED,WAITING FOR CHILDTSH009   1WI   0.06   
83887051   8388704779  004F  -sh

So SDSF knows that it is waiting for a child. But I don't know how it knows.

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 I can't directly help you. But what I'd do is run one of these jobs. 
 When the step is waiting for a UNIX process to finish, I'd do a 
 console DUMP command of that address space.
 I'd then look at the TCB and RB to see if there is something that I 
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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Michael Knigge

Rick Fochtman schrieb:

You really should look at VISTA, from TomBrennanSoftware.com
It's quite good and, in my experience, very reliable.


Yeah, it is! And the Font that comes with Vista is just GREAT! It is so 
great that I use it with SPF/SE (a SPF-like Editor for Windows) and not 
just for Vista tn3270...



And just one thing to note: Tom Brennan gives excellent Support. As we 
started using it and I also started writing macros for Vista tn3270 I 
came accross afeature that I was missing: I needed to get the 
EBCDIC-Value of a character on the screen


I've sent a mail to Tom, asked for that feature and voila, just a few 
days later I've got a new version...  Try this with IBM (PCOMM) or other 
big players



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Re: Job Submission exit

2010-08-24 Thread Starr, Alan
James,

You can used JES2 exit 2 (I use JES3 but I suspect you'll find an example in 
HASPSAMP or HASPSRC).

You can also use SMF exit IEFUJV (examples in SAMPLIB members IEEUJV and 
SMFEXITS).

Cheers,
Alan 

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Hello all, I'm asking for a little help. I would like to keep TSO users from 
submitting jobs using class P. I am looking through the Jes2 exits, but I'm not 
sure which one to choose. If someone could point me in the right direction I 
would appreciate it. Also if anyone has a sample or knows where I can get one 
it would save reinventing the wheel.


Thanks

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I believe the TSO submit exit is IKJEFF10, it's not a JES exit. 
 

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Re: Job Submission exit

2010-08-24 Thread Starr, Alan
Sorry Mike. The exit that James mentioned will work fine too, as long as you're 
only concerned with jobs entering via the TSO SUBmit CP. There are other ways 
to submit jobs into the system from TSO (e.g. executing a foreground IEBGENER 
to INTRDR or FTPing to JES).

Cheers...

 

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Hello all, I'm asking for a little help. I would like to keep TSO users from 
submitting jobs using class P. I am looking through the Jes2 exits, but I'm not 
sure which one to choose. If someone could point me in the right direction I 
would appreciate it. Also if anyone has a sample or knows where I can get one 
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Thanks

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Re: Job Submission exit

2010-08-24 Thread Jack Schudel

We use JES2 exit 6 to restrict job classes to selected RACF groups,
but is should be pretty easy to just check the origin for TSUn
instead.

The problem with using the TSO submit exit is that it is easy to
bypass by just using any old program to send card images to the
INTRDR.

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Re: Job Submission exit

2010-08-24 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 15:22:20 -0500, Ward, Mike S mw...@ssfcu.org wrote:

Hello all, I'm asking for a little help. I would like to keep TSO users
from submitting jobs using class P. I am looking through the Jes2 exits,
but I'm not sure which one to choose. If someone could point me in the
right direction I would appreciate it. Also if anyone has a sample or
knows where I can get one it would save reinventing the wheel.



I've done it in EXIT 6, but it could be done in EXIT 2 / 52 also.   My exit
made calls to an installation defined RACF class ($EXIT or some such) to
see if the user was authorized to submit in that class.  FACILITY could be used
also.

Not that TSO SUBMIT exit is not a good solution for this as it is very easy to
code a sysout to INTRDR, write to it and bypass the submit exit (or allocate
INTRDR to your TSO session).

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Re: Job Submission exit

2010-08-24 Thread Rick Fochtman
I've sent you, via private E-Mail, a copy of the IKJEFF10 exit we used 
at Board of Trade Clearing Corp. It does job-class enforcement based on 
userid. Enjoy.  :-)


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right direction I would appreciate it. Also if anyone has a sample or
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Re: Job Submission exit

2010-08-24 Thread Ward, Mike S
Got it. Right now I'm only interested in the TSO users. All of you
thanks for all the feedback and help.

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Sorry Mike. The exit that James mentioned will work fine too, as long as
you're only concerned with jobs entering via the TSO SUBmit CP. There
are other ways to submit jobs into the system from TSO (e.g. executing a
foreground IEBGENER to INTRDR or FTPing to JES).

Cheers...

 

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Re: iEFUTL Exit...Batch job with OMVS Spawned Address Spaces

2010-08-24 Thread Shane
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 13:24 -0400, Mark Jacobs wrote:

 The problem seems to be that the submitted batch job is waiting for the 
 spawned OMVS address spaces to complete. When the wait time limit for 
 the batch job is exceeded IEFUTL gets control and the parameter list 
 indicates that it's a standard JES2 batch job with no indication that it 
 has spawned OMVS address spaces that are happily executing.

Haven't seen this, but we had a customer that instituted a policy that
production jobs get carte blanche. They are always extended - caused
other issues, so I think I went back and added an SMF record so we could
later track who had been.
For other user, they had a RACF check - 1 extension allowed of 2,4 or 8
hours. Yes, hours. In need a user could be added to the access list for
the unlimited profile.
I didn't design it, I just cut the code   ;-)

Shane ...

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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Linda Mooney
Hi Lizette, 



I have used Tom Brennan's Vista TN3270 and I like it very much. 



Some of our customer base uses Mocha TN3270 from MochaSoft,  I have not used 
it, but they seem to like it pretty well. 



HTH, 



Linda Mooney 


- Original Message - 
From: Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com 
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:42:36 AM 
Subject: 3270 Emulator Software 

I just went through the archives looking for generic information on 3270 
emulators.  There is a lot but no specific to my requirements. 


So here goes. 

  

What are - say - the top 5 emulators everyone uses out there. 

  

I have in my list so far 

  

Hummingbird 

Bluezone 

HOD (Host on Demand - IBM) - an I am not sure what other software is 
required to run this (Websphere or other?) 

!Extra 

Pcomm 

Rumba 

  

  

However, I was wondering if there were others. 

  

My requirements are support (well supported), cost, encryption and usage 
across a wide platform (z/OS, Linux, Windows, etc.).  And it has to be 
deployed via Citrix. 

  

I am not sure what anyone else is using out there for this type of software. 
I love Vista3270 but I am not sure that my company will even look at it. 

  

Is there a preference out there or is it just a random acquisition - kinda 
like I like the pink one? 

  

Or does someone have an evaluation analysis write up on this type of 
software that they would be willing to share? 

  

I am not usually in the front in the RFP but this time I am and it would 
help me to know what to look for when selecting a 3270 emulator. 

  

Thanks 

  

  

Lizette 

  


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Re: SDSF and z/OS 1.11

2010-08-24 Thread John Chase
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:36:22 -0500, Mark Zelden  wrote:

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:39:17 -0500, Chase, John  wrote:

Here's a weird one for you:

We recently upgraded two LPARs from z/OS 1.9 to z/OS 1.11.  One of those
LPARs is our sandbox, which is pretty well crippled (one CPU, 3GiB
central storage, on a z9-BC).  My standard tn3270 emulation is the
3290 screen size (62x160), and I specify LOGMODE(D4C32XX3) at logon
time.  This has worked wonderfully through z/OS 1.9.

At z/OS 1.11, and (so far) only on the sandbox, my 3290 emulation
simply will not display SDSF at all; the session simply hangs.  If I
omit the LOGMODE(D4C32XX3) and accept our default 24x80 screen size,
there is no problem with SDSF (other than readability, of course).  Note
that the other LPAR that was upgraded lives on the same z9-BC, which
also hosts a Coupling Facility.

Anybody have any idea what I should look for, and where, to address my
SDSF on the 'Sandbox problem?



Known problem, and discussed several times before.  If you hadn't skipped
z/OS 1.10 you would have found out a long time ago.  :-)

Change HIBFREXT=96000 in TSOKEY00 (I assume it is something lower
or you wouldn't have this problem).   Unfortunately you can't change this
dynamically.

Well, now that I've had a chance to browse the archives, I find that not only 
had this been discussed, but I (!!) had bragged about using 62x160 on z/OS 
1.11 with TSOKEY00 values HIBFREXT=6600 and LOBFREXT=3300!  I can't 
imagine what changed where when we upgraded the second LPAR on that box.

I have no idea where the 6600 and 3300 values came from originally, but 
the last changed date on our TSOKEY00 members is sometime in 1992.  I see 
in current (and not-so-current) documentation that the DEFAULTS are now 
HIBFREXT=48000 and LOBFREXT=24000, so maybe I've just been lucky for 
quite some time now.

I think I'll lobby for using the current defaults for now (we've developed 
quite 
a taste for vanilla  :-) ), and note that I did see Ed Jaffe's post about 
using 
LOBFREXT=48000 and HIBFREXT=96000.

-jc-
 

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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Ivan Warren

On 8/24/2010 12:56 PM, Lizette Koehler wrote:


What are – say - the top 5 emulators everyone uses out there.

I have in my list so far



- A real 3279 Mod 3 (If I had one) - Not really an emulator is it ?
But the best experience ever !
- SDI's TN3270 Plus
- x3270
- c3270
..

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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 8/24/2010 5:43:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
i...@vmfacility.fr writes:

A real 3279 Mod 3 (If I had one) - Not really an emulator is it  ?
But the best experience  ever !



The 3192's with the VGA ports were  outstanding.
Then GRAFTEK with PCI card was great,  but pricey.
 
Tried most of the rest, liked Hummingbird  the best for TN3270.
Thought for a while some of the WEB3270  products would take off, but
guess it changes too fast.




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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Ron Hawkins
 
 - A real 3279 Mod 3 (If I had one) - Not really an emulator is it ?
  But the best experience ever !
[Ron Hawkins] 

I often miss my 3472G. A Mainframe terminal with a mouse and supported five
sessions!

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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-08-24 Thread Graeme Gibson

We use Tom Brennan's Vista at ASE: http://www.tombrennansoftware.com

take care all,
Graeme


At 08:42 PM 24/08/2010, you wrote:

I just went through the archives looking for generic information on 3270
emulators.  There is a lot but no specific to my requirements.


So here goes.



What are - say - the top 5 emulators everyone uses out there.



I have in my list so far



Hummingbird

Bluezone

HOD (Host on Demand - IBM) - an I am not sure what other software is
required to run this (Websphere or other?)

!Extra

Pcomm

Rumba





However, I was wondering if there were others.



My requirements are support (well supported), cost, encryption and usage
across a wide platform (z/OS, Linux, Windows, etc.).  And it has to be
deployed via Citrix.



I am not sure what anyone else is using out there for this type of software.
I love Vista3270 but I am not sure that my company will even look at it.



Is there a preference out there or is it just a random acquisition - kinda
like I like the pink one?



Or does someone have an evaluation analysis write up on this type of
software that they would be willing to share?



I am not usually in the front in the RFP but this time I am and it would
help me to know what to look for when selecting a 3270 emulator.



Thanks





Lizette




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Re: SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER: JAVA 5.0 PTFs not found by server??

2010-08-24 Thread Ed Gould
--- On Tue, 8/24/10, Brian Peterson brian.peterson.ibm.m...@comcast.net wrote:

From: Brian Peterson brian.peterson.ibm.m...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER: JAVA 5.0 PTFs not found by server??
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 2:18 PM

I opened a PMR with IBM to inquire about this.  I learned two things:

1) The PTFs UK59131 and UK59134 are now available as of today.
2) It might be a good idea to wait for new PTFs UK59501 and UK59510 which
are coming real soon and will replace UK59131 and UK59134 respectively.

I've asked IBM to comment on this unusual secret hold technique used by
Java development.  IBM might respond to my query, or might not.  IBM might
choose to comment here, or might not.

I think this secret hold technique is very ill-advised to say the least.

Brian


Brian:
I think I remember running into this a long time ago but for a different 
component.My memory is iffy here but but I think it had to do when TSO Rexx 
first came out (1991?) I had several issue with it and was advised not to put 
on the PTF but a succeeding PTF. I vaguely remember asking (this was level 2) 
and got a reply that the succeeding PTF fixed more issues. I was shooting a lot 
of issues with REXX at the time and I realized that after opening 10 new 
incidences in the previous week I should sit back and wait and see if it would 
reduce the number of issues. I think I waited two weeks and was one of the 
first to get the PTF and put it on the same day and indeed it did fix 3 of the 
10 issues I had. I was under the gun to get the system up and running as I 
think that was the same CBPDO that I was working on to get the 3800's up and 
running. Which is a whole other story with fixes. When the 3800's first came 
out (the mod 3's) talk about a can of worms.
 Again my memory is iffy as to the numbers but over the 3 or 4 months I ended 
up putting about 100 fixes on for that. That was a nightmare between trouble 
shooting and applying fixes and then trouble shooting again as the fixes did 
not seem to fix my issues. I think I got to be good friends with the crew out 
in Boulder(?) for level 3. One that was up and running the number of fixes 
decreased dramatically. 
Ed





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