Re: Using a PC as DASD
Nice. So you have a business plan. Complete them, don;t fight to replace enterprise storage. I would offer this as a secure FTP server, Portable disk backup (these days portable disks are more the 1TB in size). This functionality IBM/HDS/EMC doesn;t have. IBM bought XIV for functionality they (IBM) did have... Contact me offline of you want some ideas to market. Itschak On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:08 PM, shai hess wrote: > HI Itschak > I have a feature which enable you to read MVS file directly from PC. There > is an API which let you with simple C programming to read any MVS file > format by reading logical record for each read call (for VSAM only physical > record) directly from the PC which contained the emulation 3390 files. If > you want to learn more, download the PDF file documentation. Also I can FTP > a MVS dsname file directly to PC with my special QSM format. > > Thanks, > Shai > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:57 AM, Itschak Mugzach > wrote: > > > Hi Shai, > > > > I think your product could be a wonderful FTP replacement for mainframe > if > > the PC side would be able to read the file system of this 3390 emulation. > I > > also think that you shouldn't sell your product as an enterprise storage > > replacement. There is no competition between MFNETDISK and enterprise > > storage boxes. but, as a niche player, you might concentrate in FTP, disk > > sharing Portable disks (!) for 3rd copy and other functions that the big > > three doesn't do, or does more expensive. > > If you can't bit them, complete them ;-) > > > > Itschak > > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:52 AM, shai hess wrote: > > > > > HI, > > > > > > Using TCP you can not IPL the System. But to IPL you need a few real > > > devices. The other thousand can be any disks > > > > > > I meet with a few big companies about my product (banks, credit card > > > etc...). People love the idea, but all the big companies managers like > > big > > > companies like IBM, EMC and HDS. > > > One manager told me that if there will be a problems with disks of any > > > small > > > companies which distribute disks emulation, they will be fired, if the > > disk > > > is IBM disks nothing will happen to them. > > > Yes, I knew what he mean, that why the only market I have are small > > > companies (see "customers" in my site). > > > > > > If you want to make money, I do not think that create another 3390 > > > emulation > > > will make you rich, but if your cost is minimal and you love to create > > > software like me, go for it. I also love to play with animation, but > > right > > > now better programing the MFNetDisk. Nobody know what will happen > > tomorrow > > > and for sure if you live in Ashdod, Israel (near Gaza...). > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Shai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Itschak Mugzach > > >wrote: > > > > > > > How will he IPL his system if you use TCP/IP to communicate to the > PC? > > An > > > > easier way is to but an Escon to Ficon converter. There are some > > players > > > in > > > > this area. > > > > > > > > ITschak > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 7:45 AM, shai hess > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > HI, > > > > > > > > > > MFNetDisk uses the TCP a a media to connect the MF to any number > of > > PC > > > > > which can be Windows or Linux (ZLinux also). > > > > > > > > > > Easily I can add Ficon and Escon card using BUSTECH ( I have > > experince > > > > of > > > > > using bustech card in Escon and Ficon are) or other companies card > to > > > my > > > > > product but this will limit my ability to uses unlimited PCs with > > > > unlimited > > > > > devices and will make my product as one of many Disk MF companies. > > > > > > > > > > Currently the product emulates 3390 disks and many advance > features > > > > > which other big companies give. > > > > > But in the future I will add support to virtual tapes which will > > > support > > > > > unlimited PCS and tapes without any operator intervention's. > > > > > This will happen when I will be able to do it without any previous > > > > > obligations which I have and eventually will end. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Shai > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Ron Wells > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mfnetdisk.com/site/index-4.asp?depart_id=43973 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Email Disclaimer > > > > > > This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to > the > > > > > sender, > > > > > > which may be legally privileged information. This information > is > > > > > intended > > > > > > only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. > If > > > you > > > > > are > > > > > > not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent > > > responsible > > > > > for > > > > > > delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > > that > > > > any > > > >
Re: Using a PC as DASD
HI Itschak I have a feature which enable you to read MVS file directly from PC. There is an API which let you with simple C programming to read any MVS file format by reading logical record for each read call (for VSAM only physical record) directly from the PC which contained the emulation 3390 files. If you want to learn more, download the PDF file documentation. Also I can FTP a MVS dsname file directly to PC with my special QSM format. Thanks, Shai On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:57 AM, Itschak Mugzach wrote: > Hi Shai, > > I think your product could be a wonderful FTP replacement for mainframe if > the PC side would be able to read the file system of this 3390 emulation. I > also think that you shouldn't sell your product as an enterprise storage > replacement. There is no competition between MFNETDISK and enterprise > storage boxes. but, as a niche player, you might concentrate in FTP, disk > sharing Portable disks (!) for 3rd copy and other functions that the big > three doesn't do, or does more expensive. > If you can't bit them, complete them ;-) > > Itschak > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:52 AM, shai hess wrote: > > > HI, > > > > Using TCP you can not IPL the System. But to IPL you need a few real > > devices. The other thousand can be any disks > > > > I meet with a few big companies about my product (banks, credit card > > etc...). People love the idea, but all the big companies managers like > big > > companies like IBM, EMC and HDS. > > One manager told me that if there will be a problems with disks of any > > small > > companies which distribute disks emulation, they will be fired, if the > disk > > is IBM disks nothing will happen to them. > > Yes, I knew what he mean, that why the only market I have are small > > companies (see "customers" in my site). > > > > If you want to make money, I do not think that create another 3390 > > emulation > > will make you rich, but if your cost is minimal and you love to create > > software like me, go for it. I also love to play with animation, but > right > > now better programing the MFNetDisk. Nobody know what will happen > tomorrow > > and for sure if you live in Ashdod, Israel (near Gaza...). > > > > Thanks, > > Shai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Itschak Mugzach > >wrote: > > > > > How will he IPL his system if you use TCP/IP to communicate to the PC? > An > > > easier way is to but an Escon to Ficon converter. There are some > players > > in > > > this area. > > > > > > ITschak > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 7:45 AM, shai hess > wrote: > > > > > > > HI, > > > > > > > > MFNetDisk uses the TCP a a media to connect the MF to any number of > PC > > > > which can be Windows or Linux (ZLinux also). > > > > > > > > Easily I can add Ficon and Escon card using BUSTECH ( I have > experince > > > of > > > > using bustech card in Escon and Ficon are) or other companies card to > > my > > > > product but this will limit my ability to uses unlimited PCs with > > > unlimited > > > > devices and will make my product as one of many Disk MF companies. > > > > > > > > Currently the product emulates 3390 disks and many advance features > > > > which other big companies give. > > > > But in the future I will add support to virtual tapes which will > > support > > > > unlimited PCS and tapes without any operator intervention's. > > > > This will happen when I will be able to do it without any previous > > > > obligations which I have and eventually will end. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Shai > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Ron Wells > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://www.mfnetdisk.com/site/index-4.asp?depart_id=43973 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Email Disclaimer > > > > > This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the > > > > sender, > > > > > which may be legally privileged information. This information is > > > > intended > > > > > only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If > > you > > > > are > > > > > not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent > > responsible > > > > for > > > > > delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that > > > any > > > > > disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in > > > > reliance > > > > > on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly > > prohibited. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN > > INFO > > > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to lis
Re: Using a PC as DASD
Hi Shai, I think your product could be a wonderful FTP replacement for mainframe if the PC side would be able to read the file system of this 3390 emulation. I also think that you shouldn't sell your product as an enterprise storage replacement. There is no competition between MFNETDISK and enterprise storage boxes. but, as a niche player, you might concentrate in FTP, disk sharing Portable disks (!) for 3rd copy and other functions that the big three doesn't do, or does more expensive. If you can't bit them, complete them ;-) Itschak On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:52 AM, shai hess wrote: > HI, > > Using TCP you can not IPL the System. But to IPL you need a few real > devices. The other thousand can be any disks > > I meet with a few big companies about my product (banks, credit card > etc...). People love the idea, but all the big companies managers like big > companies like IBM, EMC and HDS. > One manager told me that if there will be a problems with disks of any > small > companies which distribute disks emulation, they will be fired, if the disk > is IBM disks nothing will happen to them. > Yes, I knew what he mean, that why the only market I have are small > companies (see "customers" in my site). > > If you want to make money, I do not think that create another 3390 > emulation > will make you rich, but if your cost is minimal and you love to create > software like me, go for it. I also love to play with animation, but right > now better programing the MFNetDisk. Nobody know what will happen tomorrow > and for sure if you live in Ashdod, Israel (near Gaza...). > > Thanks, > Shai > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Itschak Mugzach >wrote: > > > How will he IPL his system if you use TCP/IP to communicate to the PC? An > > easier way is to but an Escon to Ficon converter. There are some players > in > > this area. > > > > ITschak > > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 7:45 AM, shai hess wrote: > > > > > HI, > > > > > > MFNetDisk uses the TCP a a media to connect the MF to any number of PC > > > which can be Windows or Linux (ZLinux also). > > > > > > Easily I can add Ficon and Escon card using BUSTECH ( I have experince > > of > > > using bustech card in Escon and Ficon are) or other companies card to > my > > > product but this will limit my ability to uses unlimited PCs with > > unlimited > > > devices and will make my product as one of many Disk MF companies. > > > > > > Currently the product emulates 3390 disks and many advance features > > > which other big companies give. > > > But in the future I will add support to virtual tapes which will > support > > > unlimited PCS and tapes without any operator intervention's. > > > This will happen when I will be able to do it without any previous > > > obligations which I have and eventually will end. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Shai > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Ron Wells > > wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.mfnetdisk.com/site/index-4.asp?depart_id=43973 > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Email Disclaimer > > > > This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the > > > sender, > > > > which may be legally privileged information. This information is > > > intended > > > > only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If > you > > > are > > > > not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent > responsible > > > for > > > > delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > > any > > > > disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in > > > reliance > > > > on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly > prohibited. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN > INFO > > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html >
Re: Using a PC as DASD
HI, Using TCP you can not IPL the System. But to IPL you need a few real devices. The other thousand can be any disks I meet with a few big companies about my product (banks, credit card etc...). People love the idea, but all the big companies managers like big companies like IBM, EMC and HDS. One manager told me that if there will be a problems with disks of any small companies which distribute disks emulation, they will be fired, if the disk is IBM disks nothing will happen to them. Yes, I knew what he mean, that why the only market I have are small companies (see "customers" in my site). If you want to make money, I do not think that create another 3390 emulation will make you rich, but if your cost is minimal and you love to create software like me, go for it. I also love to play with animation, but right now better programing the MFNetDisk. Nobody know what will happen tomorrow and for sure if you live in Ashdod, Israel (near Gaza...). Thanks, Shai On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Itschak Mugzach wrote: > How will he IPL his system if you use TCP/IP to communicate to the PC? An > easier way is to but an Escon to Ficon converter. There are some players in > this area. > > ITschak > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 7:45 AM, shai hess wrote: > > > HI, > > > > MFNetDisk uses the TCP a a media to connect the MF to any number of PC > > which can be Windows or Linux (ZLinux also). > > > > Easily I can add Ficon and Escon card using BUSTECH ( I have experince > of > > using bustech card in Escon and Ficon are) or other companies card to my > > product but this will limit my ability to uses unlimited PCs with > unlimited > > devices and will make my product as one of many Disk MF companies. > > > > Currently the product emulates 3390 disks and many advance features > > which other big companies give. > > But in the future I will add support to virtual tapes which will support > > unlimited PCS and tapes without any operator intervention's. > > This will happen when I will be able to do it without any previous > > obligations which I have and eventually will end. > > > > Thanks, > > Shai > > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Ron Wells > wrote: > > > > > http://www.mfnetdisk.com/site/index-4.asp?depart_id=43973 > > > > > > -- > > > Email Disclaimer > > > This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the > > sender, > > > which may be legally privileged information. This information is > > intended > > > only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you > > are > > > not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible > > for > > > delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any > > > disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in > > reliance > > > on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Using a PC as DASD
How will he IPL his system if you use TCP/IP to communicate to the PC? An easier way is to but an Escon to Ficon converter. There are some players in this area. ITschak On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 7:45 AM, shai hess wrote: > HI, > > MFNetDisk uses the TCP a a media to connect the MF to any number of PC > which can be Windows or Linux (ZLinux also). > > Easily I can add Ficon and Escon card using BUSTECH ( I have experince of > using bustech card in Escon and Ficon are) or other companies card to my > product but this will limit my ability to uses unlimited PCs with unlimited > devices and will make my product as one of many Disk MF companies. > > Currently the product emulates 3390 disks and many advance features > which other big companies give. > But in the future I will add support to virtual tapes which will support > unlimited PCS and tapes without any operator intervention's. > This will happen when I will be able to do it without any previous > obligations which I have and eventually will end. > > Thanks, > Shai > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Ron Wells wrote: > > > http://www.mfnetdisk.com/site/index-4.asp?depart_id=43973 > > > > -- > > Email Disclaimer > > This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the > sender, > > which may be legally privileged information. This information is > intended > > only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you > are > > not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible > for > > delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > > disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in > reliance > > on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Using a PC as DASD
HI, MFNetDisk uses the TCP a a media to connect the MF to any number of PC which can be Windows or Linux (ZLinux also). Easily I can add Ficon and Escon card using BUSTECH ( I have experince of using bustech card in Escon and Ficon are) or other companies card to my product but this will limit my ability to uses unlimited PCs with unlimited devices and will make my product as one of many Disk MF companies. Currently the product emulates 3390 disks and many advance features which other big companies give. But in the future I will add support to virtual tapes which will support unlimited PCS and tapes without any operator intervention's. This will happen when I will be able to do it without any previous obligations which I have and eventually will end. Thanks, Shai On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Ron Wells wrote: > http://www.mfnetdisk.com/site/index-4.asp?depart_id=43973 > > -- > Email Disclaimer > This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, > which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended > only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you are > not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for > delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance > on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Using a PC as DASD
Bruce McKnight wrote: Greetings, This is kind of an odd question, so please bear with me. Last year we consolidated all of our LPARs onto a single z9. We have a z800 that is disconnected from everything and completely powered down. Once it rolls off the books, we'll probably roll it out to the dumpster (Of course we know we have to be environmentally conscious and recycle it appropriately. I was speaking figuratively.) It seems a shame to waste the hardware. I'd like to use it for a Linux proof-of-concept project. We could easily reconnect it to power and our network but DASD is a problem. We converted our array to FICON but the z800 only has ESCON. My question is this: Does anyone know of a way to use a fast PC with a big hard drive as mainframe DASD. I might be able to swing funds for an ESCON card for the PC and whatever software may be required ... within reason. The PC can run Linux or Windows. I'm just gathering feasibility info at this point. If I can't get a PC to act as a DASD server, the whole idea is moot. BUSTECH has a product (zDASD 3990 Controller) that I think does this. I have never used it, so I can't comment further on it. Richard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Using a PC as DASD
Optica makes a FICON-ESCON converter, not sure if you can use it reversed. http://www.opticatech.com > Bruce McKnight writes: > > This is kind of an odd question, so please bear with me. > > > > Last year we consolidated all of our LPARs onto a single z9. We > > have a z800 that is disconnected from everything and completely > > powered down. Once it rolls off the books, we'll probably roll it > > out to the dumpster (Of course we know we have to be environmentally > > conscious and recycle it appropriately. I was speaking > > figuratively.) > > > It seems a shame to waste the hardware. I'd like to use it for a > > Linux proof-of-concept project. We could easily reconnect it to > > power and our network but DASD is a problem. We converted our array > > to FICON but the z800 only has ESCON. > > > My question is this: Does anyone know of a way to use a fast PC with > > a big hard drive as mainframe DASD. I might be able to swing funds > > for an ESCON card for the PC and whatever software may be required ... > > within reason. The PC can run Linux or Windows. > > > I'm just gathering feasibility info at this point. If I can't get a > > PC to act as a DASD server, the whole idea is moot. > > > By the way, for anyone from IBM or any software company, we would > > definitely adhere to any software licensing and fee obligations. > > > _ > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with > Windows Live. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems 1700 Summit Lake Drive Tallahassee, FL. 32317 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Using a PC as DASD
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Re: Using a PC as DASD
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:47:25 -0500, Mark Pace wrote: >Luminex used to have a product called VirtualBlue 3990. It was a PC with >ESCON cards to turned it into a 3990 emulator. I haven't worked with them >in a few years so I don't know if the product still exists. > FlexCUB at http://www.funsoft.com/ from Fundamental Software (makers of FlexES) does the same. It is ESCON attached to the mainframe. You can then put emulated mainframe dasd on the PC using whatever attachment to the PC that it supports (IDE, SATA, eSATA, Fibre Channel, SAN, etc). -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Using a PC as DASD
Luminex used to have a product called VirtualBlue 3990. It was a PC with ESCON cards to turned it into a 3990 emulator. I haven't worked with them in a few years so I don't know if the product still exists. On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:25 PM, J R wrote: > Check out http://www.mfnetdisk.com/ . Shai Hess used to post on IBM-MAIN. > > > > > > Bruce McKnight writes: > > This is kind of an odd question, so please bear with me. > > > > Last year we consolidated all of our LPARs onto a single z9. We have > > a z800 that is disconnected from everything and completely powered > > down. Once it rolls off the books, we'll probably roll it out to the > > dumpster (Of course we know we have to be environmentally conscious > > and recycle it appropriately. I was speaking figuratively.) > > > It seems a shame to waste the hardware. I'd like to use it for a > > Linux proof-of-concept project. We could easily reconnect it to power > > and our network but DASD is a problem. We converted our array to > > FICON but the z800 only has ESCON. > > > My question is this: Does anyone know of a way to use a fast PC with a > > big hard drive as mainframe DASD. I might be able to swing funds for > > an ESCON card for the PC and whatever software may be required ... > > within reason. The PC can run Linux or Windows. > > > I'm just gathering feasibility info at this point. If I can't get a > > PC to act as a DASD server, the whole idea is moot. > > > By the way, for anyone from IBM or any software company, we would > > definitely adhere to any software licensing and fee obligations. > > > _ > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows > Live. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems 1700 Summit Lake Drive Tallahassee, FL. 32317 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Using a PC as DASD
Where's Shai Hess when we need him ? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of lynn Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Using a PC as DASD Bruce McKnight writes: > This is kind of an odd question, so please bear with me. > > Last year we consolidated all of our LPARs onto a single z9. We have > a z800 that is disconnected from everything and completely powered > down. Once it rolls off the books, we'll probably roll it out to the > dumpster (Of course we know we have to be environmentally conscious > and recycle it appropriately. I was speaking figuratively.) > > It seems a shame to waste the hardware. I'd like to use it for a > Linux proof-of-concept project. We could easily reconnect it to power > and our network but DASD is a problem. We converted our array to > FICON but the z800 only has ESCON. > > My question is this: Does anyone know of a way to use a fast PC with a > big hard drive as mainframe DASD. I might be able to swing funds for > an ESCON card for the PC and whatever software may be required ... > within reason. The PC can run Linux or Windows. > > I'm just gathering feasibility info at this point. If I can't get a > PC to act as a DASD server, the whole idea is moot. > > By the way, for anyone from IBM or any software company, we would > definitely adhere to any software licensing and fee obligations. NCAR was the orignal NAS/SAN (networked storage) ... they basically used HYPERChannel as the infrastructure (for both command flow as well as data flow). They had some number of "supercomputers" and a 4381 running MVS. MVS was treated as disk controller ... the supercomputers (cray & others) would send requests to MVS via hyperchannel. MVS would load channel programs into HYPERChannel A515 device adapter (a515 basically emulated mainframe channel to which disk controllers like 3880s were attached) ... and return the channel program "handle" to the supercomputer. The supercomputer then would invoke the (mainframe) channel program in the A515 to transfer the data (to/from disk). there was then some work in the Hippi switch standards bodies to allow similar nas/san functionality in the Hippi switch (3rd party transfers) with IPI disks (i.e. "server" sets up hippi switch and ipi disk transfers ... which then transfers data directly to/from disks). Similar capability was worked on in the FCS switch standards activity ... for a little drift, basically FICON is effectively a somewhat proprietary extension of FCS (fiber channel standard) ... there were lots of heated discussions with mainframe channel engineers in the FCS standards committee & on FCS standards mailing list. in some ways it can be viewed that the original NCAR capability (over the years) has evolved into nas/san. wiki page ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storage_area_network try search engines for nas, san freeware ... -- 40+yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar70 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1957 - Release Date: 02/19/09 10:48:00 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Using a PC as DASD
Check out http://www.mfnetdisk.com/ . Shai Hess used to post on IBM-MAIN. Bruce McKnight writes: > This is kind of an odd question, so please bear with me. > Last year we consolidated all of our LPARs onto a single z9. We have > a z800 that is disconnected from everything and completely powered > down. Once it rolls off the books, we'll probably roll it out to the > dumpster (Of course we know we have to be environmentally conscious > and recycle it appropriately. I was speaking figuratively.) > It seems a shame to waste the hardware. I'd like to use it for a > Linux proof-of-concept project. We could easily reconnect it to power > and our network but DASD is a problem. We converted our array to > FICON but the z800 only has ESCON. > My question is this: Does anyone know of a way to use a fast PC with a > big hard drive as mainframe DASD. I might be able to swing funds for > an ESCON card for the PC and whatever software may be required ... > within reason. The PC can run Linux or Windows. > I'm just gathering feasibility info at this point. If I can't get a > PC to act as a DASD server, the whole idea is moot. > By the way, for anyone from IBM or any software company, we would > definitely adhere to any software licensing and fee obligations. _ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Using a PC as DASD
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:07:50 -0800, lynn wrote: >Bruce McKnight writes: >> This is kind of an odd question, so please bear with me. >> ... >> My question is this: Does anyone know of a way to use a fast PC with a >> big hard drive as mainframe DASD. I might be able to swing funds for >> an ESCON card for the PC and whatever software may be required ... >> within reason. The PC can run Linux or Windows. >> ... Search the archives for Shai Hess. He was developing a PC based disk product that I think he hopes to market some day. I don't recall how it physically attached. He used to post pretty regularly here, but some got tired of his marketing and beat him into obscurity. Sounds like a fun project. Good Luck. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Using a PC as DASD
Bruce McKnight writes: > This is kind of an odd question, so please bear with me. > > Last year we consolidated all of our LPARs onto a single z9. We have > a z800 that is disconnected from everything and completely powered > down. Once it rolls off the books, we'll probably roll it out to the > dumpster (Of course we know we have to be environmentally conscious > and recycle it appropriately. I was speaking figuratively.) > > It seems a shame to waste the hardware. I'd like to use it for a > Linux proof-of-concept project. We could easily reconnect it to power > and our network but DASD is a problem. We converted our array to > FICON but the z800 only has ESCON. > > My question is this: Does anyone know of a way to use a fast PC with a > big hard drive as mainframe DASD. I might be able to swing funds for > an ESCON card for the PC and whatever software may be required ... > within reason. The PC can run Linux or Windows. > > I'm just gathering feasibility info at this point. If I can't get a > PC to act as a DASD server, the whole idea is moot. > > By the way, for anyone from IBM or any software company, we would > definitely adhere to any software licensing and fee obligations. NCAR was the orignal NAS/SAN (networked storage) ... they basically used HYPERChannel as the infrastructure (for both command flow as well as data flow). They had some number of "supercomputers" and a 4381 running MVS. MVS was treated as disk controller ... the supercomputers (cray & others) would send requests to MVS via hyperchannel. MVS would load channel programs into HYPERChannel A515 device adapter (a515 basically emulated mainframe channel to which disk controllers like 3880s were attached) ... and return the channel program "handle" to the supercomputer. The supercomputer then would invoke the (mainframe) channel program in the A515 to transfer the data (to/from disk). there was then some work in the Hippi switch standards bodies to allow similar nas/san functionality in the Hippi switch (3rd party transfers) with IPI disks (i.e. "server" sets up hippi switch and ipi disk transfers ... which then transfers data directly to/from disks). Similar capability was worked on in the FCS switch standards activity ... for a little drift, basically FICON is effectively a somewhat proprietary extension of FCS (fiber channel standard) ... there were lots of heated discussions with mainframe channel engineers in the FCS standards committee & on FCS standards mailing list. in some ways it can be viewed that the original NCAR capability (over the years) has evolved into nas/san. wiki page ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storage_area_network try search engines for nas, san freeware ... -- 40+yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar70 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
