Re: DCOLLECT QUESTION

2010-04-23 Thread John Dawes
Darth,
 
Thanks very much for your help.  Your suggestions worked.
 
Thanks again

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I am using the DATA SET SELECTION ENTRY PANEL i.e option 1 in the ISMF 
PRIMARY OPTION MENU.  Pardon my bad eye sight however I don't see any 
place, in this option, to plug the dsn.  Below is what I see in option 
1.

OK - this is the same way I was generating a similar list.  Once my list 
is displayed, I'd use the LISTPRT command to copy the output to my dsn. 
The panel shown after the LISTPRT is entered looks like this to me.  With 
Standard, the fields are side by side across the page; with Roster, each 
field is on a new line - which way I chose to print my list generally 
depends on how many fields I want and how I intend to process the output.
  
Select Format Type  . . . . . 1  (1 - Standard, 2 - Roster)  
Report Data Set Name  . . . .  test.listprt             your 
pre-allocated dsn here 
Replace Report Contents . . . y  (Y or N)  Lines/Page . . . 55  (12 to 99) 
            'Y' to replace 
Specify Tags to be Printed:  
===  26 3                                    prints the DSN, 
Allocated Space,  MgmtClass; tags are separated by blanks                 

       Line Operator                    (24)  Change Indicator  
       Data Set Name                     (6)  Compressed Format  
  (3)  Allocated Space                  (20)  Creation Date  
  (9)  Allocation Unit                  (25)  Data Class Name  
(14)  Block/CI Size                    (30)  Data Set Name Type  
(16)  Block Unused                     (34)  DDM Attributes  
(35)  CCSID Description                (19)  Device Type  
(39)  CF CACHE Set Name                (29)  DS Environment  
(38)  CF CACHE Structure Name          (11)  DS Organisation  
(37)  CF Monitor Status                (32)  Entry Type  
(36)  CF Status Indicator              (21)  Expiration Date  
Use ENTER to Perform Print; Use DOWN Command for next Panel; 

Additional options, like the MgmtClas are on the next page.  These are the 
default values here that I would use if I were going to pre-allocate
a dataset with a larger allocation are
Data class . . . . . : DCSTDFLT 
Organization  . . . : PS 
Record format . . . : FBA 
Record length . . . : 133 
Block size  . . . . : 27930 
1st extent cylinders: 100 
Secondary cylinders : 20 

Hope that all helps.
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Re: DCOLLECT QUESTION

2010-04-22 Thread Darth Keller
G'day All
 
I am using DCOLLECT (via ISMF) to extra a list of dsns for a certain 
management class.
 
All goes well.  The list is produced however when I attempt to issue the 
save file1 I receive a IEC031I D37-04.
 
Is there a way of saving the file to a pds?  I tried to do so but I get 
prompted with a - LIST NAME TOO LONG.
 
Is there some way of getting around this problem or do I have to whittle 
down my search criteria which would take a while.


Are you using the Data Collection Entry Panel?  In which case, you can 
specify an existing output data set of the appropriate size (with the 
Replace Contents option) 
 
If you're using the Data Set print Entry Panel  You can all specify an 
existing output dataset to use.

Pretty much all the options I've looked at give you an opportunity to 
specify the output dsn  a Replace option.

Am I missing something here?
ddk

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Re: DCOLLECT QUESTION

2010-04-22 Thread John Dawes
Darth,
 
I am using the DATA SET SELECTION ENTRY PANEL i.e option 1 in the ISMF PRIMARY 
OPTION MENU.  Pardon my bad eye sight however I don't see any place, in this 
option, to plug the dsn.  Below is what I see in option 1.
 
 For a Data Set List, Select Source of Generated List  . . 2  (1 or 2)  
    
   1  Generate from a Saved List Query Name To  
 List Name  . .  Save or 
Retrieve   
    
   2  Generate a new list from criteria below   
 Data Set Name . . . 
'SYSIDCS1.**'    
    Enter / to select option   /  Generate Exclusive list 
    Specify Source of the new list  . . 2    (1 - VTOC, 2 - Catalog)    
 1 Generate list from 
VTOC   
    Volume Serial Number . . .    (fully or partially 
specified) 
    Storage Group Name . . . .    (fully 
specified)  
 2 Generate list from 
Catalog    
    Catalog Name . . 
.   
   Volume Serial Number . . .    (fully or partially specified) 
    Acquire Data from Volume . . . . . . . N  (Y or 
N)   
   Acquire Data if DFSMShsm Migrated  . . N  (Y or N)   
 Use ENTER to Perform Selection; Use DOWN Command to View next Selection Panel; 
  Use HELP Command for Help; Use END Command to 
Exit.    




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G'day All

I am using DCOLLECT (via ISMF) to extra a list of dsns for a certain 
management class.

All goes well.  The list is produced however when I attempt to issue the 
save file1 I receive a IEC031I D37-04.

Is there a way of saving the file to a pds?  I tried to do so but I get 
prompted with a - LIST NAME TOO LONG.

Is there some way of getting around this problem or do I have to whittle 
down my search criteria which would take a while.


Are you using the Data Collection Entry Panel?  In which case, you can 
specify an existing output data set of the appropriate size (with the 
Replace Contents option) 

If you're using the Data Set print Entry Panel  You can all specify an 
existing output dataset to use.

Pretty much all the options I've looked at give you an opportunity to 
specify the output dsn  a Replace option.

Am I missing something here?
ddk

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Re: DCOLLECT QUESTION

2010-04-22 Thread Darth Keller
I am using the DATA SET SELECTION ENTRY PANEL i.e option 1 in the ISMF 
PRIMARY OPTION MENU.  Pardon my bad eye sight however I don't see any 
place, in this option, to plug the dsn.  Below is what I see in option 
1.
 
OK - this is the same way I was generating a similar list.  Once my list 
is displayed, I'd use the LISTPRT command to copy the output to my dsn. 
The panel shown after the LISTPRT is entered looks like this to me.  With 
Standard, the fields are side by side across the page; with Roster, each 
field is on a new line - which way I chose to print my list generally 
depends on how many fields I want and how I intend to process the output.
  
Select Format Type  . . . . . 1  (1 - Standard, 2 - Roster)  
Report Data Set Name  . . . .  test.listprt your 
pre-allocated dsn here 
Replace Report Contents . . . y  (Y or N)  Lines/Page . . . 55  (12 to 99) 
    'Y' to replace 
Specify Tags to be Printed:  
===  26 3    prints the DSN, 
Allocated Space,  MgmtClass; tags are separated by blanks 
 
   Line Operator(24)  Change Indicator  
   Data Set Name (6)  Compressed Format  
  (3)  Allocated Space  (20)  Creation Date  
  (9)  Allocation Unit  (25)  Data Class Name  
 (14)  Block/CI Size(30)  Data Set Name Type  
 (16)  Block Unused (34)  DDM Attributes  
 (35)  CCSID Description(19)  Device Type  
 (39)  CF CACHE Set Name(29)  DS Environment  
 (38)  CF CACHE Structure Name  (11)  DS Organisation  
 (37)  CF Monitor Status(32)  Entry Type  
 (36)  CF Status Indicator  (21)  Expiration Date  
Use ENTER to Perform Print; Use DOWN Command for next Panel; 

Additional options, like the MgmtClas are on the next page.  These are the 
default values here that I would use if I were going to pre-allocate
a dataset with a larger allocation are
Data class . . . . . : DCSTDFLT 
 Organization  . . . : PS 
 Record format . . . : FBA 
 Record length . . . : 133 
 Block size  . . . . : 27930 
 1st extent cylinders: 100 
 Secondary cylinders : 20 

Hope that all helps.
ddk

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Re: DCOLLECT output - convert KB to tracks?

2009-06-25 Thread Field, Alan C.
John,

It will depend on blksize. If the dataset has a blksize of 80, you'll
get 78 blks/trk for a total of 78*80 bytes per track. 

If the blksize is 27920 you'll get 2 blks per track for a total of
27920*2 bytes per trk.

And a whole range in between. I have GX26-4577-04 IBM 3390 Direct Access
Storage Reference Summary that has a table of all the combinations. 

Probably not trivial in icetool. 

Alan
  

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Subject: DCOLLECT output - convert KB to tracks?

DCOLLECT outputs dataset sizes in KB (or KiB?). Anyway, management wants
the output in TRACKS. But I've noticed that the conversion is not as
simple as divide by ??? where ??? is an integer. What is the real
conversion factor for a 3390? Will it be simple to do in ICETOOL, which
is what I am using for the report. It is all that I have left since they
killed SAS.

John McKown
Systems Engineer IV
IT

Administrative Services Group

HealthMarkets(r)

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Re: DCOLLECT output - convert KB to tracks?

2009-06-25 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM


McKown, John jmck...@healthmarkets.com wrote in message
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..
 DCOLLECT outputs dataset sizes in KB (or KiB?). Anyway, management
wants the output in TRACKS. But I've noticed that the conversion is not
as simple as divide by ??? where ??? is an integer. What is the real
conversion factor for a 3390? Will it be simple to do in ICETOOL, which
is what I am using for the report. It is all that I have left since they
killed SAS.
 
 John McKown
 Systems Engineer IV
 IT
 

This is how I do it in SAS:
aloctrks = ceil(dcdallsp/56664)
usedtrks = ceil(dcdusesp/56664)

Kees.
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Re: DCOLLECT output - convert KB to tracks?

2009-06-25 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Alan,

This is the real number of bytes on a track, but that is not what
DCOLLECT is reporting. It reports a 3390 track as 56664 bytes. So the
conversion to tracks is easy in this case.

Kees.


Field, Alan C. alan.c.fi...@supervalu.com wrote in message
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 John,
 
 It will depend on blksize. If the dataset has a blksize of 80, you'll
 get 78 blks/trk for a total of 78*80 bytes per track. 
 
 If the blksize is 27920 you'll get 2 blks per track for a total of
 27920*2 bytes per trk.
 
 And a whole range in between. I have GX26-4577-04 IBM 3390 Direct
Access
 Storage Reference Summary that has a table of all the combinations. 
 
 Probably not trivial in icetool. 
 
 Alan
   
 
 -Original Message-
 
 Subject: DCOLLECT output - convert KB to tracks?
 
 DCOLLECT outputs dataset sizes in KB (or KiB?). Anyway, management
wants
 the output in TRACKS. But I've noticed that the conversion is not as
 simple as divide by ??? where ??? is an integer. What is the real
 conversion factor for a 3390? Will it be simple to do in ICETOOL,
which
 is what I am using for the report. It is all that I have left since
they
 killed SAS.
 
 John McKown
 Systems Engineer IV
 IT
 
 Administrative Services Group
 
 HealthMarkets(r)
 
 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010
 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell
 john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com
 
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Re: DCOLLECT output - convert KB to tracks?

2009-06-25 Thread McKown, John
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 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:32 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: DCOLLECT output - convert KB to tracks?
 
 
 
 McKown, John jmck...@healthmarkets.com wrote in message
 news:a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea003ebeeb...@nrhmms8p02.ui
 cnrh.dom.
 ..
  DCOLLECT outputs dataset sizes in KB (or KiB?). Anyway, management
 wants the output in TRACKS. But I've noticed that the 
 conversion is not
 as simple as divide by ??? where ??? is an integer. What is the real
 conversion factor for a 3390? Will it be simple to do in 
 ICETOOL, which
 is what I am using for the report. It is all that I have left 
 since they
 killed SAS.
  
  John McKown
  Systems Engineer IV
  IT
  
 
 This is how I do it in SAS:
 aloctrks = ceil(dcdallsp/56664)
 usedtrks = ceil(dcdusesp/56664)
 
 Kees.

Thanks. But I had to multiply DCDALLSP by 1024 to make it work. If anybody is 
interested, I did this via an INREC OVERLAY similar to:

INREC OVERLAY=(93:(93,4,BI,MUL,+1024,ADD,+56663),DIV,+56664,TO=BI,LENGTH=4)

I had to ADD 56663 to emulate the effect of the CEIL function.

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Re: DCOLLECT output - convert KB to tracks?

2009-06-25 Thread Martin Packer
Glad you found the maths stuff in DFSORT (presumably looong ago). BTW 
IFTHEN might help with ciel - but I wouldn't say it was any simpler, just 
a tad clearer. (And I've a feeling we did MAX / MIN which might help 
here.)

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 cnrh.dom.
 ..
  DCOLLECT outputs dataset sizes in KB (or KiB?). Anyway, management
 wants the output in TRACKS. But I've noticed that the 
 conversion is not
 as simple as divide by ??? where ??? is an integer. What is the real
 conversion factor for a 3390? Will it be simple to do in 
 ICETOOL, which
 is what I am using for the report. It is all that I have left 
 since they
 killed SAS.
  
  John McKown
  Systems Engineer IV
  IT
  
 
 This is how I do it in SAS:
 aloctrks = ceil(dcdallsp/56664)
 usedtrks = ceil(dcdusesp/56664)
 
 Kees.

Thanks. But I had to multiply DCDALLSP by 1024 to make it work. If anybody 
is interested, I did this via an INREC OVERLAY similar to:

INREC 
OVERLAY=(93:(93,4,BI,MUL,+1024,ADD,+56663),DIV,+56664,TO=BI,LENGTH=4)

I had to ADD 56663 to emulate the effect of the CEIL function.

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IT

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Re: DCOLLECT and HSM backup indication

2008-03-24 Thread Gilbert Cardenas
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:34:21 -0400, Jack Kelly 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I tried to send this issue to IBM but they think that it's a question
rather than a problem, so I'll try here.
Trying to use DCOLLECT to ensure that all ML2 data has a backup. In
general the UMLBKDT field (DCOLLECT ML2 backup date)indicates if a backup
has been done (as long as it's not empty, been opened, is SMS, etc). I do
have a couple of dsn that have zero UMLBKDT but a valid backup exists
(from HLIST and the B record in DCOLLECT).
Has anyone else seen this or know what I have missed or does IBM just need
the money (we don't have QA support)?
Thanks...Jack



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Is it possible that someone might have done a manual HBACKDS and then a 
HMIG on a non-sms dataset?  There are some very resourceful 
programmers/operators that do some odd things every once in a while in our 
shop.

The DCOLLECT documentation for UMLBKDT says that this field only applies to 
SMS-managed datasets.

The UBBDATE does not make that assertion.

Just a thought,
Gil.

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Re: DCOLLECT and HSM backup indication

2008-03-19 Thread Scott Barry
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:34:21 -0400, Jack Kelly 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I tried to send this issue to IBM but they think that it's a question
rather than a problem, so I'll try here.
Trying to use DCOLLECT to ensure that all ML2 data has a backup. In
general the UMLBKDT field (DCOLLECT ML2 backup date)indicates if a backup
has been done (as long as it's not empty, been opened, is SMS, etc). I do
have a couple of dsn that have zero UMLBKDT but a valid backup exists
(from HLIST and the B record in DCOLLECT).
Has anyone else seen this or know what I have missed or does IBM just need
the money (we don't have QA support)?
Thanks...Jack



Jack Kelly
202-502-2390 (Office)

For a client I support, I found 22 instances, those being ML2-migrated 
datasets, where the M record UMLBKDT has no date/time but the 
associated B record field UBBDATE has a valid date/time.  I have not 
determined if any of these datasets were deleted, and then re-allocated, or 
some other circumstances that would justify the condition, as you reported.

Scott Barry
SBBWorks, Inc.

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Re: Dcollect

2006-04-04 Thread Rob Scott
There are quite a few DCOLLECT processing examples on the CBT Tape -
www.cbttape.org

Download File #1 and have a look. 


Rob Scott
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Re: Dcollect

2006-04-04 Thread David Betten
You can download a sample for processing DCOLLECT with DSFSORT from the
DFSORT web site.


http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/storage/support/software/sort/mvs/srtmdwn.html



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DFSORT Development, Performance Lead
IBM Corporation
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IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 04/04/2006
03:25:56 AM:

 There are quite a few DCOLLECT processing examples on the CBT Tape -
 www.cbttape.org

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Re: Dcollect

2006-04-04 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 4/4/2006 2:24:48 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
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There  are quite a few DCOLLECT processing examples on the CBT Tape  -
www.cbttape.org





Yeah _www.xephon.com_ (http://www.xephon.com)  has archives search  and a 
sorry user interface,
but there's literally hundreds of hits for DCOLLECT. Some in ALC, some  REXX 
and a few SAS. I haven't used it in a long time, think it's ANALDASD  in MXG 
that rolls it all up.  

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