Re: APAR acronym
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/06/2008 at 08:07 PM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: They'd rather criticise and jump rather than constructively aid in seeking the truth. PKB. I try to be accurate and helpful, ROTF,LMAO! -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APAR acronym
Working for IBM as a PSR in 1970, I can attest that APAR was Authorised Program Analysis Report then. Nor was there controversy about it; no it used to stand for comments, for example. So if the acronym did have other roots, they were well withered by that time. Long live Retain! Graeme. [hmm, local gas prices are between (USD) $5.18 and $5.34 per (US) gallon. (3.785 litres)] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APAR acronym
Graeme Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Working for IBM as a PSR in 1970, I can attest that APAR was Authorised Program Analysis Report then. Nor was there controversy about it; no it used to stand for comments, for example. So if the acronym did have other roots, they were well withered by that time. Long live Retain! Graeme. [hmm, local gas prices are between (USD) $5.18 and $5.34 per (US) gallon. (3.785 litres)] That is also exactly the name I was told it meant in the 80's. Kees, [hm, local gas prices here are around Euro 1,50 per liter, or $9,30 per gallon. You still have something to catch up with.] ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APAR acronym
The intent of my OP was to supply historical information, not to stir up bootless controversy. APARs were indeed called 'Applied . . . ' before they were called 'Authorized . . .'. The adjective 'applied' once indeed figured prominently in IBM's marketing-organization names: The men and women we now call 'systems engineers' were once, for example, called 'applied science representatives' instead; etc., etc. Let me also note that I stopped posting regularly in this forum chiefly because I found myself feeling and, worse, exhibiting less and less patience with the effluvia of gratuitous, because radically uninformed, responses that my posts too often elicited. I now regret breaching my silence on this occasion; and I shall in the future try to exhibit even greater restraint, limiting myself to an occasional éloge. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA _ Make Windows Vista more reliable and secure with Windows Vista Service Pack 1. http://www.windowsvista.com/SP1?WT.mc_id=hotmailvistasp1banner -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APAR acronym
Many years ago at Guide Montral (83?) I heard the key note speaker say APAR stood for Atempt to Prevent A Reoccurance PTF stood for Possibly The Fix Avram Friedman On Mon, 5 May 2008 13:54:18 +, john gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The standard interpretation of APAR is now Authorized . . . ; but it was once Applied . . . instead, which then made sense in relation to the organizational terminology in use within IBM but makes none now. IBM's practice of jacking up acronyms to replace their current, notionally obsolescent, expansions with new, notionally more felicitous, ones is a longstanding one; and large conclusions drawn from a current expansion can thus be problematic. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817USA _ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APAR acronym
On Tue, 6 May 2008 13:10:57 +, john gilmore wrote: The intent of my OP was to supply historical information, not to stir up bootless controversy. APARs were indeed called 'Applied . . . ' before they were called 'Authorized . . .'. The adjective 'applied' once indeed figured prominently in IBM's marketing-organization names: The men and women we now call 'systems engineers' were once, for example, called 'applied science representatives' instead; etc., etc. Let me also note that I stopped posting regularly in this forum chiefly because I found myself feeling and, worse, exhibiting less and less patience with the effluvia of gratuitous, because radically uninformed, responses that my posts too often elicited. I now regret breaching my silence on this occasion; and I shall in the future try to exhibit even greater restraint, limiting myself to an occasional éloge. Some of that has to do with the arrogance with which you post. Radically uninformed? Perhaps so. I've only been working with APARs since the early '70s and they were Authorized... then. I'm sorry, but I no longer have any references. Apparently neither do you. Gartuitous? PKB -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APAR acronym
--snip Let me also note that I stopped posting regularly in this forum chiefly because I found myself feeling and, worse, exhibiting less and less patience with the effluvia of gratuitous, because radically uninformed, responses that my posts too often elicited. I now regret breaching my silence on this occasion; and I shall in the future try to exhibit even greater restraint, limiting myself to an occasional éloge. unsnip Don't be a stranger, John. Please remember that Sysprogs are a lot like kids. You spend the first two years teaching them to walk and talk, and the next 18 years telling them to sit down and shut up. Then they (FINALLY) reach maturity. The calendar may be different, (and it varies with individual cases) but the process is the same. :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APAR acronym
On Tue, 6 May 2008 13:10:57 +, john gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The intent of my OP was to supply historical information, not to stir up bootless controversy. Controversy? Most of the comments have been light-hearted and/or a comment that it's been Authorized for 30 years or so. ... Let me also note that I stopped posting regularly in this forum chiefly because I found myself feeling and, worse, exhibiting less and less patience with the effluvia of gratuitous, because radically uninformed, responses that my posts too often elicited. ... Gratuitous? Well, we didn't charge for our comments. And they weren't solicited. But then, niether was your original post. Radically uninformed? I don't think so. I think we are fairly typically, customarily uninformed. Nothing radical there at all. ... I now regret breaching my silence on this occasion; and I shall in the future try to exhibit even greater restraint, limiting myself to an occasional éloge. ... Bye. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APAR acronym
The intent of my OP was to supply historical information, not to stir up bootless controversy. If I post a comment that contains a mis-remembered detail, I get lambasted regularly by two people (whom I now ignore). I try to be accurate and helpful, but some people don't care. They'd rather criticise and jump rather than constructively aid in seeking the truth. Why should you be treated better? Controversy? Most of the comments have been light-hearted and/or a comment that it's been Authorized for 30 years or so. I started in this business (professionally) in 1981. We were given a video presentation by the Toronto IBM Support Centre (ISC -- and, they did spell it that way in Canada). The first A in APAR stood for Authourised, back then. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
APAR acronym
The standard interpretation of APAR is now Authorized . . . ; but it was once Applied . . . instead, which then made sense in relation to the organizational terminology in use within IBM but makes none now. IBM's practice of jacking up acronyms to replace their current, notionally obsolescent, expansions with new, notionally more felicitous, ones is a longstanding one; and large conclusions drawn from a current expansion can thus be problematic. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817USA _ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APAR acronym
On Mon, 5 May 2008 13:54:18 +, john gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The standard interpretation of APAR is now Authorized . . . ; but it was once Applied . . . ... Really? It was authorized as long as I can remember. That is Authorized ... Report, not Authorized Program IBM authorizes the report by assigning the APAR id. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APAR acronym
In a message dated 5/5/2008 2:21:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is Authorized ... Report, not Authorized Program IBM authorizes the report by assigning the APAR id. Yeah, where are the symantiziers when you needs them? Ever hear an Unauthorized P.A.R.? **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APAR acronym
IBM may want us to think an APAR is an Authorized Program Analysis Report, but I'm not going to let them fool me. I know it is really a three-banded South American armadillo (Tolypeutes tricinctus). Check it out: _http://www.thefreedictionary.com/apar_ (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/apar) Bill Fairchild Rocket Software **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APAR acronym
On Mon, 5 May 2008 16:03:33 EDT, Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Yeah, where are the symantiziers when you needs them? Ever hear an Unauthorized P.A.R.? ... Unfortunately, often. Usually it's worded Working as Designed - Not APARable. UPARs are go in the garbage, accompanied, I suspect, with a smug smile. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APAR acronym
On 5 May 2008 13:38:29 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (, IBM Mainframe Discussion List) wrote: IBM may want us to think an APAR is an Authorized Program Analysis Report, but I'm not going to let them fool me. In answer to the OP: I heard it as authorized at least back to the 80s if not the 70s. Until your post, I had never heard applied. I know it is really a three-banded South American armadillo (Tolypeutes tricinctus). I was a bit surprised the first time I saw it in a crossword puzzle many years back. -- I cannot receive mail at the address this was sent from. To reply directly, send to ar23hur at intergate dot com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APAR acronym
On 5 May 2008 15:51:01 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: On Mon, 5 May 2008 16:03:33 EDT, Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, where are the symantiziers when you needs them? Ever hear an Unauthorized P.A.R.? 30+ years ago the Westinghouse Fast Dump Restore program had the definition of APAR as All Problems Are (just) Recorded. BJF was Botched Job Foreground. These definitions and others were in the appendix. If and when the legal department saw the manual it probably had a fit. Then there was the description of the error where the track number in the track descriptor record did not match the track being read and the reading of dumps which contained information on the secret project of Fillet of Old Gnu. Unfortunately I lost my copy of the manual. Unfortunately, often. Usually it's worded Working as Designed - Not APARable. UPARs are go in the garbage, accompanied, I suspect, with a smug smile. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
