Re: DCF: Can it live again?
On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 13:16:37 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: Do you mean this Java-based version? http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg24000251 Not likely I would think - that was bloody awful under Linux. IBM obviously believed in that other Java mantra - write once, run nowhere. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Local Page dataset sizing/quantity ROT?
Hello David , DB2 support also says set dump services to allow for 16Gb SVC dumps to accommodate DB2 Since you say 16 GB for SVC dumps , you should atleast have a minimum of 48 GB local page space to start with (that is 1:3 ratio ) When we had to increase MAXSPACE limit to 16 GB couple of months ago , this is what IBM recommended and i believe it is documented as well . Thanks , Roger On Friday, December 27, 2013 2:51 AM, Jousma, David david.jou...@53.com wrote: Hey Ron, Thanks for asking. Preventative measures mostly, trying to avoid aux storage shortage where possible. We did have a case last week on a DEV system where a DB2 user tried to use a large portion of their 4T MEMLIMIT, DB2 support also says set dump services to allow for 16Gb SVC dumps to accommodate DB2. Things are just getting larger it seems. Seems easier to do today when lpars have much more memory than they used to in the past and various components are using more memory. Like I mentioned before, we normally don’t page much, if at all. However there are those cases of bad coding, or poor decisions on a developer or dba's part. It's more of an insurance policy that there is ample to time evaluate a errant paging situation before getting to the point where address space create fails. We always have had an unused local page dataset laying around to do a PAGEADD in the event of a problem. I guess in my mind I was envisioning some sort of ROT that said allocate 1.5x(OR 2x, etc) local page capacity based on online memory. Since we haven’t evaluated local page space quantity since 2006 I thought maybe it was time they had a boost. I guess that’s not necessarily the case. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ron Hawkins Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Local Page dataset sizing/quantity ROT? David, Perhaps with a different twist, what problems are you trying to prevent :-) I wouldn't go to the level of Controller separation anymore - it'd s bit of overkill. However I'd still look for some level of hardware separation within the controller to ensure paging runs as fast possible when you need it. Wide striping on EMC and HDS would make separate parity groups unnecessary, but consider Tier 1 or SSD for paging as you don't want it on the lowest tier when you need it. Also separate LCU, Channels, ports, and VSD for Hitachi Storage if you can. This things will optimize the speed of paging when you need it. Size is a question of the maximum number of slots you use when you page out, usually due to a dump. You may want to go back and look at how many slots you used the last few times dumping caused you to do some serious paging and size the locals to be 4 to 10 times the maximum slots used. In MXG parlance that would mean summing MAXUSED from TYPE75 for every interval, and then a proc univariate or means to see what shakes out. The idea here is to avoid AUX slot shortages. Have fun Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jousma, David Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Local Page dataset sizing/quantity ROT? Elardus, You are being a little tough on me today. Maybe your summer is too warm? ;) See below -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 11:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Local Page dataset sizing/quantity ROT? Jousma, David wrote: Hope everyone had a good holiday. What holiday? I don't see any holiday! ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D Ouch. Today we have a roughly 36GB of LOCAL page for each system, that was setup in 2006 spread across 4 mod-9's. Back then we didn't have the amount of memory on the processors that we have now, nor did we have DB2's using data above the bar. Most of the systems in our sysplex have around 40Gb of memory configured online. We have many more DB2 V10 instances active now than we did in 2006. Without doing a lot of math and measurements, I'm leaning towards giving each system between 80 and 100Gb's of local page spread across 4 LOCAL page datasets for each system? We have dynamic PAV's enabled. That would be 3-4 mod27's each. I could go with mod-54's, at 2 per system, but not really sure how much the actual number of virtual DASD devices even matters anymore? I think, you should say WHY are you asking? Performance issue? Response time? Batch jobs doing 'query from hell'? Workload issue? Other jobs / subsystems grabbing all memory? Anything else? have the occasional job that causes problems, usually DB2 related. Just please define your 'system'. DB2 [sub] system or LPAR system? SysPlex? 10-way
zOS server REXX CGI problem
Hi list, I corrected the errors that Steve found but to no avail. The structure of the file system on the HTTP server is /jedsp/web/pub underneath are directories for cgi, css and images The HTML is beneath /jedsp/web/pub The link is pppa href=../cgi/getenv.rexxEnvironment/a/p In httpd.conf: Exec/CGI/*/jedsp/web/pub/cgi/* The browser keeps syain connecting. Can somebody help? Thanks, j@n -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: zOS server REXX CGI problem
On 12/28/2013 4:42 AM, jan de decker wrote: Hi list, I corrected the errors that Steve found but to no avail. The structure of the file system on the HTTP server is /jedsp/web/pub underneath are directories for cgi, css and images The HTML is beneath /jedsp/web/pub The link is pppa href=../cgi/getenv.rexxEnvironment/a/p In httpd.conf: Exec/CGI/*/jedsp/web/pub/cgi/* The browser keeps syain connecting. Can somebody help? Thanks, j@n Well, not quite. You still have one anamoly in your invocation 'cgi' - 'CGI'. All the z/OS UNIX stuff is case sensitive. So go back to your HTML and make this change: pppa href=/CGI/getenv.rexxEnvironment/a/p Kind regards, -Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DCF: Can it live again?
Timothy Sipples wrote: Do you mean this Java-based version? http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg24000251 Page is dated 2005. Softcopy Reader for Linux V3.7 is dated 2007. But I must be fair: One of the pre-requisites is RedHat Linux 9.0 or later, but ... ... latest stable version is '9 alias Shrike / March 31, 2003' Strange. Is there not a version compatible with latest versions of Linux implementations? (with Linux stable version is 3.12 as of 2013) Shane Ginnane wrote: Not likely I would think - that was bloody awful under Linux. More bloody awful under Windoze XP SP3. ;-D IBM obviously believed in that other Java mantra - write once, run nowhere. LMFAO. ;-) More funnies before year version 2013 expires? ;-) Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Testing for key 8
Is there a simpler way to see whether we were called in key 8 I think that the odds are high that you should not be testing for key 8. Rather you should be testing for non-system key i.e., key 8-15. Note also that if you were entered by PC that might have changed key, you need to get the PSW via the ESTA instruction (you can use this also if you saved info on the linkage stack). Nevertheless, if you are running still in user key so can use EPSW, EPSW R14,R0 TMLH R14,X'0080'Key 8-15? JOIt_Is_UserKey Yes, branch Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Testing for key 8
Simple but more CPU is the testauth macro with keys keyword. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 28, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com wrote: Is there a simpler way to see whether we were called in key 8 I think that the odds are high that you should not be testing for key 8. Rather you should be testing for non-system key i.e., key 8-15. Note also that if you were entered by PC that might have changed key, you need to get the PSW via the ESTA instruction (you can use this also if you saved info on the linkage stack). Nevertheless, if you are running still in user key so can use EPSW, EPSW R14,R0 TMLH R14,X'0080'Key 8-15? JOIt_Is_UserKey Yes, branch Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need tutorial
Rexx is easy to learn. You need Cowlishaw's book and a system to play on: z/OS or rexx for Windows or Linux. COBOL will be a little tougher. Charles Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity Rajesh Kumar herowith.z...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I need a good tutorial for rexx and cobol. PleasePlease provide me. thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need tutorial
Actually CMS on VM better for rexx than z/OS. Charles Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Rexx is easy to learn. You need Cowlishaw's book and a system to play on: z/OS or rexx for Windows or Linux. COBOL will be a little tougher. Charles Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity Rajesh Kumar herowith.z...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I need a good tutorial for rexx and cobol. PleasePlease provide me. thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need tutorial
Hello , Check out the books given below . Rexx Programmer's Reference by Howard Fosdickhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0764579967/az395da1ee33o101a-20 . Practical Usage of TSO REXX by Anthony S. Ruddhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1852332611/az395da1ee33o101a-20 . Rexx With Os/2, Tso Cms Features: Quick Reference Guide by Gabriel F. Gargiulohttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1892559080/az395da1ee33o101a-20 . The REXX Language: A Practical Approach to Programing by Michail Cowlishawhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0137806515/az395da1ee33o101a-20 . REXX in the TSO environment by Gabriel F Gargiulohttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0894353543/az395da1ee33o101a-20 . Programming in REXX by Charles Daneyhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0070153051/az395da1ee33o101a-20 . The Rexx Handbook (J Ranade Ibm Series) by Gabriel Goldberg and Philip H. Smithhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0070236828/az395da1ee33o101a-20 . REXX Tools and Techniques by Barry K. Nirmalhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471585599/az395da1ee33o101a-20 . Regards, Baby On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Actually CMS on VM better for rexx than z/OS. Charles Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Rexx is easy to learn. You need Cowlishaw's book and a system to play on: z/OS or rexx for Windows or Linux. COBOL will be a little tougher. Charles Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity Rajesh Kumar herowith.z...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I need a good tutorial for rexx and cobol. PleasePlease provide me. thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Learning Rexx (was: Need tutorial)
On 2013-12-28, at 09:47, Charles Mills wrote: Actually CMS on VM better for rexx than z/OS. Why? (Risking an advocacy thread.) For me, one reason is the CMS HELP facility. In fact, sometimes coding Rexx for z/OS I'll log on to CMS merely to use HELP REXX instruction. Other reasons? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CA Top secret to RACF conversion
Greetings , Thank you everyone for your valuable suggestions . We are still discussing with our customer on the possibilities of getting a consultant for this migration . Thanks a lot ! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Learning Rexx (was: Need tutorial)
The user-friendly interactive nature of CMS. Charles Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On 2013-12-28, at 09:47, Charles Mills wrote: Actually CMS on VM better for rexx than z/OS. Why? (Risking an advocacy thread.) For me, one reason is the CMS HELP facility. In fact, sometimes coding Rexx for z/OS I'll log on to CMS merely to use HELP REXX instruction. Other reasons? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need tutorial
Rajesh Kumar wrote: I need a good tutorial for rexx and cobol. PleasePlease provide me. On what platform and environment? What is your goal to learn these two languages? Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need tutorial
You will get many answers. It would help to know your platform and what level of experience you have with REXX and COBOL. Do you have access to a system to work on these languages? If your company has funds, I would go to Steve's website and purchase his trainings packets before Dec 31. Tons of detail are available at: http://www.trainersfriend.com/SpecialSale/ Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rajesh Kumar Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 7:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Need tutorial Hi, I need a good tutorial for rexx and cobol. PleasePlease provide me. thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need tutorial
Lizette's point is the crucial one. I,. for one, would make quite different recommendations to a novice and to an experienced programmer who just happened not to know REXX and/or COBOL. What you know in detail may even be important. I recently taught REXX to my teenager group, who already knew PL/I and the HLASM macro language; they learned REXX very rapidly. Like many PL/I programmers they still make more use of optional semicolons than they need to do, but they were able to use REXX 'arrays' as soon as I made it clear that they were very like HLASM created set-symbol arrays. In a word, tell us what you [already] know. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need tutorial
Lizette's point is the crucial one. I,. for one, would make quite different recommendations to a novice and to an experienced programmer who just happened not to know REXX and/or COBOL. What you know in detail may even be important. I recently taught REXX to my teenager group, who already knew PL/I and the HLASM macro language; they learned REXX very rapidly. Like many PL/I programmers they still make more use of optional semicolons than they need to do, but they were able to use REXX 'arrays' as soon as I made it clear that they were very like HLASM created set-symbol arrays. In a word, tell us what you know. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Need tutorial
You can say that again! Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 2:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Need tutorial Lizette's point is the crucial one. I,. for one, would make quite different recommendations to a novice and to an experienced programmer who just happened not to know REXX and/or COBOL. What you know in detail may even be important. I recently taught REXX to my teenager group, who already knew PL/I and the HLASM macro language; they learned REXX very rapidly. Like many PL/I programmers they still make more use of optional semicolons than they need to do, but they were able to use REXX 'arrays' as soon as I made it clear that they were very like HLASM created set-symbol arrays. In a word, tell us what you [already] know. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Testing for key 8
This is the client side of an API which is going to do a PC to a started task. It can be called from plain code, or on occasion from a DB2 user exit. I want to know if it's a user exit, hence I'm testing the key. If non-system key is the real answer, then yeah, the IPK approach looks a bit better. On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:31:17 -0500 zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: :Is there a simpler way to see whether we were called in key 8 (not that :this is that complicated): : EPSW R14,R0Extract PSW : SLL R14,8 Get key bits in left-most nibble : SRL R14,28Now isolate in bottom nibble : CFI R14,8 Are we in key 8?? What is being called? PC? SVC? Simple subroutine? -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Testing for key 8
I don't know why you are checking the key on the client side, but your PC routine cannot really count on the filtering by the client side - if it will be setting a client passed protected storage location or accessing something that the client could not directly access it will need to validate the callers key itself. On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 15:35:33 -0500 zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: :This is the client side of an API which is going to do a PC to a started :task. It can be called from plain code, or on occasion from a DB2 user :exit. I want to know if it's a user exit, hence I'm testing the key. If :non-system key is the real answer, then yeah, the IPK approach looks a :bit better. : : :On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Binyamin Dissen :bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: : : On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:31:17 -0500 zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: : : :Is there a simpler way to see whether we were called in key 8 (not that : :this is that complicated): : : : EPSW R14,R0Extract PSW : : SLL R14,8 Get key bits in left-most nibble : : SRL R14,28Now isolate in bottom nibble : : CFI R14,8 Are we in key 8?? : : What is being called? PC? SVC? Simple subroutine? -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Testing for key 8
Right, I meant the *client* needs to make some decisions based on the environment. I know the STC can't trust the client. On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: I don't know why you are checking the key on the client side, but your PC routine cannot really count on the filtering by the client side - if it will be setting a client passed protected storage location or accessing something that the client could not directly access it will need to validate the callers key itself. On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 15:35:33 -0500 zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: :This is the client side of an API which is going to do a PC to a started :task. It can be called from plain code, or on occasion from a DB2 user :exit. I want to know if it's a user exit, hence I'm testing the key. If :non-system key is the real answer, then yeah, the IPK approach looks a :bit better. : : :On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Binyamin Dissen :bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: : : On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:31:17 -0500 zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: : : :Is there a simpler way to see whether we were called in key 8 (not that : :this is that complicated): : : : EPSW R14,R0Extract PSW : : SLL R14,8 Get key bits in left-most nibble : : SRL R14,28Now isolate in bottom nibble : : CFI R14,8 Are we in key 8?? : : What is being called? PC? SVC? Simple subroutine? -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube
AMAZING From: Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 7:08 PM Subject: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTdWQAKzESA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DCF: Can it live again?
On 28 December 2013 00:16, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: Do you mean this Java-based version? http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg24000251 Thing is, it's not really Java based. It's a Java wrapper for (presumably) the same old core binaries for Intel that the Windows version uses. You can't run it on e.g. z/OS UNIX, zLinux, or for that matter any OS on any platform other than i86. Now since IBM has killed off Softcopy Reader and friends, maybe they'd like to release the core Bookie code as open source, as they did for APL\360 and OORexx. Heh... Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
