Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-11-21 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
OK, mission accomplished.  The Journal is now larger.
Thank you all for your participation and help, particularly Walter.
Once the HSM re-start was disabled in OPS/MVS, it all worked as advertised.

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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-11-17 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
 I hope you were now able to enlarge your hsm journal, which was your goal.

I am coming to work this SAT to try again.
This time I will be showing up in person so I can see what is going on with all 
the LPAR's.
We found the OPS/MVS rule and it is being disabled.  They are also checking in 
all the LPARs to make sure the rule is disabled in all of them.
I'll let you know how it goes.

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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-11-16 Thread Walter Marguccio
 From: Uriel Carrasquilla uriel.carrasqui...@mail.mcgill.ca

 When I look at the LOG, I can see that OPS/MVS is involved and might be the 
 culprit:

this explains why hsm restarts after being shutdown. But it also means your 
automation
product is not setup identically on all your LPARs., otherwise you would have 
seen the
same behavior for the other hsm in the plex.
Also, reading better what the RESTART parameter can do, it seems as it restarts 
hsm 
in case the latteris abnormally ended, which was not your case.
I hope you were now able to enlarge your hsm journal, which was your goal.

 
Walter Marguccio
z/OS Systems Programmer
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Munich - Germany

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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-11-15 Thread Walter Marguccio
 From: Uriel Carrasquilla uriel.carrasqui...@mail.mcgill.ca

 Is the emergency request creating a situation where at least one of the LPARs 
 must be running HSM?


I don't think so. I'm not aware of any hsm parameter which would restart the 
address space once it is
shutdown. As Dave already mentioned, ask your automation folks. It is possible 
your automation product
triggers ARC0002I on the main LPAR, of hsm is defined under ARM

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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-11-15 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
I don't think so. I'm not aware of any hsm parameter which would restart the 
address space once it is
shutdown. As Dave already mentioned, ask your automation folks. It is possible 
your automation product
triggers ARC0002I on the main LPAR, of hsm is defined under ARM

We are taking a closer look at OPS/MVS.  
When we shutdown HSM in all of our LPARs without setting them in the EMERGENCY 
mode, we never had any problems with HSM re-starting.
What do you mean when you say hsm is defined under ARM?

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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-11-15 Thread Walter Marguccio
 From: Uriel Carrasquilla uriel.carrasqui...@mail.mcgill.ca

 When we shutdown HSM in all of our LPARs without setting them in the 
 EMERGENCY mode, we never had any problems with HSM re-starting.

Under chapter 14 DFSMShsm Libraries and Procedure 
of the DFSMShsm Implementation and Cust. Guide. there are a couple of 
sentences which confirm what you claim:

Using the RESTART Keyword to Automatically Restart DFSMShsm after an
Abnormal End: If you are running DFSMShsm in an MVS/ESA environment, you
can use the RESTART keyword in the DFSMShsm startup procedure to
automatically restart DFSMShsm after an abnormal termination.

When you specify the RESTART keyword in the DFSMShsm start procedure, no
operator intervention is required to automatically restart DFSMShsm. The 
protocol
for the RESTART keyword is: RESTART=(A,B), where A is required and is the
name of the DFSMShsm procedure to be started, and B is optional and specifies
any additional parameters to be passed to the procedure.

Figure 88 on page 333 is an example of the DFSMShsm startup procedure. Notice
that the EMERG keyword NO allows all DFSMShsm functions and that the
RESTART keyword restarts DFSMShsm automatically. However, when DFSMShsm
is restarted the status of the EMERGENCY keyword in the restarted procedure is
YES. When EMERG=YES, DFSMShsm does not allow any functions to start.

Looks like I learned something new. Have a look at RESTART keyword in your 
procedure. 

 What do you mean when you say hsm is defined under ARM?

ARM is the Automatic Restart Manager, which allows you to define Started Tasks 
or Address Spaces
which need to be restarted in case they are down (very short definition).



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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-11-15 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
 Have a look at RESTART keyword in your procedure.

I took a look at the HSM PROC and EMERG=NO but no signs of RESTART.
I also checked out SYS.PARMLIB(ARCCMDSx) and could not find any traces of a 
RESTART keyword.

When I look at the LOG, I can see that OPS/MVS is involved and might be the 
culprit:

F DFSMSHSM,STOP 
ARC0016I DFSMSHSM SHUTDOWN HAS BEEN REQUESTED   
OPS3092H OI STATESET CPU1TBL.DFSMSHSM CURRENT(DOWN) 
ARC0002I DFSMSHSM SHUTDOWN HAS COMPLETED
OPS3092H OPS3730I CPU1TBL.DFSMSHSM RESOURCE: CURRENT=DOWN DESIRED=UP
MODE=ACTIVE PMD=ACTIVE RMD=ACTIVE AMD=ACTIVE
OPS7902H STATEMAN ACTION FOR CPU1TBL.DFSMSHSM: DOWN_UP MVSCMD=START 
DFSMSHSM
OPS1181H OPSMAIN   (*Local*) MVS N/A OPSYSTZS START DFSMSHSM
START DFSMSHSM  
OPS3092H READY  
$HASP100 DFSMSHSM ON STCINRDR  

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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-11-14 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
 yes, every hsm instance sharing the journal dataset must be put in emergency 
  mode (1), and also be stopped (3).

 Walter Marguccio

Walter, very kind of you.  I will go it this weekend before we IPL with the 
new time here in the US.


We ran into problems.  
We put HSM in emergency in 3 LPARS (all of them sharing HSM).
We ran the BACKVOL command in the main LPAR.
Then, we stopped HSM in all 3 LPARS.
But, for some reason, in the main LPAR, HSM would restart automatically 
everytime we stopped it.
So I could not drop the existing Journal to switch to a bigger one.

The procedure we followed:
F DFSMSHSM, SETSYS EMERGENCY  (in all 3 LPARS)
F DFSMSHSM, BACKVOL CONTROLDATASETS (in main LPAR)
F DFSMSHSM, STOP (in al 3 LPARS)

But then we noticed that in the main LPAR, DFSMSHSM would just start by itself.

I could not switch to a bigger Journal file so we issued the S DFSMSHSM 
command in the remaining 2 LPARS.

Why is DFSMSHSM re-starting by itself?
We successfully took DFSMSHSM down in the main LPAR earlier that day and it 
would stay down.
Is the emergency request creating a situation where at least one of the LPARs 
must be running HSM?

 

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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-11-14 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Check with your automation folks.

Thank You,
Dave O'Brien
NIH Contractor

From: Uriel Carrasquilla [uriel.carrasqui...@mail.mcgill.ca]
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Subject: Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

 yes, every hsm instance sharing the journal dataset must be put in emergency 
  mode (1), and also be stopped (3).

 Walter Marguccio

Walter, very kind of you.  I will go it this weekend before we IPL with the 
new time here in the US.


We ran into problems.
We put HSM in emergency in 3 LPARS (all of them sharing HSM).
We ran the BACKVOL command in the main LPAR.
Then, we stopped HSM in all 3 LPARS.
But, for some reason, in the main LPAR, HSM would restart automatically 
everytime we stopped it.
So I could not drop the existing Journal to switch to a bigger one.

The procedure we followed:
F DFSMSHSM, SETSYS EMERGENCY  (in all 3 LPARS)
F DFSMSHSM, BACKVOL CONTROLDATASETS (in main LPAR)
F DFSMSHSM, STOP (in al 3 LPARS)

But then we noticed that in the main LPAR, DFSMSHSM would just start by itself.

I could not switch to a bigger Journal file so we issued the S DFSMSHSM 
command in the remaining 2 LPARS.

Why is DFSMSHSM re-starting by itself?
We successfully took DFSMSHSM down in the main LPAR earlier that day and it 
would stay down.
Is the emergency request creating a situation where at least one of the LPARs 
must be running HSM?



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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-11-02 Thread Walter Marguccio
 From: Uriel Carrasquilla uriel.carrasqui...@mail.mcgill.ca

 Subject: Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

 When you put DFSMShsm in emergency mode, do you do so for every zOS sharing 
 the same DFSMShsm?


Uriel,


yes, every hsm instance sharing the journal dataset must be put in emergency 
mode (1), and also be stopped (3).

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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-11-02 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
 yes, every hsm instance sharing the journal dataset must be put in emergency 
  mode (1), and also be stopped (3).

 Walter Marguccio

Walter, very kind of you.  I will go it this weekend before we IPL with the new 
time here in the US.

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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-10-31 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
I would do what the hsm Storage Admin Guide suggest under moving the 
Journal :
1. Put DFSMShsm in emergency mode. SETSYS EMERGENCY
2. Issue the CONTROLDATASETS parameter of the BACKVOL command to back up the
control and journal data sets.BACKVOL CONTROLDATASETS
3. Stop DFSMShsm. F DFSMSHSM,STOP
4. Delete the old journal data set
5. Allocate a new journal data set on a different DASD device.
6. Start DFSMShsm. S DFSMSHSM
Obviously, I'd allocate a much bigger journal at step 5.

 Walter Marguccio

Walter, thank you for your response.
I have one more question.
When you put DFSMShsm in emergency mode, do you do so for every zOS sharing the 
same DFSMShsm?

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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-10-27 Thread Walter Marguccio
 From: Uriel Carrasquilla uriel.carrasqui...@mail.mcgill.ca

 Subject: Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

 If I was to increase the size of the HSM1.JRNL dataset, what would be the 
 best practice?


I would do what the hsm Storage Admin Guide suggest under moving the 
Journal :

1. Put DFSMShsm in emergency mode.     SETSYS EMERGENCY
2. Issue the CONTROLDATASETS parameter of the BACKVOL command to back up the
control and journal data sets.                    BACKVOL CONTROLDATASETS
3. Stop DFSMShsm.                                 F DFSMSHSM,STOP
4. Delete the old journal data set
5. Allocate a new journal data set on a different DASD device.
6. Start DFSMShsm.                                 S DFSMSHSM

Obviously, I'd allocate a much bigger journal at step 5.

HTH
Walter Marguccio
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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-10-27 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
Walter,
thank you so much for your help.
Regards,
Uriel


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 From: Uriel Carrasquilla uriel.carrasqui...@mail.mcgill.ca

 Subject: Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

 If I was to increase the size of the HSM1.JRNL dataset, what would be the 
 best practice?


I would do what the hsm Storage Admin Guide suggest under moving the 
Journal :

1. Put DFSMShsm in emergency mode. SETSYS EMERGENCY
2. Issue the CONTROLDATASETS parameter of the BACKVOL command to back up the
control and journal data sets.BACKVOL CONTROLDATASETS
3. Stop DFSMShsm. F DFSMSHSM,STOP
4. Delete the old journal data set
5. Allocate a new journal data set on a different DASD device.
6. Start DFSMShsm. S DFSMSHSM

Obviously, I'd allocate a much bigger journal at step 5.

HTH
Walter Marguccio
z/OS Systems Programmer
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Munich - Germany

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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-10-26 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
I keep on getting messages that the Journal dataset is 80% (which I confirmed 
under ISPF 3.2).
My plan is to shutdown HSM, rename the existing file, create a new one with the 
same characteristics, copy the renamed file, and bring up HSM.
Is my thinking appropriate?
Thank you.

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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-10-26 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
No, it is not correct.

Issue a Backup cds command. That will null the Journal as well as give you a 
set of CDS Backups.

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I keep on getting messages that the Journal dataset is 80% (which I confirmed 
under ISPF 3.2).
My plan is to shutdown HSM, rename the existing file, create a new one with the 
same characteristics, copy the renamed file, and bring up HSM.
Is my thinking appropriate?
Thank you.

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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-10-26 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Correction, that should be Backvol cds

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No, it is not correct.

Issue a Backup cds command. That will null the Journal as well as give you a 
set of CDS Backups.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:39 AM
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Subject: Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

I keep on getting messages that the Journal dataset is 80% (which I confirmed 
under ISPF 3.2).
My plan is to shutdown HSM, rename the existing file, create a new one with the 
same characteristics, copy the renamed file, and bring up HSM.
Is my thinking appropriate?
Thank you.

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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-10-26 Thread Ed Gould
 Uriel,
The real question you should be looking for is to why the automatic jobs that 
should be running are not.

Ed

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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-10-26 Thread McKown, John
I think the OP was wonder how to expand the size of the journal so that it 
would not fill up as quickly. Not how to automate doing the backvol command or 
how to do the backvol cds command. He knows how, he just wants to do it less 
often. At least, that's how I read his intent.

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  Uriel,
 The real question you should be looking for is to why the 
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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-10-26 Thread Ed Gould
 John,
Possibly, but I guess don#39;t do Vulcan mind meds as well as you do:)

Ed

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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-10-26 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
Why I don't get is that the automatic jobs are running but the Journal file 
remains with the same amount of disk space allocated after execution.
We also have a batch job that compresses the HSM files 
(backup/delete/create/reload) but the Journal is not in the list.


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Correction, that should be Backvol cds

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No, it is not correct.

Issue a Backup cds command. That will null the Journal as well as give you a 
set of CDS Backups.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:39 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

I keep on getting messages that the Journal dataset is 80% (which I confirmed 
under ISPF 3.2).
My plan is to shutdown HSM, rename the existing file, create a new one with the 
same characteristics, copy the renamed file, and bring up HSM.
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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-10-26 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
I made the wrong comment.  the F DFSMSHSM,BACKVOL CDS command is running on a 
schedule.  When it runs, last time was yesterday, the HSM1.JRNL dataset does 
get reset to empty.  In my case, it is allocated with 150 CYLS and since 
yesterday it has used up 22 CYLS.
The problem is that I am getting hit with messages that it is 80% full quite 
often.  So my thinking is that I either run the BACKVOL command more often or 
increase the size of the HSM1.JRNL dataset.
If I was to increase the size of the HSM1.JRNL dataset, what would be the best 
practice?
Run the BACKVOL CDS command, take down DFSMSHSM, increase the size of the JRNL 
file size (after deleting and re-allocating) or is it something else?
Thanks.


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I think the OP was wonder how to expand the size of the journal so that it 
would not fill up as quickly. Not how to automate doing the backvol command or 
how to do the backvol cds command. He knows how, he just wants to do it less 
often. At least, that's how I read his intent.

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  Uriel,
 The real question you should be looking for is to why the
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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-10-26 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
Ed,
It is ignorance on my part.  
By John and the group asking me the question, I learned what is going on.  
Regards,
Uriel


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 John,
Possibly, but I guess don#39;t do Vulcan mind meds as well as you do:)

Ed

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Re: HSM Journal dataset is almost full

2011-10-26 Thread Gibney, Dave
We have automation issue the backvol command when the message occurs. 

Dave Gibney
Information Technology Services
Washington State University


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 I made the wrong comment.  the F DFSMSHSM,BACKVOL CDS command is
 running on a schedule.  When it runs, last time was yesterday, the
 HSM1.JRNL dataset does get reset to empty.  In my case, it is allocated with
 150 CYLS and since yesterday it has used up 22 CYLS.
 The problem is that I am getting hit with messages that it is 80% full quite
 often.  So my thinking is that I either run the BACKVOL command more often
 or increase the size of the HSM1.JRNL dataset.
 If I was to increase the size of the HSM1.JRNL dataset, what would be the
 best practice?
 Run the BACKVOL CDS command, take down DFSMSHSM, increase the size
 of the JRNL file size (after deleting and re-allocating) or is it something 
 else?
 Thanks.
 
 
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 I think the OP was wonder how to expand the size of the journal so that it
 would not fill up as quickly. Not how to automate doing the backvol
 command or how to do the backvol cds command. He knows how, he just
 wants to do it less often. At least, that's how I read his intent.
 
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   Uriel,
  The real question you should be looking for is to why the
  automatic jobs that should be running are not.
 
  Ed
 
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