Re: Move SeverPac Datasets How to
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:06:57 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ADRDSSU used to have problems copying HFS datasets (the workaround was DUMP/RESTORE in place of COPY). I don't know if it still does. I have never successfully copied a spool dataset and always had to reformat. I never tried to copy a page dataset since it was always easier just to allocate a new one. We routinely use FDR to copy HFS datasets in our migration/clone process, but dss works just as well. Use LOGICAL instead of PHYSICAL copy so that dss issues a QUIESCE for an open (mounted) filesystem. For FDR, specify HFS=QUIESCE. Otherwise, if the HFS is mounted R/W, you almost certainly will have a corrupt copy. Regards, Art Gutowski Ford Motor Co. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Move SeverPac Datasets How to
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:49:16 -0500, Arthur Gutowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:06:57 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ADRDSSU used to have problems copying HFS datasets (the workaround was DUMP/RESTORE in place of COPY). I don't know if it still does. I have never successfully copied a spool dataset and always had to reformat. I never tried to copy a page dataset since it was always easier just to allocate a new one. We routinely use FDR to copy HFS datasets in our migration/clone process, but dss works just as well. Use LOGICAL instead of PHYSICAL copy so that dss issues a QUIESCE for an open (mounted) filesystem. For FDR, specify HFS=QUIESCE. Otherwise, if the HFS is mounted R/W, you almost certainly will have a corrupt copy. Note that if you are using zFS that HFS=QUIESCE does not work with FDR. I had to add a zfsadm quiesce and unquiesce steps and change my copy step in my clone JCL to use DSNENQ=NONE,ENQERR=NO when I migrated my maintenance unix files to zFS. This is because my maintenance unix files are always mounted at a service mount point. If you don't keep them mounted, this is not a consideration. I spoke to Innovation about this and they couldn't give me any time frame when FDR would be fixed / enhanced to do this. There is a way to get it to work with EMC / snap, but it is much to convoluted for my taste. Adding the zfsadm step was much simpler and easier to understand. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Move SeverPac Datasets How to
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:18:23 -0500, Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that if you are using zFS that HFS=QUIESCE does not work with FDR. I had to add a zfsadm quiesce and unquiesce steps and change my copy step in my clone JCL to use DSNENQ=NONE,ENQERR=NO when I migrated my maintenance unix files to zFS. This is because my maintenance unix files are always mounted at a service mount point. If you don't keep them mounted, this is not a consideration. I spoke to Innovation about this and they couldn't give me any time frame when FDR would be fixed / enhanced to do this. There is a way to get it to work with EMC / snap, but it is much to convoluted for my taste. Adding the zfsadm step was much simpler and easier to understand. I've had a few off-list emails about this from folks who contacted Innovation or quoted the FDR manual. The fine manual says this: Section 01.03SUMMARY OF MODIFICATIONS FOR VERSION 5.4: AUTOMATIC QUIESCE OF ZFS FILES If HFS=QUIESCE is specified in FDR, FDRDSF or FDRABR steps, any zFS files which are dumped will also be automatically quiesced during the backup or copy, just as is currently done for HFS files. However, this only works for FDRINSTANT (where the main control statement is SNAP, FCOPY, PSPLIT, or SPLIT). The manual supports what I said about snap. However my maintenance sysres set is 2 3390-9 volumes. One that I full volume copy (all the PDS and PDSE data sets) and the other is unix files - formerly HFS now zFS. I full volume disk to disk copy the primary volume. But the second volume I always used PGM=FDRCOPY with HFS=QUIESCE control statement. It is this process that doesn't work with zFS. Innovation did show me how I could do it with snap since we are licensed for FDR INSTANT, but I already indicated that I didn't like that option. BTW, with IBM DFSMSdss, it automatically quiesces both HFS and zFS with a logical copy. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Move SeverPac Datasets How to
Is it possible to move all of the datasets that are shipped with a z/os serverpac from SMS managed pacs to a single mod 27 using adrsdssu? Will all of the datasets move, (Haspace, Page datasets, logrecs.etc)? Thanks. Mark House (402) 778-1966 IBM Mainframe Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail message and any attachments may contain confidential, proprietary or non-public information. This information is intended solely for the designated recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any review, dissemination, use or reliance upon this information by unintended recipients is prohibited. Any opinions expressed in this e-mail are those of the author personally. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Move SeverPac Datasets How to
Aren't some of the datasets marked PSU and therefore unmovable? ADRDSSU used to have problems copying HFS datasets (the workaround was DUMP/RESTORE in place of COPY). I don't know if it still does. I have never successfully copied a spool dataset and always had to reformat. I never tried to copy a page dataset since it was always easier just to allocate a new one. Is the new system operational? Is the HLQ still the SSA or have the datasets been renamed already? Won't putting several high use datasets on a single pack (page, catalog, RACF, spool, logrec, SYS1.LINKLIB, SMF, etc. create a bottleneck? Think about some of the other limitations this may cause. For example, you cannot delete a page dataset from a volume if another page dataset is in use on that volume. -Original Message- From: Mark S. House Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Move SeverPac Datasets How to Is it possible to move all of the datasets that are shipped with a z/os serverpac from SMS managed pacs to a single mod 27 using adrsdssu? Will all of the datasets move, (Haspace, Page datasets, logrecs.etc)? 7 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Move SeverPac Datasets How to
Mark, I would think so. I would probably, if it was me, do a dump with delete of the files from the volume(s) to tape. Then restore all the files to the target volume making sure I used the NULL parms for the STORCLAS, MGMTCLAS, etc. I do not have my books handy so do not recall the specific key words. If you do not nullify the ACS parms DFDSS will dump it back down with the ACS used at dump time and it will likely fall back on the same SMS pools. Lizette Is it possible to move all of the datasets that are shipped with a z/os serverpac from SMS managed pacs to a single mod 27 using adrsdssu? Will all of the datasets move, (Haspace, Page datasets, logrecs.etc)? Thanks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
