Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[McKown, John]

Well, curiously, I got permission to give it a go. I installed Apache, PHP, 
MySQL (via software from http://uniformserver.com) along with PMWiki (from 
http://pmwiki.org) on a Windows 2008 server that belongs to "us" (MF Tech 
Serices). They were both extremely simple to install. UniformServer made 
installing Apache, PHP, and MySQL a snap. Download the zip file. Unzip it. 
Double click on "Start.exe" in the unzipped folder. Start using Apache et al. 
Very nice! Likewise PMWiki is simple. It is file based, not database based. 
Again, simple.

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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In , on
01/12/2010
   at 09:26 AM, "McKown, John"  said:

>Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and more
>effective?

Yes, but IMHO it's a political issue rather than a technical issue.
Considered on the technical merits just about anything would be better
than an amorphous unindexed collection of word documents.
 
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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[Barbara Nitz]

> I'm having a real problem with "inertia" and "too much bother" from others in 
my group. At present, we tend to just document things in a MS Word 
document, then put that in a shared Windows folder with a "good" file name. 
We then ignore it. 
>
>Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and more 
effective? Has anybody actually done it? If so, on what platform and with 
what software? 

We had a Mediawiki set up on zLinux under z/VM (about 3 years ago). Mostly 
to facilitate searching for information and some how-tos. The same 'inertia' 
here. I'm afraid that it hasn't been overcome. 

The Wiki is only as good as those feeding information into it. Only some in our 
group do. Those individuals that actually can use information from the wiki may 
be more active because the time spent documenting things there is a help 
when they need information from others. 

For z/OS, I was the only one actually putting contents into it. Content which I 
knew by heart, anyway. I have also long since stopped putting things into the 
wiki - I never get to profit from other's knowledge, and it *is* time consuming 
to correctly document there (in addition to the windoze documents on a drive 
that we can only read, not update, but that the auditors want there). 

Good luck overcoming that 'too much bother', though!

Best regards, Barbara Nitz

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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[Kirk Talman]

We have SharePoint available which runs under M$sqlserver. Most 
information is not in wiki format and searching is quite inefficient 
because of the high number of useless hits.

There is an open wiki w/~1400 pages that has not caught on with the 
general user.  about 500 of those pages are mine.  This is very helpful in 
providing links based on the topic in the page name.  By searching within 
the wiki as opposed to the whole website, the first listed hits are often 
the most relevant.

But the auditors, bless their hearts, said that any "official 
documentation" must be stored in a restricted location.  so I have my own 
wiki w/~700 pages w/independent access security.  There is no way to 
easily cross link the wikis -- it requires a url link.

What would be ideal is a wiki like mediawiki which has "namespaces" and 
which also has independent access security for each "namespace".  Does 
anyone know if that exists?

IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on 01/12/2010 
10:50:28 AM:

> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John
> > 
> > I have a real gut desire to organize our internal Tech Services into a
> Wiki. Something that is easily
> > searchable with keywords. I'm having a real problem with "inertia" and
> "too much bother" from others
> > in my group. At present, we tend to just document things in a MS Word
> document, then put that in a
> > shared Windows folder with a "good" file name. We then ignore it.
> 
> > 
> > Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and
> more effective? Has anybody
> > actually done it? If so, on what platform and with what software? It
> is unlikely that we would host it
> > on z/OS due to CPU usage. That would be considered not cost effective.
> 
> We do your "at present" method, but store them on Sharepoint.
> 
> -jc-


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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[McKown, John]

I may look at that later. PMWiki is so simple that I already have it installed, 
along with UniformServer for Apache, PHP, et al. under Windows. 0 stress, so 
far.

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> 
> One nice thing about JSPWiki, is that one of the guys helping with 
> development is a mainframer.
> 
> http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/HarryMetske
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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[Rob Schramm]

One nice thing about JSPWiki, is that one of the guys helping with 
development is a mainframer.

http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/HarryMetske

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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[McKown, John]

From: McKown, John 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:10 PM
To: McKown, John
Subject: RE: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

Make the UniformServer.com not UniversalServer . My poor brain hurts!

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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[McKown, John]

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Sipusic
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:22 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
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> 
> McKown, John wrote:
> > Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is 
> reasonable and more effective? Has anybody actually done it? 
> If so, on what platform and with what software? It is 
> unlikely that we would host it on z/OS due to CPU usage. That 
> would be considered not cost effective.
> >   
> This year the sysadmins and DBAs at Georgetown started using a 
> Confluence wiki from Atlassian running on a Unix server. 
> Everybody seems 
> pretty satisfied with it

Thanks. I'm testing out a combination of PMWiki and Universal Server right now. 
They both installed simply and seem to be easy, so far, to use. 
UniversalServer.com makes in __simple__ to install Apache, PHP, and MySQL and 
run them as Windows services. So easy even a caveman can do it! (R)

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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[antonio julio martins]

John,
this guys - http://bm.lighthouse.com.br/bm/content/view/full/193 - is
using Wiki to document routines,
non-structured data such emergency cell numbers etc. internally on
their product.
They are running in a Intel Linux Server but I think that's possible
to run also in a Windows system.
Antonio

2010/1/12 McKown, John :
> I have a real gut desire to organize our internal Tech Services into a Wiki. 
> Something that is easily searchable with keywords. I'm having a real problem 
> with "inertia" and "too much bother" from others in my group. At present, we 
> tend to just document things in a MS Word document, then put that in a shared 
> Windows folder with a "good" file name. We then ignore it. 
>
> Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and more 
> effective? Has anybody actually done it? If so, on what platform and with 
> what software? It is unlikely that we would host it on z/OS due to CPU usage. 
> That would be considered not cost effective.
>
> John McKown
> Systems Engineer IV
> IT
>
> Administrative Services Group
>
> HealthMarkets(r)
>
> 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010
> (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell
> john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com
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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[Jon Brock]

I set up a Wiki (using PMWiki -- very easy) for our department, 
runnning in a Linux guest under z/VM.  I thought it worked pretty well.  
Unfortunately, we no longer have z/VM or Linux on the mainframe, so it is down 
for the moment.  If I can ever get another box on which to host it I hope to 
bring it back up.  All in all, it's a much better solution than sharing Word 
documents, and the less said about Sharepoint the better.

Jon
 



I have a real gut desire to organize our internal Tech Services into a Wiki. 
Something that is easily searchable with keywords. I'm having a real problem 
with "inertia" and "too much bother" from others in my group. At present, we 
tend to just document things in a MS Word document, then put that in a shared 
Windows folder with a "good" file name. We then ignore it. 

Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and more 
effective? Has anybody actually done it? If so, on what platform and with what 
software? It is unlikely that we would host it on z/OS due to CPU usage. That 
would be considered not cost effective.


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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[McKown, John]

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tony B.
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:00 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
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> 
> A long time ago I set up Quickref to contain several "user defined
> databases" to contain miscellaneous documentation.  The users liked it
> because QW on a cursor position was a decent keyword search.  
> We various
> techies maintained doc on a variety of topics, MVS, CICS, RACF, OEM
> products, good lunch places, etc.
> 
> The price was right since we Chicago Soft customers.

I had considered that. But how difficult is it to update? The plus of a Wiki is 
ease of editting and adding new information.

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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[McKown, John]

Thanks for the docuwiki. I downloaded a self-contained Windows package from 
http://UniformServer.com which packages Apache, PHP, MySQL, and other things in 
toto. Very nice. I'm trying out PMwiki (http://pmwiki.org) under that right 
now. I'll look at docuwiki as well.

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> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:45 PM
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> Subject: Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?
> 
> On Jan 12, 10:27 am, john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John)
> wrote:
> > I have a real gut desire to organize our internal Tech 
> Services into a Wiki. Something that is easily searchable 
> with keywords. I'm having a real problem with "inertia" and 
> "too much bother" from others in my group. At present, we 
> tend to just document things in a MS Word document, then put 
> that in a shared Windows folder with a "good" file name. We 
> then ignore it. 
> >
> > Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is 
> reasonable and more effective? Has anybody actually done it? 
> If so, on what platform and with what software? It is 
> unlikely that we would host it on z/OS due to CPU usage. That 
> would be considered not cost effective.
> >
> > John McKown
> > Systems Engineer IV
> > IT
> >
> > Administrative Services Group
> >
> > HealthMarkets(r)
> >
> > 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010
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> We used to use MediaWiki on the mainframe. We transitioned it to a
> Linux box, but now we are running DokuWiki on a OpenSuse guest
> runnning in VMWare. No sql databases, simple setup, and best of all,
> it has built in capability to read a file in a windows folder.
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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[Edward Jaffe]

McKown, John wrote:

I have a real gut desire to organize our internal Tech Services into a Wiki. Something that is easily searchable 
with keywords. I'm having a real problem with "inertia" and "too much bother" from others in my 
group. At present, we tend to just document things in a MS Word document, then put that in a shared Windows folder 
with a "good" file name. We then ignore it. 

Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and more 
effective? Has anybody actually done it? If so, on what platform and with what 
software? It is unlikely that we would host it on z/OS due to CPU usage. That 
would be considered not cost effective.
  


FWIW, we use jspwiki on z/OS. I assume it would do a good job on any 
platform.


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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[Tom Sipusic]

McKown, John wrote:

Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and more 
effective? Has anybody actually done it? If so, on what platform and with what 
software? It is unlikely that we would host it on z/OS due to CPU usage. That 
would be considered not cost effective.
  
This year the sysadmins and DBAs at Georgetown started using a 
Confluence wiki from Atlassian running on a Unix server. Everybody seems 
pretty satisfied with it


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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[Tony B.]

A long time ago I set up Quickref to contain several "user defined
databases" to contain miscellaneous documentation.  The users liked it
because QW on a cursor position was a decent keyword search.  We various
techies maintained doc on a variety of topics, MVS, CICS, RACF, OEM
products, good lunch places, etc.

The price was right since we Chicago Soft customers.


 

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Subject: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

I have a real gut desire to organize our internal Tech Services into a Wiki.
Something that is easily searchable with keywords. I'm having a real problem
with "inertia" and "too much bother" from others in my group. At present, we
tend to just document things in a MS Word document, then put that in a
shared Windows folder with a "good" file name. We then ignore it. 

Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and more
effective? Has anybody actually done it? If so, on what platform and with
what software? It is unlikely that we would host it on z/OS due to CPU
usage. That would be considered not cost effective.

John McKown
Systems Engineer IV
IT

Administrative Services Group

HealthMarkets(r)

9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010
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www.HealthMarkets.com

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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[Rob Schramm]

I know that there are a few shops running JSPWiki under Tomcat on z/OS.

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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[Eric Bielefeld]

John,

I don't have many answers about setting up a Wiki, however now that I work at 
IBM, we have several Wiki's in our help system.  Some of them are very helpful, 
and others are hard to use.  I suspect its how much effort you put in to 
setting it up, and how much you know how to organize it for the best results 
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 "McKown wrote: 
> I have a real gut desire to organize our internal Tech Services into a Wiki. 
> Something that is easily searchable with keywords. I'm having a real problem 
> with "inertia" and "too much bother" from others in my group. At present, we 
> tend to just document things in a MS Word document, then put that in a shared 
> Windows folder with a "good" file name. We then ignore it. 
> 
> Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and more 
> effective? Has anybody actually done it? If so, on what platform and with 
> what software? It is unlikely that we would host it on z/OS due to CPU usage. 
> That would be considered not cost effective.
> 
> John McKown
> Systems Engineer IV
> IT
> 
> Administrative Services Group
> 
> HealthMarkets(r)
> 
> 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010
> (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell
> john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com

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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[Jack . Hamilton]

Kaiser uses Lotus Notes for some internal information.  It's not a good 
solution - searching is poor, and there's no central index of the various 
databases.

It's being replaced by Jive Software SBS, branded internally as the KP 
IdeaBook.  It seems to work fairly well.  I haven't heard of any efforts 
to copy information from Lotus Notes into Ideabook (but I'm not involved 
with the implementation, so I might not hear).

There has been an effort by the SAS Institute and the SAS Global Forum 
board to introduce a wiki for SAS users.  It's called <
www.sascommunity.org>.  There's a fair amount of technical material there, 
but it has not replaced SAS-L.  You might want to look around there to see 
if members are adopting usage patterns you'd like. 

I have not found the "shared Windows folder" approach to work well.

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> I have a real gut desire to organize our internal Tech Services into
> a Wiki. Something that is easily searchable with keywords. I'm 
> having a real problem with "inertia" and "too much bother" from 
> others in my group. At present, we tend to just document things in a
> MS Word document, then put that in a shared Windows folder with a 
> "good" file name. We then ignore it. 

> Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and 
> more effective? Has anybody actually done it? If so, on what 
> platform and with what software? It is unlikely that we would host 
> it on z/OS due to CPU usage. That would be considered not cost 
effective.

> John McKown
> Systems Engineer IV
> IT

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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[Dana Mitchell]

John,
I had the same dream as you.  I wanted a wiki for our internal documentation,  
that was mainframe based so we had total control of it and it would be 
immediately available during DR tests etc.   I got Twiki working resonably well 
at the time, but it didn't really catch on,  then other things happened to the 
shop that made it impossible to continue with.

http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev.TWikiOnMainframe

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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[Miklos Szigetvari]

Hi

Also using in z/OS Tomcat, for internal DOCU , and I  love it .


McKown, John wrote:


I have a real gut desire to organize our internal Tech Services into a Wiki. Something that is easily searchable 
with keywords. I'm having a real problem with "inertia" and "too much bother" from others in my 
group. At present, we tend to just document things in a MS Word document, then put that in a shared Windows folder 
with a "good" file name. We then ignore it. 

Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and more 
effective? Has anybody actually done it? If so, on what platform and with what 
software? It is unlikely that we would host it on z/OS due to CPU usage. That 
would be considered not cost effective.

John McKown
Systems Engineer IV
IT

Administrative Services Group

HealthMarkets(r)

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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[P S]

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:26 AM, McKown, John
 wrote:
> I have a real gut desire to organize our internal Tech Services into a Wiki. 
> Something that is easily searchable with keywords. I'm having a real problem 
> with "inertia" and "too much bother" from others in my group. At present, we 
> tend to just document things in a MS Word document, then put that in a shared 
> Windows folder with a "good" file name. We then ignore it. 
>
> Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and more 
> effective? Has anybody actually done it? If so, on what platform and with 
> what software? It is unlikely that we would host it on z/OS due to CPU usage. 
> That would be considered not cost effective.

Also consider RTFM (the RT FAQ Manager), http://bestpractical.com/rtfm/

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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[Kirk Wolf]

I should also mention that we use MediaWiki  (Wikipedia's engine)
internally at dovetail.com and for oss4zos.org, since it is easy to
set up on a typical web hosting provider.Its fine also, but not as
flexible as JspWiki and won't currently run on z/OS.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kirk Wolf  wrote:
> There are several sites that use JspWiki under Tomcat on z/OS for this
> purpose.   The pioneer was Rob Schramm, and with his assistance we
> included it in an exercise on installing JspWiki in our "z/OS Tomcat
> in an Hour" SHARE lab in 2007-2008.   Harry Metske has also done
> extensive work with JspWiki on z/OS.
>
> Tomcat/JspWiki on z/OS is pretty cost effective IMO if you have a zAPP
> engine.   Using our free z/OS Tomcat enhancements, its pretty easy to
> set up user and role-based security to secure JspWiki using SAF rules.
>  Cool plugins like the "PDF" one allow you to dynamically generate PDF
> documents from Wiki pages, and you can effectively use "MVSDS" URL
> links to integrate documentation and information in MVS datasets.
>
> Here's a link to Rob's JspWiki page which has more information:
> http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/RobSchramm
>
> Of course, if you don't have a zAPP engine or regular CP cycles to
> spare, you can also run JspWiki on a Linux or Windoze box.   I like it
> for its simplicity and "plugins", and have used it extensively as a
> collaborative systems analysis and design repository.
>
> Kirk Wolf
> Dovetailed Technologies
> http://dovetail.com
>
> PS> We've been considering doing a quick-start JspWiki installer for
> z/OS, to go along with our free "T:Z Quickstart for Tomcat and z/OS".
>  If you are a JspWiki z/OS user and you would like to help us figure
> out the best packaging, default settings, plugins, etc, or if you
> don't currently use JspWiki but you would be interested in this,
> please drop me a note.   No promises as to when we would get this done
> though :-)
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:26 AM, McKown, John
>  wrote:
>> I have a real gut desire to organize our internal Tech Services into a Wiki. 
>> Something that is easily searchable with keywords. I'm having a real problem 
>> with "inertia" and "too much bother" from others in my group. At present, we 
>> tend to just document things in a MS Word document, then put that in a 
>> shared Windows folder with a "good" file name. We then ignore it. 
>>
>> Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and more 
>> effective? Has anybody actually done it? If so, on what platform and with 
>> what software? It is unlikely that we would host it on z/OS due to CPU 
>> usage. That would be considered not cost effective.
>>
>> John McKown
>> Systems Engineer IV
>> IT
>>
>> Administrative Services Group
>>
>> HealthMarkets(r)
>>
>> 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010
>> (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell
>> john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com
>>
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>> proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please 
>> contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original 
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>> issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake 
>> Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of 
>> TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM
>>
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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[Scott]

It is for our group.  I came into a shop that was an utter clusterfsck.  It
helps to break down what I describe as "Mainframe Lore."  The way we use it,
is for things that are almost too small to document.  Or when something
comes up, you throw it in there before you get distracted by the next thing.

It helps to track issues and makes quick reference really easy.  Half of it
is to document the downright insane crap that the CICS programmers did, way
back when.  Thankfully they're dead, or I'd kill them myself.

Scott

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 7:26 AM, McKown, John  wrote:

> I have a real gut desire to organize our internal Tech Services into a
> Wiki. Something that is easily searchable with keywords. I'm having a real
> problem with "inertia" and "too much bother" from others in my group. At
> present, we tend to just document things in a MS Word document, then put
> that in a shared Windows folder with a "good" file name. We then ignore it.
> 
>
> Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and more
> effective? Has anybody actually done it? If so, on what platform and with
> what software? It is unlikely that we would host it on z/OS due to CPU
> usage. That would be considered not cost effective.
>
> John McKown
> Systems Engineer IV
> IT
>
> Administrative Services Group
>
> HealthMarkets(r)
>
> 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010
> (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell
> john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com
>
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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John
> 
> I have a real gut desire to organize our internal Tech Services into a
Wiki. Something that is easily
> searchable with keywords. I'm having a real problem with "inertia" and
"too much bother" from others
> in my group. At present, we tend to just document things in a MS Word
document, then put that in a
> shared Windows folder with a "good" file name. We then ignore it.

> 
> Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and
more effective? Has anybody
> actually done it? If so, on what platform and with what software? It
is unlikely that we would host it
> on z/OS due to CPU usage. That would be considered not cost effective.

We do your "at present" method, but store them on Sharepoint.

-jc-

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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[Kirk Wolf]

There are several sites that use JspWiki under Tomcat on z/OS for this
purpose.   The pioneer was Rob Schramm, and with his assistance we
included it in an exercise on installing JspWiki in our "z/OS Tomcat
in an Hour" SHARE lab in 2007-2008.   Harry Metske has also done
extensive work with JspWiki on z/OS.

Tomcat/JspWiki on z/OS is pretty cost effective IMO if you have a zAPP
engine.   Using our free z/OS Tomcat enhancements, its pretty easy to
set up user and role-based security to secure JspWiki using SAF rules.
 Cool plugins like the "PDF" one allow you to dynamically generate PDF
documents from Wiki pages, and you can effectively use "MVSDS" URL
links to integrate documentation and information in MVS datasets.

Here's a link to Rob's JspWiki page which has more information:
http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/RobSchramm

Of course, if you don't have a zAPP engine or regular CP cycles to
spare, you can also run JspWiki on a Linux or Windoze box.   I like it
for its simplicity and "plugins", and have used it extensively as a
collaborative systems analysis and design repository.

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com

PS> We've been considering doing a quick-start JspWiki installer for
z/OS, to go along with our free "T:Z Quickstart for Tomcat and z/OS".
 If you are a JspWiki z/OS user and you would like to help us figure
out the best packaging, default settings, plugins, etc, or if you
don't currently use JspWiki but you would be interested in this,
please drop me a note.   No promises as to when we would get this done
though :-)

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:26 AM, McKown, John
 wrote:
> I have a real gut desire to organize our internal Tech Services into a Wiki. 
> Something that is easily searchable with keywords. I'm having a real problem 
> with "inertia" and "too much bother" from others in my group. At present, we 
> tend to just document things in a MS Word document, then put that in a shared 
> Windows folder with a "good" file name. We then ignore it. 
>
> Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and more 
> effective? Has anybody actually done it? If so, on what platform and with 
> what software? It is unlikely that we would host it on z/OS due to CPU usage. 
> That would be considered not cost effective.
>
> John McKown
> Systems Engineer IV
> IT
>
> Administrative Services Group
>
> HealthMarkets(r)
>
> 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010
> (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell
> john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com
>
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Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[Jousma, David]

We use Wiki on the mainframe.  Not a big CPU consumer, especially if it
is just a few folks using it.

I'm sure Rob Schramm will pipe up, he has a lot of knowledge on the
subject.

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I have a real gut desire to organize our internal Tech Services into a
Wiki. Something that is easily searchable with keywords. I'm having a
real problem with "inertia" and "too much bother" from others in my
group. At present, we tend to just document things in a MS Word
document, then put that in a shared Windows folder with a "good" file
name. We then ignore it. 

Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and more
effective? Has anybody actually done it? If so, on what platform and
with what software? It is unlikely that we would host it on z/OS due to
CPU usage. That would be considered not cost effective.

John McKown
Systems Engineer IV
IT

Administrative Services Group

HealthMarkets(r)

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Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?

[McKown, John]

I have a real gut desire to organize our internal Tech Services into a Wiki. 
Something that is easily searchable with keywords. I'm having a real problem 
with "inertia" and "too much bother" from others in my group. At present, we 
tend to just document things in a MS Word document, then put that in a shared 
Windows folder with a "good" file name. We then ignore it. 

Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and more 
effective? Has anybody actually done it? If so, on what platform and with what 
software? It is unlikely that we would host it on z/OS due to CPU usage. That 
would be considered not cost effective.

John McKown
Systems Engineer IV
IT

Administrative Services Group

HealthMarkets(r)

9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010
(817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell
john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com

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