Re: SDSF PREFIX (was RE: multiple jobs / same name)
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:09:24 -0500, Chase, John wrote: Perhaps we have something misconfigured, but I've wondered why I must append an asterisk to a prefix value, say, to display all the CICS regions on the DA screen. If I enter PRE CICS I get a blank screen, but if I enter PRE CICS* I see all the CICSes that are running. Why isn't CICS treated as a PREFIX when I say it's a PREFIX? This is at z/OS 1.9 and earlier (back as far as I can remember). I can remember back further. At one time, PREFIX was exactly that: a prefix, with no wildcard characters supported, much less required. At some point, SDSF extended the syntax to support wildcards, but chose to overload PREFIX, rather than provide a more suitable name, such as PATTERN. It was particularly jarring at that upgrade boundary when PREFIX USER ceased to display anything except for the TSO session of USER. I needed to ask an expert to discover that the novus ordo seclorum required PREFIX USER*. But I believe that constructs such as PREFIX FOO*BAR*, and even counterintuitively PREFIX *A, are now possible. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF PREFIX (was RE: multiple jobs / same name)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:09:24 -0500, Chase, John wrote: Perhaps we have something misconfigured, but I've wondered why I must append an asterisk to a prefix value, say, to display all the CICS regions on the DA screen. If I enter PRE CICS I get a blank screen, but if I enter PRE CICS* I see all the CICSes that are running. Why isn't CICS treated as a PREFIX when I say it's a PREFIX? This is at z/OS 1.9 and earlier (back as far as I can remember). I can remember back further. At one time, PREFIX was exactly that: a prefix, with no wildcard characters supported, much less required. At some point, SDSF extended the syntax to support wildcards, but chose to overload PREFIX, rather than provide a more suitable name, such as PATTERN. It was particularly jarring at that upgrade boundary when PREFIX USER ceased to display anything except for the TSO session of USER. I needed to ask an expert to discover that the novus ordo seclorum required PREFIX USER*. But I believe that constructs such as PREFIX FOO*BAR*, and even counterintuitively PREFIX *A, are now possible. Well, PRE *ICS returns a blank DA screen, but PRE *ICS* shows all the CICS regions. PRE C*T* shows all jobnames that begin with C and contain a T. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF PREFIX (was RE: multiple jobs / same name)
In a message dated 10/19/2009 9:38:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jch...@ussco.com writes: Well, PRE *ICS returns a blank DA screen, but PRE *ICS* shows all the CICS regions. Long ago and far away started using ---da ostc cics* -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF PREFIX (was RE: multiple jobs / same name)
I hardly ever use PREFIX anymore, preferring SELECT for its ephemeral nature. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF PREFIX (was RE: multiple jobs / same name)
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:31:40 -0500, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:09:24 -0500, Chase, John wrote: Perhaps we have something misconfigured, but I've wondered why I must append an asterisk to a prefix value, say, to display all the CICS regions on the DA screen. If I enter PRE CICS I get a blank screen, but if I enter PRE CICS* I see all the CICSes that are running. Why isn't CICS treated as a PREFIX when I say it's a PREFIX? This is at z/OS 1.9 and earlier (back as far as I can remember). I can remember back further. At one time, PREFIX was exactly that: a prefix, with no wildcard characters supported, much less required. At some point, SDSF extended the syntax to support wildcards, but chose to overload PREFIX, rather than provide a more suitable name, such as PATTERN. It was particularly jarring at that upgrade boundary when PREFIX USER ceased to display anything except for the TSO session of USER. I needed to ask an expert to discover that the novus ordo seclorum required PREFIX USER*. But I believe that constructs such as PREFIX FOO*BAR*, and even counterintuitively PREFIX *A, are now possible. You can have SDSF automatically append the * again. See APAR PK79932. There was also a discussion in IBM-MAIN about this a few months ago. http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1PK79932 -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF PREFIX (was RE: multiple jobs / same name)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:31:40 -0500, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:09:24 -0500, Chase, John wrote: Perhaps we have something misconfigured, but I've wondered why I must append an asterisk to a prefix value, say, to display all the CICS regions on the DA screen. If I enter PRE CICS I get a blank screen, but if I enter PRE CICS* I see all the CICSes that are running. Why isn't CICS treated as a PREFIX when I say it's a PREFIX? This is at z/OS 1.9 and earlier (back as far as I can remember). I can remember back further. At one time, PREFIX was exactly that: a prefix, with no wildcard characters supported, much less required. At some point, SDSF extended the syntax to support wildcards, but chose to overload PREFIX, rather than provide a more suitable name, such as PATTERN. It was particularly jarring at that upgrade boundary when PREFIX USER ceased to display anything except for the TSO session of USER. I needed to ask an expert to discover that the novus ordo seclorum required PREFIX USER*. But I believe that constructs such as PREFIX FOO*BAR*, and even counterintuitively PREFIX *A, are now possible. You can have SDSF automatically append the * again. See APAR PK79932. There was also a discussion in IBM-MAIN about this a few months ago. http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1PK79932 Yabbut By definition, a prefix shouldn't need a wildcard character to act like a prefix. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF PREFIX (was RE: multiple jobs / same name)
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:23:02 -0500, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com wrote: You can have SDSF automatically append the * again. See APAR PK79932. There was also a discussion in IBM-MAIN about this a few months ago. http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1PK79932 Yabbut By definition, a prefix shouldn't need a wildcard character to act like a prefix. Won't debate that. As Paul said, it's been that way for so long I can't remember when it was different. I just wanted to let you know you can get the behavior you desire now if you are running z/OS 1.9 or above. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
