Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...)
At 08:33 -0500 on 11/08/2011, Bonno, Tuco wrote about Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...): my query ( . do any of the ) was purely rhetorical; I do know what they (aces of spades) were used for in vietnam; but the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%26M%27s#1970s_and_1980s has me puzzled . what do MM-s have to do with it ??? other than c-ration chocolate patties, I never saw ANY chocolate in viet-nam, much less MM-s That has to do with another of my comments in my original message. I mentioned the time in the 70's when Red MMs were withdrawn due to the fear of Red Dye#2 (which was NOT the dye in Red MMs) causing cancer. I mentioned that Mars Canada which not only kept that color in that mix but produced large Red-Only bags which were stocked primarily on the US/Canada Border near the border crossings and supposedly were intended to be sold to US tourists. I jokingly referred to their being brought into the US as smuggling contraband. Since they did not use Red Dye#2 there was nothing illegal about them (the withdrawal was voluntary to avoid confusion with the suspect dye) and I was once at a Science Fiction Convention were some of our Canadian members brought lots of them for the Hospitality Suite (where they were a hit). Since I am the one that made the comment about the Ace of Spade Decks, I might as well expand on the origin of the decks and the Wikipedia article (at least to the best of my understanding). There was a large spike in requests for playing card decks from the soldiers in Viet Nam. Upon investigation it was discovered that they were opening the decks, removing the Ace of Spades and throwing the rest of the cards away. This triggered the creation of the decks so there would be no wastage and they could be efficiently used. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...)
And then there were the Bicycle Brand 52 card decks containing only Ace of Spades which were officially printed for use in the US Military. ... and do any of the august members of this listserver community know what those were used for, or, perhaps have the personal experience thereof? /s/ tuco bonno; Graduate, College of Conflict Management; University of SouthEast Asia; I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...)
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 06:36:07 -0500, Bonno, Tuco wrote: And then there were the Bicycle Brand 52 card decks containing only Ace of Spades which were officially printed for use in the US Military. ... and do any of the august members of this listserver community know what those were used for, or, perhaps have the personal experience thereof? GIYF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_of_spades#War And: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%26M%27s#1970s_and_1980s -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...)
my query ( . do any of the ) was purely rhetorical; I do know what they (aces of spades) were used for in vietnam; but the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%26M%27s#1970s_and_1980s has me puzzled . what do MM-s have to do with it ??? other than c-ration chocolate patties, I never saw ANY chocolate in viet-nam, much less MM-s also, what's GIYF?? ( and I don't do too well with emoticons either . -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Tuesday, 08 November, 2011 08:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...) On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 06:36:07 -0500, Bonno, Tuco wrote: And then there were the Bicycle Brand 52 card decks containing only Ace of Spades which were officially printed for use in the US Military. ... and do any of the august members of this listserver community know what those were used for, or, perhaps have the personal experience thereof? GIYF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_of_spades#War And: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%26M%27s#1970s_and_1980s -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...)
Bonno, Tuco wrote: also, what's GIYF?? ( and I don't do too well with emoticons either . Google It YourselF. (Internt slang language) Google Is Your Friend Go In Your Furnace (and burn, burn and burn! :D ) Groete / Greetins Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...)
live and learn, live and learn. thanks. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Tuesday, 08 November, 2011 09:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...) Bonno, Tuco wrote: also, what's GIYF?? ( and I don't do too well with emoticons either . Google It YourselF. (Internt slang language) Google Is Your Friend Go In Your Furnace (and burn, burn and burn! :D ) Groete / Greetins Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...)
--snip--- my query ( . do any of the ) was purely rhetorical; I do know what they (aces of spades) were used for in vietnam; but the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%26M%27s#1970s_and_1980s has me puzzled . what do MM-s have to do with it ??? other than c-ration chocolate patties, I never saw ANY chocolate in viet-nam, much less MM-s also, what's GIYF?? ( and I don't do too well with emoticons either . -unsnip--- Your officers were too smart by half. We liberated a Conex full of Hershey bars straight from the docks at DaNang one afternoon, thanks to an officer more interested in overseas pay than doing his job. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...)
GROAN! snip A one kilogram fig, undergoing an acceleration of one meter per second per second could aptly be called a fig newton. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...)
At 15:00 -0500 on 11/04/2011, McKown, John wrote about Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...): My stomach strength is measured in fig newtons! Jokingly dating myself. I remember a short time period when Fig Newtons were a contraband item (all you could legally buy was a knock-off from the manufacturer called Fruit Newtons) as were Red MMs (but not at the same time). There was a thriving cross border trade in Red MMs - Mars Canada sold bags of Red MMs which were available in the Canadian Side of the US/Canada border for smuggling back into the US. And then there were the Bicycle Brand 52 card decks containing only Ace of Spades which were officially printed for use in the US Military. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...)
A one kilogram fig, undergoing an acceleration of one meter per second per second could aptly be called a fig newton. Barry Merrill -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 3:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 2:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...) snip Go to your hardware store and ask to buy a rope with a load-bearing strength rated in newtons. All terracentric thinking. -- gil My stomach strength is measured in fig newtons! -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...)
A kilogram of citric acid solution, freshly squeezed from oranges and undergoing said acceleration, could be a Juice Newton. A republican candidate for president, undergoing said acceleration, could be about 100 Gingrich Newtons. A kilogram of gold bling from the neck of the late composer of the Shaft movie theme song, undergoing said acceleration, could be an Isaac Newton. [1] An Anglican Church hymnal weighing one kilogram, undergoing said acceleration, would probably contain a John Newton. [2] Bill I can't believe I posted this Fairchild [1] Isaac Hayes won an Oscar for that song in 1972. [2] He published Amazing Grace in 1779. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Barry Merrill Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 9:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...) A one kilogram fig, undergoing an acceleration of one meter per second per second could aptly be called a fig newton. Barry Merrill -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 3:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 2:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...) snip Go to your hardware store and ask to buy a rope with a load-bearing strength rated in newtons. All terracentric thinking. -- gil My stomach strength is measured in fig newtons! -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...)
On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:13:41 -0500, Turriff, Leslie wrote: Ounces measure weight, not mass. But there are at least two ounces, the common ounce (I don't know what its formal name is) [avoirdupois - gil] and the Troy ounce, used for measuring gold, etc. And Specific Impulse is measured in seconds: the time an engine burning one pound of fuel can produce one pound of thrust. So: delta-V = ln( initial mass / final mass) * SI * 32.2 ft/sec^2 (What do you think they are? Rocket scientists?) And I have been told that engineers working in the metric system use the kilogram, not the newton, as a unit of weight, and a unit of mass equal to 9.8 kilograms. Go to your hardware store and ask to buy a rope with a load-bearing strength rated in newtons. All terracentric thinking. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 2:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...) snip Go to your hardware store and ask to buy a rope with a load-bearing strength rated in newtons. All terracentric thinking. -- gil My stomach strength is measured in fig newtons! -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...)
And how many cubits of said rope would we need to get a handle on all this Friday fun! -- Donald Grinsell State of Montana 406-444-2983 dgrins...@mt.gov For some must watch while some must sleep, Thus runs the world away. -- Shakespeare, Hamlet -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Friday, 04 November 2011 13:52 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...) On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:13:41 -0500, Turriff, Leslie wrote: Ounces measure weight, not mass. But there are at least two ounces, the common ounce (I don't know what its formal name is) [avoirdupois - gil] and the Troy ounce, used for measuring gold, etc. And Specific Impulse is measured in seconds: the time an engine burning one pound of fuel can produce one pound of thrust. So: delta-V = ln( initial mass / final mass) * SI * 32.2 ft/sec^2 (What do you think they are? Rocket scientists?) And I have been told that engineers working in the metric system use the kilogram, not the newton, as a unit of weight, and a unit of mass equal to 9.8 kilograms. Go to your hardware store and ask to buy a rope with a load-bearing strength rated in newtons. All terracentric thinking. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...)
The Newton is a unit of force, IIRC. Leslie Turriff MO ITSD -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 14:52 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: units (was: Out damn'd GMT ...) On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:13:41 -0500, Turriff, Leslie wrote: Ounces measure weight, not mass. But there are at least two ounces, the common ounce (I don't know what its formal name is) [avoirdupois - gil] and the Troy ounce, used for measuring gold, etc. And Specific Impulse is measured in seconds: the time an engine burning one pound of fuel can produce one pound of thrust. So: delta-V = ln( initial mass / final mass) * SI * 32.2 ft/sec^2 (What do you think they are? Rocket scientists?) And I have been told that engineers working in the metric system use the kilogram, not the newton, as a unit of weight, and a unit of mass equal to 9.8 kilograms. Go to your hardware store and ask to buy a rope with a load-bearing strength rated in newtons. All terracentric thinking. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
