Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
From what I understand, myriad regulatory agencies around the world require the single accessible big red power switch design, and not only for servers but also for a wide variety of non-computing equipment, small and large. IBM may or may not have a different design philosophy about its red switch(es), but it doesn't matter. IBM does offer solutions with two power switches. That'd be two frames, ideally coupled and physically separated. - - - - - Timothy Sipples Resident Architect (Based in Singapore) STG Value Creation and Complex Deals Team IBM Growth Markets E-Mail: timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
I'm afraid I was responsible for a shield, but on a bank of 3490 drives. For some reason, the (unshielded) power switch was placed at EXACTLY the same level as a button on the back pocket of suit pants. Anyone leaning against the drives... The first time an entire string of tape drives powered down, no one could figure it out. I was busted the second time it happened. Soon thereafter shields were velcroed over the power switch. For a while, I was suspected for any unexplained outage, whether it was my shift or not. To the designer of the 3490 cabinet, thanks a lot. Regards, Kevin Kinney -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
I was working, in Montreal, in the early 1980's. We had a true rookie, out on the floor sitting at an AMDAHL console on the Control Element of one of our 470's. The Payroll clerk had just come in with the bi-weekly card decks for our run. She handed them to the reader operator, and he fed them in, as the cheque run started. Suddenly, she noticed that it was the inputs for the run, two weeks ago. She suddenly screamed that we had to stop the system, it was an emergency. The rookie obliged and hit the big red button to the right of the screen. Bamf! It took four Amdahl reps over 12 hours to replace everything that overheated, because with an EPO, even the fans stop. The rookie got to keep his job though. He was, as I stated, a true rookie, with less than an hour's worth of experience. Of course, we kidded him mercilessly. Especially, the rookies, of which I was one of them. At the time, I was less than 6 months on the job. I never did find out what happened to the payroll clerk, though. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
Our tape carriers used to do the same thing. The off button was just at the right height to be hit by an inadvertent push of the tape carriers. Jon L. Veilleux veilleu...@aetna.com (860) 636-9179 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Kevin Kinney Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 8:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: taking down the machine - z9 series I'm afraid I was responsible for a shield, but on a bank of 3490 drives. For some reason, the (unshielded) power switch was placed at EXACTLY the same level as a button on the back pocket of suit pants. Anyone leaning against the drives... The first time an entire string of tape drives powered down, no one could figure it out. I was busted the second time it happened. Soon thereafter shields were velcroed over the power switch. For a while, I was suspected for any unexplained outage, whether it was my shift or not. To the designer of the 3490 cabinet, thanks a lot. Regards, Kevin Kinney -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Aetna -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
No just the old 470s ... You cut the fans, you cut the air - then the heat moves from the heat sinks back into the chip(s). Bad, all bad. Have you seen how big the heat sinks are these days - even on PCs ?. Densely packed chips generate a *lot* of heat. Shane ... Bamf! It took four Amdahl reps over 12 hours to replace everything that overheated, because with an EPO, even the fans stop. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. eamacn...@yahoo.ca (Ted MacNEIL) writes: She suddenly screamed that we had to stop the system, it was an emergency. The rookie obliged and hit the big red button to the right of the screen. Bamf! It took four Amdahl reps over 12 hours to replace everything that overheated, because with an EPO, even the fans stop. there is the early 3081 TCM story about heat exchange had flow sensor on the inboard side ... but not on the outboard side (of the heat exchanger). one customer lost flow on the outboard side of the heat exchanger ... and there was so much heat in the system ... that by the time the thermal sensors caught the rise in temperature ... it was too late ... and fried all the TCMs (a TCM ran something like low six figures). after that, systems were retrofitted with flow sensors on the outboard side. description (some) of 3081 technology http://www.jfsowa.com/computer/memo125.htm misc. past posts mentioning frying 3081 TCMs http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000b.html#36 How to learn assembler language for OS/390 ? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000b.html#38 How to learn assembler language for OS/390 ? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001k.html#4 hot chips and nuclear reactors http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#13 IBM Mainframe at home http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004p.html#35 IBM 3614 and 3624 ATM's http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004p.html#36 IBM 3614 and 3624 ATM's http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004p.html#41 IBM 3614 and 3624 ATM's http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#96 A Blast from the Past http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#77 Z11 - Water cooling? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#43 What was old is new again (water chilled) -- 42yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:10:26 -0400, Veilleux, Jon L veilleu...@aetna.com wrote: Our tape carriers used to do the same thing. The off button was just at the right height to be hit by an inadvertent push of the tape carriers. It's not just old equipment. On the z9/z10, the shield for the power switch is on the door. If you open the door, no shield. We had some UPS work scheduled, so our IBM CE had the door open and one of the service processors open. He was talking with one of our operators who reached out his hand to lean against the frame and leaned on the power switch. Apparently, if you push the power switch in slightly, it will toggle ??? I don't know. Never tried it. Anyway, the z9 goes dark. The no outage UPS work turned into a major outage. Maybe IBM should design a separate switch for each power feed ??? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
From: Mark Jacobs mark.jac...@custserv.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 8:56:01 AM Subject: Re: taking down the machine - z9 series ---SNIP--- We called it a 'Sheldon shield' after an operator hit the IML button on the old 3033 console keyboard several times unexpectedly. snip -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL Mark: Funny you should talk about this. Long ago and far away when I worked for the same company you are at we had a MP168 and we had several issues like the one you mentioned. The one that I remember the most was the EPO on the console. One of the operators hung something on it and of course the contents shifted and oops no system. Unfortunately this was at a time we were IPLing 15 times a day for some other issue and the DC manager was furious and actually threw a listing or a magazine at the operator and (chuckle) that hit the operator and then hit the power off button, can we say OOPS.. Operator was not hurt but was really po'ed. (I can tell you a further story but it would have to be offline). After that we had a hinged plastic square put on both consoles so that would not happen again and then the EPO was labeled in big red letters to stay away from. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:44:45 +0300, Matan Cohen matancohen...@gmail.com wrote: in the past I remeber i was told never to cut power using the emergency switch ( i don't know the reason for that but it was said by a wise man). There were machines that had built-in fire extinguishers. These would trip when the emergency power-off switch was hit. Needless to say that could cause some havoc... Jantje. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
taking down the machine - z9 series
Hi, When the situation force you to taking down the machine (due to Electricity power cut) , after taking down the lpars. do you perform anything else beside deactivation of the CPC ? i met a diffrent opinion in this matter . -- best regards, matan cohen MF System Administrator. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
I'm assuming that the electricity power cut, or whatever is happening, is scheduled. You know ahead of time that it is going to happen. If the power to your data center is going to be shut down for some reason wouldn't you want to have a controlled power down of the complete data center? I know in the good old days if power was all of a sudden cut to the disk drives, head crashes were sure to occur. I don't know if that is a problem or not these days. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Matan Cohen Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: taking down the machine - z9 series Hi, When the situation force you to taking down the machine (due to Electricity power cut) , after taking down the lpars. do you perform anything else beside deactivation of the CPC ? i met a diffrent opinion in this matter . -- best regards, matan cohen MF System Administrator. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html * If you wish to communicate securely with Commerce Bank and its affiliates, you must log into your account under Online Services at http://www.commercebank.com or use the Commerce Bank Secure Email Message Center at https://securemail.commercebank.com NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system. * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
Matan Cohen pisze: Hi, When the situation force you to taking down the machine (due to Electricity power cut) , after taking down the lpars. do you perform anything else beside deactivation of the CPC ? i met a diffrent opinion in this matter . Yes, we do. We shutdown SE and then cut the power using emergency switch. Electricity works could mean several up-down sequences which are not good for any machine. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 118.763.528 zotych. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchway XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchway XVI NWZ z dnia 27 padziernika 2008r., moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym BRE Banku SA bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
R.S wrote We shutdown SE SE stand for? I did this sort of shutdown at diffrent Data center the time elctricity power cut is schedule from advance. in the past I remeber i was told never to cut power using the emergency switch ( i don't know the reason for that but it was said by a wise man). tom- i do want to perform a control power cut. i asked on the best way to perform this for the Z machine On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 3:28 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.plwrote: Matan Cohen pisze: Hi, When the situation force you to taking down the machine (due to Electricity power cut) , after taking down the lpars. do you perform anything else beside deactivation of the CPC ? i met a diffrent opinion in this matter . Yes, we do. We shutdown SE and then cut the power using emergency switch. Electricity works could mean several up-down sequences which are not good for any machine. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl S d Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru S dowego, nr rejestru przedsi biorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wed ug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zak adowy BRE Banku SA (w ca o ci wp acony) wynosi 118.763.528 z otych. W zwi zku z realizacj warunkowego podwy szenia kapita u zak adowego, na podstawie uchwa y XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchwa y XVI NWZ z dnia 27 pa dziernika 2008r., mo e ulec podwy szeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z . Akcje w podwy szonym kapitale zak adowym BRE Banku SA b d w ca o ci op acone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- best regards, matan cohen MF System Administrator. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
SE = System Element. The laptops within the z9. I would also shutdown the HMC (Hardware Management Console). On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Matan Cohen matancohen...@gmail.comwrote: R.S wrote We shutdown SE SE stand for? I did this sort of shutdown at diffrent Data center the time elctricity power cut is schedule from advance. in the past I remeber i was told never to cut power using the emergency switch ( i don't know the reason for that but it was said by a wise man). tom- i do want to perform a control power cut. i asked on the best way to perform this for the Z machine On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 3:28 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: Matan Cohen pisze: Hi, When the situation force you to taking down the machine (due to Electricity power cut) , after taking down the lpars. do you perform anything else beside deactivation of the CPC ? i met a diffrent opinion in this matter . Yes, we do. We shutdown SE and then cut the power using emergency switch. Electricity works could mean several up-down sequences which are not good for any machine. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl S d Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru S dowego, nr rejestru przedsi biorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wed ug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zak adowy BRE Banku SA (w ca o ci wp acony) wynosi 118.763.528 z otych. W zwi zku z realizacj warunkowego podwy szenia kapita u zak adowego, na podstawie uchwa y XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchwa y XVI NWZ z dnia 27 pa dziernika 2008r., mo e ulec podwy szeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z . Akcje w podwy szonym kapitale zak adowym BRE Banku SA b d w ca o ci op acone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- best regards, matan cohen MF System Administrator. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems 1700 Summit Lake Drive Tallahassee, FL. 32317 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
Mark Pace pisze: SE = System Element. The laptops within the z9. I would also shutdown the HMC (Hardware Management Console). I would do the same IF the HMC was in the same room, on the same switch. I would do the same for every device on the circuit. vbg BTW: SE = Support Element. A laptop (singular) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 118.763.528 zotych. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchway XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchway XVI NWZ z dnia 27 padziernika 2008r., moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym BRE Banku SA bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
If your ICFs do not have battery backup, make sure the data is written out and/or do a backup/restore equivalent of whatever software is using it for data. Most shops do structure rebuilds or duplexing, but that doesn't work when *all* power is removed from all ICFs. Food for thought, Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Kelman, Tom Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:28 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: taking down the machine - z9 series I'm assuming that the electricity power cut, or whatever is happening, is scheduled. You know ahead of time that it is going to happen. If the power to your data center is going to be shut down for some reason wouldn't you want to have a controlled power down of the complete data center? I know in the good old days if power was all of a sudden cut to the disk drives, head crashes were sure to occur. I don't know if that is a problem or not these days. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Matan Cohen Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: taking down the machine - z9 series Hi, When the situation force you to taking down the machine (due to Electricity power cut) , after taking down the lpars. do you perform anything else beside deactivation of the CPC ? i met a diffrent opinion in this matter . -- best regards, matan cohen MF System Administrator. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html * If you wish to communicate securely with Commerce Bank and its affiliates, you must log into your account under Online Services at http://www.commercebank.com or use the Commerce Bank Secure Email Message Center at https://securemail.commercebank.com NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system. * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
IBM told me not to shutdown the SE. IBM saying to perform deactivation and then CPC shutdown. On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Mark Pace mpac...@gmail.com wrote: SE = System Element. The laptops within the z9. I would also shutdown the HMC (Hardware Management Console). On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Matan Cohen matancohen...@gmail.com wrote: R.S wrote We shutdown SE SE stand for? I did this sort of shutdown at diffrent Data center the time elctricity power cut is schedule from advance. in the past I remeber i was told never to cut power using the emergency switch ( i don't know the reason for that but it was said by a wise man). tom- i do want to perform a control power cut. i asked on the best way to perform this for the Z machine On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 3:28 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: Matan Cohen pisze: Hi, When the situation force you to taking down the machine (due to Electricity power cut) , after taking down the lpars. do you perform anything else beside deactivation of the CPC ? i met a diffrent opinion in this matter . Yes, we do. We shutdown SE and then cut the power using emergency switch. Electricity works could mean several up-down sequences which are not good for any machine. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl S d Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru S dowego, nr rejestru przedsi biorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wed ug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zak adowy BRE Banku SA (w ca o ci wp acony) wynosi 118.763.528 z otych. W zwi zku z realizacj warunkowego podwy szenia kapita u zak adowego, na podstawie uchwa y XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchwa y XVI NWZ z dnia 27 pa dziernika 2008r., mo e ulec podwy szeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z . Akcje w podwy szonym kapitale zak adowym BRE Banku SA b d w ca o ci op acone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- best regards, matan cohen MF System Administrator. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems 1700 Summit Lake Drive Tallahassee, FL. 32317 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- best regards, matan cohen MF System Administrator. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
We had just such a requirement a few weeks back. Our IBM CE recommended the following: Before the power is going to be switched off: Shutdown systems Deactivate Lpars Deactivate CPC(wait for the CEC to power off)CPC Icon now Black Shut down Alt SE Shut down Primary SE(wait for both SE to shutdown) Shut Down HMC's affected by the power down. EPO Off he CPU frame using the Red switch. Power Restored Power on the HMC's EPO on, the cpu frame. Wait for the the CPC icon appear on the HMC . From this point it will depend how the Customer has set up the Activation Profiles or Manually power up... Manual power up. Power on Icon POR icon(check IOCDS is correct) Activate Lpars IPL or Activate and select the correct profile(set up by the Customer) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Matan Cohen Sent: 17 June 2010 14:34 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: taking down the machine - z9 series IBM told me not to shutdown the SE. IBM saying to perform deactivation and then CPC shutdown. On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Mark Pace mpac...@gmail.com wrote: SE = System Element. The laptops within the z9. I would also shutdown the HMC (Hardware Management Console). On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Matan Cohen matancohen...@gmail.com wrote: R.S wrote We shutdown SE SE stand for? I did this sort of shutdown at diffrent Data center the time elctricity power cut is schedule from advance. in the past I remeber i was told never to cut power using the emergency switch ( i don't know the reason for that but it was said by a wise man). tom- i do want to perform a control power cut. i asked on the best way to perform this for the Z machine On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 3:28 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: Matan Cohen pisze: Hi, When the situation force you to taking down the machine (due to Electricity power cut) , after taking down the lpars. do you perform anything else beside deactivation of the CPC ? i met a diffrent opinion in this matter . Yes, we do. We shutdown SE and then cut the power using emergency switch. Electricity works could mean several up-down sequences which are not good for any machine. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl S d Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru S dowego, nr rejestru przedsi biorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wed ug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zak adowy BRE Banku SA (w ca o ci wp acony) wynosi 118.763.528 z otych. W zwi zku z realizacj warunkowego podwy szenia kapita u zak adowego, na podstawie uchwa y XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchwa y XVI NWZ z dnia 27 pa dziernika 2008r., mo e ulec podwy szeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z . Akcje w podwy szonym kapitale zak adowym BRE Banku SA b d w ca o ci op acone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- best regards, matan cohen MF System Administrator. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems 1700 Summit Lake Drive Tallahassee, FL. 32317 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- best regards, matan cohen MF System Administrator. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
I was in a shop in the early 1980s where we had a very bad experience of the power being cut by the use of the emergency switch. There was a building maintenance man in the machine room. When he went to leave instead of pressing the button to activate the door to the mantrap, he pressed the emergency power down switch. They were very close together. It took us the better part of a day to get everything back up. The processor was no problem, but a few disk drives were troublesome. That incident resulted in them moving the emergency power down switch away from the door switch, and a cover was put over the emergency power down switch. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Matan Cohen Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: taking down the machine - z9 series R.S wrote We shutdown SE SE stand for? I did this sort of shutdown at diffrent Data center the time elctricity power cut is schedule from advance. in the past I remeber i was told never to cut power using the emergency switch ( i don't know the reason for that but it was said by a wise man). tom- i do want to perform a control power cut. i asked on the best way to perform this for the Z machine On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 3:28 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.plwrote: Matan Cohen pisze: Hi, When the situation force you to taking down the machine (due to Electricity power cut) , after taking down the lpars. do you perform anything else beside deactivation of the CPC ? i met a diffrent opinion in this matter . Yes, we do. We shutdown SE and then cut the power using emergency switch. Electricity works could mean several up-down sequences which are not good for any machine. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl S d Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru S dowego, nr rejestru przedsi biorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wed ug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zak adowy BRE Banku SA (w ca o ci wp acony) wynosi 118.763.528 z otych. W zwi zku z realizacj warunkowego podwy szenia kapita u zak adowego, na podstawie uchwa y XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchwa y XVI NWZ z dnia 27 pa dziernika 2008r., mo e ulec podwy szeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z . Akcje w podwy szonym kapitale zak adowym BRE Banku SA b d w ca o ci op acone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- best regards, matan cohen MF System Administrator. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html * If you wish to communicate securely with Commerce Bank and its affiliates, you must log into your account under Online Services at http://www.commercebank.com or use the Commerce Bank Secure Email Message Center at https://securemail.commercebank.com NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system. * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
On 06/17/10 09:51, Kelman, Tom wrote: I was in a shop in the early 1980s where we had a very bad experience of the power being cut by the use of the emergency switch. There was a building maintenance man in the machine room. When he went to leave instead of pressing the button to activate the door to the mantrap, he pressed the emergency power down switch. They were very close together. It took us the better part of a day to get everything back up. The processor was no problem, but a few disk drives were troublesome. That incident resulted in them moving the emergency power down switch away from the door switch, and a cover was put over the emergency power down switch. We called it a 'Sheldon shield' after an operator hit the IML button on the old 3033 console keyboard several times unexpectedly. snip -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL Serendipity is looking for a needle in a haystack and discovering a farmer's daughter. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
Mark Jacobs mark.jac...@custserv.com wrote in message news:4c1a2971.1080...@custserv.com... On 06/17/10 09:51, Kelman, Tom wrote: I was in a shop in the early 1980s where we had a very bad experience of the power being cut by the use of the emergency switch. There was a building maintenance man in the machine room. When he went to leave instead of pressing the button to activate the door to the mantrap, he pressed the emergency power down switch. They were very close together. It took us the better part of a day to get everything back up. The processor was no problem, but a few disk drives were troublesome. That incident resulted in them moving the emergency power down switch away from the door switch, and a cover was put over the emergency power down switch. We called it a 'Sheldon shield' after an operator hit the IML button on the old 3033 console keyboard several times unexpectedly. snip -- I know during life brain cells only die and no new ones are generated and I also know that this goes faster in some brains than in others and this possibly might be the reason that I often get tired of trying to find the correct path through the many ONtopic and OFFtopic branches that threads in this forum often take, but I would appreciate if branches to paths that might bring up very interesting side-subjects but do not help the OP in getting an answer to his question were reflected with a change of subject. Thanks, Kees. For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
If you have any Os/2 based appliances, then you'd want to gracefully shut them down. Otherwise, they will run CHKDSK upon power up, and that takes forever. Examples of OS/2 based appliances include the older HMC's, 2074's, etc. Not sure if you can do that for the OS/2 based SE's, but, if you can, not a bad idea IMHO. (I believe the SE's and HMC are all Linux based on the z/9's. Linux recovery is fast enough to be left alone.) There is a full power off function somewhere on the HMC or SE. I'd want to find and use that. You'd want to power off DS8100/Shark DASD units. Otherwise, these units will gracefully shut down using their internal batteries but will not come back on line until the batteries are completely recharged. That can take a very long time. Graceful shutdown and power off of other units (tape, VTS, etc) is likely a very good idea. Keep in mind that some units have 'secret' circuit breakers that trip upon full power loss. These 'secret' circuit breakers are supposed to be reset by the CE after power is restored and stable. Have your CE show you where these breakers are, or, better yet, have the CE on site for power up. HTH and good luck. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Matan Cohen Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: taking down the machine - z9 series Hi, When the situation force you to taking down the machine (due to Electricity power cut) , after taking down the lpars. do you perform anything else beside deactivation of the CPC ? i met a diffrent opinion in this matter . -- best regards, matan cohen MF System Administrator. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
- Original Message - From: Matan Cohen matancohen...@gmail.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:07 AM Subject: taking down the machine - z9 series Hi, When the situation force you to taking down the machine (due to Electricity power cut) , after taking down the lpars. do you perform anything else beside deactivation of the CPC ? i met a diffrent opinion in this matter . -- best regards, matan cohen MF System Administrator. Matan, A full power-down can be problematic. I would recommend that you spend the extra money to get an IBM FE on site to ensure that all machines are powered down correctly. Most sites I work at haven't powered down in years, so they do not know the procedures. Also, your older equipment may go belly up just from the power off, power on process. I once had to move 6 3174 controllers, and 3 of the power supplies and one of the diskette drives failed on startup. Good luck, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
I have powered down and powered up whole data centers numerous times usually for electrical, power plant work, sometimes because the air conditioning failed, once for a push/pull to retreat from an early CMOS machine, which had more CP's than MIP's ;-), back to a Bi Polar machine, and never had a problem. Coming up just be sure you sequence everything properly, peripherals first, disk, terminal controllers, network boxes, front ends first, then the mainframes. Let each of the devices go through their self-checking sequencing gradually, a few at a time. Make sure everything is up before you bring up the mainframe. The take down is in the opposite order, mainframe first then the peripherals. On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Pinnacle pinnc...@rochester.rr.comwrote: - Original Message - From: Matan Cohen matancohen...@gmail.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:07 AM Subject: taking down the machine - z9 series Hi, When the situation force you to taking down the machine (due to Electricity power cut) , after taking down the lpars. do you perform anything else beside deactivation of the CPC ? i met a diffrent opinion in this matter . -- best regards, matan cohen MF System Administrator. Matan, A full power-down can be problematic. I would recommend that you spend the extra money to get an IBM FE on site to ensure that all machines are powered down correctly. Most sites I work at haven't powered down in years, so they do not know the procedures. Also, your older equipment may go belly up just from the power off, power on process. I once had to move 6 3174 controllers, and 3 of the power supplies and one of the diskette drives failed on startup. Good luck, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- George Henke (C) 845 401 5614 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
W dniu 2010-06-17 18:26, Pinnacle pisze: - Original Message - From: Matan Cohen matancohen...@gmail.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:07 AM Subject: taking down the machine - z9 series Hi, When the situation force you to taking down the machine (due to Electricity power cut) , after taking down the lpars. do you perform anything else beside deactivation of the CPC ? i met a diffrent opinion in this matter . -- best regards, matan cohen MF System Administrator. Matan, A full power-down can be problematic. I would recommend that you spend the extra money to get an IBM FE on site to ensure that all machines are powered down correctly. Most sites I work at haven't powered down in years, so they do not know the procedures. Also, your older equipment may go belly up just from the power off, power on process. I once had to move 6 3174 controllers, and 3 of the power supplies and one of the diskette drives failed on startup. This is the reason for having procedures. You have to know how to power down and power up (more important) your equipment. Yes, it could happen that some equipment would fail during the excercise, but it could fail everytime - you should be prepared for such case as well. Regarding 3174's - yes those machines can work for years, but IML means reading diskettes (assumed no HDD version) and this is the most error prone process. I remember the night when I had to fix 3174 with soldering gun. And butter from operator's sandwich to lubricate some fan. g BTW: last time I ordered IBM engineer assist (many years ago) he was the only reason of serious problems. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 118.763.528 zotych. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchway XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchway XVI NWZ z dnia 27 padziernika 2008r., moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym BRE Banku SA bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: taking down the machine - z9 series
Hal Merritt writes: If you have any Os/2 based appliances, then you'd want to gracefully shut them down. Otherwise, they will run CHKDSK upon power up, and that takes forever. Examples of OS/2 based appliances include the older HMC's, 2074's, etc. Not sure if you can do that for the OS/2 based SE's, but, if you can, not a bad idea IMHO. (I believe the SE's and HMC are all Linux based on the z/9's. Linux recovery is fast enough to be left alone.) This is a bit of a digression I agree with the advice to shut down gracefully if possible. But there were always ways to reduce CHKDSK running time at bootup. CHKDSK could run for a long time, yes, but the amount of time is proportional to the size of Drive C, the boot volume (in particular). When hard disks were small this wasn't an issue. When hard disks got much larger, then partitioning made sense to help mitigate the problem. (And you can always just create one small partition on a large hard drive, leaving the rest unallocated.) Also, there's a CONFIG.SYS file setting to control which (other) partitions get CHKDSKed at bootup if left dirty. With that CONFIG.SYS setting it's possible to defer CHKDSK of other partitions until after bootup, after the most essential data is checked. The problem was definitely solved with JFS, a journaling file system which IBM added to OS/2 starting with Warp Server for e-business then soon after in the OS/2 Warp client. CHKDSK races through JFS very quickly. Initially OS/2 would not boot from a JFS volume, so there'd always be a small FAT or (preferably) HPFS partition to boot OS/2 (with a fast CHKDSK time). Then you could have the rest of the disk storage formatted as JFS. Nowadays eComStation has eliminated that FAT/HPFS boot partition requirement -- it's now possible to boot eComStation from JFS. By the way, a full OS/2 shutdown is the most graceful, but Ctrl-Alt-Del (followed by cutting the power after the PC BIOS screen appears) was better than just hitting the power switch. Ctrl-Alt-Del didn't give applications the opportunity to perform their own shutdown housekeeping, but it did flush OS/2's disk buffers, close all files, and mark the partitions as clean. - - - - - Timothy Sipples Resident Architect (Based in Singapore) STG Value Creation and Complex Deals Team IBM Growth Markets E-Mail: timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
