Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?
Kevin, I am with Bus-Tech, Inc. Our MDL family of products should be included in your landscape. MDL provides Virtual Tape (or tape-on-disk) for mainframes. MDL's backend storage is open systems disk or open systems virtual tape by the leading open systems storage vendors. For more information, contact me or go to our website at www.bustech.com. Pratt Parrish | WW Manager of Channel Development and Marketing | Bus-Tech, Inc. 110 Horizon Drive, Suite 210 Raleigh, NC 27615 direct: 919 847 2013 | cell: 919 835 9933 | Skype: Pratt.Parrish email: pratt.parr...@bustech.com www.bustech.com Delivering World-Class Mainframe Virtual Tape Solutions -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Clark, Kevin Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors? Hello all, As the storage landscape has changes over the years. I find myself struggling to put together competitive acquisitions. I'm simply talking about a library with 3592 type drives and maybe LTO support for the Open Systems side. There IBM. Who else? Kevin This e-mail message and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of its authorized recipient(s). If you are not an intended or authorized recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not authorized to receive it, please immediately notify the sender and delete the original message and all copies of it from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 18:49 -0400, BOB COSBY wrote: The VSM is RAID 6 architecture under the covers Not to quibble (much), but VSM operates a log structured filesystem. (There are indeed redundant parity tracks, which is the hallmark of RAID 6 devices, but that log structure ameliorates the well known RAID 5/6 write penalty to some extent.) I wouldn't call it strictly RAID 6. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?
No STK developed ICEBERG (RAID 6 architecture); Kodeack (RAID 5 architecture) and Arctic Fox (Solid State device) which FROZEN DOG never got out of development. The VSM is RAID 6 architecture under the covers and yes SUN bought STK then Oracle bought SUN/STK. The point I am try to make is there are only 2 mainframe real tape vendors out there and they are IBM and Oracle and from this agency's perspective the VSM/SL8500 is an outstanding architecture and it works very well in this environment. We still use FTAM/CTAM (Ford or Chevy Truck Access Method) for Disaster Recovery: TRUCK TAPE. Although we were shipping 3,000 3490/9490 tapes to Iron Mountain daily and now we ship less than a hundred of the 9840D tapes. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors? So? Did anyone claim that Oracle developed VSM or SL8500? The notice below says that someone bought some product from Oracle, nothing else. Nowadays SL8500 is onwed by Oracle - so it's Oracle product. BTW: many IBM products are developed by still existing independent companies. Examples: all tape libraries except the largest (Quantum, previously ADIC), some FASt aka DS dasd (Ingenico), N-something_I_forgot (NetApp), all the FC/FICON switches... Regarding to the Silo-SL change: a single SL8500 in maximum configuration is huge library, with approx. 1 tape slots. We don't know what drives are inside, but the technolgical jump could be really big as well. W dniu 2010-08-04 19:58, Staller, Allan pisze: Oracle just bought SUN. SUN recently bought STK. The VSM and SL8500 were developed by STK, not ORACLE. snip Our agency just replaced 10 (ten) STK 9310 silos with 2 (two) Oracle VSMs (Virtual Storage Manager) and 2 (two) Oracle SL8500 tape subsystems. They are working GREAT!! /snip -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 118.763.528 zotych. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchway XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchway XVI NWZ z dnia 27 padziernika 2008r., moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym BRE Banku SA bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?
W dniu 2010-08-04 02:10, Clark, Kevin pisze: Excellent...thank you sir... With such limited options for Mainframe (Enterprise tape drives) our targeted solution will come down to the best reseller with non technical add-ons. Sure could use another vendor in this market (Hitachi - Memorex ) AFAIK you cannot, you could many years ago. Hitachi - dropped tape drives many moons ago. Memorex - whole company does no longer exist (nowadays some Asian company bought Memorex brand and sells media (CD-R, DVD-R) with that logo). The choice for mainframe is really limited Real drives: IBM, STK/Oracle Libraries: IBM, STK/Oracle Virtual drive libraries: IBM, STK/Oracle CentricStore (Siemens?) niche markets: appliances from Luminex, BusTech, Interkom However the market for *enterprise* distributed systems is not much bigger. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 118.763.528 zotych. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchway XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchway XVI NWZ z dnia 27 padziernika 2008r., moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym BRE Banku SA bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:44:00 +0200, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: Virtual drive libraries: IBM, STK/Oracle Add Bus-Tech and EMC (DLm) to the list for virtual. IIRC, DLm is based on the same Bus-Tech VTL.Sutmyn also used to be a player in that space, but I think they haven't existed for quite a while. Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:mzel...@flash.net Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?
Our agency just replaced 10 (ten) STK 9310 silos with 2 (two) Oracle VSMs (Virtual Storage Manager) and 2 (two) Oracle SL8500 tape subsystems. They are working GREAT!! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Clark, Kevin Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors? Hello all, As the storage landscape has changes over the years. I find myself struggling to put together competitive acquisitions. I'm simply talking about a library with 3592 type drives and maybe LTO support for the Open Systems side. There IBM. Who else? Kevin This e-mail message and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of its authorized recipient(s). If you are not an intended or authorized recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not authorized to receive it, please immediately notify the sender and delete the original message and all copies of it from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?
Oracle just bought SUN. SUN recently bought STK. The VSM and SL8500 were developed by STK, not ORACLE. snip Our agency just replaced 10 (ten) STK 9310 silos with 2 (two) Oracle VSMs (Virtual Storage Manager) and 2 (two) Oracle SL8500 tape subsystems. They are working GREAT!! /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?
So? Did anyone claim that Oracle developed VSM or SL8500? The notice below says that someone bought some product from Oracle, nothing else. Nowadays SL8500 is onwed by Oracle - so it's Oracle product. BTW: many IBM products are developed by still existing independent companies. Examples: all tape libraries except the largest (Quantum, previously ADIC), some FASt aka DS dasd (Ingenico), N-something_I_forgot (NetApp), all the FC/FICON switches... Regarding to the Silo-SL change: a single SL8500 in maximum configuration is huge library, with approx. 1 tape slots. We don't know what drives are inside, but the technolgical jump could be really big as well. W dniu 2010-08-04 19:58, Staller, Allan pisze: Oracle just bought SUN. SUN recently bought STK. The VSM and SL8500 were developed by STK, not ORACLE. snip Our agency just replaced 10 (ten) STK 9310 silos with 2 (two) Oracle VSMs (Virtual Storage Manager) and 2 (two) Oracle SL8500 tape subsystems. They are working GREAT!! /snip -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 118.763.528 zotych. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchway XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchway XVI NWZ z dnia 27 padziernika 2008r., moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym BRE Banku SA bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?
For Mainframe it is IBM and STK (Oracle) for both real and virtual tape products, these two are the market leaders in both areas. For MF virtual you can also look to Bus-Tech , EMC (Bus-Tech like) and Luminex. These can be good choices for a shop with little to no real tape behind the Virtual sub-systems. Both IBM and STK have spent years working on ways to replicate Virtual tape systems and to support real tape behind such systems. They even have utilities to restore a Virtual volume from a real tape cartridge without a VSM system. Tape Drives from IBM are the 3592 and from STK the 1 and the 9840D (the STK drives are available for Open systems also, unsure of the IBM). Tape Libraries from both IBM and STK can connect to both open and MF (even at the same time) you would have some FC or SCSI drives for open and Ficon (maybe even Escon) for MF. When doing this you will need to decide how robot control is managed, both give you options. Tape drives for Open Systems generally are LTO-5 (5th generation) now IBM HP or Quantum. While there may be others I do not know what they are. There are numerous Virtual tape systems available for Open systems, but one thing to be aware of is that they are different than the MF Virtual tape systems (this is generally because of the differences in how tape is used in the 2 worlds). In summary your answer is IBM or STK (Oracle) Carl Swanson carl.swans...@verizon.net Mobile: 215.688.1459 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Clark, Kevin Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors? Hello all, As the storage landscape has changes over the years. I find myself struggling to put together competitive acquisitions. I'm simply talking about a library with 3592 type drives and maybe LTO support for the Open Systems side. There IBM. Who else? Kevin This e-mail message and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of its authorized recipient(s). If you are not an intended or authorized recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not authorized to receive it, please immediately notify the sender and delete the original message and all copies of it from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?
Huh? On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Clark, Kevin kevin.cl...@bcbsde.com wrote: Hello all, As the storage landscape has changes over the years. I find myself struggling to put together competitive acquisitions. I'm simply talking about a library with 3592 type drives and maybe LTO support for the Open Systems side. There IBM. Who else? Kevin This e-mail message and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of its authorized recipient(s). If you are not an intended or authorized recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not authorized to receive it, please immediately notify the sender and delete the original message and all copies of it from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?
W dniu 2010-08-03 20:42, Clark, Kevin pisze: Hello all, As the storage landscape has changes over the years. I find myself struggling to put together competitive acquisitions. I'm simply talking about a library with 3592 type drives and maybe LTO support for the Open Systems side. There IBM. Who else? Remarks: 1. It's worth to distinguish tape drives and tape subsystems. 2. It's worth to distinguish entry tape drives / subsystems and enterprise drives /subsystems. Like in car industry the market for Toyota Corolla is much bigger than for Liebherr truck, despite the price per unit. Answer: Enterprise tape drives: IBM, STK vel Sun vel Oracle - the only manufacturers of mainframe attachable drives (without additional appliances. Midrange: LTO. (S)DLT is a history, (S)AIT is history, VXA - I don't know. LTO means 3 vendors: IBM, HP, Quantum and maybe Tandberg. Entry level: DAT. Mostly HP and SONY. (BTW: Nowadays it's 8mm tape!) Travan, Ditto, QIC, SLR, MLR, Exabyte, Magstar MP, DTF are all history Libraries: IBM, STK, Quantum, Siemens (Centricstore). Appliances, only mainframe related: Luminex, Bustech, Interkom Gmbh. HTH -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 118.763.528 zotych. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchway XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchway XVI NWZ z dnia 27 padziernika 2008r., moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym BRE Banku SA bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?
Excellent...thank you sir... With such limited options for Mainframe (Enterprise tape drives) our targeted solution will come down to the best reseller with non technical add-ons. Sure could use another vendor in this market (Hitachi - Memorex ) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors? W dniu 2010-08-03 20:42, Clark, Kevin pisze: Hello all, As the storage landscape has changes over the years. I find myself struggling to put together competitive acquisitions. I'm simply talking about a library with 3592 type drives and maybe LTO support for the Open Systems side. There IBM. Who else? Remarks: 1. It's worth to distinguish tape drives and tape subsystems. 2. It's worth to distinguish entry tape drives / subsystems and enterprise drives /subsystems. Like in car industry the market for Toyota Corolla is much bigger than for Liebherr truck, despite the price per unit. Answer: Enterprise tape drives: IBM, STK vel Sun vel Oracle - the only manufacturers of mainframe attachable drives (without additional appliances. Midrange: LTO. (S)DLT is a history, (S)AIT is history, VXA - I don't know. LTO means 3 vendors: IBM, HP, Quantum and maybe Tandberg. Entry level: DAT. Mostly HP and SONY. (BTW: Nowadays it's 8mm tape!) Travan, Ditto, QIC, SLR, MLR, Exabyte, Magstar MP, DTF are all history Libraries: IBM, STK, Quantum, Siemens (Centricstore). Appliances, only mainframe related: Luminex, Bustech, Interkom Gmbh. HTH -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 118.763.528 zotych. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchway XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchway XVI NWZ z dnia 27 padziernika 2008r., moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym BRE Banku SA bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This e-mail message and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of its authorized recipient(s). If you are not an intended or authorized recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not authorized to receive it, please immediately notify the sender and delete the original message and all copies of it from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
