Re: Where to find classes for VTAM
John Hamman wrote: Yeah, but... Neither course is scheduled, and both have been priced out of range for our purposes. FWIW - Individual Onsite Training is the only option... I'm curious about that choice of words. It could mean: 1. One-on-one mentoring 2. Self-study (books, media, internet) But does Individual rule out classrooms with 8-16 students in them, on your site? Whose site? Does it mean only your location, or can you send students to other company locations' sites? Obviously not to IBM training sites, judging by the context. Finally, what kind of prices are in range for your purposes? Just kinda' curious, ya' know. John Hamman Senior Systems Programmer BlueCross BlueShield of Mississippi 601.664.4410 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques == call or email to receive a free sample student handout == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where to find classes for VTAM
IBM has two listed on their training web site at (watch for URL wrapping) http://www-304.ibm.com/jct03001c/services/learning/ites.wss/us/en?pageType=courses_azsubChapterInd=CsortBy=6subChapter=354 VTAM/APPN Concepts and Implementation VTAM/NCP MSN and SNI Implementation Mark T. Regan, K8MTR CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1991) - Original Message From: Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:57:31 PM Subject: Where to find classes for VTAM I am suppose to put to gether some classes for this year. I thought I would like to add VTAM to a list of things I can do. But I cannot seem to find any classes for VTAM, APPN, or EE. Does anyone have any recommendations? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where to find classes for VTAM
Yeah, but... Neither course is scheduled, and both have been priced out of range for our purposes. FWIW - Individual Onsite Training is the only option... John Hamman Senior Systems Programmer BlueCross BlueShield of Mississippi 601.664.4410 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark T. Regan, K8MTR [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/29/2008 5:35:54 AM IBM has two listed on their training web site at (watch for URL wrapping) http://www-304.ibm.com/jct03001c/services/learning/ites.wss/us/en?pageType=courses_azsubChapterInd=CsortBy=6subChapter=354 VTAM/APPN Concepts and Implementation VTAM/NCP MSN and SNI Implementation Mark T. Regan, K8MTR CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1991) - Original Message From: Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:57:31 PM Subject: Where to find classes for VTAM I am suppose to put to gether some classes for this year. I thought I would like to add VTAM to a list of things I can do. But I cannot seem to find any classes for VTAM, APPN, or EE. Does anyone have any recommendations? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html * The information contained in this message, and attachments hereto, may be privileged/confidential, and may contain protected health information that is subject to use and disclosure restrictions under federal law. It is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the original message and any copy of it from your computer system. All recipients are expected to maintain appropriate protections on the information contained herein. * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where to find classes for VTAM
I've been trying to get two of my Systems Programmers into a VTAM class for over a year and a half with no success. I've had them registered for scheduled classes that were eventually cancelled because they didn't make. I just guess there isn't a lot of interest in VTAM anymore... If I can get one scheduled locally, I'll let you know because we will probably need warm bodies to get the class to make. Charles S. Kammer -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Hamman Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Where to find classes for VTAM Yeah, but... Neither course is scheduled, and both have been priced out of range for our purposes. FWIW - Individual Onsite Training is the only option... John Hamman Senior Systems Programmer BlueCross BlueShield of Mississippi 601.664.4410 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark T. Regan, K8MTR [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/29/2008 5:35:54 AM IBM has two listed on their training web site at (watch for URL wrapping) http://www-304.ibm.com/jct03001c/services/learning/ites.wss/us/en?pageTy pe=courses_azsubChapterInd=CsortBy=6subChapter=354 VTAM/APPN Concepts and Implementation VTAM/NCP MSN and SNI Implementation Mark T. Regan, K8MTR CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1991) - Original Message From: Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:57:31 PM Subject: Where to find classes for VTAM I am suppose to put to gether some classes for this year. I thought I would like to add VTAM to a list of things I can do. But I cannot seem to find any classes for VTAM, APPN, or EE. Does anyone have any recommendations? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html * The information contained in this message, and attachments hereto, may be privileged/confidential, and may contain protected health information that is subject to use and disclosure restrictions under federal law. It is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the original message and any copy of it from your computer system. All recipients are expected to maintain appropriate protections on the information contained herein. * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where to find classes for VTAM
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:57:22 -0500, Kammer, Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I just guess there isn't a lot of interest in VTAM anymore... And yet the APPN and EE sessions are always pretty well attended at SHARE. There probably is no market for a VTAM/NCP course, but there probably is for a VTAM/APPN course. But the market is small at any one time and for any one level of experience. IBM (or some other company) would be smart to develop a set of web-based classes giving VTAM basics for the MVS system programmer APPN basics for people that have VTAM basics Enterprise Extender basics for those with basic APPN knowledge Basic SNA problem determination and solution APPN / EE problem determination and solution Actually, I'd be surprised if that hadn't already been done. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where to find classes for VTAM
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:40:36 -0500, Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:57:22 -0500, Kammer, Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I just guess there isn't a lot of interest in VTAM anymore... And yet the APPN and EE sessions are always pretty well attended at SHARE. There probably is no market for a VTAM/NCP course, but there probably is for a VTAM/APPN course. But the market is small at any one time and for any one level of experience. IBM (or some other company) would be smart to develop a set of web-based classes giving VTAM basics for the MVS system programmer APPN basics for people that have VTAM basics Enterprise Extender basics for those with basic APPN knowledge Basic SNA problem determination and solution APPN / EE problem determination and solution Actually, I'd be surprised if that hadn't already been done. ADG (James E. Anderson) taught some excellent VTAM classes in the past and IIRC he also taught CICS classes. I took one in 1996 (one of the few formal education opportunities I had in my career prior to my current employer).One of the best parts of the classes were the small VTAM booklets Jim gave you as part of the class (similar to the OS/VS2 debugging handbooks mentioned recently in this forum). After the class I kept in touch with Jim and even got him a gig teaching an on-site class at one of my clients (which I was allowed to attend for free - although I could not bill my client for the time :-) ). I think attendance dropped off to the point where he could no longer teach the classes and last I heard from him (which was quite a few years ago) he was doing assembler programming for some ISV (I don't recall which one). Jim, if you are out there... Hello! Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Where to find classes for VTAM
I am suppose to put to gether some classes for this year. I thought I would like to add VTAM to a list of things I can do. But I cannot seem to find any classes for VTAM, APPN, or EE. Does anyone have any recommendations? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
