Re: BYPASSING RECALL OF MIGRATED DSNS WHILE ATTEMPTING ALTER
Hello Esmie, GDG defined as NOEMPTY will ROLL-OFF the older members as you create +1 GDG members. With the maximum number of members in a GDG set as 256, only the latest 256 memebrs are connected (ROLLIN) to the GDG BASE catalog entry. ALl others are cataloged by their explicit name, and cannot be accessed via GDG indirect (-nn) dataset name. Are you really sure you need to do what you doing.? Regards Bruce Hewson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: BYPASSING RECALL OF MIGRATED DSNS WHILE ATTEMPTING ALTER
correction. On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 02:03:18 -0600, Bruce Hewson bruce_hew...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello Esmie, GDG defined as NOSCRATCH will ROLL-OFF the older members as you create +1 GDG members. With the maximum number of members in a GDG set as 256, only the latest 256 memebrs are connected (ROLLIN) to the GDG BASE catalog entry. ALl others are cataloged by their explicit name, and cannot be accessed via GDG indirect (-nn) dataset name. Are you really sure you need to do what you doing.? Regards Bruce Hewson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Re: Has IBM forgotten how to trademark?
On IBM's not comprehensive list, z10 shows as trademark, and System z10 shows as a registered trademark. INAL, but that may mean that others can use z10, but not System z10. http://www.ibm.com/legal/us/en/copytrade.shtml#section-Z http://www.ibm.com/legal/us/en/copytrade.shtml#section-S -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Has IBM forgotten how to trademark?
W dniu 2013-02-04 14:01, Scott Chapman pisze: On IBM's not comprehensive list, z10 shows as trademark, and System z10 shows as a registered trademark. INAL, but that may mean that others can use z10, but not System z10. http://www.ibm.com/legal/us/en/copytrade.shtml#section-Z http://www.ibm.com/legal/us/en/copytrade.shtml#section-S Well, recently I've got a picture of new Z SERIES ...smartphone. Few features: dual-core CPU, NVIDIA Tegra 2 on board S-Master MX HDMI micro-output I've got to say my z Series machine has none of the above features, more: I even don't know some of them (what's S-Master???). Seriously, I don't know US law, but in my country it's possible to register some name for given market. So it could be possible to register then zzz-Machine for computers, while some shipyard equipment can have the same name. BTW: The first Apple company I met was those established by the Beatles. BTW2: Times are a changing. In Poland A.PL *food* e-shop was sued by Apple (this i-One) for the name. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland P.S. I have a picture of z series smartphone, can send it if someone needs it. ;-) -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2013 r. kapitał zakładowy BRE Banku SA (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 168.555.904 złotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Has IBM forgotten how to trademark?
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:10 AM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: Well, recently I've got a picture of new Z SERIES ...smartphone. Few features: dual-core CPU, NVIDIA Tegra 2 on board S-Master MX HDMI micro-output I've got to say my z Series machine has none of the above features, more: I even don't know some of them (what's S-Master???). Heh. Only that was zSeries, one word, and that name is dead, for more than seven years. Monster Cable has/had zseries cable, and even owned zseries.com at one point, although they never used it. Since those were *very* different industries (OK, both have cables, but), that was clearly an OK confluence of names. Smartphones...not so clear! -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: mainframe selling points
In 5488030819990408.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 02/02/2013 at 08:56 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: How much of that does autoconversion fail to do? That would depend on the program. Also, does Perl do autoconversion of the source code? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
In caex7sazt7s8kx+ya-inai4xmsesustzf03o36otox5zaweg...@mail.gmail.com, on 02/02/2013 at 10:20 PM, Len Rugen lenru...@gmail.com said: I've only worked from for a few days at a time, for heath or weather reasons. I think it should be ENCOURAGED when you think you are sick enough to be courageous but not too sick to work. I'd like for telecommuting to be mandatory for people with infectious[1] illnesses. My main issue with working from home is lack of multiple monitors. I'd rather have a single large monitor with lots of pixels. I currently have a dozen open windows on my monitor, and it's not that large. [1] Well, an STD shouldn't be an issue at the office, but certainly anything airborne. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
In a991022c-2455-4f66-be08-40f17e981...@comcast.net, on 02/02/2013 at 10:54 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net said: I hate PDF's and BKS ... Especially when I am not sure exactly what I am looking for. With a real manual I can put a finger in the current location and go wondering about the manual and if needed I just go back to where my finger is. With proper formatting and proper viewing software there's no reason that you couldn't do everything with BM and PDF that you do with dead trees. It would be more productive to convince IBM to improve the tools rather than to push for restoring paper copies. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: mainframe selling points
Apparently so. A transcript of my test: LIH1:TSH009:/home/tsh009/junk$ cat tperl.pl #!/usr/lpp/ported/perl/bin/perl print hello, sailor!\n LIH1:TSH009:/home/tsh009/junk$ perl tperl.pl hello, sailor! LIH1:TSH009:/home/tsh009/junk$ iconv -t iso8859-1 -f ibm-1047 tperl.pl tperl-a.pl LIH1:TSH009:/home/tsh009/junk$ chtag -tc iso8859-1 tperl-a.pl LIH1:TSH009:/home/tsh009/junk$ cat tperl-a.pl #!/usr/lpp/ported/perl/bin/perl print hello, sailor!\n LIH1:TSH009:/home/tsh009/junk$ perl tperl-a.pl hello, sailor! LIH1:TSH009:/home/tsh009/junk$ On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote: In 5488030819990408.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 02/02/2013 at 08:56 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: How much of that does autoconversion fail to do? That would depend on the program. Also, does Perl do autoconversion of the source code? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
The main problem is a way to mark up the BM or PDF versions so that you can share the marked up text. Depending on the software used, bookmarking may also be an issue. The Kindle reader can display PDF and you can also do bookmarking and mark up. But it is difficult to share those. Okular on Linux can also do bookmarking and marking on PDF files, but again they can't easily be shared. Well, perhaps if the PDF is on a shared, writable, disk (NFS or CIFS or sshfs even). On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote: In a991022c-2455-4f66-be08-40f17e981...@comcast.net, on 02/02/2013 at 10:54 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net said: I hate PDF's and BKS ... Especially when I am not sure exactly what I am looking for. With a real manual I can put a finger in the current location and go wondering about the manual and if needed I just go back to where my finger is. With proper formatting and proper viewing software there's no reason that you couldn't do everything with BM and PDF that you do with dead trees. It would be more productive to convince IBM to improve the tools rather than to push for restoring paper copies. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OSA MCL application without power reset
If the OSA card is shared, the CHPID has to be offline on all LPARs at the same time... -- Regards, Silvio Camplani zSeries Sr. Analyst, Systems Support Bombardier On Sat, Feb 2, 2013, at 03:00 PM, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2013-02-02 18:20, bernardhines pisze: We have had maintenance (MCL) applied to our HMC and OSA cards, we now need to activate this maintenance. The standard way to activate the applied maintenance is to power on reset, at this point we are unable to take an outage for this. We have a short maintenance window, too short to power down our Linux, z/VM Lpars and z/OS Lpars. We have seen some posts on ways to individually offline and online (start and stop) the OSA's to pull in the new maintenance. Our question for anyone that has gone through something like this, is there a sequence or procedure for this scenario? If so is there a documented step and order process and most of all what gotchas should we be aware of? System: z/196 HMC 2.1.1 1. z/OS 1.12 (DB2, IMS, CICS, MQ) multiple Lpars 2. z/VM 5.4 hosting Linux 10, 11 3. OSA's (OSD, OSM, OSX and IQD) across all platforms. Well, it depends much on CHPID type, port usage and the operating system. For example if you have two OSD's you should be able to restart the cards with no interruption to the network traffic. For OSC usually short outage is acceptable. General scenario for any chpid looks like the following: 1. use system (network) commands to deactivate the traffic. It can be V NET,ID=majnode,INACT and/or many other commands/activities/ 2. Use MVS command to VARY card_device,OFFLINE 3. Use MVS command CF CHP(cc),OFFLINE - that's for z/OS, of course 4. Use HMC/SE icon to toggle channel offline and online. 5. CF CHP(),ONLINE, VARY dev,ONLINE, VARY NET,ACT BTW: IQD is internal network, not real card. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2013 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.555.904 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OSA MCL application without power reset
We have the same issues with MCL's for Crypto too. We find it easier to schedule POR once or twice per year to install MCL maintenance. _ Dave Jousma Assistant Vice President, Mainframe Engineering david.jou...@53.com 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 MD RSCB2H p 616.653.8429 f 616.653.2717 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Silvio Camplani Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 1:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OSA MCL application without power reset If the OSA card is shared, the CHPID has to be offline on all LPARs at the same time... -- Regards, Silvio Camplani zSeries Sr. Analyst, Systems Support Bombardier This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
John, I have the same problem with PDFs , unless you spring for some pretty expensive software to do that. Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 4, 2013, at 12:13 PM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: The main problem is a way to mark up the BM or PDF versions so that you can share the marked up text. Depending on the software used, bookmarking may also be an issue. The Kindle reader can display PDF and you can also do bookmarking and mark up. But it is difficult to share those. Okular on Linux can also do bookmarking and marking on PDF files, but again they can't easily be shared. Well, perhaps if the PDF is on a shared, writable, disk (NFS or CIFS or sshfs even). On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote: In a991022c-2455-4f66-be08-40f17e981...@comcast.net, on 02/02/2013 at 10:54 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net said: I hate PDF's and BKS ... Especially when I am not sure exactly what I am looking for. With a real manual I can put a finger in the current location and go wondering about the manual and if needed I just go back to where my finger is. With proper formatting and proper viewing software there's no reason that you couldn't do everything with BM and PDF that you do with dead trees. It would be more productive to convince IBM to improve the tools rather than to push for restoring paper copies. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: mainframe selling points
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:33:17 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: on 02/02/2013 at 08:56 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: How much of that does autoconversion fail to do? That would depend on the program. Also, does Perl do autoconversion of the source code? I believe that autoconversion is done at something like the access method layer. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: mainframe selling points
The C run-time library, IIRC. So it only works for things which are written in C and use the C run-time (as opposed to written in C and using some other method), or for things not using the C run-time, but which look at the tag information themselves and do any conversion necessary (likely via iconv or equivalent). On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:33:17 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: on 02/02/2013 at 08:56 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: How much of that does autoconversion fail to do? That would depend on the program. Also, does Perl do autoconversion of the source code? I believe that autoconversion is done at something like the access method layer. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: mainframe selling points
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:00 PM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.comwrote: The C run-time library, IIRC. So it only works for things which are written in C and use the C run-time (as opposed to written in C and using some other method), or for things not using the C run-time, but which look at the tag information themselves and do any conversion necessary (likely via iconv or equivalent). For the most part, C runtime library functions can be called from any HLL that generate an IBM standard parmlist. It might not be convient to do in COBOL, etc. because there is no appropriate header files. However, you can manually build the parmlist. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:33:17 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: on 02/02/2013 at 08:56 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: How much of that does autoconversion fail to do? That would depend on the program. Also, does Perl do autoconversion of the source code? I believe that autoconversion is done at something like the access method layer. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: mainframe selling points
I even use the some of the C subroutines in my LE enabled HLASM UNIX programs. I really like sprintf() for making easily readable output for people. I guess that I could use the C I/O subroutines as well, instead of the BPX1* callable services. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Sam Siegel s...@pscsi.net wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:00 PM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.comwrote: snip For the most part, C runtime library functions can be called from any HLL that generate an IBM standard parmlist. It might not be convient to do in COBOL, etc. because there is no appropriate header files. However, you can manually build the parmlist. -- Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
IBM seems to do this quite a bit here in Chicago. They are encouraged even not to show up at the office. They *USED* to have a desk at 1 IBM PLAZA but not anymore (for the most part). I think IBM managed to screw up things when they did that. Of course now its difficult to even find an IBM person. 10 years ago I asked IBM sales rep a question and he asks me how much am I willing to pay for the answer. IOW everything is a consultant these day. IBM has Fked themselves up when they decided to do this. The people IBM hires to sell systems now days is the same thing. When asked a specific question on something that is not covered in the manuals its $$$ . Ed On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In caex7sazt7s8kx+ya-inai4xmsesustzf03o36otox5zaweg...@mail.gmail.com, on 02/02/2013 at 10:20 PM, Len Rugen lenru...@gmail.com said: I've only worked from for a few days at a time, for heath or weather reasons. I think it should be ENCOURAGED when you think you are sick enough to be courageous but not too sick to work. I'd like for telecommuting to be mandatory for people with infectious[1] illnesses. My main issue with working from home is lack of multiple monitors. I'd rather have a single large monitor with lots of pixels. I currently have a dozen open windows on my monitor, and it's not that large. [1] Well, an STD shouldn't be an issue at the office, but certainly anything airborne. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
Shmuel: Proper formatting is not an answer. Many a times I have 6 or 8 manuals open on my desk at even given time while I am trying to find an answer to a question. I don't care how big a screen there is given my eye sight (or lake there of) can I find quickly a pdf or bks that I am looking for. I can remember where I put down a manual a lot faster than going through a screen(s). Now this maybe doable in 3D but I wouldn't bet on it. \ ED On Feb 4, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In a991022c-2455-4f66-be08-40f17e981...@comcast.net, on 02/02/2013 at 10:54 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net said: I hate PDF's and BKS ... Especially when I am not sure exactly what I am looking for. With a real manual I can put a finger in the current location and go wondering about the manual and if needed I just go back to where my finger is. With proper formatting and proper viewing software there's no reason that you couldn't do everything with BM and PDF that you do with dead trees. It would be more productive to convince IBM to improve the tools rather than to push for restoring paper copies. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
Working habits and methods vary widely. Results are crucial, the path taken to reach them is not. Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: Working habits and methods vary widely. Results are crucial, the path taken to reach them is not. Many would say the means are as important as the ends. Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
Sam, you are at it again. Context is all. If the means are immoral, their effectiveness does not of course legitimate them. Thus Gibbon, in Chapter 28 of DFOTRE: At Minorca the relics of St. Stephen converted in eight days 540 Jews; with the help, indeed, of some wholesome severities, such as burning the synagogues, driving the obstinate infidels to starve among the rocks, . . . making it clear that, however desirable some might judge the conversion of the Jews to Christianity to be, this end did not justify these means. The question whether paper, PDF, or Book Manager versions of a document are examined does not have this character. I suggest that you try to learn to think things and not words. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud. Pretentious abounds. Communication's purpose is to communicate. NOT to obsfucate! If people don't understand you, it's not their fault. It's yours! Also, the purpose of any list serve to help. Not to play word games and confuse. You're well educated -- good for you! You're pompous and arrogant - - bad for you! Stop being a d*ck! - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
Sam, The journey is as important as the destination. Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Sam Siegel s...@pscsi.net wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: Working habits and methods vary widely. Results are crucial, the path taken to reach them is not. Many would say the means are as important as the ends. Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Sam, The journey is as important as the destination. Completely agree on that. Some might even say that the journey is the destination. Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Sam Siegel s...@pscsi.net wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: Working habits and methods vary widely. Results are crucial, the path taken to reach them is not. Many would say the means are as important as the ends. Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
This discussion is such a person opinion. Ran into the educated and non-educated,except for the education of life. My father was For example high school educated Could do anything, grewup only eating pancakes during the depression, served in the 8th Air Force, would give you the shirt off his back. Mechanical, electronic , could do it all with Unisysvalues to are real important. Can you read and apply ? Can you see outside your own ego ? There are a lot of brilliant people on here and I am honored to just talk to them Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:14 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: Working habits and methods vary widely. Results are crucial, the path taken to reach them is not. Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OSA MCL application without power reset
W dniu 2013-02-04 19:47, Jousma, David pisze: We have the same issues with MCL's for Crypto too. We find it easier to schedule POR once or twice per year to install MCL maintenance. In case of Crypto cards the scenario is much easier, because you always have more than one engine *and* (in typical setup) every engine does the same job. So you make offline and restart one Crypto engine, while others still perform the job. There is an impact on performance, but usually it's not real problem. Of course POR is even simpler, but spoils availability stats. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2013 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.555.904 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
