Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

2011-01-10 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
There seem to be several tools that convert PDFs to MOBI, 
have you tried all and found them to be unsatisfactory?

All of them? How shall I know I've found all of them :-)
Seriously, I have tried two and neither produced a satisfactory
result.

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SMF exti IEFACTRT write to JOBLOG

2011-01-10 Thread Miklos Szigetvari

Hi

I would like to know the last status of the IEFACTRT and IEFYS routine 
to write to the JOBLOG (JESMSGLG).

Still it is the only way to write to JESMSGLG ?
Any option to get the messages with  at last 1/100 sec time stamps ?

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Re: Date representations: Y2k revisited

2011-01-10 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
Actually, I don't care what you write in.  Sometimes I understand your posts, 
sometimes I don't.  I have to see some evidence of payoff before I research 
bombastic vocabulary.  But as for English:

I'm pretty sure en petit is French and Mirriam-Webster doesn't show it.  I 
thought jejune was French also but M-W has that so I did learn one new English 
word.  I wonder if the opportunity to use it will arrive before it fades from 
memory.

Coloro che sanno is apparently Latin.

You identified dietrologia as Italian.

Your remedy is an equal opportunity one.

-Original Message-
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snip

All this is by the way.  Mr Schwarz wants me to write my posts in a species of 
subliterate English he judges appropriate.  I demur, as I have in the past; 
and, as I have noted in the past too, he has an immediate remedy at hand.  He 
can put my email address on his kill list, which will make me an unperson to 
him and spare him the sight of my posts.

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Re: Date representations: Y2k revisited

2011-01-10 Thread Martin Packer
Coloro che sanno sounds more Italian to me... but then I don't know 
Italian. :-)

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Re: Date representations: Y2k revisited

2011-01-10 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Sam Siegel
 
 On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:12 PM, john gilmore john_w_gilm...@msn.com
wrote:
 
  [ a lot ]
 
 Thank you (once again) for making irrelevant points about useless
trivia.
  Regardless of how we arrived at having multiple formats for storing
dates
 internally, these formats exist and need to be managed.  For those of
us who
 are actual  practitioners of the art, with day-to-day responsibility
for
 keeping systems up and running, versus ivory tower poets, it is well
known
 that superior methods exist but for many practical reasons (ROI,
 resource constraints, risk, time-to-market for new facilities, etc.
ad-
 nauseam) cannot be implemented.
 
 It does no good to chide others about what they do not control and
cannot
 change with comments about a superior way of doing things.  Those
methods
 are only superior if they can actually be implemented.  What is
helpful is
 to provide practical assistance to resolve problems.  And when the
times
 comes, provide assistance in implementing new methods should that
level of
 re-engineering become feasible.
 
 In the venacular, be a team member instead of an armchair quarterback.

In effect, you have just said Shut up to our very own Wizard of Oz.
:-)

-jc-

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Re: Date representations: Y2k revisited

2011-01-10 Thread john gilmore
Joel Ewing's responses to my strictures were, as I expected them to be, wholly 
predictable in character.

Dates, even those in the comparatively respectable FIPs- and ANSI-compatible 
Gregorian descending character-string, mmdd, format inevitably get used; 
and when they are used ad hoc disaster follows with the same inevitability.  
Such questions as
 
o what is the day of the week of the date mmdd?
 
o what is the date MMDD ten business days following the date mmdd?
 
o how many business|working days are available between MMDD  and mmdd?
 
get asked and answered very badly when a format not designed for computation is 
used.  (I have a  rogue's gallery/black museum of COBOL and C and PL/I 
routines, written by people whose knowledge of calendrical computations was 
inadequate, that 1) are wrong from time to time and 2) obtain their results 
using schemes that are so convoluted and bizarre as to be all but unbelievable, 
unless of course one has seen probability problems approached by undergraduates 
who have not yet been taught what a Jacobian is.)
 
For reasons that elude me programmers who would never attempt to write their 
own cosh or present-value subroutine have the chutzpah to do calendrical 
computations badly.
 
Some of what Mr Ewing says is simply wrong.  It does not really matter what 
epoch origin is chosen provided trhat an organization chooses and adheres to 
one.  Conversions are then trivial.  Or again, the argument that a DSN having 
an unknown epoch origin is opaque while a mmdd value is not is simply naif. 
 Incompletely or inadequately documented routines are, of course, problematic; 
but they are problematic in a generic way; and the remedy for them is better 
documentation not adherence to obsolete internal date formats.
 
The Y2k problem provided an opportunity to solve problems that was shirked.  
Date-processing problems that should have been addressed with respectable 
technology were instead papered over with dubious windowing schemes and the 
like.  What is past is prologue, and I know of no organization that did 
significant Y2k remediation that is not now living with the disagreeable 
consequences of having done it badly.
 
But enough!  I have said what I wished to say about this problem.  

John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA

  
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LIST OF DSNS CREATED PRIOR TO 2010

2011-01-10 Thread esmie moo
Good Morning Gentle Readers,
 
Is there a utility that I could use to compile a list of dsns which were 
created in 2009 or before.  My problem is that we do not have the FDR products 
installed in this partition whic could do the trick.  Also, 99% of the dsns are 
archived to ML2.  I was thinking of using IEHLIST etc however that would entail 
in recalling all the dsns to DASD.  I checked the first 3 HLQ's and there are 
about 150,000 dsns.  Should I recall them to dasd I could run the risk of 
saturating the ML0 volumes.
 
Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks in advance.



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Re: LIST OF DSNS CREATED PRIOR TO 2010

2011-01-10 Thread esmie moo
I forgot to mention that I looked at ISMF, however it does not give me the 
option to use a FROM and TO option.

--- On Tue, 1/11/11, esmie moo esmie_...@yahoo.ca wrote:


From: esmie moo esmie_...@yahoo.ca
Subject: LIST OF DSNS CREATED PRIOR TO 2010
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Received: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 2:06 AM


Good Morning Gentle Readers,
 
Is there a utility that I could use to compile a list of dsns which were 
created in 2009 or before.  My problem is that we do not have the FDR products 
installed in this partition whic could do the trick.  Also, 99% of the dsns are 
archived to ML2.  I was thinking of using IEHLIST etc however that would entail 
in recalling all the dsns to DASD.  I checked the first 3 HLQ's and there are 
about 150,000 dsns.  Should I recall them to dasd I could run the risk of 
saturating the ML0 volumes.
 
Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks in advance.



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Re: LIST OF DSNS CREATED PRIOR TO 2010

2011-01-10 Thread Lizette Koehler
 Good Morning Gentle Readers,
 
 Is there a utility that I could use to compile a list of dsns which were
created in 2009 or
 before.  My problem is that we do not have the FDR products installed in
this partition
 whic could do the trick.  Also, 99% of the dsns are archived to ML2.  I
was thinking of
 using IEHLIST etc however that would entail in recalling all the dsns to
DASD.  I
 checked the first 3 HLQ's and there are about 150,000 dsns.  Should I
recall them to
 dasd I could run the risk of saturating the ML0 volumes.
 
 Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 

Do you have any of the following CA products in house?

PDSMAN, CA1, CA-DISK?

If so, you can download and install the CA software GMI (Graphical Manager
Interface) which is CA-Vantage Light.  It can help you with these types of
questions.

I have installed in on my system and works fairly well.

As for the HSM Migrated datasets - you do not need to recall them.  Run an
HLIST on them with either MCDS (Migration), BCDS (Backup ) or BOTH (Both
MCDS/BCDS).  You can then extract the information you need.



Lizette

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Re: LIST OF DSNS CREATED PRIOR TO 2010

2011-01-10 Thread esmie moo
Lizette,
 
I checked there is no CA producst installed on this partition.  I took a closer 
look at ISMF and I noticed it does provide for the feature for getting a dsn 
list using the CREATION DATE, however I am stuck trying in to plug in values in 
the REL OP and Value field.

--- On Tue, 1/11/11, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote:


From: Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: LIST OF DSNS CREATED PRIOR TO 2010
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Received: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 2:14 AM


 Good Morning Gentle Readers,
 
 Is there a utility that I could use to compile a list of dsns which were
created in 2009 or
 before.  My problem is that we do not have the FDR products installed in
this partition
 whic could do the trick.  Also, 99% of the dsns are archived to ML2.  I
was thinking of
 using IEHLIST etc however that would entail in recalling all the dsns to
DASD.  I
 checked the first 3 HLQ's and there are about 150,000 dsns.  Should I
recall them to
 dasd I could run the risk of saturating the ML0 volumes.
 
 Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 

Do you have any of the following CA products in house?

PDSMAN, CA1, CA-DISK?

If so, you can download and install the CA software GMI (Graphical Manager
Interface) which is CA-Vantage Light.  It can help you with these types of
questions.

I have installed in on my system and works fairly well.

As for the HSM Migrated datasets - you do not need to recall them.  Run an
HLIST on them with either MCDS (Migration), BCDS (Backup ) or BOTH (Both
MCDS/BCDS).  You can then extract the information you need.



Lizette

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Re: REXX, the new Cobol ?

2011-01-10 Thread Steve Dover
I still like to count the number of lines of code running production at viable 
companies all around the world, including uptime and reliability.  I bet Cobol 
wins.  I liken us to Cobol (most of us anyway), older, mostly very stable and 
likely to be around for a very long time yet.  Just my $.02 about dying 
languages.

Happy Monday from the snowbound south.  No bread or milk for the week.

On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:34:35 +0100, R.S. 
r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote:

Jan MOEYERSONS pisze:
 On Thu, 6 Jan 2011 23:18:50 +1100, Shane Ginnane ibm-
 m...@tpg.com.au wrote:

 I find myself inexorably drifting away from REXX. Seems to be the dying
 language.

 Are you saying COBOL has died, then?

 If only I got a penny for every line of COBOL written today in the world, I
 could retire this very minute and step up my lifestyle at the same time...

Compare it to other languages, especially in NEW projects.

BTW: I'm not saying anything about COBOL, just commenting the 
measurement.


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Re: Date representations: Y2k revisited

2011-01-10 Thread Shane
Whilst struggling through the latest installments of this somewhat
dry and dusty thread, I happened to be watching a rerun of a BBC show
titled What time is it ?.

Without meaning to be too rude, I must admit I found the discussion of
quantum and string theory and (potential) parallel universes eminently
more interesting than reading about competing calendars.

Shane ...

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Re: LIST OF DSNS CREATED PRIOR TO 2010

2011-01-10 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
esmie moo wrote:
I took a closer look at ISMF and I noticed it does provide for the feature for 
getting a dsn list using the CREATION DATE, however I am stuck trying in to 
plug in values in the REL OP and Value field.

Press your PF key for Help and see this part of screen print:

For example, to display a list containing data sets created during 1983:

   REL OP   VALUE AND/OR  REL OPVALUE   
   -- --  --  --  --
  CREATION DATE   === GE 1983/01/01  AND LE  1983/12/31

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: LIST OF DSNS CREATED PRIOR TO 2010

2011-01-10 Thread esmie moo
Hi Elardus,
 
Thanks for the tip.  I tried your suggestion but I get the errror message 
INVALID CRITERIA.  Below is my input :
 
Creation Date . . . . . . . GE  2009/01/01  AND LE  1983/12/31 

I tried = and  but no luck.

--- On Tue, 1/11/11, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote:


From: Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
Subject: Re: LIST OF DSNS CREATED PRIOR TO 2010
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Received: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 2:41 AM


esmie moo wrote:
I took a closer look at ISMF and I noticed it does provide for the feature for 
getting a dsn list using the CREATION DATE, however I am stuck trying in to 
plug in values in the REL OP and Value field.

Press your PF key for Help and see this part of screen print:

For example, to display a list containing data sets created during 1983:    
                                                                            
                               REL OP   VALUE     AND/OR  REL OP    VALUE   
                               -- --  --  --  --
  CREATION DATE           === GE     1983/01/01  AND     LE      1983/12/31

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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WTP time stamps

2011-01-10 Thread Miklos Szigetvari

Hi

Would like to get in WTP messages the time stamps in 1/100 seconds.
Is it possible in 2011 ?

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Date conversion from char(8) YYYYMMDD to a valid DB2 ISO representations (YYYY-MM-DD)

2011-01-10 Thread Paulo Roberto Leonardo Pereira
Is there how to LOAD (through the LOAD utility) a date in CHAR(8) containing
MMDD to a DB2 ISO date in the format -MM-DD ?

Thanks
Paulo

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Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

2011-01-10 Thread Staller, Allan
snip
We are in the process of upgrade z/OS 1.11 into a SYSPLEX. It is going
to 
be a rolling upgrade. I would like to know how other sites migrate the 
LPARs to the
new WLM couple data sets. Do they only upgrade to the new WLM couple
data 
sets when all the LPARs are upgraded?
/snip

I would just complete the Roll-thru and then re-install the policy. 

There is a note in the conversion guide about *possibly needing a larger
set of couple datasets due to a change in the record length. See
(GA22-74998-15. PP113 (BCP Migration actions - Reallocate the WLM Couple
dataset)).
From a quick perusal of this item it seems that if you do not have *a
lot* (FSVO a lot) of workloads or report classes, you should be
unaffected. However, YMMV!

HTH,

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Looking for mainframe e-mail software

2011-01-10 Thread Mark Regan
We have been using XMITIP for about 10 years now, but now we are looking to 
move beyond it and go with a vendor supported product. I've found 
three products so far:

JES2Mail from CASI Software
SMTP-Send from TBS Software Inc.
VPS/Email from Levi, Ray  Shoup, 
Inc.

but I was wondering if there are any others out there?

Thanks,

Mark Regan

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Re: LIST OF DSNS CREATED PRIOR TO 2010

2011-01-10 Thread Mike Shorkend
Switch the GE and LE.

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 3:49 PM, esmie moo esmie_...@yahoo.ca wrote:

 Hi Elardus,

 Thanks for the tip.  I tried your suggestion but I get the errror message
 INVALID CRITERIA.  Below is my input :

 Creation Date . . . . . . . GE  2009/01/01  AND LE  1983/12/31

 I tried = and  but no luck.

 --- On Tue, 1/11/11, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
 wrote:


 From: Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
 Subject: Re: LIST OF DSNS CREATED PRIOR TO 2010
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Received: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 2:41 AM


 esmie moo wrote:
 I took a closer look at ISMF and I noticed it does provide for the feature
 for
 getting a dsn list using the CREATION DATE, however I am stuck trying in to
 plug in values in the REL OP and Value field.

 Press your PF key for Help and see this part of screen print:

 For example, to display a list containing data sets created during 1983:

REL OP   VALUE AND/OR  REL OP
 VALUE
-- --  --  --
 --
   CREATION DATE   === GE 1983/01/01  AND LE
 1983/12/31

 Groete / Greetings
 Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: LIST OF DSNS CREATED PRIOR TO 2010

2011-01-10 Thread Gary Dawson
Don't you have your GE and LE reversed?



Gary C Dawson


On Jan 10, 2011, at 7:51 AM, esmie moo 
esmie_...@yahoo.camailto:esmie_...@yahoo.ca wrote:

Hi Elardus,

Thanks for the tip.  I tried your suggestion but I get the errror message 
INVALID CRITERIA.  Below is my input :

Creation Date . . . . . . . GE  2009/01/01  AND LE  1983/12/31

I tried = and  but no luck.

--- On Tue, 1/11/11, Elardus Engelbrecht 
mailto:elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.zaelardus.engelbre...@sita.co.zamailto:elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
 wrote:


From: Elardus Engelbrecht 
mailto:elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.zaelardus.engelbre...@sita.co.zamailto:elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
Subject: Re: LIST OF DSNS CREATED PRIOR TO 2010
To: mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 
IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edumailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Received: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 2:41 AM


esmie moo wrote:
I took a closer look at ISMF and I noticed it does provide for the feature for
getting a dsn list using the CREATION DATE, however I am stuck trying in to
plug in values in the REL OP and Value field.

Press your PF key for Help and see this part of screen print:

For example, to display a list containing data sets created during 1983:

   REL OP   VALUE AND/OR  REL OPVALUE
   -- --  --  --  --
  CREATION DATE   === GE 1983/01/01  AND LE  1983/12/31

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: LIST OF DSNS CREATED PRIOR TO 2010

2011-01-10 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
esmie moo wrote:

Thanks for the tip. 

Big Lion Pleasure! 

I tried your suggestion but I get the errror message INVALID CRITERIA.  
Below is my input :
 
Creation Date . . . . . . . GE  2009/01/01  AND LE  1983/12/31 

The left date must be smaller than the right one (if you must use both fields). 

You want the dates like this GE (Greater or Equal) than 2009/01/01 AND

LE (Less or Equal) than 2009/12/31

HTH!

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: LIST OF DSNS CREATED PRIOR TO 2010

2011-01-10 Thread Gonzalo Cengotita
I use DCOLLECT, with MIGRATEDATA option, then with SORT or REXX you can
extract these files. This is an example with ICETOOL:

//TOOLINDD  *
   SORT FROM(INDD) TO(OUTDD1) USING(CPY2)
   DISPLAY FROM(OUTDD1) LIST(REPSMS) BLANK -
   DATE(DMY.) TITLE('title) PAGE -
   HEADER('File   ')  ON(29,44,CH) -
   HEADER('Used Space')ON(97,4,FI)  -
   HEADER('Cre Date')   ON(109,4,PD) -
   HEADER('Last ref')   ON(117,4,PD)
//CPY2CNTL DD *
   OPTION VLSHRT
   SORT FIELDS=(6,44,A),FORMAT=BI
Regards

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On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:06 PM, esmie moo esmie_...@yahoo.ca wrote:

 Good Morning Gentle Readers,

 Is there a utility that I could use to compile a list of dsns which were
 created in 2009 or before.  My problem is that we do not have the FDR
 products installed in this partition whic could do the trick.  Also, 99% of
 the dsns are archived to ML2.  I was thinking of using IEHLIST etc however
 that would entail in recalling all the dsns to DASD.  I checked the first 3
 HLQ's and there are about 150,000 dsns.  Should I recall them to dasd I
 could run the risk of saturating the ML0 volumes.

 Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 Thanks in advance.



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Re: LIST OF DSNS CREATED PRIOR TO 2010

2011-01-10 Thread esmie moo
Elardus,
 
It works.  
 
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From: Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
Subject: Re: LIST OF DSNS CREATED PRIOR TO 2010
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Received: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 2:41 AM


esmie moo wrote:
I took a closer look at ISMF and I noticed it does provide for the feature for 
getting a dsn list using the CREATION DATE, however I am stuck trying in to 
plug in values in the REL OP and Value field.

Press your PF key for Help and see this part of screen print:

For example, to display a list containing data sets created during 1983:    
                                                                            
                               REL OP   VALUE     AND/OR  REL OP    VALUE   
                               -- --  --  --  --
  CREATION DATE           === GE     1983/01/01  AND     LE      1983/12/31

Groete / Greetings
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Re: CMS Sort Descending?

2011-01-10 Thread Larry Dinwiddie
Simple fix:

Pipe command LISTFILE fn ft fm (ISO NOH | sort 57.19 d |  sorted list a

CMS has been able to do this since the 90's, I just didn't think about
it.


Larry


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Subject: Re: CMS Sort Descending?

On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:33:58 -0700, Larry Dinwiddie wrote:

Run the following PIPE from your Ready prompt

pipe command LISTFILE fn ft fm (DA | sort 63.2 d 57.5 d 66.8 d | 
sorted list a

I tried that, and I got Y2K problems.

How quickly we forget.

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Re: Looking for mainframe e-mail software

2011-01-10 Thread McKown, John
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 We have been using XMITIP for about 10 years now, but now we 
 are looking to move beyond it and go with a vendor supported 
 product. I've found 
 three products so far:
 
 JES2Mail from CASI Software
 SMTP-Send from TBS Software Inc.
 VPS/Email from Levi, Ray  Shoup, 
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 but I was wondering if there are any others out there?
 
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Re: Date representations: Y2k revisited

2011-01-10 Thread Ted MacNEIL
All this is by the way.  Mr Schwarz wants me to write my posts in a species of 
subliterate English he judges appropriate.  I demur

Of course you do!
Most people communicate to communicate.
You communicate to show off your arrogance.

If somebody does not understand the written words, it is not the reader's fault.
Rather, it's the author's.

Your posts just show your high oipinion of yourself; something not shared by 
many.

I don't care, this time, if this is considered an ad hominem attack.

And, I'm not going to bother to make any more responses to this thread, nor you.

I'm going to avail myself of the opportunity you suggested and update my kill 
list.
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RES: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

2011-01-10 Thread ITURIEL DO NASCIMENTO NETO
Allan,

If you have all coexistence PTFs applied then there is no need
to change your WLM CDS datasets, just catalog them into your new MCAT.

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Assunto: Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

snip
We are in the process of upgrade z/OS 1.11 into a SYSPLEX. It is going
to
be a rolling upgrade. I would like to know how other sites migrate the
LPARs to the
new WLM couple data sets. Do they only upgrade to the new WLM couple
data
sets when all the LPARs are upgraded?
/snip

I would just complete the Roll-thru and then re-install the policy.

There is a note in the conversion guide about *possibly needing a larger
set of couple datasets due to a change in the record length. See
(GA22-74998-15. PP113 (BCP Migration actions - Reallocate the WLM Couple
dataset)).
From a quick perusal of this item it seems that if you do not have *a
lot* (FSVO a lot) of workloads or report classes, you should be
unaffected. However, YMMV!

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Re: can I dynamically increase tso size

2011-01-10 Thread Tom Marchant
On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:54:20 -0500, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote:

At 9:17 AM -0500 on 01/09/2011, Bob Rutledge wrote about Re: can I
dynamically increase tso size:

- Allocate a dataset RECFM=VB, LRECL=27000

- Populate it with 75,000 5-byte records (one data byte)

You'll end up with a seven-track dataset which is too big for the ISPF editor.

Why is it too big? I'd assume it was due to the 40byte per record
overhead. I see it only coming in at 4MB of space (75000 * 45 bytes
per record).

Bob told you why it is too big.
Obviously you didn't test it.

Your vote doesn't count, neither does Bob's or mine.
Only the computer's vote matters.  It works the way it works.

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Re: Date conversion from char(8) YYYYMMDD to a valid DB2 ISO representations (YYYY-MM-DD)

2011-01-10 Thread Blaicher, Chris
Wrong forum.  You want the DB2-L forum.


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Subject: Date conversion from char(8) MMDD to a valid DB2 ISO 
representations (-MM-DD)

Is there how to LOAD (through the LOAD utility) a date in CHAR(8) containing
MMDD to a DB2 ISO date in the format -MM-DD ?

Thanks
Paulo

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Re: SMPE 3.5 and Message Severity

2011-01-10 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In m28ki6h6fmcg5stvv8purviivel6o25...@4ax.com, on 01/09/2011
   at 10:54 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com said:

There are publicly available manuals that provide the translation.

No. There are publicly available manuals that list all of the
available message formats for a given message number. Why should I
play guessing games when the OP can supply the exact text?
 
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Re: Date representations: Y2k revisited

2011-01-10 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In snt113-w614e7c80dd20c171926de4c6...@phx.gbl, on 01/09/2011
   at 10:20 PM, john gilmore john_w_gilm...@msn.com said:

Admiral Hopper, who was as mathematician, said that she used
one-origin tables when talking to accountants and zero-origin arrays
when talking to her quondam Harvard colleagues. 

One-origin numbering of, e.g., chapters, pages, is the norm in
Mathematics texts and papers. 
 
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calculation of device usingdelay by RMF

2011-01-10 Thread Johnny Luo
Hi, list,

Here is what WLM does:

WLM adds, to the address space or enclave using I/O count, the number of
dispatchable
units that have an I/O operation in the connect state that is moving data
through the
channel. This is done at every sample.

WLM adds, to the address space or enclave delay I/O count, the number of
dispatchable
units (multiple state) that have an I/O operation in the IOS queue or in
pending state
(delayed by channel, control unit, or shared DASD device) in the channel
subsystem, that
is, the channel program that is delayed. This is done at every sample.

And WLM removed the disconnect time from sampling at all.

Does the above apply to RMF?

I cannot find the answer from manuals.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Johnny Luo

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Re: can I dynamically increase tso size

2011-01-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:39:01 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote:

Your vote doesn't count, neither does Bob's or mine.
Only the computer's vote matters.  It works the way it works.

No.  Often the computer can be outvoted by the IS executives'
wallets.  It happens; it's discussed here, regardless that the
channel of campaign literature is often airline magazines.

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Re: can I dynamically increase tso size

2011-01-10 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:04:50 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:39:01 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote:

Your vote doesn't count, neither does Bob's or mine.
Only the computer's vote matters.  It works the way it works.

No.  Often the computer can be outvoted by the IS executives'
wallets.  It happens; it's discussed here, regardless that the
channel of campaign literature is often airline magazines.

My reference was with regard to how it works.  IS executives are 
not going to change that.  They might be able to get IBM to change 
the code.  They can certainly dump the platform.  If we all think 
that it works one way, one test can prove us all wrong.

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Will JES2 Hot start if a member of a JES2 plex is restarted

2011-01-10 Thread Cifani, Domenic
Hi

I updated our JES2 parm to include a new LOADMOD and EXIT, I plan to recycle 
JES2 on one of our system JES2 Plex systems.  Will Jes2 perform a HOT Start and 
not read and LOAD the new LOADMOD and EXIT within the JES2 PARM?  I know I can 
add the LOADMOD and EXIT dynamically I just want to try it this way.

Domenic 


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Re: Looking for mainframe e-mail software

2011-01-10 Thread Mark Post
 On 1/10/2011 at 08:52 AM, Mark Regan netsfw_sysp...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 We have been using XMITIP for about 10 years now, but now we are looking to 
 move beyond it and go with a vendor supported product. I've found 
 three products so far:
 
 JES2Mail from CASI Software
 SMTP-Send from TBS Software Inc.
 VPS/Email from Levi, Ray  Shoup, 
 Inc.
 
 but I was wondering if there are any others out there?

What functionality do you need besides what's provided by the SMTP server 
included in Comm. Server?


Mark Post

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Re: Date representations: Y2k revisited

2011-01-10 Thread Bill Fairchild
Many of us have posted complaints about mainframe technical questions that 
could have been easily answered with only a modicum of self-directed research, 
commonly known as RTFM, on the part of the OP.  This same helpful hint applies 
equally to the non-mainframe-specific portion of a post.  Instead of chiding 
others for not deliberately dumbing down their writing to my inferior level of 
English fluency, I often (but don't always) remember to research the unknown 
before asking the entire IBM-MAIN subscriber list to explain it to me or to 
sympathize with my emotion or abridged vocabulary.

The first time I encountered the phrase coloro che sanno in a John Gilmore 
post a few years ago, I used Google to understand the phrase before sheepishly 
exposing, or proudly proclaiming, my ignorance to all of IBM-MAIN.   I have 
also used Google many times to decode urban slang, texting abbreviations, 
arcane English words, and many other foreign words and phrases that appear in 
posts.

Having done some research into calendars long ago, I found much of the calendar 
thread very interesting.  I would also like to learn more about quantum and 
string theories, mainframe architecture, DASD, new instructions, XCF, Italian, 
and ten thousand other topics.

Bill Fairchild
Rocket Software

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Whilst struggling through the latest installments of this somewhat dry and 
dusty thread, I happened to be watching a rerun of a BBC show titled What time 
is it ?.

Without meaning to be too rude, I must admit I found the discussion of quantum 
and string theory and (potential) parallel universes eminently more interesting 
than reading about competing calendars.

Shane ...

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GSE UK - Enterprise Security Working Group

2011-01-10 Thread Mark Wilson
Hi, 

I am pleased to announce the next meeting of the GSE UK Enterprise Security
Working Group, which will take place on Thursday 10th February at IBM
Warwick. 

Full details and Agenda can be found at
http://www.racf.gse.org.uk/future.html

If you wish to attend the meeting please send me an email and I will add you
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RES: Will JES2 Hot start if a member of a JES2 plex is restarted

2011-01-10 Thread ITURIEL DO NASCIMENTO NETO
AFAIK Jes2 will reload only already defined exits.
New exits are ignored.

Atenciosamente / Regards / Saludos

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Enviada em: segunda-feira, 10 de janeiro de 2011 14:36
Para: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Assunto: Will JES2 Hot start if a member of a JES2 plex is restarted

Hi

I updated our JES2 parm to include a new LOADMOD and EXIT, I plan to recycle 
JES2 on one of our system JES2 Plex systems.  Will Jes2 perform a HOT Start and 
not read and LOAD the new LOADMOD and EXIT within the JES2 PARM?  I know I can 
add the LOADMOD and EXIT dynamically I just want to try it this way.

Domenic


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Re: Date representations: Y2k revisited

2011-01-10 Thread Sam Siegel
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Bill Fairchild bi...@mainstar.com wrote:

 Many of us have posted complaints about mainframe technical questions that
 could have been easily answered with only a modicum of self-directed
 research, commonly known as RTFM, on the part of the OP.  This same helpful
 hint applies equally to the non-mainframe-specific portion of a post.
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 to research the unknown before asking the entire IBM-MAIN subscriber list to
 explain it to me or to sympathize with my emotion or abridged vocabulary.

 The first time I encountered the phrase coloro che sanno in a John
 Gilmore post a few years ago, I used Google to understand the phrase before
 sheepishly exposing, or proudly proclaiming, my ignorance to all of
 IBM-MAIN.   I have also used Google many times to decode urban slang,
 texting abbreviations, arcane English words, and many other foreign words
 and phrases that appear in posts.

 Having done some research into calendars long ago, I found much of the
 calendar thread very interesting.  I would also like to learn more about
 quantum and string theories, mainframe architecture, DASD, new instructions,
 XCF, Italian, and ten thousand other topics.


Bill, I lookup each word / phrase also.  It is very educational.

It is the thin skinned, condescending, arrogant, chip-on-the-shoulder and
holier-than-thou manner in which they are delivered, along with the
consistent rejection that there are other possibility sufficiently correct
answers that make Gilmore's posts unpalatable.

Sam


 Bill Fairchild
 Rocket Software

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
 Behalf Of Shane
 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:38 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: Date representations: Y2k revisited

 Whilst struggling through the latest installments of this somewhat dry and
 dusty thread, I happened to be watching a rerun of a BBC show titled What
 time is it ?.

 Without meaning to be too rude, I must admit I found the discussion of
 quantum and string theory and (potential) parallel universes eminently more
 interesting than reading about competing calendars.

 Shane ...

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Re: Looking for mainframe e-mail software

2011-01-10 Thread Mark Regan
I'm looking for a replacement for Lionel Dyck's XMITIP REXX program, so the 
product needs to be able to do what it does.

 Thanks,

Mark Regan


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Cc:
Sent:Monday, January 10, 2011 12:06:19 PM
Subject:Re: Looking for mainframe e-mail software

 On 1/10/2011 at 08:52 AM, Mark Regan netsfw_sysp...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 We have been using XMITIP for about 10 years now, but now we are looking to 
 move beyond it and go with a vendor supported product. I've found 
 three products so far:
 
 JES2Mail from CASI Software
 SMTP-Send from TBS Software Inc.
 VPS/Email from Levi, Ray  Shoup, 
 Inc.
 
 but I was wondering if there are any others out there?

What functionality do you need besides what's provided by the SMTP server 
included in Comm. Server?


Mark Post

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Re: Date representations: Y2k revisited

2011-01-10 Thread Scott Rowe
Agreed.

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Sam Siegel s...@pscsi.net wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Bill Fairchild bi...@mainstar.com
 wrote:

  Many of us have posted complaints about mainframe technical questions
 that
  could have been easily answered with only a modicum of self-directed
  research, commonly known as RTFM, on the part of the OP.  This same
 helpful
  hint applies equally to the non-mainframe-specific portion of a post.
   Instead of chiding others for not deliberately dumbing down their
 writing
  to my inferior level of English fluency, I often (but don't always)
 remember
  to research the unknown before asking the entire IBM-MAIN subscriber list
 to
  explain it to me or to sympathize with my emotion or abridged vocabulary.
 
  The first time I encountered the phrase coloro che sanno in a John
  Gilmore post a few years ago, I used Google to understand the phrase
 before
  sheepishly exposing, or proudly proclaiming, my ignorance to all of
  IBM-MAIN.   I have also used Google many times to decode urban slang,
  texting abbreviations, arcane English words, and many other foreign words
  and phrases that appear in posts.
 
  Having done some research into calendars long ago, I found much of the
  calendar thread very interesting.  I would also like to learn more about
  quantum and string theories, mainframe architecture, DASD, new
 instructions,
  XCF, Italian, and ten thousand other topics.
 

 Bill, I lookup each word / phrase also.  It is very educational.

 It is the thin skinned, condescending, arrogant, chip-on-the-shoulder and
 holier-than-thou manner in which they are delivered, along with the
 consistent rejection that there are other possibility sufficiently correct
 answers that make Gilmore's posts unpalatable.

 Sam

 
  Bill Fairchild
  Rocket Software
 
  -Original Message-
  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
  Behalf Of Shane
  Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:38 AM
  To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
  Subject: Re: Date representations: Y2k revisited
 
  Whilst struggling through the latest installments of this somewhat dry
 and
  dusty thread, I happened to be watching a rerun of a BBC show titled
 What
  time is it ?.
 
  Without meaning to be too rude, I must admit I found the discussion of
  quantum and string theory and (potential) parallel universes eminently
 more
  interesting than reading about competing calendars.
 
  Shane ...
 
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Generating a CSR from the HMC

2011-01-10 Thread Martin Kline
Does anyone know how to generate a CSR (Certificate Signing Request) from
the z-Series HMC so I can send it to a certificate authority, which can then
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The HMC has some sort of default user-signed SSL certificate that is
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The HMC seems to have the ability to upload an externally-generated
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Re: Looking for mainframe e-mail software

2011-01-10 Thread Pinnacle
- Original Message - 
From: Mark Regan netsfw_sysp...@yahoo.com

Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:03 AM
Subject: Looking for mainframe e-mail software


We have been using XMITIP for about 10 years now, but now we are looking 
to move beyond it and go with a vendor supported product. I've found

three products so far:

JES2Mail from CASI Software
SMTP-Send from TBS Software Inc.
VPS/Email from Levi, Ray  Shoup,
Inc.

but I was wondering if there are any others out there?



**This is not an ad, just a clarification to misinformation that XMITIP is 
not a vendor-supported product.**


LBDSoftware and Pinnacle Consulting Group, Inc. have a partnership to 
provide vendor support for XMITIP.  Please contact Lionel or myself for 
information.


Regards,
Thomas Conley, President/CEO
Pinnacle Consulting Group, Inc.
59 Applewood Drive
Rochester, NY  14612-3501
P:  (585)720-0012
F:  (585)723-3713
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Re: Date representations: Y2k revisited

2011-01-10 Thread Tony's FRONTIER account
Hey everybody, let's calm down a piece. I post very infrequently and on even 
more infrequent occasions when JG commented, he was nice to me. OK, so 
there's words appearing that not all of us recognize, so what? I've googled 
to build my own knowledge of English (which I boast is well enough already) 
and treated the opportunity as simply that, an opportunity.


And, just a few weeks ago he treated us to a poem!  It made my (hopefully 
Friday) afternoon.


P.S. I considered the adjective highfalutin to describe certain words in 
past posts, but upon looking it up I found it inappropriate. I hope others 
do as well, though I will always respect opinions contrary to mine.


TB.



snipping started



 Many of us have posted complaints about mainframe technical questions
that
 could have been easily answered with only a modicum of self-directed
 research, commonly known as RTFM, on the part of the OP.  This same
helpful




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Re: Looking for mainframe e-mail software

2011-01-10 Thread Steve Comstock

On 1/10/2011 12:14 PM, Pinnacle wrote:

- Original Message - From: Mark Regan netsfw_sysp...@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:03 AM
Subject: Looking for mainframe e-mail software



We have been using XMITIP for about 10 years now, but now we are looking to
move beyond it and go with a vendor supported product. I've found
three products so far:

JES2Mail from CASI Software
SMTP-Send from TBS Software Inc.
VPS/Email from Levi, Ray  Shoup,
Inc.

but I was wondering if there are any others out there?



**This is not an ad, just a clarification to misinformation that XMITIP is not a
vendor-supported product.**

LBDSoftware and Pinnacle Consulting Group, Inc. have a partnership to provide
vendor support for XMITIP. Please contact Lionel or myself for information.


Hmm. I didn't realize that. Thanks for letting us know.




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Re: h_errno undefined

2011-01-10 Thread Don Poitras
Global externals are resolved differently for XPLINK or regular
compiles. You probably just need to add SCEEOBJ to your autocall libs.
See this:

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/cbcug190/A.12

Charles Mills wrote:
 
 No. As I said, I coded exactly what the IBM reference suggested.
 
 Is h_errno related to errno.h? I did not think it was. The documentation for
 each would seem to suggest that they are unrelated.
 
 Charles
 
 -Original Message-
 From: MVS OpenEdition [mailto:mvs...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of David
 Bruton
 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:49 AM
 To: mvs...@vm.marist.edu
 Subject: Re: [MVS-OE] h_errno undefined
 
 Are  you including errno.h ?

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Re: Date representations: Y2k revisited

2011-01-10 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Tony's FRONTIER account wrote:

Hey everybody, let's calm down a piece. 

At last. 

when John Gilmore commented, 

No one in IBM-MAIN can stay neutral [1] when he post. ;-D

I'm outta this thread before Big D chimes in this off-topic thread.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

[1] - It is hard work to be neutral. the *other* party thinks I'm on their 
enemy's side sigh ;-D

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Re: Looking for mainframe e-mail software

2011-01-10 Thread Mark Regan
Well that partnership must be very new as I have not seen or heard anything 
about it. Nothing has ever been posted on the XMITIP user group on Yahoo Groups 
either.
 Thanks,

Mark Regan


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Cc:
Sent:Monday, January 10, 2011 2:14:14 PM
Subject:Re: Looking for mainframe e-mail software

- Original Message - From: Mark Regan netsfw_sysp...@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:03 AM
Subject: Looking for mainframe e-mail software


 We have been using XMITIP for about 10 years now, but now we are looking to 
 move beyond it and go with a vendor supported product. I've found
 three products so far:
 
 JES2Mail from CASI Software
 SMTP-Send from TBS Software Inc.
 VPS/Email from Levi, Ray  Shoup,
 Inc.
 
 but I was wondering if there are any others out there?
 

**This is not an ad, just a clarification to misinformation that XMITIP is not 
a vendor-supported product.**

LBDSoftware and Pinnacle Consulting Group, Inc. have a partnership to provide 
vendor support for XMITIP.  Please contact Lionel or myself for information.

Regards,
Thomas Conley, President/CEO
Pinnacle Consulting Group, Inc.
59 Applewood Drive
Rochester, NY  14612-3501
P:  (585)720-0012
F:  (585)723-3713
http://home.roadrunner.com/~pinncons/

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Re: h_errno undefined

2011-01-10 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks much. Looks like a promising answer. I am heads-down on a new bunch
of alligators at the moment. Will try to give it a try later this week.

Charles

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Of Don Poitras
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 11:31 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: h_errno undefined

Global externals are resolved differently for XPLINK or regular
compiles. You probably just need to add SCEEOBJ to your autocall libs.
See this:

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/cbcug190/A.12

Charles Mills wrote:
 
 No. As I said, I coded exactly what the IBM reference suggested.
 
 Is h_errno related to errno.h? I did not think it was. The documentation
for
 each would seem to suggest that they are unrelated.
 
 Charles
 
 -Original Message-
 From: MVS OpenEdition [mailto:mvs...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of David
 Bruton
 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:49 AM
 To: mvs...@vm.marist.edu
 Subject: Re: [MVS-OE] h_errno undefined
 
 Are  you including errno.h ?

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Re: Question About run REXX Under TSO

2011-01-10 Thread Sergio Lima
Hello Mr. Thomas,
 
Thanks a lot for your Help.
 
Now, We can use our REXX program, with Dynamic Definitions.
 
Very good and interesting your material.
 
Our REXX run so:
 
/*   rexx  */ 
TRACE R   
address 'ISPEXEC' 'LIBDEF ISPMLIB LIBRARY ID()'   
address 'ISPEXEC' 'LIBDEF ISPPLIB LIBRARY ID()'   
ALTLIB ACTIVATE APPL(CLIST) DA(WMQ600.SCSQEXEC) 
ALLOC DDNAME(WMQMMLIB) DSNAME('WMQ600.ACSQMSGE') SHR
ALLOC DDNAME(WMQMPLIB) DSNAME('WMQ600.ACSQPNLA') SHR
ALLOC FI(SYSUEXEC) SHR DA('WMQ600.SCSQEXEC')
ALLOC FI(SYSUPROC) SHR DA('WMQ600.SCSQPROC')
address 'ISPEXEC' 'LIBDEF ISPMLIB LIBRARY ID(WMQMMLIB)'   
address 'ISPEXEC' 'LIBDEF ISPPLIB LIBRARY ID(WMQMPLIB)'   
address 'ISPEXEC' SELECT CMD(%CSQOREXX WMQ600) NEWAPPL(MQP1) PASSLIB
address 'ISPEXEC' 'LIBDEF ISPMLIB LIBRARY ID()'   
address 'ISPEXEC' 'LIBDEF ISPPLIB LIBRARY ID()'   
 
Thanks again, and Best Regards.
 
Sergio
 
 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 09:33:39 -0500
 From: pinnc...@rochester.rr.com
 Subject: Re: Question About run REXX Under TSO
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Sergio Lima sergio...@hotmail.com
 Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
 Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 8:42 AM
 Subject: Question About run REXX Under TSO
 
 
  Hello List,
 
  I'm tring use here, the REXX program CSQOREXX , under TSO.
 
  So, We insert in my procedure of LOGON the library's need for run this, 
  but something is wrong, and I can't see.
 
  Our procedure of LOGON is now this :
 
  //IKJSUP EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01,DYNAMNBR=500,PARM=ISPSUP
  //STEPLIB DD DISP=SHR,DSN=DIT.SDITMOD1
  // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=WMQ600.SCSQANLE
  // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=WMQ600.SCSQAUTH
  //SYSPROC DD DISP=SHR,DSN=CPAC.CMDPROC
  //SYSEXEC DD DISP=SHR,DSN=WMQ600.SCSQEXEC
  //ISPPLIB DD DISP=SHR,DSN=WMQ600.SCSQPNLA
  // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=WMQ600.SCSQPNLE
  //ISPLLIB DD DISP=SHR,DSN=WMQ600.SCSQAUTH
  //SYSHELP DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS1.HELP
  // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS1.HELPENP
  // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=ISP.SISPHELP
  // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=ISF.SISFHELP
  // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS1.SBDTHELP
  //SYSLBC DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS1.BRODCAST
  //SYSPRINT DD TERM=TS,SYSOUT=*
  //SYSTERM DD TERM=TS,SYSOUT=*
 
 
 Sergio,
 
 You can run the MQ dialog dynamically without changing the logon proc. Take 
 a look at my Dynamic ISPF SHARE presentation at my web site below. Let me 
 know if you have any questions.
 
 Regards,
 Thomas Conley, President/CEO
 Pinnacle Consulting Group, Inc.
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Re: Looking for mainframe e-mail software

2011-01-10 Thread Wissink, Brad [ITSYS]
SYSM from HW.  It runs in CICS.

Brad Wissink
Information Technology Services
Iowa State University
515-294-3088

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Mark Regan
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 1:54 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Looking for mainframe e-mail software

Well that partnership must be very new as I have not seen or heard anything 
about it. Nothing has ever been posted on the XMITIP user group on Yahoo Groups 
either.
 Thanks,

Mark Regan


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Cc:
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Subject:Re: Looking for mainframe e-mail software

- Original Message - From: Mark Regan netsfw_sysp...@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:03 AM
Subject: Looking for mainframe e-mail software


 We have been using XMITIP for about 10 years now, but now we are looking to 
 move beyond it and go with a vendor supported product. I've found
 three products so far:
 
 JES2Mail from CASI Software
 SMTP-Send from TBS Software Inc.
 VPS/Email from Levi, Ray  Shoup,
 Inc.
 
 but I was wondering if there are any others out there?
 

**This is not an ad, just a clarification to misinformation that XMITIP is not 
a vendor-supported product.**

LBDSoftware and Pinnacle Consulting Group, Inc. have a partnership to provide 
vendor support for XMITIP.  Please contact Lionel or myself for information.

Regards,
Thomas Conley, President/CEO
Pinnacle Consulting Group, Inc.
59 Applewood Drive
Rochester, NY  14612-3501
P:  (585)720-0012
F:  (585)723-3713
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Re: can I dynamically increase tso size

2011-01-10 Thread Mike Schwab
((LRECL+40)*RECORD_COUNT)+overhead=needed region size.
((27000 + 40) = 27,040 * 75,000 = 2,028,000,000 + overhead.

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com wrote:
 On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:54:20 -0500, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote:

At 9:17 AM -0500 on 01/09/2011, Bob Rutledge wrote about Re: can I
dynamically increase tso size:

- Allocate a dataset RECFM=VB, LRECL=27000

- Populate it with 75,000 5-byte records (one data byte)

You'll end up with a seven-track dataset which is too big for the ISPF 
editor.

Why is it too big? I'd assume it was due to the 40byte per record
overhead. I see it only coming in at 4MB of space (75000 * 45 bytes
per record).

 Bob told you why it is too big.
 Obviously you didn't test it.

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Re: Looking for mainframe e-mail software

2011-01-10 Thread Petersen, Jim
You can also send email with CA-Spool.

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Subject: Looking for mainframe e-mail software

We have been using XMITIP for about 10 years now, but now we are looking to 
move beyond it and go with a vendor supported product. I've found
three products so far:

JES2Mail from CASI Software
SMTP-Send from TBS Software Inc.
VPS/Email from Levi, Ray  Shoup,
Inc.

but I was wondering if there are any others out there?

Thanks,

Mark Regan

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search for usage

2011-01-10 Thread Sam Siegel
Hello list,

Does anyone have any analysis (which can be shared) related to SuperC's
Search-For CPU usage?

Thanks,
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Re: search for usage

2011-01-10 Thread Chris Craddock

 Does anyone have any analysis (which can be shared) related to SuperC's
 Search-For CPU usage?



Its not exactly a gauzy sheer chiffon dress, but who cares? You're only
going to use it now and then (when you need it) on moderate sized datasets
right?



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Re: search for usage

2011-01-10 Thread Sam Siegel
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Chris Craddock crashlu...@gmail.comwrote:

 
  Does anyone have any analysis (which can be shared) related to SuperC's
  Search-For CPU usage?
 

 LOL ... Never heard of software referred to that way ... I was just looking
for a side project for practicing  sharpening some zIIP offload code and
this seemed like a good 'free be' utility to convert.

Really just looking for some crude benchmarks


 Its not exactly a gauzy sheer chiffon dress, but who cares? You're only
 going to use it now and then (when you need it) on moderate sized datasets
 right?



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Re: h_errno undefined

2011-01-10 Thread Charles Mills
Yow! S0C4 on my very first function call in the main program module.

I'm going to abandon this effort for now. I am diagnosing that the name is
no good; the user should be able to live with that. The right medium-term
answer is probably to use getaddrinfo() rather than gethostbyname().

Charles

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Global externals are resolved differently for XPLINK or regular
compiles. You probably just need to add SCEEOBJ to your autocall libs.
See this:

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/cbcug190/A.12

Charles Mills wrote:
 
 No. As I said, I coded exactly what the IBM reference suggested.
 
 Is h_errno related to errno.h? I did not think it was. The documentation
for
 each would seem to suggest that they are unrelated.
 
 Charles
 
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Re: Looking for mainframe e-mail software

2011-01-10 Thread Hank Oerlemans
I was quite fond of a thing called from memo from Verimation many moons 
ago.
http://www.verimation.se/

Left the company that had it before I got to see how it progressed.

Hank

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2098 Hardware PSP Buckets

2011-01-10 Thread Carlos Bodra
 

Hello,
 I'm trouble about what I got as a result of my research using
ibmlink
 user.
 I access ibmlink and select PSP option in ServiceLink system. In PSP
page,
 I select Hardware Search.
 In Device now I type 2098. This is z10 BC machine type. Until now
all is
 fine and works well.
 After I click Submit I got a PSP Subsets listings. Since we run
z/os, I
 click over 2098/zos subset.
 As a result, I got 2098 device zos subset PSP.
 Problems starts now. Since I need to update out z/os 1.9 to support
new
 z10 that will replace out z800.
 Migration to a current release will be done over this year, but not
now.
 At bottom of page, I click over Order All option. This option give
me a
 response of 330 pts were selected at Continue bottom, I got ptf
numbers. 
 Continue bottom again and is showed Order PTF page to select 
 Eletronic or midia order etc... Since I select to ship Requesits and
PE's
 I finish order.
 After some time, I receive in my email a list of ordered ptf's. Now
I
 detect problem. If I check first PTF pre and co requisites in SIS
option 
 of ServiceLink and discover that no pre and/or requisite ptf's were
included 
 in order. 
 My question is how I can got hardware PSP for 2098 with all
necessary
 PTF's (pre/co requisites and PE's).
 I tried same for out new storage and IBM DS6800 (Machine type 1750)
and no
 pre/co requisites comes with order.
 Comments and tips are welcome.
 Thanks a lot in advance 
 Carlos

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Re: 2098 Hardware PSP Buckets

2011-01-10 Thread zSeries Systems Programmer
I would recommend that you download the PSPTOOL and use it against  a
current PSP extract file and your SMP/E target zone.  This will give
you everything you need.  If you don't have the SMP/E zone yet because
of doing an upgrade, the make sure you load all the current
maintenance when you build your new environment.

On Monday, January 10, 2011, Carlos Bodra cbo...@terra.com.br wrote:


         Hello,
  I'm trouble about what I got as a result of my research using
 ibmlink
  user.
  I access ibmlink and select PSP option in ServiceLink system. In PSP
 page,
  I select Hardware Search.
  In Device now I type 2098. This is z10 BC machine type. Until now
 all is
  fine and works well.
  After I click Submit I got a PSP Subsets listings. Since we run
 z/os, I
  click over 2098/zos subset.
  As a result, I got 2098 device zos subset PSP.
  Problems starts now. Since I need to update out z/os 1.9 to support
 new
  z10 that will replace out z800.
  Migration to a current release will be done over this year, but not
 now.
  At bottom of page, I click over Order All option. This option give
 me a
  response of 330 pts were selected at Continue bottom, I got ptf
 numbers.
  Continue bottom again and is showed Order PTF page to select
  Eletronic or midia order etc... Since I select to ship Requesits and
 PE's
  I finish order.
  After some time, I receive in my email a list of ordered ptf's. Now
 I
  detect problem. If I check first PTF pre and co requisites in SIS
 option
  of ServiceLink and discover that no pre and/or requisite ptf's were
 included
  in order.
  My question is how I can got hardware PSP for 2098 with all
 necessary
  PTF's (pre/co requisites and PE's).
  I tried same for out new storage and IBM DS6800 (Machine type 1750)
 and no
  pre/co requisites comes with order.
  Comments and tips are welcome.
  Thanks a lot in advance
  Carlos

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Re: 2098 Hardware PSP Buckets

2011-01-10 Thread Doug Fuerst
I* never really get much from ServiceLink on PSP's. ResourceLink is much 
more helpful. I don't know whyjust one of those mysteries that makes 
life interesting


Doug


On 1/10/2011 6:24 PM, Carlos Bodra wrote:



Hello,
  I'm trouble about what I got as a result of my research using
ibmlink
  user.
  I access ibmlink and select PSP option in ServiceLink system. In PSP
page,
  I select Hardware Search.
  In Device now I type 2098. This is z10 BC machine type. Until now
all is
  fine and works well.
  After I click Submit I got a PSP Subsets listings. Since we run
z/os, I
  click over 2098/zos subset.
  As a result, I got 2098 device zos subset PSP.
  Problems starts now. Since I need to update out z/os 1.9 to support
new
  z10 that will replace out z800.
  Migration to a current release will be done over this year, but not
now.
  At bottom of page, I click over Order All option. This option give
me a
  response of 330 pts were selected at Continue bottom, I got ptf
numbers.
  Continue bottom again and is showed Order PTF page to select
  Eletronic or midia order etc... Since I select to ship Requesits and
PE's
  I finish order.
  After some time, I receive in my email a list of ordered ptf's. Now
I
  detect problem. If I check first PTF pre and co requisites in SIS
option
  of ServiceLink and discover that no pre and/or requisite ptf's were
included
  in order.
  My question is how I can got hardware PSP for 2098 with all
necessary
  PTF's (pre/co requisites and PE's).
  I tried same for out new storage and IBM DS6800 (Machine type 1750)
and no
  pre/co requisites comes with order.
  Comments and tips are welcome.
  Thanks a lot in advance
  Carlos

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Re: CMS Sort Descending?

2011-01-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:13:02 -0700, Larry Dinwiddie wrote:

Simple fix:

Pipe command LISTFILE fn ft fm (ISO NOH | sort 57.19 d |  sorted list a

CMS has been able to do this since the 90's, I just didn't think about
it.

Thanks.  I have done little with CMS since before the 90's.  This
feels line a reaction to Y2K.

Now, next question:  Can I do similar for reader files?
I just did this by doing RDRLIST followed by PIPE xedit | ...
But that works from a terminal; not likely from a script.

I'll only be able to test this for a few days; before last
year's spool files evaporate.

I suppose I should ask on CMSPIP-L.

Thanks again,
gil

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Re: Will JES2 Hot start if a member of a JES2 plex is restarted

2011-01-10 Thread Jack Schudel

Exits in the JES2 private area will get reloaded,
but exits in common will keep the old copies.

Personally I would just use the dynamic commands
to bring in the new exits and skip the Hot start.

/jack


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Hi

I updated our JES2 parm to include a new LOADMOD and EXIT, I plan to 
recycle JES2 on one of our system JES2 Plex systems.  Will Jes2 perform a 
HOT Start and not read and LOAD the new LOADMOD and EXIT within the JES2 
PARM?  I know I can add the LOADMOD and EXIT dynamically I just want to 
try it this way.


Domenic


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Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

2011-01-10 Thread Stephen Hall
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Hi all,

It has always intrigued me whenever there is talk of new Master Catalogs, WLM 
datasets, Page Datasets etc. being used just to support a new operating system 
upgrade.
My initial thought is always why ? The last time we built a new MCAT for an 
OP/SYS upgrade was about 7 years ago, for an upgrade of OS/390, don't remember 
the version, probably 2.4, but the only reason we did this was to move to new 
dataset naming conventions for Catalogs, IBM and third party software (away 
from the original conventions and IBM standard prefixes such as CEE and TCPIP 
etc. Since then we have used the same master catalogs, page dsns, WLM dsns etc. 
for every upgrade unless actually required to do so, which has been vary rare, 
and IIRC it was for Sysplex CDS's.

When we upgrade to a new version of z/OS (which we now do annually), any new 
datasets are pre catalogued ahead of time (old ones are uncatalogued afterwards 
as part of the clean-up process). We have one Master Catalog per Sysplex or 
LPAR. We install software on our Sysprog Sysplex via serverpacs and then build 
the Sysres set of resvols (3 mod9's) using DF/DSS. And it's generally just an 
IPL to bring it in with a few occasional procedures to implement either just 
before, or just after the IPL. We have procedures to override Parmlib members 
etc.

I am just curious as to why people still create new master catalogs etc when 
upgrading z/OS as it's hard enough without adding this extra complexity. This 
is also not meant as a criticism or belittling of anyone's procedures either. 
Just like to know.

Oh, and to answer Alan's question, Assuming you have all the necessary co-req 
PTFS applied, you would use the existing WLM datasets, and then implement any 
changes after all members of the sysplex are at the same version. Any changes 
to WLM would need to be made on a lower level of z/OS I would think.

Date:Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:57:31 -0600
From:Staller, Allan 
allan.stal...@kbmg.commailto:allan.stal...@kbmg.com
Subject: Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

snip
We are in the process of upgrade z/OS 1.11 into a SYSPLEX. It is going to be a 
rolling upgrade. I would like to know how other sites migrate the
LPARs to the new WLM couple data sets. Do they only upgrade to the new WLM 
couple data sets when all the LPARs are upgraded?
/snip

I would just complete the Roll-thru and then re-install the policy.

There is a note in the conversion guide about *possibly needing a larger set 
of couple datasets due to a change in the record length. See
(GA22-74998-15. PP113 (BCP Migration actions - Reallocate the WLM Couple 
dataset)).
From a quick perusal of this item it seems that if you do not have *a lot* 
(FSVO a lot) of workloads or report classes, you should be
unaffected. However, YMMV!

Date:Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:34:52 -0200
From:ITURIEL DO NASCIMENTO NETO 
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Subject: RES: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

.If you have all coexistence PTFs applied then there is no need to change your 
WLM CDS datasets, just catalog them into your new MCAT.

Ituriel do Nascimento Neto


Thanks  Regards,

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Mainframe Platform Manager
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Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

2011-01-10 Thread Brian Westerman
If that's what works for you then by all means you should stick with it.  

I have performed literally hundreds of upgrades and I have never kept the
old master catalog as the master for the new system.  Mostly it has to do
with properly setting up the master catalog in the first place.  The only
datasets in the master catalog should be those that get shipped with the new
OS, the rest should be in usercats.  

Typically I have a MASTER catalog , and (sometimes) a SYSTEM usercatalog,
the rest of the sites datasets belong in other user catalogs.  There are a
lot of datasets that are new to each release, and the extra time required
to remove the old ones will probably never happen if I were to leave the old
master in place.

I can see where you would be able to keep things going for quite a while
with system symbols for most of the important datasets, but eventually you
are going to have a bunch of useless entries in your master catalog or
things will move and you'll end up taking the chance that you will miss it.
 There seems to be a lot of chance for things to go wrong, and with all of
the other issues involved in a migration, making it more complex, for me, is
not a good thing.  

As I said though, if what you are currently doing works for you, then almost
by definition it's correct, for you.  Just because I feel it adds
complexity, doesn't make me right, in the end, whatever works correctly is
what is right.

 1+1+1+1+1+1+1 = (5+2) = (4+3) = 14/2 = 7(1) = 7

On the other hand, if you are not using symbols and you are really reusing
the same physical page datasets etc. then that's playing with fire.

Brian

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Re: Date representations: Y2k revisited

2011-01-10 Thread Avram Friedman
If I may
Mesuring time is not science or math based,
it is observation based.

For example in the judeo-christran tradition ...
There was night and there was day, the first day.

Start of bibical months are observation things ... ie sighting of the new 
moon.

Even in the observation mode there are counting difficulties.
For example Passover / Easter occurs in the bibical 15th day of Nissan 
but is also said to occur in the spring of the year.  The difficulty is lunar 
years and solar years (that control the seasons) only align every 50 
lunar years so. To make things work for the bean counters a month is 
added to the lunar year from time to time but this distroys the 
sabaticial year cycle of things aligning every 50 years and special 
bibically proscribed practices for the alignment.

Ignoring for a moment that there are problems with the observational 
method the demands of the modren world (meaning the last 2000 years 
or so)
might be better served by a science or math solution.  Such a system 
has many advantages but is in fact an additional source of mesurement 
error.

Once again telling time is neither math or science based. Attempts to 
distort this reality have many advantages and disadvantages.  Lots of 
this thread is based on the faulty assumption that there is a scientific 
or math related correct solution to an observation problem.

Avram Friedman

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