Re: ftp.exe and Vista
In blu149-w1376961212eb4a2175f38da1...@phx.gbl, on 06/03/2010 at 11:02 AM, Dave Salt ds...@hotmail.com said: If all else fails you could try using the ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA.EXE) to do file transfers. I use it all the time and I prefer it over FTP. If you need information on how to install or use it let me know. I use WSA, and periodically find it very frustrating. The work station integration isn't. The entry fields for workstation files don't allow for long paths and the code doesn't put up a selection list if I provide a directory name. Does SimplList® Do anything to make the access to workstation files under ISPF more seamless? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SimpList (was: ftp.exe and Vista)
) the default function for the above object list is E (Edit), then clicking object 1 edits the file on the mainframe, while clicking object 3 edits the file on the PC. Either way, the updated file is automatically saved on the PC. The PC mac address can be obtained by clicking object 7, a game can be launched by clicking object 12, the SimpList user guide can be opened by clicking object 27, and so on. One of the biggest advantages for me is the ability to store PC commands as I can never remember them. For example, if I want to know the Windows version I can simply click object 18. Many people like the file transfer feature, as all you have to do is select files from a list and select the destination from a list and the transfer takes place. There are no FTP commands and passwords (etc) that have to be remembered or entered. I personally can't imagine working in an environment where the mainframe and PC aren't seamlessly connected as it would be like working with one arm tied behind my back. plug SimpList is EXTREMELY inexpensive and saves TONS of time and effort. Click the link below to download a free trial copy. Add 5 libraries to a logon procedure and installation is complete. There's nothing to compile/link/authorize/customize (etc), so it usually takes about 20 minutes to install. Anyone can install it in their own personal libraries and no special authority or privileges are required. Anyone who subscribes to this list can have a special extended trial of 3 months instead of 30 days by contacting me off-list. /plug Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - try it; you'll get it! http://www.mackinney.com/products/program-development/simplist.html Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 00:26:57 -0400 From: shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net Subject: Re: ftp.exe and Vista To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu In blu149-w1376961212eb4a2175f38da1...@phx.gbl, on 06/03/2010 at 11:02 AM, Dave Salt ds...@hotmail.com said: If all else fails you could try using the ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA.EXE) to do file transfers. I use it all the time and I prefer it over FTP. If you need information on how to install or use it let me know. I use WSA, and periodically find it very frustrating. The work station integration isn't. The entry fields for workstation files don't allow for long paths and the code doesn't put up a selection list if I provide a directory name. Does SimplList® Do anything to make the access to workstation files under ISPF more seamless? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ MSN Dating: Find someone special. Start now. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9734384 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
ftp.exe and Vista
You can try BlueZone Secure FTP. It is free for commercial use and works well on Vista and works well with the mainframe. You will still have to resolve any firewall issues, but UAC should not be a problem as long as you have write access to the target directory. Steve Bireley SVP BlueZone Development Rocket Software 70 Main St. Suite 51 . Warrenton VA 22701 . USA Office: + 1 404 364 1731 . Mobile + 1 571 216 3530 Email sbire...@bluezonesoftware.com Web: www.bluezonesoftware.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ftp.exe and Vista
Good Idea. Temporarily turned off both Vista and McAfee, but same occurs. I've tried other files as well, they all appear to successfully transmit with byte counts but remain empty on MF. Interesting. I'm going to check some FTP logs from yesterday, I don't have ability to view real time. Thanks Kirk Wolf wrote: Sounds a little like the Vista firewall might be stepping on the FTP data connections. Try disabling the firewall completely (temporarily!!) and see if the problem goes away. HTH, Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:05 PM, C. Ardillo cardill...@comcast.net wrote: I hope some of the network guru's out there can point me in the right direction. I've been using command line FTP, doing PUT's and GET's to the MF for the past couple of years. I just migrated to a Vista PC. GET's work, PUT's appear to work - transfer is successful, bytes are transmitted, the file is allocated but it is empty. Has anyone experienced this behavior? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ftp.exe and Vista
Well as suspected, the log shows 0 bytes input even tho the client shows byte counts. All of the other connection and allocation messages are in order with successful transmits. Empty file transmission TRANS MVS DSN=xx TRANS Stru=F Mode=S Type=A Input=0 bytes TRANS Reply=250 Transfer completed successfully. Don't know how much farther i'll get on this before end of week but will post a resolution, even if its drop back to XP. C. Ardillo wrote: Good Idea. Temporarily turned off both Vista and McAfee, but same occurs. I've tried other files as well, they all appear to successfully transmit with byte counts but remain empty on MF. Interesting. I'm going to check some FTP logs from yesterday, I don't have ability to view real time. Thanks Kirk Wolf wrote: Sounds a little like the Vista firewall might be stepping on the FTP data connections. Try disabling the firewall completely (temporarily!!) and see if the problem goes away. HTH, Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:05 PM, C. Ardillo cardill...@comcast.net wrote: I hope some of the network guru's out there can point me in the right direction. I've been using command line FTP, doing PUT's and GET's to the MF for the past couple of years. I just migrated to a Vista PC. GET's work, PUT's appear to work - transfer is successful, bytes are transmitted, the file is allocated but it is empty. Has anyone experienced this behavior? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ftp.exe and Vista
In a message dated 6/3/2010 9:10:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, cardill...@comcast.net writes: Don't know how much farther i'll get on this before end of week but will post a resolution, even if its drop back to XP. How about switching to better FTP client? _www.ipswitch.com_ (http://www.ipswitch.com) or something -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ftp.exe and Vista
I hear ya, but only certain apps can be authenticated for access into the MF. WS-FTP is one and is much easier to use. I may end up shelling out for licensed copy as a viable option. Ed Finnell wrote: In a message dated 6/3/2010 9:10:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, cardill...@comcast.net writes: Don't know how much farther i'll get on this before end of week but will post a resolution, even if its drop back to XP. How about switching to better FTP client? _www.ipswitch.com_ (http://www.ipswitch.com) or something -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ftp.exe and Vista
If all else fails you could try using the ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA.EXE) to do file transfers. I use it all the time and I prefer it over FTP. If you need information on how to install or use it let me know. Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - try it; you'll get it! http://www.mackinney.com/products/program-development/simplist.html Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 10:10:21 -0400 From: cardill...@comcast.net Subject: Re: ftp.exe and Vista To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Well as suspected, the log shows 0 bytes input even tho the client shows byte counts. All of the other connection and allocation messages are in order with successful transmits. Empty file transmission TRANS MVS DSN=xx TRANS Stru=F Mode=S Type=A Input=0 bytes TRANS Reply=250 Transfer completed successfully. Don't know how much farther i'll get on this before end of week but will post a resolution, even if its drop back to XP. C. Ardillo wrote: Good Idea. Temporarily turned off both Vista and McAfee, but same occurs. I've tried other files as well, they all appear to successfully transmit with byte counts but remain empty on MF. Interesting. I'm going to check some FTP logs from yesterday, I don't have ability to view real time. Thanks Kirk Wolf wrote: Sounds a little like the Vista firewall might be stepping on the FTP data connections. Try disabling the firewall completely (temporarily!!) and see if the problem goes away. HTH, Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:05 PM, C. Ardillo cardill...@comcast.net wrote: I hope some of the network guru's out there can point me in the right direction. I've been using command line FTP, doing PUT's and GET's to the MF for the past couple of years. I just migrated to a Vista PC. GET's work, PUT's appear to work - transfer is successful, bytes are transmitted, the file is allocated but it is empty. Has anyone experienced this behavior? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ MSN Dating: Find someone special. Start now. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9734384 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ftp.exe and Vista
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 10:31:02 -0400, C. Ardillo wrote: I hear ya, but only certain apps can be authenticated for access into the MF. ... ??? !!! ??? How can they enforce this? Connect; User; Password; ... And, especially, why: Ed Finnell wrote: How about switching to better FTP client? _www.ipswitch.com_ (http://www.ipswitch.com) or something -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ftp.exe and Vista
I have run into something similar before with the VISTA UAC. Command prompts aren't started as an administrator, even if you are an administrator of the box when you start it. It lets you create a file, but not populate it, etc. I don't understand completely the reasoning behind it, but I've seen it. It would have been helpful if sudo or something similar were built in for this, but the only way I am familiar to get around this is through the gui, or starting a new command prompt from a runas statement and switching to that. If you create a shortcut to cmd.exe and then right click it, choose run as administrator, and then try using ftp.exe. Or you can go to the start menu, and put in cmd and then hit ctrl+shift+enter and that will do it to. I don't know if this is your particular situation, but worth a shot. Frank Finley -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of C. Ardillo Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: ftp.exe and Vista I hear ya, but only certain apps can be authenticated for access into the MF. WS-FTP is one and is much easier to use. I may end up shelling out for licensed copy as a viable option. Ed Finnell wrote: In a message dated 6/3/2010 9:10:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, cardill...@comcast.net writes: Don't know how much farther i'll get on this before end of week but will post a resolution, even if its drop back to XP. How about switching to better FTP client? _www.ipswitch.com_ (http://www.ipswitch.com) or something -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ftp.exe and Vista
There are many, many clients out there. Many work with z/os, some don't. If you are in the position of supporting many different outside customers, you cringe at the thought of the calls demanding that your reboot z/os or fix z/os because their brand new software does not work right out of the box. It make some sense to have a list of products/versions known to work with z/os. For the case in point, one possible recourse is to simply delete that product from the 'approved' list. Enforcement is not that hard for company machines these days. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: ftp.exe and Vista On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 10:31:02 -0400, C. Ardillo wrote: I hear ya, but only certain apps can be authenticated for access into the MF. ... ??? !!! ??? How can they enforce this? Connect; User; Password; ... And, especially, why: Ed Finnell wrote: How about switching to better FTP client? _www.ipswitch.com_ (http://www.ipswitch.com) or something -- gil NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ftp.exe and Vista
It could be as simple as Data connection not being established. You could try quote PASV in which case the data connection would be setup from client side. Also you can check the settings via quote stat command. If it is passive try Active mode or vice versa. Natarajan NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY The information contained in this communication, including but not limited to any accompanying document(s) and/or attachment(s), is privileged and confidential and is intended solely for the above-named individual(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that any distribution, copying, disclosure, and/or use of the information contained herein is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error, please destroy all copies of the communication, whether in electronic or hard copy format, and immediately contact the Security Office at EdFund at (916) 526-7539 or securityoff...@edfund.org. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ftp.exe and Vista
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:26:14 -0700, Natarajan Mohan wrote: It could be as simple as Data connection not being established. You could try quote PASV in which case the data connection would be setup from client side. Also you can check the settings via quote stat command. If it is passive try Active mode or vice versa. sftp is not only more secure, but more firewall-friendly (no reverse connection). But logic is no cause to expect it to be on the OP's whitelist. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ftp.exe and Vista
Good idea, I tried that already was certainly something to look at - still same problem. Natarajan Mohan wrote: It could be as simple as Data connection not being established. You could try quote PASV in which case the data connection would be setup from client side. Also you can check the settings via quote stat command. If it is passive try Active mode or vice versa. Natarajan NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY The information contained in this communication, including but not limited to any accompanying document(s) and/or attachment(s), is privileged and confidential and is intended solely for the above-named individual(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that any distribution, copying, disclosure, and/or use of the information contained herein is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error, please destroy all copies of the communication, whether in electronic or hard copy format, and immediately contact the Security Office at EdFund at (916) 526-7539 or securityoff...@edfund.org. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ftp.exe and Vista
This is something i'll look into. The only impediment to attempting is that the authentication system that allows MF access may not allow me to alter the way programs are started up. But I will look into. Thanks. Finley, Frank wrote: I have run into something similar before with the VISTA UAC. Command prompts aren't started as an administrator, even if you are an administrator of the box when you start it. It lets you create a file, but not populate it, etc. I don't understand completely the reasoning behind it, but I've seen it. It would have been helpful if sudo or something similar were built in for this, but the only way I am familiar to get around this is through the gui, or starting a new command prompt from a runas statement and switching to that. If you create a shortcut to cmd.exe and then right click it, choose run as administrator, and then try using ftp.exe. Or you can go to the start menu, and put in cmd and then hit ctrl+shift+enter and that will do it to. I don't know if this is your particular situation, but worth a shot. Frank Finley -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of C. Ardillo Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: ftp.exe and Vista I hear ya, but only certain apps can be authenticated for access into the MF. WS-FTP is one and is much easier to use. I may end up shelling out for licensed copy as a viable option. Ed Finnell wrote: In a message dated 6/3/2010 9:10:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, cardill...@comcast.net writes: Don't know how much farther i'll get on this before end of week but will post a resolution, even if its drop back to XP. How about switching to better FTP client? _www.ipswitch.com_ (http://www.ipswitch.com) or something -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
ftp.exe and Vista
I hope some of the network guru's out there can point me in the right direction. I've been using command line FTP, doing PUT's and GET's to the MF for the past couple of years. I just migrated to a Vista PC. GET's work, PUT's appear to work - transfer is successful, bytes are transmitted, the file is allocated but it is empty. Has anyone experienced this behavior? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ftp.exe and Vista
Sounds a little like the Vista firewall might be stepping on the FTP data connections. Try disabling the firewall completely (temporarily!!) and see if the problem goes away. HTH, Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:05 PM, C. Ardillo cardill...@comcast.net wrote: I hope some of the network guru's out there can point me in the right direction. I've been using command line FTP, doing PUT's and GET's to the MF for the past couple of years. I just migrated to a Vista PC. GET's work, PUT's appear to work - transfer is successful, bytes are transmitted, the file is allocated but it is empty. Has anyone experienced this behavior? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
