Re: HR policy
when you said begins with a S ends with a L does 60609 also ring a bell thanks, Augie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HR policy
That tells me it was WARDS why is everyone so afraid of a defunct company? Ed On Jun 26, 2007, at 9:27 AM, August Carideo wrote: when you said begins with a S ends with a L does 60609 also ring a bell thanks, Augie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HR policy
snip--- when you said begins with a S ends with a L does 60609 also ring a bell unsnip--- You're in the ball park, but I never worked for them and don't know for sure. Westmont? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HR policy
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Gould That tells me it was WARDS why is everyone so afraid of a defunct company? What part of Montgomery Ward and Company begins with S and ends with L? For that matter, what part of Montgomery Ward and Company even *contains* an S or an L? Ever hear of Spiegel? On Jun 26, 2007, at 9:27 AM, August Carideo wrote: when you said begins with a S ends with a L does 60609 also ring a bell ... -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HR policy
was Spiegel ( spelling ) part of Wards ? Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] AST.NET To Sent by: IBM IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Mainframe cc Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject .EDU Re: HR policy 06/26/2007 11:40 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU That tells me it was WARDS why is everyone so afraid of a defunct company? Ed On Jun 26, 2007, at 9:27 AM, August Carideo wrote: when you said begins with a S ends with a L does 60609 also ring a bell thanks, Augie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HR policy
BTW for those of you who did not get it 60609 was their zip code LOL was also wondering how WARDS began w/ a S and ended in L unless it was Spiegel's parent company Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Sent by: IBM IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Mainframe cc Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject .EDU Re: HR policy 06/26/2007 12:28 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Gould That tells me it was WARDS why is everyone so afraid of a defunct company? What part of Montgomery Ward and Company begins with S and ends with L? For that matter, what part of Montgomery Ward and Company even *contains* an S or an L? Ever hear of Spiegel? On Jun 26, 2007, at 9:27 AM, August Carideo wrote: when you said begins with a S ends with a L does 60609 also ring a bell ... -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HR policy
I seem to recall that on the old Hollywood squares, as the sponsor/prize provider (speigel mail order catalog) was verbally acknowledged, the panelists (Paul lynde, Wally Cox, Charlie Weaver, etc)would playfully? recite 60609 in unison Chris Hoelscher Senior IDMS DB2 Database Administrator Humana Inc 502-476-2538 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HR policy
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of August Carideo was Spiegel ( spelling ) part of Wards ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiegel_catalog http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Bauer No mention of Wards or Montgomery Ward and Co. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HR policy
Bob Barker's announcer, at the end of the show - Spiegel , Ch , IL, 60609 Chris Hoelscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] A.COM To Sent by: IBM IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Mainframe cc Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject .EDU Re: HR policy 06/26/2007 12:41 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU I seem to recall that on the old Hollywood squares, as the sponsor/prize provider (speigel mail order catalog) was verbally acknowledged, the panelists (Paul lynde, Wally Cox, Charlie Weaver, etc)would playfully? recite 60609 in unison Chris Hoelscher Senior IDMS DB2 Database Administrator Humana Inc 502-476-2538 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HR policy
No mention of Wards or Montgomery Ward and Co. Search on Monkey Ward http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_Ward Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HR policy
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Shannon No mention of Wards or Montgomery Ward and Co. Search on Monkey Ward http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_Ward No mention of Spiegel there -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HR policy
On Jun 26, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Chase, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Gould That tells me it was WARDS why is everyone so afraid of a defunct company? What part of Montgomery Ward and Company begins with S and ends with L? For that matter, what part of Montgomery Ward and Company even *contains* an S or an L? Ever hear of Spiegel? JC: The person that gave the zip code that I believe is wards (or what used to be). BTW 20+ years ago we had a person quit and go to work for Spiegel and he quit there and asked for his old job back 2 days later. It seems that places never change. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HR policy
snip It is quite common HR policy. It is usually kept 'in secret' (in silence at least), becasue it nothing to be proud of, but it is in quite common use. From the other hand I know companies in Poland where people work for two reasons: a) to get some experience, take some classes and go away with better CV. b) because they don't want to learn, they don't want to work to hard, usually they rather stupid than dumb. Since I part of my job is teaching on mainframe courses, I often meet them (only mainframe staff in fact) and observe their careers. Sometimes one can distinguish a and b -types during first lab. -unsnip-- There are also companys that will give you all the education you ask for, because the rest of the compensation package is so shamefully poor. A catalog-shopping firm I know of comes to mind. It was common knowledge that you went here, picked their pockets for all the education you could get in 2-3 years, then went to a real shop. The compensation package for employees included only very minimal health insurance, with no provision for dependants, below-average salaries, very rigid work hours, minimal vacation time, all that kind of stuff. CAn I say Two sides to every coin?? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HR policy
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:28:20 -0500 Rick Fochtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :snip :It is quite common HR policy. It is usually kept 'in secret' (in silence :at least), becasue it nothing to be proud of, but it is in quite common :use. From the other hand I know companies in Poland where people work :for two reasons: : :a) to get some experience, take some classes and go away with better CV. :b) because they don't want to learn, they don't want to work to hard, :usually they rather stupid than dumb. : :Since I part of my job is teaching on mainframe courses, I often meet :them (only mainframe staff in fact) and observe their careers. Sometimes :one can distinguish a and b -types during first lab. :-unsnip-- :There are also companys that will give you all the education you ask :for, because the rest of the compensation package is so shamefully poor. :A catalog-shopping firm I know of comes to mind. It was common knowledge :that you went here, picked their pockets for all the education you could :get in 2-3 years, then went to a real shop. The compensation package :for employees included only very minimal health insurance, with no :provision for dependants, below-average salaries, very rigid work hours, :minimal vacation time, all that kind of stuff. CAn I say Two sides to :every coin?? Did it have a five letter name, beginning and ending with s? -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HR policy
---snip-- :snip :It is quite common HR policy. It is usually kept 'in secret' (in silence :at least), becasue it nothing to be proud of, but it is in quite common :use. From the other hand I know companies in Poland where people work :for two reasons: : :a) to get some experience, take some classes and go away with better CV. :b) because they don't want to learn, they don't want to work to hard, :usually they rather stupid than dumb. : :Since I part of my job is teaching on mainframe courses, I often meet :them (only mainframe staff in fact) and observe their careers. Sometimes :one can distinguish a and b -types during first lab. :-unsnip-- :There are also companys that will give you all the education you ask :for, because the rest of the compensation package is so shamefully poor. :A catalog-shopping firm I know of comes to mind. It was common knowledge :that you went here, picked their pockets for all the education you could :get in 2-3 years, then went to a real shop. The compensation package :for employees included only very minimal health insurance, with no :provision for dependants, below-average salaries, very rigid work hours, :minimal vacation time, all that kind of stuff. CAn I say Two sides to :every coin?? Did it have a five letter name, beginning and ending with s? -unsnip--- Nope. Started with S and ended with L -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HR policy
On Jun 25, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Rick Fochtman wrote: ---unsnip-- There are also companys that will give you all the education you ask for, because the rest of the compensation package is so shamefully poor. A catalog-shopping firm I know of comes to mind. It was common knowledge that you went here, picked their pockets for all the education you could get in 2-3 years, then went to a real shop. The compensation package for employees included only very minimal health insurance, with no provision for dependants, below-average salaries, very rigid work hours, minimal vacation time, all that kind of stuff. CAn I say Two sides to every coin?? Rick, At one time there was a 3rd kind (I know because I worked there). They gave you so much education (and travel) that your head nearly exploded. The compensation package was excellent (4 weeks vacation) the salary was pretty average though. We typically had people employed there because they enjoyed the work and there was really very little politics so much so that they stayed and almost no staff turnover. You had has much freedom as you wanted. The hours were typical and the people around you were generally nice people. They also kept on the cutting edge of IBM hardware and software. It kept you busy and learning all the time. There was very little finger pointing. One of the sysprogs was sent to Amsterdam for about a year to help them through a conversion. Another was sent down to Texas to help a subsidary with a capacity planning issue another was sent to a newspaper chain to suggest a new computer. We had our downside as well. A sysprog manager that called in sick 4 or 5 days a week to name one. It was not a perfect job but it was the best job I ever had . The company eventually relocated to Florida (due to politics in corporate). I have heard that most of the people that followed regretted it. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HR policy (was: how to list LE options)
Chase, John wrote: [...] ITYM dumb rather than stupid (dumb is curable via education; stupid is as stupid does). That was actually a stated policy in a university (!!) where I worked previously. In that boss's own words, If we allow you more training, your marketability will be enhanced and you'll leave us for more money somewhere else. It is quite common HR policy. It is usually kept 'in secret' (in silence at least), becasue it nothing to be proud of, but it is in quite common use. From the other hand I know companies in Poland where people work for two reasons: a) to get some experience, take some classes and go away with better CV. b) because they don't want to learn, they don't want to work to hard, usually they rather stupid than dumb. Since I part of my job is teaching on mainframe courses, I often meet them (only mainframe staff in fact) and observe their careers. Sometimes one can distinguish a and b -types during first lab. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2007 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci opacony) wynosi 118.064.140 z. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchwa XVI WZ z dnia 21.05.2003 r., kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 118.760.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
