Re: ZFS MountCall / Osi Wait
Thanks Lizette I have checked and all the fixes that you have mentioned have been applied or have been superseded by higher level fixex. our Maintenance level is RSU1303. Yes System does IPL successfully, it is just the first time IPL takes almost an hour or more to get there.. couple of messages that i get are *BPXP006E OMVS IS INITIALIZING THE FILE SYSTEM IOEZ00807I In a wait to verify that aggregate ..ETC has no other writers. Member SYS1 in sysplex PRODPLEX last wrote to the aggregate on Jun 13 01:13:19 2013. IOEZ00397I Recovery statistics for .Y.ETC: elapsed time 76 ms 1 log pages 6 log records, 2 data blocks modified 3 redo-data, 0 redo-fill records 0 undo records, 0 unwritten blocks SYS2 BPXF013I FILE SYSTEM ...OMVS.ETC WAS SUCCESSFULLY MOUNTED. *BPXM123E UNIX SYSTEM SERVICES HAS DETECTED THAT A GRS LATCH HAS BEEN HELD BY JOB OMVS FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME and almost after an hour i get IOEZ00646I zFS Kernel is restarting 42 file systems IOEZ00055I zFS kernel: initialization complete. My question is it possible to cancel restart or pending recovery on these zfs files. How can i get rid of latch contention during Mount.. I know i did not detach (unmount) zfs aggregate before copying but new system being IPLed is in a monoplex (or xcflocal) and as such do not care about recovery as long as ZFS data on DISK ( write committed) is intact. Thanks Lizette, once again for your help. best regards, munif. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: XRC Problem HDS (9980)
W dniu 2013-06-16 11:12, Mehrshad Manshadi pisze: Hello all, does anyone have a rule of thumb as to how much Replication for disaster recovery slows down overall disk I/O? We are replicating about 45 terabytes from HDS USP using asynch. We recently had issues that slowed our mainframe to a crawl. The work around was to stop replication. During the time replication was shut down our batch ran twice as fast as it does with replication up. In general there are two modes: - synch mode - initial copy (note the terms are in quotation marks, becasue they are not accurate). synch mode means everything is synchronized and only current I/O updates are replicated. In this mode there is big difference between synchronous and asynchronous remote copy. Synchronous is slows down your DASD, especially during I/O intensive operations like batch. IMHO in normal circumstances asynchronous remote copy should not slow down your dasd box considerably, nevermind what dasd brandname you use.. initial copy is data pumping. Your DASD has to send all the data from full of data BOX A (local) to BOX B (remote), which is initially empty. It can be a lot of data, despite some part of the data is inactive. This process always slows down your DASD box, despite what the salesmen claimed. However in some implementations you can manage the priority of the process. Lower priority means longer time to finish but faster reponses from the DASD box. Sometimes it's better to use highest priority during maint. window. HTH -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2013 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.555.904 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ZFS MountCall / Osi Wait
Hi If I see correctly your ZFS is shared or at last used by other members, you can run the salvager utility IOAAGSLV to check/correct the ZFS in any LPAR anytime , before a long IPL. I don't think it is a good idea, to cancel the recovery for ZFS. On 17.06.2013 10:02, Munif Sadek wrote: Thanks Lizette I have checked and all the fixes that you have mentioned have been applied or have been superseded by higher level fixex. our Maintenance level is RSU1303. Yes System does IPL successfully, it is just the first time IPL takes almost an hour or more to get there.. couple of messages that i get are *BPXP006E OMVS IS INITIALIZING THE FILE SYSTEM IOEZ00807I In a wait to verify that aggregate ..ETC has no other writers. Member SYS1 in sysplex PRODPLEX last wrote to the aggregate on Jun 13 01:13:19 2013. IOEZ00397I Recovery statistics for .Y.ETC: elapsed time 76 ms 1 log pages 6 log records, 2 data blocks modified 3 redo-data, 0 redo-fill records 0 undo records, 0 unwritten blocks SYS2 BPXF013I FILE SYSTEM ...OMVS.ETC WAS SUCCESSFULLY MOUNTED. *BPXM123E UNIX SYSTEM SERVICES HAS DETECTED THAT A GRS LATCH HAS BEEN HELD BY JOB OMVS FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME and almost after an hour i get IOEZ00646I zFS Kernel is restarting 42 file systems IOEZ00055I zFS kernel: initialization complete. My question is it possible to cancel restart or pending recovery on these zfs files. How can i get rid of latch contention during Mount.. I know i did not detach (unmount) zfs aggregate before copying but new system being IPLed is in a monoplex (or xcflocal) and as such do not care about recovery as long as ZFS data on DISK ( write committed) is intact. Thanks Lizette, once again for your help. best regards, munif. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Kind regards, / Mit freundlichen Grüßen Miklos Szigetvari Research Development ISIS Papyrus Europe AG Alter Wienerweg 12, A-2344 Maria Enzersdorf, Austria T: +43(2236) 27551 333, F: +43(2236)21081 E-mail: miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com Info: i...@isis-papyrus.com Hotline: +43-2236-27551-111 Visit our brand new extended Website at www.isis-papyrus.com --- This e-mail is only intended for the recipient and not legally binding. Unauthorised use, publication, reproduction or disclosure of the content of this e-mail is not permitted. This email has been checked for known viruses, but ISIS Papyrus accepts no responsibility for malicious or inappropriate content. --- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM commitment to academia (was:ataPower XML Appliance and RACF)
There is only ONE (pseudo-)University from Canada on the list! Canadian colleges don't cut it! Therefore: there is NO commitment in Canada. And, no propaganda will change that. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:07:42 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DataPower XML Appliance and RACF The absence of one or more particular universities is not proof of the original assertion. Many universities decline many offers. Shmuel Metz writes: Yes, IBM used to give schools deep discounts without requiring that the systems be used only for classwork. That wasn't part of the original assertion. But, since you raised the point, should IBM be providing free computing solutions for non-instructional uses to organizations that often charge hefty tuition rates and which have more accumulated wealth than many entire nations? I don't know the answer to that question, but in principle it's reasonable for anybody providing something of high value free of charge to set a couple boundaries. If a university donor is providing millions of dollars to build and maintain a new swimming pool and to provide scholarship aid to poor students, she doesn't expect her money to be used to pay for the university president's private car service: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/cuny_perk_is_car_ick_JVb1wlLCyVawz0BjtLJBkL There's also the wee little problem, according to the history books I've read, that, for a period of time, IBM couldn't set its own prices exactly as it wished. Timothy Sipples GMU VCT Architect Executive (Based in Singapore) E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Where might I find the DSECT for the WEB control block
counter-intuitive It has been perhaps over 20 years since MVS (subsequently OS/390 and z/OS) stopped putting things in the data areas book under the control block acronym but instead put them under the macro name, in part because the macro name is unique, and the control block name in some cases is not. At least with releases where books are provided, all you typically need to do is search on WEB and it will show the data areas book and the (IHAWEB) chapter within. Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ZFS MountCall / Osi Wait
I have these notes from an IBM Redpiece. I can't find the original copy, but
here are my notes.
Doesn't answer your question of how to cancel the recoveries though. I'd be
interested in that answer myself. We have a system with almost 700 ZFS
filesystems, and IPLing that after a failure can take about 15 mins to recover
all the filesystems.
Not sure why yours is taking almost an hour though.
START OF NOTES --
2.12.2 Mounting zFS file systems copied outside the sysplex
If you have a specific system located in another sysplex that is used for
preparing and servicing UNIX System Services file systems that are type zFS,
then the first mount may take at least 65 seconds. This is caused by the write
protection implementation.
As long as the aggregate is attached read-write, the identifier is active in
block zero (0). As a result, on ADRDSSU COPY or DUMP processing, it is copied
as well.
When you mount or attach the aggregate in the target production system, zFS
sees this identifier. Because it does not reflect the sysplex environment, zFS
waits 65 seconds for an update of the time stamp value within the identifier.
If the aggregate is used read-write outside of the sysplex, then this time
stamp should get updated twice a minute, as mentioned earlier.
If no update occurs, this shows that the identifier is there without a reason.
In this case, after the 65 seconds, zFS attaches and mounts the aggregate.
To avoid the 65 seconds wait time on access to the aggregate in the production
environment, unmount or detach the source aggregate in the service system
before using ADRDSSU COPY or ADRDSSU DUMP.
OR
Switch the source aggregate to read-only access, using the ISHELL modify
interface from the mount table panel or the /usr/sbin/chmount shell command.
Then copy the contents of the aggregate. This switch removes the write
protection identifier, as well.
END OF NOTES --
We also now run the following JCL as part of our z/OS cloning process:
//ZFSADM12 EXEC PGM=IOEAGSLV,REGION=0M,
// PARM=('-aggregate SYS1.SIGYROOT.OSY7A1 -recoveronly -verifyonly')
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSUDUMP DD SYSOUT=*
Regards
Patrick Loftus
TNT Express ICS Ltd
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Re: ZFS MountCall / Osi Wait
A writable zfs must be cleanly unmounted or there will be a 65 second delay at IPL time for each one. This can be avoided by mounting it on another system and then immediately unmounting it. See Share 2012 document zFS Diagnosis II: Problem Determination and File System Monitoring. -- Donald J. dona...@4email.net On Sun, Jun 16, 2013, at 07:19 PM, Munif Sadek wrote: Is there a way we can expedite our unix system services startup in a monoplex system.. Best regards, Munif. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: XRC Problem HDS (9980)
On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 02:12:56 -0700, Mehrshad Manshadi wrote: Hello all, �does anyone have a rule of thumb as to how much Replication for disaster recovery slows down overall disk I/O? Don't overload the link(s) - or the cache. First time I saw problems was when the target controller went away. The source controller kept accepting I/O for (quite) a while then started issuing warnings that it was slowing down I/O's. Eventually stopped accepting them at all IIRC. All very civilised. Recently, I observed a situation where a customer started mirroring a new second tier module - and all hell broke lose. No messages, no warning, but I/Os (mainframe and SAN) went into seconds. Yes, plural. That's the sort of situation where you need to worry about the process priorities Radoslaw mentioned - the defaults seem to be inane as far as real world sites are concerned IMHO. But for everyday processing, shouldn't be an issue. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Question about LSR vs HiperBatch
We are looking into using either Batch LSR (local shared resources) or HiperBatch for batch jobs that use the same resources (VSAM files...) What (if any) are the recommendations, pitfalls of each or is the another option to do this? We are running z/OS V1.13. Thanks Norma Mowry DECC-Mechanicsburg Operating Systems Support (ESB11) (717)-605-7865 DSN:430 e-mail address: norma.e.mowry@mail.mil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM commitment to academia (was:ataPower XML Appliance and RACF)
The academic computer-science community has been hostile to IBM for a very long time. Some of this hostility was provoked, understandably, by long ago IBM hubris; but it remains pervasive in a period when most of that hubris has been dissipated. Things may change, but at the moment there is no great university demand for mainframes for instructional use. There is instead active hostility to them on many campuses, and this is problematic. I routinely encounter computer-science majors who know nothing of mainframes and a good number of whom 'think' they are no longer being made. Moreover, this problem feeds upon itself. Timothy Sipples is right to emphasize that mainframes figure in, for example, many crucial banking applications; but these students do not perceive such applications to be 'interesting'; and they are right: few of them are of any technical (as opposed to economic) interest. We are in a situation much like that of the atomic-energy industry some years ago. The original Hanford, Washington, gaseous-diffusion facility for the separation of uranium isotopes was designed by Enrico Fermi, slide rule in hand. It then came uinder the control of AEC civil servants; and when decades later it was shut down, after polluting large tracts of the state of Washington all but irretrievably, there was no professional physicist on its staff. I hope not, but I fear that we are at an impasse, in the literal French sense of a dead end. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Ported Tools - Unix
Hello, Cross posted to IBM MAIN and MVS-OE list. we have a requirement of getting the ported tools feature to our Z/OS 1.13 system. I referred http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1OA22944. I understood that UA40677 is fix which introduces the ported tools features. I tried downloading from SHOP Z with PTF number but these PTF is not included with pax file when I did unzip followed by Receive SYSMODS. Any idea or suggestion on why this PTF is included ? Is it licensed or a priced feature that we need to purchase seperately ? Jake -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [MVS-OE] Ported Tools - Unix
Jake, According to the text this is not a FIX and was released in 2008. So not necessarily needed for your environment of z/OS V1.13 This is an SPE (Small Programming Enhancement) and released in 2008. So I do not think it would apply to your system at all. Have you looked on IBM.com for ported tools? Have you looked at this link? http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/features/unix/bpxa1ty1.html Lizette -Original Message- From: MVS OpenEdition [mailto:mvs...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Jake anderson Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:38 AM To: mvs...@vm.marist.edu Subject: [MVS-OE] Ported Tools - Unix Hello, Cross posted to IBM MAIN and MVS-OE list. we have a requirement of getting the ported tools feature to our Z/OS 1.13 system. I referred http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1OA22944. I understood that UA40677 is fix which introduces the ported tools features. I tried downloading from SHOP Z with PTF number but these PTF is not included with pax file when I did unzip followed by Receive SYSMODS. Any idea or suggestion on why this PTF is included ? Is it licensed or a priced feature that we need to purchase seperately ? Jake -- For MVS-OE subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO MVS-OE -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [MVS-OE] Ported Tools - Unix
Looking at the z/OS 1.13 smp/e environment, it seems this PTF was included with
the base OS. Check to see if it's already installed.
Entry Type: SYSMOD
Entry Name: UA40677
To return to the previous panel, enter END .
To select an entry from a zone, enter S next to the zone.
* - Entry not found in zone.
** - Zone could not be allocated or is not initialized.
Status ---
ZONE TYPE FMID STATUS DATE TIME REWORK
GLOBAL
MVSD100 PTF HPUT110 ACC 11.157 16:30:52
MVST100 PTF HPUT110 APP 11.157 16:31:00
** Bottom of data
Norma Mowry
DECC-Mechanicsburg
Operating Systems Support (ESB11)
(717)-605-7865 DSN:430
e-mail address: norma.e.mowry@mail.mil
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf
Of Lizette Koehler
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 08:50
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: [MVS-OE] Ported Tools - Unix
Jake,
According to the text this is not a FIX and was released in 2008. So not
necessarily needed for your environment of z/OS V1.13
This is an SPE (Small Programming Enhancement) and released in 2008. So I do
not think it would apply to your system at all.
Have you looked on IBM.com for ported tools? Have you looked at this link?
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/features/unix/bpxa1ty1.html
Lizette
-Original Message-
From: MVS OpenEdition [mailto:mvs...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Jake anderson
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:38 AM
To: mvs...@vm.marist.edu
Subject: [MVS-OE] Ported Tools - Unix
Hello,
Cross posted to IBM MAIN and MVS-OE list.
we have a requirement of getting the ported tools feature to our Z/OS 1.13
system. I referred http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1OA22944. I
understood that
UA40677 is fix which introduces the ported tools features. I tried downloading
from SHOP Z with PTF number but these PTF is not included with pax file when I
did unzip followed by Receive SYSMODS.
Any idea or suggestion on why this PTF is included ? Is it licensed or a priced
feature that we need to purchase seperately ?
Jake
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The actual Ported Tools is a set of products which are freely licensed. When you order z/OS (or later as an independent order), you need to order the Ported Tools from the same site. You can order Ported Tools to be bundled with your z/OS order. Or you can order them later. They are in the list under MVS - System Mgmt and Security. Their are 5 selectable entries: IBM Ported Tools for z/OS IBM Ported Tools: Perl z/OS IBM Ported Tools: PHP z/OS IBM Ported Tool Sup Toolkit IBM Ported Tools: HTTP Serv On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Jake anderson justmainfra...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, Cross posted to IBM MAIN and MVS-OE list. we have a requirement of getting the ported tools feature to our Z/OS 1.13 system. I referred http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1OA22944. I understood that UA40677 is fix which introduces the ported tools features. I tried downloading from SHOP Z with PTF number but these PTF is not included with pax file when I did unzip followed by Receive SYSMODS. Any idea or suggestion on why this PTF is included ? Is it licensed or a priced feature that we need to purchase seperately ? Jake -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- This is a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. If this had been an actual emergency, do you really think we'd stick around to tell you? Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DataPower XML Appliance and RACF
Tim, AFAIK, that is a (relatively) recent *new* initiative. For several decades before that IBM had stopped providing free or very low-cost hardware and software to universities as they gravitated towards client-server (especially *ix-based) platforms for academic (as opposed to administrative) computer environments. IBM of the 1980's and 1990's just seemed to stop being interested in universities using its hardware and software to teach computer skills. In the 1970's at least there was still a significant presence of IBM gear in universities, and not much thereafter. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DataPower XML Appliance and RACF Peter Farley writes: When ... IBM stopped supporting computer science in universities with free or low-cost hardware and software... Is this actually true? http://www.ibm.com/ibm/university/academic/pub/page/systemz Timothy Sipples GMU VCT Architect Executive (Based in Singapore) E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Question about LSR vs HiperBatch
Hiperbatch is limited to 2GB of data for all files cached across the entire sysplex. It is a stabilized product no longer being actively updated. We use it for one particular file used across many applications, but that is the only file we can use it for since it is a large file ( 1.5GB). Also Hiperbatch works well for sequential access, but random access does not seem to benefit as much. Batch LSR works very well for random access (we use it quite a lot), but you may instead want to investigate the much newer System-Managed Buffering (SMB) capability, documented in the JCL reference and user guide manuals (cf. DD parameter AMP, sub-parameter ACCBIAS et. al.). HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mowry, Norma E CIV DISA ESB (US) Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 8:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Question about LSR vs HiperBatch We are looking into using either Batch LSR (local shared resources) or HiperBatch for batch jobs that use the same resources (VSAM files...) What (if any) are the recommendations, pitfalls of each or is the another option to do this? We are running z/OS V1.13. Thanks Norma Mowry DECC-Mechanicsburg Operating Systems Support (ESB11) (717)-605-7865 DSN:430 e-mail address: norma.e.mowry@mail.mil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DataPower XML Appliance and RACF
It seems something of an artificial barrier standing in the way of propagating System Z skills out to the younger generation. If the same low cost X86 platforms supporting z/OS were made available to learned institutions which are already available to independent software vendors, then we could allow our kids to get their feet wet and hands dirty with this technology... you never know, they might even like it. - Original Message - From: Peter x23353 Farley peter.far...@broadridge.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 6:23:07 AM Subject: Re: DataPower XML Appliance and RACF Tim, AFAIK, that is a (relatively) recent *new* initiative. For several decades before that IBM had stopped providing free or very low-cost hardware and software to universities as they gravitated towards client-server (especially *ix-based) platforms for academic (as opposed to administrative) computer environments. IBM of the 1980's and 1990's just seemed to stop being interested in universities using its hardware and software to teach computer skills. In the 1970's at least there was still a significant presence of IBM gear in universities, and not much thereafter. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DataPower XML Appliance and RACF Peter Farley writes: When ... IBM stopped supporting computer science in universities with free or low-cost hardware and software... Is this actually true? http://www.ibm.com/ibm/university/academic/pub/page/systemz Timothy Sipples GMU VCT Architect Executive (Based in Singapore) E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Where might I find the DSECT for the WEB control block
Even longer since everything OCO and no PLMs Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com wrote: counter-intuitive It has been perhaps over 20 years since MVS (subsequently OS/390 and z/OS) stopped putting things in the data areas book under the control block acronym but instead put them under the macro name, in part because the macro name is unique, and the control block name in some cases is not. At least with releases where books are provided, all you typically need to do is search on WEB and it will show the data areas book and the (IHAWEB) chapter within. Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Question about LSR vs HiperBatch
It may be worth noting that HiperBatch only caches the data component of a VSAM cluster indeed making it quite useless for direct/random access. DFSMS SMB makes LSR in batch real easy to use - but it is a Local Shared Resource; in case many users need to access/update the VSAM cluster at the same time - RLS may be another option to consider. Best Regards, Yifat Oren -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 4:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question about LSR vs HiperBatch Hiperbatch is limited to 2GB of data for all files cached across the entire sysplex. It is a stabilized product no longer being actively updated. We use it for one particular file used across many applications, but that is the only file we can use it for since it is a large file ( 1.5GB). Also Hiperbatch works well for sequential access, but random access does not seem to benefit as much. Batch LSR works very well for random access (we use it quite a lot), but you may instead want to investigate the much newer System-Managed Buffering (SMB) capability, documented in the JCL reference and user guide manuals (cf. DD parameter AMP, sub-parameter ACCBIAS et. al.). HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mowry, Norma E CIV DISA ESB (US) Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 8:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Question about LSR vs HiperBatch We are looking into using either Batch LSR (local shared resources) or HiperBatch for batch jobs that use the same resources (VSAM files...) What (if any) are the recommendations, pitfalls of each or is the another option to do this? We are running z/OS V1.13. Thanks Norma Mowry DECC-Mechanicsburg Operating Systems Support (ESB11) (717)-605-7865 DSN:430 e-mail address: norma.e.mowry@mail.mil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Why does IBM keep saying things like this:
It does not actually matter whether their systems are open or not; just different from IBM. Yes, the total cost is less expensive, because they are smaller. Yes, the cost per transaction is higher. However, the cost per transaction may be out weighted by other factors. Regardless, they'll work hard on making it cheaper per transaction. Will they succeed? May be, maybe not; but I think they have a good shot it. What I'm really saying is that there is more than one way to get great results. IBM is not guaranteed to be the market leader. IBM will have to fight to keep the lead and it will not be an easy battle. Of course, IBM will fight for it. I have a feeling that only time will tell. Don -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 1:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Why does IBM keep saying things like this: Don Williams writes: Younger/smaller businesses have the option to use the less expensive open systems, because they don't need the more powerful IBM mainframe. Are they less expensive? Are they open? Do all of them not need a zEnterprise? Like IBM's mainframes, each generation of open systems grow more powerful, has more features, etc. So as those new businesses grow, they can expect their open systems to grow with them. Can they? They have zero workloads requiring significant vertical scalability? They may not need to go through the pain of migration to different platform. Or they may. These companies may have a significant cost advantage over the older and larger companies. Do they? There's no such thing as economies of scale? I can open a new bank and enjoy lower costs per transaction than Citibank, JPMC, and Wells Fargo? It's very rare that smaller, startup companies have cost advantages over larger incumbents. They may have other advantages related to quality, distinctiveness, disruptiveness, and other factors, but lower unit costs isn't typically one of their advantages. (Venture capitalists are well aware of that characteristic.) Based on http://www.census.gov/econ/smallbus.html, there are around 28 million businesses in the US. About 3/4 of those businesses have no payroll (e.g., self-employed persons) and only account for 3.4% of business receipts. This means that about 7 million businesses with a payroll produce the US's GDP. Not quite. The public sector also contributes significantly to GDP -- government produces many goods and services (the P in GDP) -- so you have to account for that. The Fortune 500 only produces 15% of the GDP. Really? Well, it depends how you count. Take a look at this: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/world-economies- interactive/ The Fortune 500 actually produces the equivalent of 78.1% of U.S. GDP (2011). That's because most of them are global multinational companies. Which is a rather important detail in this story you're trying to tell. Somewhere I read that on average Fortune 500 companies only remain on the list for 75 years before being displaced. If that holds true, then in 75 years, half of the current Fortune 500 may be replaced by companies that are currently using open systems. It doesn't actually work that way. First of all, there's inflow, i.e. new mainframe customers, every year. (Yes, z/OS too.) I'm expecting this pace to increase, as a matter of fact, for a variety of structural market reasons. Second, the typical reason why companies enter or exit the Fortune 500 is because of corporate reorganizations: spinoffs, mergers, acquisitions, leveraged buyouts, etc., etc. Take a look at ATT, for example, from 1983 to the present. ATT alone has been responsible for a healthy percentage of churn within the Fortune 500. (As it happens there were several new mainframe customers born on January 1, 1984.) Third, there are many, many more indirect users of technology than direct ones, and that trend is only increasing. For example, practically every small business that launches needs a way to accept payments (credit cards, debit cards, etc.) How do they do that? Usually with a mainframe. Not an on premises mainframe, but sure enough their card terminal quite often talks to a mainframe, directly or indirectly. -- -- Timothy Sipples GMU VCT Architect Executive (Based in Singapore) E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM commitment to academia
jwgli...@gmail.com (John Gilmore) writes: We are in a situation much like that of the atomic-energy industry some years ago. The original Hanford, Washington, gaseous-diffusion facility for the separation of uranium isotopes was designed by Enrico Fermi, slide rule in hand. It then came uinder the control of AEC civil servants; and when decades later it was shut down, after polluting large tracts of the state of Washington all but irretrievably, there was no professional physicist on its staff. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#77 IBM going ahead with more U.S. job cuts today there has been a lot written about Admiral Rickover's exacting standards for nuclear plants not only for naval vessels but also land-based commercial nuclear power plants ... and that standards became more relaxed after Rickover. one of my favorites is Col. John Boyd ... who I knew and I sponsored his briefings at IBM. He wrote jet fighter pilot training manual that came to be used by nearly country in the world. He significantly improved the design of the F15 F18 and responsible for the design of the precursor to F16 (although lots of comments about design was significantly downgraded in becoming F16). I also credit him having big hand in F20/tigershark He is credited with the battle plan for Desert Storm in the early 90s and there have been comments that one of the problems with the conflicts the last decade was that Boyd passed in 1997. One could make a case that many of the F35/JSF could also be attributed to Boyd no longer being here. Lots of Boyd posts references http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html for a little mainframe ... Boyd biographies mention him doing tour in command of Spook Base ... including reference to it being a $2.5B windfall for IBM (possibly $18+B in today's dollars) ... spook base reference ... gone 404 but lives on at wayback machine: http://web.archive.org/web/20030212092342/http://home.att.net/~c.jeppeson/igloo_white.html Hugh Laurie (actor in TV House) even references Boyd in Gun Seller fiction ... quote in this recent (open linkedin Old Geek) discussion Is newer technology always better? ... also archived here http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#41 as an aside, Boyd wasn't authorized to do the design for what became the F16 ... and MICC felt threaten by his activities and tried to get the Air Force to sentence him to life in Leavenworth for stealing millions of dollars in gov. property (i.e. the unauthorized use of supercomputer time for the F16 design) ... fortunately he had carefully covered his tracks and they couldn't find evidence of his use (somewhat analogous to part of Laurie's theme in Gun Sellers). The issue of IBM short-term/long-term recently came up in this (closed linkedin) IBMers discussion: IBM going ahead with more U.S. job cuts today. part of my contribution archived here http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#77 for even more drift ... past couple months there has been lots of divers doing repair work on the seawall on the perimeter of the naval academy ... workers say that the concrete has significant erosion. Its only something like 30yrs old ... this compares to sea structures made from Roman concrete that has survived for 2000yrs Ancient Roman Concrete Is About to Revolutionize Modern Architecture http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-06-14/ancient-roman-concrete-is-about-to-revolutionize-modern-architecture -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Question about LSR vs HiperBatch
SMB (System Managed Buffering) is one of the better Performance options to apply to VSAM datasets in a long time and should be considered. In order for a VSAM dataset to be suitable for SMB is must be SMS managed and defined to SMS in the appropriate Data Class as an Extended Format Data Set (DATASETNAMETYPE=EXT). SMB should always be used for REPRO's and depending on the definition in the Cluster will use CO (Create Optimized) if the Cluster is defined with SPEED or CR (Create Recovery Optimized) if the Cluster is defined with RECOVERY. Both options are not declared in the ACCBIAS, VSAM uses them only for Repro. The other options are : DO (Direct Optimized) DW (Direct Weight) SO (Sequential Optimized) SW (Sequential Weight) VSAM will use the above options if Specified in the ACCBIAS..AMP JCL statement, and the activity on the dataset matches the option specified. For example, for DO, the buffers allocated will suit the access if it is mostly, if not all, Random access, so more Index buffers will be allocated. HTH Colin Pearce -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Yifat Oren Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question about LSR vs HiperBatch It may be worth noting that HiperBatch only caches the data component of a VSAM cluster indeed making it quite useless for direct/random access. DFSMS SMB makes LSR in batch real easy to use - but it is a Local Shared Resource; in case many users need to access/update the VSAM cluster at the same time - RLS may be another option to consider. Best Regards, Yifat Oren -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 4:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question about LSR vs HiperBatch Hiperbatch is limited to 2GB of data for all files cached across the entire sysplex. It is a stabilized product no longer being actively updated. We use it for one particular file used across many applications, but that is the only file we can use it for since it is a large file ( 1.5GB). Also Hiperbatch works well for sequential access, but random access does not seem to benefit as much. Batch LSR works very well for random access (we use it quite a lot), but you may instead want to investigate the much newer System-Managed Buffering (SMB) capability, documented in the JCL reference and user guide manuals (cf. DD parameter AMP, sub-parameter ACCBIAS et. al.). HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mowry, Norma E CIV DISA ESB (US) Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 8:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Question about LSR vs HiperBatch We are looking into using either Batch LSR (local shared resources) or HiperBatch for batch jobs that use the same resources (VSAM files...) What (if any) are the recommendations, pitfalls of each or is the another option to do this? We are running z/OS V1.13. Thanks Norma Mowry DECC-Mechanicsburg Operating Systems Support (ESB11) (717)-605-7865 DSN:430 e-mail address: norma.e.mowry@mail.mil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- This message, and any attachments, is for the intended recipient(s) only, may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or proprietary and subject to important terms and conditions available at http://www.bankofamerica.com/emaildisclaimer. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the
Re: Why does IBM keep saying things like this:
donb...@gmail.com (Don Williams) writes: It does not actually matter whether their systems are open or not; just different from IBM. Yes, the total cost is less expensive, because they are smaller. Yes, the cost per transaction is higher. However, the cost per transaction may be out weighted by other factors. Regardless, they'll work hard on making it cheaper per transaction. Will they succeed? May be, maybe not; but I think they have a good shot it. What I'm really saying is that there is more than one way to get great results. IBM is not guaranteed to be the market leader. IBM will have to fight to keep the lead and it will not be an easy battle. Of course, IBM will fight for it. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#39 Why does IBM keep saying things like this: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#44 Why does IBM keep saying things like this: there are lots of industry standard benchmarks ... which require published results of transactions per time as well as total cost per transaction (and for DBMS, they have to demonstrate conformance with ACID properties). long ago and far away, there were mainframe results for these benchmarks ... but not for a long time. it isn't a vendor issue since ibm does do these benchmarks for the other platforms it sells. example http://www.tpc.org/ tpcc (both transaction performance and price/transaction) http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_perf_results.asp a handle on part of mainframe total cost of ownership is IBM's mainframe revenue ... on the average. IBM's mainframe division earns total of $6.25 for every dollar revenue from processor ... aka a customer paying $28M for a 80-processor max configured z196 ... would avg. total payments to IBM of $175M (which is just the start for running mainframe datacenter). 80-processor max configured z196 is rated at 50BIPS ($175M/50 - $3.5M/BIPS). IBM's peak I/O benchmark for z196 is 2M IOPS using 104 FICON channels ... with 14 system assist processors. Peak SAPs is 2.2M SSCH/sec running all 14 at 100% busy, but recommendation is keep SAPs to 70% or less (1.5M SSCH/sec). IBM base list price for e5-2600 blade is $1815 and e5-2600 have ratings of 527BIPS or $3.44/BIPS (factor of million times less than z196). Recent FCS (FICON is heavyweight protocol layer on top of FCS that drastically cuts the native throughput) for e5-2600 claims over million IOPS (i.e. two such FCS would have higher throughput than 104 FICON) disclaimer: I worked with Jim Gray at IBM before he left for Tandem ... and his work to create tpc: http://www.tpc.org/information/who/gray.asp -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
rmm variable
Hello, I am in the process of upgrading to zos 1.12 and running into an issue. We have a rexx that uses EDG@FILE.0 to determine file placement on a tape for stacking files on this tape. EDG@FILE.0 no longer provides the Physical File Sequence Number so I cannot use this to determine how to stack my files on tape. I was directed to try to use EDG@DSN.0 to get this information but this does not provide the same information as EDG@FILE.0 used to. Has anyone run into this issue and if so what are you now using to get the same info that EDG@FILE.0 provided? Thanks, Kurt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM commitment to academia
Ted MacNEIL wrote: There is only ONE (pseudo-)University from Canada on the list! Canadian colleges don't cut it! Therefore: there is NO commitment in Canada. And, no propaganda will change that. If you mean Academic Initiative members, I'm confused by your post. The efforts of Parti Quebecois notwithstanding, Quebec was still a Canadian province when last I checked. There are two universities listed in Quebec at: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/education/academic/schools_na.html#quebec in addition to the one in Ontario (and in addition to the eight colleges you discount). Also, the people at Ryerson (which I see has been gaining accreditation for their programs) might dispute characterization of their institution as a pseudo-University, if that's who you meant. In fact, to be a full participant in the Academic Initiative, the institution must be accredited. It so happens that the Academic Initiative team is in the process of updating the list, so there will probably be additions and subtractions some time relatively soon. Finally, the commitment has to come from the institution itself. As I understand it, within the bounds of the program, it's open to any of them. So IBM's commitment is the same in Canada as it is in the USA or elsewhere. -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie ee...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ported Tools - Unix
On 06/17/13 10:09, Walter Marguccio wrote: snip AFAIK the Ported Tools are now distribued by Rocket Software: http://www.rocketsoftware.com/portedtools and have been rebranded. I can't tell you whether the PTF you claim is in the package, but I'd try to download the tools from then following the above link. Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer BELENUS LOB Informatic GmbH Munich - Germany What is the difference between the Rocket Software Ported tools package and the one ordered via ShopZSeries? -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL The quiet ones are the ones that change the universe... The loud ones only take the credit. Londo Mollari - Babylon 5 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM commitment to academia (was:ataPower XML Appliance and RACF)
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU wrote on 06/17/2013 10:15:25 AM: From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com My recollection is that gaseous-diffusion separation of uranium was performed at Oak Ridge and Hanford separated plutonium chemically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project Thanks for the link. Very accurate information. Lots of good memories. I did research @ X10 for 3 yrs and used a lab in the Graphite reactor, which had already been decommissioned. Glad so see they had the Treasury silver story. They don't have the later story about the medium level waste cells and the great contamination they caused. But those cells must have been where the waste went form the initial plutonium purification. Explains why they were located where they were on expensive, exposed real estate. - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ported Tools - Unix
There was mention of this by IBM on this at SHARE: https://share.confex.com/share/120/webprogram/Handout/Session12249/SHARE%20February%202013%20magdall.pdf (see page 9) According to this, the packages that will be picked up by Rocket include: perl, cURL, bzip2, sudo, and PHP This list does not include OpenSSH. If anyone has links to additional IBM announcements, please post them. Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Mark Jacobs mark.jac...@custserv.comwrote: On 06/17/13 10:09, Walter Marguccio wrote: snip AFAIK the Ported Tools are now distribued by Rocket Software: http://www.rocketsoftware.com/**portedtoolshttp://www.rocketsoftware.com/portedtools and have been rebranded. I can't tell you whether the PTF you claim is in the package, but I'd try to download the tools from then following the above link. Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer BELENUS LOB Informatic GmbH Munich - Germany What is the difference between the Rocket Software Ported tools package and the one ordered via ShopZSeries? -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL The quiet ones are the ones that change the universe... The loud ones only take the credit. Londo Mollari - Babylon 5 --**--**-- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM commitment to academia
This isn't really about IBM academia, but I think it may speak to IBM's commitment to the mainframe. As many of you know, I worked for a little over 3 years for IBM in Dubuque Iowa. The Dubuque facility is primarily for outsourcing. They have some Mainframe clients, but many many more clients that they outsource for doing Windows, Unix, Linux, and just about anything companies want. I believe there are at least 2 or 3 other places in the US that provide the same services. I think the biggest problem IBM has, at least in Dubuque, is low pay. I'm sure a few of you have had offers from IBM, but when you saw the pay, you just rejected it. The people they hire, at least when I worked there, are paid about half what they used to make. Obviously, if you've been unemployed for 6 months, and no prospects, you may decide to take the job but just for a while until you find something else. At least that's what I did. Unfortuneatly, I have that thing that almost no company wants, I'm old. I will say for IBM, they do hire older people, whereas most companies don't, although they will never tell you that's the reason for not hiring you. They also hire people who have no IT experience and train them, which is also a good thing. This is illustrated by one guy in my group who was in his 20's. He was hired and worked about 2 years for IBM. He then quit and found a job that I think paid about triple what he was getting. There are some very good MVS people working for IBM in Dubuque, but they are really overworked. There are also many more good people who are looking to get out of IBM. I haven't talked to anyone in Dubuque since I've left, so I can't comment on the current situation, but I know there were a lot of unhappy people there. To me, the unwillingness to pay market rate for employee's says a lot about IBM's commitment to high profits, but not to their people. It used to not be that way. Eric Bielefeld Retired z/OS Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rmm variable
Kurt,
I don't recall hitting this same issue when migrating to 1.12, but we do have
some code that returns a value for the number of files on the tape, if that's
helpful:
sysauth.edgdate = AMERICAN /* RMM flag for edg vars*/
RMM SD DSN('BDSN') OWNER(*) LIMIT(*) STATUS(PRIVATE)
If RC 0 Then Do
Say Data set BDSN not found in RMM database
End
Else Do
Volser = edg@vol.1
Say Data set BDSN on VOLSER Volser
RMM LV edg@vol.1 STATS
FS = Edg@dsc /* Get last file seq nbr */
Say Volume currently contains FS data sets
End
Greg Shirey
Ben E. Keith Company
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Of Kurt Eastwood
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:14 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: rmm variable
Hello,
I am in the process of upgrading to zos 1.12 and running into an issue. We have
a rexx that uses EDG@FILE.0 to determine file placement on a tape for stacking
files on this tape. EDG@FILE.0 no longer provides the Physical File Sequence
Number so I cannot use this to determine how to stack my files on tape.
I was directed to try to use EDG@DSN.0 to get this information but this does
not provide the same information as EDG@FILE.0 used to.
Has anyone run into this issue and if so what are you now using to get the same
info that EDG@FILE.0 provided?
Thanks,
Kurt
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Re: DataPower XML Appliance and RACF
In of1ecf1294.496b83c4-on48257b8d.0019fc54-48257b8d.001c4...@sg.ibm.com, on 06/17/2013 at 01:07 PM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com said: That wasn't part of the original assertion. But, since you raised the point, should IBM be providing free computing solutions for non-instructional uses to organizations that often charge hefty tuition rates and which have more accumulated wealth than many entire nations? Were IBM a charitable institution my answer would be no. Since IBM is a for profit corporation, the proper question is whether providing those solutions is legal and would improve IBM's long term profits. There's also the wee little problem, according to the history books I've read, that, for a period of time, IBM couldn't set its own prices exactly as it wished. Yes, that's what killed the 80% discounts, but the consent decree is gone and there's enough competition that it should no longer be an antitrust issue. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Batch TSO COPY?
I think this is a TSO version of the IDCAMS copy command. TSO get it's
parameters between parentheses so it should be more COPY FROMFDN('xxx')
todsn('xxx')
ITschak
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Hansen, Dave L - Eagan, MN
dave.l.han...@usps.gov wrote:
Dear Group,
From my '=6' (Enter TSO or Workstation commands ) I enter COPY. It
comes back and says ENTER 'FROM' DATA SET NAME -. If I follow the
prompts it will copy a PDS member for me. I thought this was TSO doing
this. But I found no TSO COPY command.
Q). Who's COPY program am I running when TSO responds with the dataset
prompt?
I ran a batch job:
//STEP1 EXEC PGM=IKJEFT1A,DYNAMNBR=300
//* SPROC DD DSN=SYS1.LPALIB,DISP=SHR
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=R
//SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=R
//SYSTSIN DD *
COPY FROM 'PMSBDH.LIB.DOC(XESPRTRS)' TO 'VPS.WORKSPC(XESPRTRS)'
/*
//
When I run my batch job I don't see COPY executing. I don't see much for
error messages.
Many thanks in advance, Dave
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Kurt, You should refer to the z/OS Migration books for the releases you skip and your target release. See http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/e0z2m171/9.2.26?SHELF=EZ2ZBK0IDT=20100128170349 It is the documented migration item related to the rexx stem variables. There is even a health checker check to help check through home written execs. Since R11 the only stem variable with stem .0 is the one directly related to the the SEARCH subcommand issued. So edg@vol.0 for SV, edg@dsn.o for SD etc. So, depending on the command issued, probably SD in your case, use edg@dsn.0 to find how many data sets(files) are on the volume. Or, you could use LV and then edg@dsc for number of data sets on volume - adding 1 for the next physical file on the volume. Mike Wood (rmm architect in a previous life) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Anyone familiar with how z/OS CSRCESRV works?
Charles,
hereby a piece of code I used (c++).
input char_compressed, output char_decompressed, input
max_ll_char_decompressed
Hope this helps and sorry for comments in italian language.
Best regards.
Massimo Biancucci
/* -- */
/* Esegue decompressione RLE come da macro CSRCESRV */
/* ci si aspetta di avere una stringa compressa in tal maniera*/
/* in output la stringa su output e la lunghezza del buffer di uscita */
/* se 0 abbiamo incontrato un errore*/
/* -- */
short rle_decode(char *input, char *output, unsigned short ll_i )
{
unsigned short i, j, i_i, i_o, i_copy;
char car;
if (input[0] ^= 0x80)
{
printf(Errore in rle_decode - Il buffer non e' compresso con rle);
return -1;
}
i_i = 1;
i_o = 0;
while (i_i ll_i)
{
i_copy = input[i_i] 0x7F;
if ((input[i_i] 0x80) == 0x80) /* si tratta di una ripetizione */
{
car = input[i_i + 1];
for (i = 0; i i_copy; i++)
{
output[i_o + i] = car;
}
i_o = i_o + i_copy;
i_i = i_i + 2;
}
else /* si tratta di fare una copia dei prossimi bytes */
{
for (i = 0; i i_copy; i++)
{
i_i++;
output[i_o + i] = input[i_i];
}
i_i++;
i_o = i_o + i_copy;
}
}
return i_o;
}
2013/6/11 Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org
Thanks. Yes, the compressed data clearly starts out with 80 followed (in my
case) by a run count 7f of uncompressed characters. After that, I can kind
of see some pattern but I am a long way from totally figuring it out. It
would take some real experiments to do so (as opposed to my just looking at
my existing data) -- or a post here or a private note from someone who has
already done those experiments.
Charles
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Subject: Re: Anyone familiar with how z/OS CSRCESRV works?
Hi,
in the past I had to look at such a tricky because CICS write SMF with RLE
if requested and I had to uncompress data on a PC.
The compressed buffer must start with x'80' else it's not compressed with
RLE (so the first character must be x'80' and you have to analyze from the
second one for the real string).
The escape character should be (once again) x'80' and the maximum length
for
the repeat-count is one byte (max=255) .
I'm not sure at 100%, it was a long ago.
Hope this helps.
Best regards.
Massimo
2013/6/11 Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org
Is anyone familiar with the internals of CSRCESRV run-length
compression?
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Grazie. Nessun problema. Posso leggere un po d'italiano.
Charles
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Subject: Re: Anyone familiar with how z/OS CSRCESRV works?
Charles,
hereby a piece of code I used (c++).
input char_compressed, output char_decompressed, input
max_ll_char_decompressed
Hope this helps and sorry for comments in italian language.
Best regards.
Massimo Biancucci
/* -- */
/* Esegue decompressione RLE come da macro CSRCESRV */
/* ci si aspetta di avere una stringa compressa in tal maniera*/
/* in output la stringa su output e la lunghezza del buffer di uscita */
/* se 0 abbiamo incontrato un errore*/
/* -- */
short rle_decode(char *input, char *output, unsigned short ll_i ) {
unsigned short i, j, i_i, i_o, i_copy; char car; if (input[0] ^= 0x80)
{
printf(Errore in rle_decode - Il buffer non e' compresso con rle);
return -1;
}
i_i = 1;
i_o = 0;
while (i_i ll_i)
{
i_copy = input[i_i] 0x7F;
if ((input[i_i] 0x80) == 0x80) /* si tratta di una ripetizione */
{
car = input[i_i + 1];
for (i = 0; i i_copy; i++)
{
output[i_o + i] = car;
}
i_o = i_o + i_copy;
i_i = i_i + 2;
}
else /* si tratta di fare una copia dei prossimi bytes */
{
for (i = 0; i i_copy; i++)
{
i_i++;
output[i_o + i] = input[i_i];
}
i_i++;
i_o = i_o + i_copy;
}
}
return i_o;
}
2013/6/11 Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org
Thanks. Yes, the compressed data clearly starts out with 80 followed
(in my
case) by a run count 7f of uncompressed characters. After that, I can
kind of see some pattern but I am a long way from totally figuring it
out. It would take some real experiments to do so (as opposed to my
just looking at my existing data) -- or a post here or a private note
from someone who has already done those experiments.
Charles
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On Behalf Of Massimo Biancucci
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:12 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Anyone familiar with how z/OS CSRCESRV works?
Hi,
in the past I had to look at such a tricky because CICS write SMF with
RLE if requested and I had to uncompress data on a PC.
The compressed buffer must start with x'80' else it's not compressed
with RLE (so the first character must be x'80' and you have to analyze
from the second one for the real string).
The escape character should be (once again) x'80' and the maximum
length for the repeat-count is one byte (max=255) .
I'm not sure at 100%, it was a long ago.
Hope this helps.
Best regards.
Massimo
2013/6/11 Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org
Is anyone familiar with the internals of CSRCESRV run-length
compression?
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Unless it's a Win8 challenge, these pages don't open... Would like to get some of these gems... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 11:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Vintage IBM Manuals I found this on another group I am on. This has entries for the old stuff if you are interested http://tk3.limewebs.com/Vintage_Manuals.html Here is a Short list of the manuals. There are many more Vintage Computer Manuals IBM Manuals - Bookshelf Miscellaneous Manuals IBM Manuals - Bitsavers.org Miscellaneous Software and Links Click here to email me your corrections or comments. You can help fight linkrot. Your corrections or additions will help to make this a useful page that is not dead like so many others. Last Updated: 04/08/2013 11:04PM IBM Manuals and Documentation LinkDescription Bitsavers Bitsaver's Index - Most Current List (directly from the Bitsaver's Website) Softlib 4shared Softlib Links on a single page G320-5774-1 VSAM Primer and Reference GA22-7000-0 IBM System/370 Principles of Operation GA22-7000-0 IBM System/370 Principals of Operation GA22-7000-4 IBM System/370 Principles of Operation GA22-7000-5 IBM System/370 Principles of Operation GA22-7000-5 IBM System/370 Principles of Operation GA32-0020-3 IBM 3803 Model 1 IBM 3420 Models 3, 5, and 7 Magentic Tape Subsystems Component Description GA32-0020-3 IBM 3803 Model 1 IBM 3420 Models 3, 5, and 7 Magentic Tape Subsystems Component Description GA32-0021-1 3803 Model 2 3420 Model 4, 6, 8 Magnetic Tape Subsystems Description Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Wouldn't open with IE on WINdows 7. Says I need to download java. Worked fine in Firefox. Alan Field Technical Engineer Principal BCBS Minnesota Phone: 651.662.3546 Mobile: 651.428.8826 From: Norman.Hollander norman.hollan...@desertwiz.biz To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 06/17/2013 14:08 Subject:Re: Vintage IBM Manuals Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Unless it's a Win8 challenge, these pages don't open... Would like to get some of these gems... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 11:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Vintage IBM Manuals I found this on another group I am on. This has entries for the old stuff if you are interested http://tk3.limewebs.com/Vintage_Manuals.html Here is a Short list of the manuals. There are many more Vintage Computer Manuals IBM Manuals - Bookshelf Miscellaneous Manuals IBM Manuals - Bitsavers.org Miscellaneous Software and Links Click here to email me your corrections or comments. You can help fight linkrot. Your corrections or additions will help to make this a useful page that is not dead like so many others. Last Updated: 04/08/2013 11:04PM IBM Manuals and Documentation Link Description BitsaversBitsaver's Index - Most Current List (directly from the Bitsaver's Website) Softlib 4shared Softlib Links on a single page G320-5774-1 VSAM Primer and Reference GA22-7000-0 IBM System/370 Principles of Operation GA22-7000-0 IBM System/370 Principals of Operation GA22-7000-4 IBM System/370 Principles of Operation GA22-7000-5 IBM System/370 Principles of Operation GA22-7000-5 IBM System/370 Principles of Operation GA32-0020-3 IBM 3803 Model 1 IBM 3420 Models 3, 5, and 7 Magentic Tape Subsystems Component Description GA32-0020-3 IBM 3803 Model 1 IBM 3420 Models 3, 5, and 7 Magentic Tape Subsystems Component Description GA32-0021-1 3803 Model 2 3420 Model 4, 6, 8 Magnetic Tape Subsystems Description Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I'm running FreeBSD on my workstation and FireFox was able to download the PDF's w/o a problem. Mark Jacobs On 06/17/13 15:08, Norman.Hollander wrote: Unless it's a Win8 challenge, these pages don't open... Would like to get some of these gems... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 11:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Vintage IBM Manuals I found this on another group I am on. This has entries for the old stuff if you are interested http://tk3.limewebs.com/Vintage_Manuals.html Here is a Short list of the manuals. There are many more Vintage Computer Manuals IBM Manuals - Bookshelf Miscellaneous Manuals IBM Manuals - Bitsavers.org Miscellaneous Software and Links Click here to email me your corrections or comments. You can help fight linkrot. Your corrections or additions will help to make this a useful page that is not dead like so many others. Last Updated: 04/08/2013 11:04PM IBM Manuals and Documentation LinkDescription Bitsavers Bitsaver's Index - Most Current List (directly from the Bitsaver's Website) Softlib4shared Softlib Links on a single page G320-5774-1VSAM Primer and Reference GA22-7000-0IBM System/370 Principles of Operation GA22-7000-0IBM System/370 Principals of Operation GA22-7000-4IBM System/370 Principles of Operation GA22-7000-5IBM System/370 Principles of Operation GA22-7000-5IBM System/370 Principles of Operation GA32-0020-3IBM 3803 Model 1 IBM 3420 Models 3, 5, and 7 Magentic Tape Subsystems Component Description GA32-0020-3IBM 3803 Model 1 IBM 3420 Models 3, 5, and 7 Magentic Tape Subsystems Component Description GA32-0021-13803 Model 2 3420 Model 4, 6, 8 Magnetic Tape Subsystems Description Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL The quiet ones are the ones that change the universe... The loud ones only take the credit. Londo Mollari - Babylon 5 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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stars...@mindspring.com (Lizette Koehler) writes: http://tk3.limewebs.com/Vintage_Manuals.html bitsavers has lots of manuals (and software) with some mirrors around the world http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/ 360 http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360 and 370 http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360 also share http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/share/ I had scan'ed and uploaded (share) lsrad report ... this last weekend I uploaded several more old documents which should be appearing in various directories soon. bitsavers also does software http://bitsavers.org/ for the fun of it, what's new http://bitsavers.org/pdf/Whatsnew.txt -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
TSO exits
The TSO customization manual says A private steplib is checked When checking for when checking for TSO TEST exits IKJEGMIE IKJEGMTE can TSOLIB be used as a place the system searches for these exits Sent from my iPhone -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ported Tools - Unix
Mark Jacobs wrote: snip What is the difference between the Rocket Software Ported tools package and the one ordered via ShopZSeries? (Posting on behalf of Jeff Magdall, who saw your post.) I wanted to respond to the questions you asked about IBM's Ported Tools offering. If you look at the IBM Ported Tools offering closely, some of the tools are down level. Rocket Software has elected to offer more current versions for some of these tools, and we understand they also offer optional fee based support. Rocket Software's offering is separate and distinct from IBM's, and for specific information about it, you should contact Rocket Software. The IBM Ported Tools product remains orderable through Shopz. Although plans can change, IBM has no plans right now to duplicate what Rocket Software has done. In fact, we are pleased to see others in the System z community offering popular tooling, and we might, for example, point to Rocket Software's site for clients that are interested in getting more current versions. I will share that we (IBM) are working on plans to update our Apache HTTP Server and OpenSSH offerings, and we will try to make information available as we conclude. Also, I think it's worth mentioning that we worked closely with Rocket Software to provide them whatever we could from our previous work on the tools they were interested in. We are pleased to see them contributing these tools to the z Community and encourage others to join. Jeff Magdall z/OS Product Manager PDT Lead magd...@us.ibm.com -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie ee...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rmm variable
Greg,
Thanks for the info.
Kurt
From: Greg Shirey wgshi...@benekeith.com
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Kurt,
I don't recall hitting this same issue when migrating to 1.12, but we do have
some code that returns a value for the number of files on the tape, if that's
helpful:
sysauth.edgdate = AMERICAN /* RMM flag for edg vars*/
RMM SD DSN('BDSN') OWNER(*) LIMIT(*) STATUS(PRIVATE)
If RC 0 Then Do
Say Data set BDSN not found in RMM database
End
Else Do
Volser = edg@vol.1
Say Data set BDSN on VOLSER Volser
RMM LV edg@vol.1 STATS
FS = Edg@dsc /* Get last file seq nbr */
Say Volume currently contains FS data sets
End
Greg Shirey
Ben E. Keith Company
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Subject: rmm variable
Hello,
I am in the process of upgrading to zos 1.12 and running into an issue. We have
a rexx that uses EDG@FILE.0 to determine file placement on a tape for stacking
files on this tape. EDG@FILE.0 no longer provides the Physical File Sequence
Number so I cannot use this to determine how to stack my files on tape.
I was directed to try to use EDG@DSN.0 to get this information but this does
not provide the same information as EDG@FILE.0 used to.
Has anyone run into this issue and if so what are you now using to get the same
info that EDG@FILE.0 provided?
Thanks,
Kurt
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Mike, Thanks for the info. Kurt From: Mike Wood mww...@ntlworld.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 1:09 PM Subject: Re: rmm variable Kurt, You should refer to the z/OS Migration books for the releases you skip and your target release. See http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/e0z2m171/9.2.26?SHELF=EZ2ZBK0IDT=20100128170349 It is the documented migration item related to the rexx stem variables. There is even a health checker check to help check through home written execs. Since R11 the only stem variable with stem .0 is the one directly related to the the SEARCH subcommand issued. So edg@vol.0 for SV, edg@dsn.o for SD etc. So, depending on the command issued, probably SD in your case, use edg@dsn.0 to find how many data sets(files) are on the volume. Or, you could use LV and then edg@dsc for number of data sets on volume - adding 1 for the next physical file on the volume. Mike Wood (rmm architect in a previous life) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ported Tools - Unix
On 6/17/2013 1:12 PM, John Eells wrote: I will share that we (IBM) are working on plans to update our Apache HTTP Server and OpenSSH offerings, and we will try to make information available as we conclude. It would be nice if OpenSSH and cURL came with z/OS without the PITA separate order and separate install. They are extremely popular and necessary utilities. Software developers should be able to count on them being in the base just the way they can with FTP. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I'm fairly sure that went I ordered z/OS 1.12 back when, I just clicked on all the Ported Tools entry and the order included them, already integrated. But it's been a while and I've slept so many times that details are as fuzzy as the Scottish coast in the fog. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.comwrote: On 6/17/2013 1:12 PM, John Eells wrote: I will share that we (IBM) are working on plans to update our Apache HTTP Server and OpenSSH offerings, and we will try to make information available as we conclude. It would be nice if OpenSSH and cURL came with z/OS without the PITA separate order and separate install. They are extremely popular and necessary utilities. Software developers should be able to count on them being in the base just the way they can with FTP. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 http://www.phoenixsoftware.**com/ http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ --**--**-- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- This is a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. If this had been an actual emergency, do you really think we'd stick around to tell you? Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Batch TSO COPY?
Hansen, Dave L - Eagan, MN wrote: From my '=6' (Enter TSO or Workstation commands ) I enter COPY. It comes back and says ENTER 'FROM' DATA SET NAME -. If I follow the prompts it will copy a PDS member for me. I thought this was TSO doing this. But I found no TSO COPY command. I remember that old thing, but AFAIK, it is NOT on my z/OS v1.12. Why are you using that instead of IEBGENER/ICEGENER, IEBCOPY, DFSORT, IDCAMS, TRANSMIT/RECEIVE, FTP, etc to do your copy work? Why not try using option =3.3 for example? Even SMCOPY could be good enough. (Session Manager COPY! ) Q). Who's COPY program am I running when TSO responds with the dataset prompt? Not on z/OS v1.12 AFAIK. I think you are using some custom written programodule / CLIST / REXX program? Use ISRDDN to locate COPY in all your TSO session allocations. I ran a batch job: //STEP1 EXEC PGM=IKJEFT1A,DYNAMNBR=300 There documented ways to do your copy via IKJ... , but I rather recommend you to invoke your favourite copy program themselves via JCL. Or call ISPF services or any copy program via a custom CLIST or REXX. Alternatively, is there any reason why you need to invoke those program(s)? Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ported Tools - Unix
Thanks for the information, much appreciated but sigh, it makes the job of the product install team (me for zOS) much harder to get pieces of the current operating system build from multiple vendors. Mark Jacobs From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of John Eells [ee...@us.ibm.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 4:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ported Tools - Unix Mark Jacobs wrote: snip What is the difference between the Rocket Software Ported tools package and the one ordered via ShopZSeries? (Posting on behalf of Jeff Magdall, who saw your post.) I wanted to respond to the questions you asked about IBM's Ported Tools offering. If you look at the IBM Ported Tools offering closely, some of the tools are down level. Rocket Software has elected to offer more current versions for some of these tools, and we understand they also offer optional fee based support. Rocket Software's offering is separate and distinct from IBM's, and for specific information about it, you should contact Rocket Software. The IBM Ported Tools product remains orderable through Shopz. Although plans can change, IBM has no plans right now to duplicate what Rocket Software has done. In fact, we are pleased to see others in the System z community offering popular tooling, and we might, for example, point to Rocket Software's site for clients that are interested in getting more current versions. I will share that we (IBM) are working on plans to update our Apache HTTP Server and OpenSSH offerings, and we will try to make information available as we conclude. Also, I think it's worth mentioning that we worked closely with Rocket Software to provide them whatever we could from our previous work on the tools they were interested in. We are pleased to see them contributing these tools to the z Community and encourage others to join. Jeff Magdall z/OS Product Manager PDT Lead magd...@us.ibm.com -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie ee...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Batch TSO COPY?
In cc42e2f56d60f24fb8a6bcc639d1d96306b1a...@samtcasxmb13.usa.dce.usps.gov, on 06/17/2013 at 05:20 PM, Hansen, Dave L - Eagan, MN dave.l.han...@usps.gov said: Q). Who's COPY program am I running when TSO responds with the dataset prompt? I could be the old kludgy IBM Data Set Utilities: COPY, FORMAT LIST ans MERGE. It could be ASI Superset utilities, a much nicer replacement, or it could be something else. You'd have to look at the module to be sure. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ported Tools - Unix
In CAHm_n2mEBW-wAB+K8rXaxJkFmJu_pQjPxMxPJZ7u=jyBp=h...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/17/2013 at 11:17 AM, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com said: According to this, the packages that will be picked up by Rocket include: perl, cURL, bzip2, sudo, and PHP Will they only offer Perl 5.8.7, or will they offer a more current Perl? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Vintage IBM Manuals
In m34ncwmslm@garlic.com, on 06/17/2013 at 03:42 PM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com said: and 370 http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360 ITYM http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370 -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Batch TSO COPY?
Enter TSO PROFILE command (at Ready, ISPF 6, or 'TSO xxx'). You should see MSGID. If not, enter PROF MSGID. The next time you enter COPY, you will see a message id on the prompt. That will/should tell what component you're running. . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 06/17/2013 05:26 PM Subject:Re: Batch TSO COPY? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU In cc42e2f56d60f24fb8a6bcc639d1d96306b1a...@samtcasxmb13.usa.dce.usps.gov, on 06/17/2013 at 05:20 PM, Hansen, Dave L - Eagan, MN dave.l.han...@usps.gov said: Q). Who's COPY program am I running when TSO responds with the dataset prompt? I could be the old kludgy IBM Data Set Utilities: COPY, FORMAT LIST ans MERGE. It could be ASI Superset utilities, a much nicer replacement, or it could be something else. You'd have to look at the module to be sure. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ported Tools - Unix and Re: Batch TSO COPY?
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:54:09 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 6/17/2013 1:12 PM, John Eells wrote: I will share that we (IBM) are working on plans to update our Apache HTTP Server and OpenSSH offerings, and we will try to make information available as we conclude. Is OpenSSH under a GPL-like license? Would that imply that the source (as ported) would have to be available under GPL-like TC? I have long suspected that IBM selected cURL as opposed to any program with similar function because cURL is not encumbered by GPL. It would be nice if OpenSSH and cURL came with z/OS without the PITA separate order and separate install. They are extremely popular and necessary utilities. Software developers should be able to count on them being in the base just the way they can with FTP. Is FTP in the base? Does FTP have TCP/IP as a prerequisite? Is TCP/IP in the base? I understand that I can't get to some of our lab systems via TCP/IP because we have elected not to license TCP/IP on them as a cost-saving measure. Have to use shared DASD dropboxes. (Yes, I'm hybridizing two threads. But my gripe applies to both.) On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:45:10 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: I remember that old thing, but AFAIK, it is NOT on my z/OS v1.12. Why are you using that instead of IEBGENER/ICEGENER, IEBCOPY, DFSORT, IDCAMS, TRANSMIT/RECEIVE, FTP, etc to do your copy work? Why not try using option =3.3 for example? I believe the OP said batch, which somewhat restricts the choice. Sure, I can run ISPF in batch and sometimes do. But PITA. One of my favorite examples to amuse my UNIX-partisan colleagues is: MVS JCL: //STEP EXEC PGM=IEBGENER //SYSIN DD DUMMY //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=(,) //SYSUT1 DD DISP=SHR,DSN=FIRST.FILE //SYSUT2 DD DISP=(,CATLG),UNIT=SYSALLDA, // SPACE=(CYL,1),DSN=SECOND.FILE versus UNIX: cp first.file second.file But you get so much finer control over the operation with JCL! One of the audience was amused/interested enough to ask as I explained the operands, What if you omit 'CATLG'? Does the file just sit there, orphaned? Well, yes, pretty much. And, oh, by the way, you have to spend $30K (is that about right?) for the hardware/software thingy that lets you steer the clock. And it still doesn't do NTP client. But it has sub-microsecond precision. If you need that. And, oh, by the way, it doesn't do LDAP/NIS/... client. But its security facility is far superior to what you have. It just doesn't play well with others. And, oh, by the way, user IDs are (for practical purposes) limited to 7 characters whereas the modal IT practice seems to be 8. But no site has so many users that 8 is insufficient. And since z/OS doesn't do LDAP, etc., that conflict is never joined. And, oh, by the way, SSL/SSH/SFTP isn't in the base. But it's a zero-priced option with just a tedious installation. Once you have TCP/IP. And, oh, by the way the customary X11 demos aren't in the base. But the source is supplied, and you can compile them. Compiler? Never mind. Gcc? Not really. Just ask John M. Of course, IBM is entitled to price à la carte as it chooses to maximize margins. And such as Timothy S. are yet haunted by the memory ... that, for a period of time, IBM couldn't set its own prices exactly as it wished, meaning that to some extent IBM was compelled to unbundle. Sheesh! -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ported Tools - Unix
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:30:19 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Will they only offer Perl 5.8.7, or will they offer a more current Perl? Did Il cimento dell'EBCDIC e dell'UNICODE ever get resolved in Perl? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ported Tools - Unix and Re: Batch TSO COPY?
On 6/17/2013 at 09:32 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: Is OpenSSH under a GPL-like license? No. The Linux RPM for it says BSD 3-Clause; X11/MIT the same as curl. Mark Post -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
