Re: FTP hangs?

2014-11-26 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Ok, ok, ok, I hate to post twice, but here goes... ;-)

Phil, more diagnostics things you can review:

What version of z/OS are you using? 
Are you using IBM's TCP/IP software or another vendor's package?

DATACTTIME
FIFOIOTIME

Insert/remove TRACE and DEBUG statements.

Check your PROGxx parmlib member for placement of the modules used for FTP. 
(Look in Performance Considerations in 'IP Configuration Guide' for more info 
and other things to consider.)

Also, are your systems suffering other performance problems in CPU and/or 
network traffic? JES2 overhead work? Slow TN3270 response times?

My network guy says that some hardware problems can perhaps be the reason 
somewhere along the route between the 2 machines.

Or buy a bigger machine... ;-)

HTH and good luck!

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Eniac on display

2014-11-26 Thread Mike Schwab
http://www.wired.com/2014/11/eniac-unearthed/

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Re: Eniac on display

2014-11-26 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Mike Schwab wrote:

http://www.wired.com/2014/11/eniac-unearthed/

Very very interesting! Thanks Mike, for kindly sharing this entertaining 
article.

When I'm big and rich, I want one of such toys and wire it up for z/OS, but 
where oh where do I store that 27 ton thing? ;-)

Groete / Greetings
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Is there any other way to implement base sysplex excepting CTC

2014-11-26 Thread ibmmain
 
Hi all


 There are three LPARs in our SDM system in the same machine. We don't have any 
CF for this system


This system is a base sysplex,so we need to define CTCs between LPARs.


We don't like to define CTCs. Is there any other way to implement base sysplex 
excepting CTC.


Thanks a lot!


Best Regards,


Cai Jin Song

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Re: ShopzSeries problems?

2014-11-26 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Yesterday, I sent the email below and did not hear back from anyone.

Can someone confirm that Shopz download is working?

IBM acknowledged receipt of my reply to Customer Service but then silence.

I tried again this morning and still no joy.

Bob

From: Richards, Robert B.
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:35 AM
To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List (IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU)
Subject: ShopzSeries problems?

Is anyone else had problems this morning with Shopz?

The order gets fulfilled (supposedly), but when you click on the Download 
link, nada, nothing, zilch!

This just came out on my last attempt:

ERROR: SHP0003E: An unexpected error occurred. Please try again later. If the 
problem persists, please contact us (visit our Customer Service page for 
contact information).

I did fill out the webpage for further contact.

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Re: ShopzSeries problems?

2014-11-26 Thread Jousma, David
I can't even get into the site this morning.  I have an order that is still 
downloadable, and was going to try that for you.

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Subject: Re: ShopzSeries problems?

Yesterday, I sent the email below and did not hear back from anyone.

Can someone confirm that Shopz download is working?

IBM acknowledged receipt of my reply to Customer Service but then silence.

I tried again this morning and still no joy.

Bob

From: Richards, Robert B.
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:35 AM
To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List (IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU)
Subject: ShopzSeries problems?

Is anyone else had problems this morning with Shopz?

The order gets fulfilled (supposedly), but when you click on the Download 
link, nada, nothing, zilch!

This just came out on my last attempt:

ERROR: SHP0003E: An unexpected error occurred. Please try again later. If the 
problem persists, please contact us (visit our Customer Service page for 
contact information).

I did fill out the webpage for further contact.

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Re: ShopzSeries problems?

2014-11-26 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Thanks Dave.

I can get in and see my two downloadable orders, but after clicking on 
Download...nothing, followed a minute or two later by that SHP0003E message.

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Subject: Re: ShopzSeries problems?

I can't even get into the site this morning.  I have an order that is still 
downloadable, and was going to try that for you.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 6:56 AM
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Subject: Re: ShopzSeries problems?

Yesterday, I sent the email below and did not hear back from anyone.

Can someone confirm that Shopz download is working?

IBM acknowledged receipt of my reply to Customer Service but then silence.

I tried again this morning and still no joy.

Bob

From: Richards, Robert B.
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:35 AM
To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List (IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU)
Subject: ShopzSeries problems?

Is anyone else had problems this morning with Shopz?

The order gets fulfilled (supposedly), but when you click on the Download 
link, nada, nothing, zilch!

This just came out on my last attempt:

ERROR: SHP0003E: An unexpected error occurred. Please try again later. If the 
problem persists, please contact us (visit our Customer Service page for 
contact information).

I did fill out the webpage for further contact.

Bob

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Re: ShopzSeries problems?

2014-11-26 Thread Jousma, David
No problem. I was just able to get past the signon, and then after clicking my 
Orders things grind to a halt.

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Of Richards, Robert B.
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:08 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: ShopzSeries problems?

Thanks Dave.

I can get in and see my two downloadable orders, but after clicking on 
Download...nothing, followed a minute or two later by that SHP0003E message.

-Original Message-
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Of Jousma, David
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: ShopzSeries problems?

I can't even get into the site this morning.  I have an order that is still 
downloadable, and was going to try that for you.

_
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1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI  49546 MD RSCB2H p 616.653.8429 f 616.653.2717


-Original Message-
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Of Richards, Robert B.
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 6:56 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: ShopzSeries problems?

Yesterday, I sent the email below and did not hear back from anyone.

Can someone confirm that Shopz download is working?

IBM acknowledged receipt of my reply to Customer Service but then silence.

I tried again this morning and still no joy.

Bob

From: Richards, Robert B.
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:35 AM
To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List (IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU)
Subject: ShopzSeries problems?

Is anyone else had problems this morning with Shopz?

The order gets fulfilled (supposedly), but when you click on the Download 
link, nada, nothing, zilch!

This just came out on my last attempt:

ERROR: SHP0003E: An unexpected error occurred. Please try again later. If the 
problem persists, please contact us (visit our Customer Service page for 
contact information).

I did fill out the webpage for further contact.

Bob

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Re: ShopzSeries problems?

2014-11-26 Thread Jousma, David
Ok, getting a little further, site is really slow.   

And then I get the same error as you:

ERROR: SHP0003E: An unexpected error occurred. Please try again later. If the 
problem persists, please contact us (visit our Customer Service page for 
contact information).

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Re: ShopzSeries problems?

2014-11-26 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Thanks for confirming it ain't just me! :-)


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Subject: Re: ShopzSeries problems?

Ok, getting a little further, site is really slow.   

And then I get the same error as you:

ERROR: SHP0003E: An unexpected error occurred. Please try again later. If the 
problem persists, please contact us (visit our Customer Service page for 
contact information).

_
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Re: Is there any other way to implement base sysplex excepting CTC

2014-11-26 Thread John McKown
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 5:53 AM, ibmmain ibmm...@foxmail.com wrote:


 Hi all

  There are three LPARs in our SDM system in the same machine. We don't
 have any CF for this system

 This system is a base sysplex,so we need to define CTCs between LPARs.

 We don't like to define CTCs. Is there any other way to implement base
 sysplex excepting CTC.


​No. You must have  a CTC and/or Coupling Facility in order to have the
systems communicate.

 Ref:
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/iea2f1b0/1.1
quote

   - Signaling paths between MVS systems

   There must be at least two operational signaling paths (one inbound and
   one outbound path) between each of the MVS systems in the sysplex.

   The signaling paths can be defined through:

  - Coupling facility list structures
  - ESCON® or FICON® channels operating in CTC mode
  - 3088 Multisystem Channel Communication Unit

/quote
​


 Thanks a lot!

 Best Regards,

 Cai Jin Song


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AMODE Problem with CSVDYNEX

2014-11-26 Thread Donald Likens
I use CSVDYNEX to dynamically load an IEFU83 exit defined as AMODE31 (use 
system definition). I have been working to move information above the 64 bit 
bar and now have a problem I do not understand. As far as I can tell the last 
SAM instruction issued is SAM31 (Set Amode to 31) before issuing the CSVDYNEX 
ADD macro. I believe this is confirmed by the following PSW at abend after the 
failure:

Abend after add failure: PSW at time of error: 07041000 8000  
0008399A (bit 31 is 0 and bit 32 is 1 indicating amode 31) 

From PDSE… Attribute of the exit:
PDS120I PROGRAM RESIDENCE MODE IS ANY -- ADDRESSING MODE IS 31

I do not define the exit (use system definition) but it has not changed.

So why is CSVDYNEX giving me the following return code-reason:
RC=0008-0827

From the manual: 0827

CSVDYNEXRSNBADAMODE
Meaning: Program error. For an ADD, MODIFY, or
REPLACE request: one of the following occurred:
v An exit routine with AMODE=31 is being added to an exit
that requires that its exit routines have AMODE=24.
v An exit routine with AMODE=24 is being added to an exit
that requires that its exit routines have AMODE=31.
Action: Make sure the AMODE attributes of the exit routine to be added conform 
to the exit definition. 
 

   

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Death of spinning disk?

2014-11-26 Thread John McKown
Well, maybe, according to:
http://www.itworld.com/article/2851057/intel-and-micron-are-going-to-kill-the-hard-disk-drive.html

According to this, Intel is thinking that 10Tb SSDs will be available in a
couple of years. From what I have read, despite the wearing problem, with
SSDs, one which is properly configured (extra memory to dynamically replace
worn-out memory and load balancing) can last as long, or longer, than the
traditional spinning HD.

Of course, I also remember how bubble memory was going to destroy the HD
market too.

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Where is the JESMSGLG described?

2014-11-26 Thread Peter Hunkeler
I can't seem to remember what manual describes the header and footer messages 
in the JES2 JESMSGLG data set. Does anyone know?

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Re: Death of spinning disk?

2014-11-26 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM

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Behalf Of John McKown
Sent: 26 November, 2014 14:14
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Death of spinning disk?

Well, maybe, according to:
http://www.itworld.com/article/2851057/intel-and-micron-are-going-to-kill-the-hard-disk-drive.html

According to this, Intel is thinking that 10Tb SSDs will be available in a 
couple of years. From what I have read, despite the wearing problem, with 
SSDs, one which is properly configured (extra memory to dynamically replace 
worn-out memory and load balancing) can last as long, or longer, than the 
traditional spinning HD.

Of course, I also remember how bubble memory was going to destroy the HD 
market too.

Well, I can buy a 1TB SSD now for the price of a 40GB spinning disk 10 years 
ago. Plus, flash memory in CPUs comes with a minimal quantity, that you dare 
not dream about for real memory. I think this is going to work.

Kees.


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Re: Is there any other way to implement base sysplex excepting CTC

2014-11-26 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Cai Jin Song wrote:

This system is a base sysplex,so we need to define CTCs between LPARs. 
 
WAD
 
We don't like to define CTCs. 

Why?

Is there any other way to implement base sysplex excepting CTC. 
 
AFAIK, no.

Groete / Greetings
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Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID

2014-11-26 Thread Lucas Rosalen
To apply PTFs for a specific fmid:

//APPLYEXEC PGM=GIMSMP,PARM='DATE=U',REGION=0M
//SMPCSI   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=your_csi
//SMPCNTL  DD *
SET BDY (your_target) .
APPLY PTFS FORFMID (your_fmid)
GROUPEXTEND BYPASS(HOLDSYS) RETRY(YES) C(ALL)
.

Hope this is what you've been looking for.

Lucas Rosalen
Kurt:

I was working on a specific product and *ONLY* wanted maintenance for that.
Time and again I had to figure out all the pertaining PTF's and do a
select(,,,,eee, etc etc) I did NOT want maintenance for
other products to be recieved and applied.

Ed

On Nov 25, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Kurt Quackenbush wrote:

 Is it possible to use RECEIVE ORDER for a specific FMID?
 I am running SMP/E 36.11 on z/OS 1.13.

  To what purpose?  Limiting bandwidth for an urgently needed
 PTF?  Sooner or later you're likely to need all available PTFs.
 Easier to RECEIVE all and APPLY SELECT( ... ) GROUPEXTEND
 [CHECK]


 Yes, yes, yes!  What he said exactly.  Why oh why do you want to order and
 receive PTFs for only a specific FMID?  Why don't you want PTFs for all of
 your installed FMIDs?  Of course you don't need to APPLY them all, but you
 will have them when you do eventually need 'em.

 Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development

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Re: ShopzSeries problems?

2014-11-26 Thread Roger Mihay
I also am having a problem with downloads from ShopzSeries.  I wasn't on
IBM-MAIN yesterday.  I started a PMR yesterday afternoon and got this relpy:

There was an issue reported that was making that message appear.
The internal teams have been working over the issue and it should be fixed
by now.

Could you please help us out by trying to download your order once again?

I've checked your ID and I was able to get to the download link of your
order:

But today all I get is the page stating:

*The page you requested cannot be displayed* .



On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Richards, Robert B. 
robert.richa...@opm.gov wrote:

 Thanks for confirming it ain't just me! :-)


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 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:19 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: ShopzSeries problems?

 Ok, getting a little further, site is really slow.

 And then I get the same error as you:

 ERROR: SHP0003E: An unexpected error occurred. Please try again later. If
 the problem persists, please contact us (visit our Customer Service page
 for contact information).

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 Dave Jousma
 Assistant Vice President, Mainframe Engineering david.jou...@53.com
 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI  49546 MD RSCB2H p 616.653.8429 f
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Re: AMODE Problem with CSVDYNEX

2014-11-26 Thread Dave Day

How are you doing the add?

If you are giving it an address of code to use as opposed to a module 
name, that may be the problem.


Based on what you posted here, I don;t believe it is griping about the 
code doing the add.  Its the module being added.


--Dave
On 11/26/2014 7:06 AM, Donald Likens wrote:

I use CSVDYNEX to dynamically load an IEFU83 exit defined as AMODE31 (use 
system definition). I have been working to move information above the 64 bit 
bar and now have a problem I do not understand. As far as I can tell the last 
SAM instruction issued is SAM31 (Set Amode to 31) before issuing the CSVDYNEX 
ADD macro. I believe this is confirmed by the following PSW at abend after the 
failure:

Abend after add failure: PSW at time of error: 07041000 8000  
0008399A (bit 31 is 0 and bit 32 is 1 indicating amode 31)

 From PDSE… Attribute of the exit:
PDS120I PROGRAM RESIDENCE MODE IS ANY -- ADDRESSING MODE IS 31

I do not define the exit (use system definition) but it has not changed.

So why is CSVDYNEX giving me the following return code-reason:
RC=0008-0827

 From the manual: 0827

CSVDYNEXRSNBADAMODE
Meaning: Program error. For an ADD, MODIFY, or
REPLACE request: one of the following occurred:
v An exit routine with AMODE=31 is being added to an exit
that requires that its exit routines have AMODE=24.
v An exit routine with AMODE=24 is being added to an exit
that requires that its exit routines have AMODE=31.
Action: Make sure the AMODE attributes of the exit routine to be added conform 
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Re: Where is the JESMSGLG described?

2014-11-26 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Peter Hunkeler wrote:

I can't seem to remember what manual describes the header and footer messages 
in the JES2 JESMSGLG data set. Does anyone know?

I as$$ume you are talking about the 'dataset' inside a job like these: JESJCL, 
JESJCLIN, JESMSGLG, JESYSMSG.

Could you be kind to show us example of what you mean for 'header and footer 
messages'?

I faintly remember something about where you can tell JES2 how to write+route 
messages in its 'datasets' or let JES2 use its default formatting...

Groete / Greetings
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Facebook Can't Cite Evidence to Support Claims of U.S. Tech Worker Shortage

2014-11-26 Thread Mark Regan
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/11/25/Facebook-Can-t-Cite-Evidence-to-Support-Claims-of-U-S-Tech-Worker-Shortage-After-MSM-Finally-Challenges
 
Thanks, 

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Re: AMODE Problem with CSVDYNEX

2014-11-26 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Donald Likens wrote:
I use CSVDYNEX to dynamically load an IEFU83 exit defined as AMODE31 (use 
system definition). 

On what z/OS version? (At least on v1.13, that CSVDYNEX macro is only for AMODE 
24 and 31.)

Please post your SAM and CSVDYNEX statements plus all keywords.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Where is the JESMSGLG described?

2014-11-26 Thread Lucas Rosalen
Maybe JES2 Init and Tunning Reference/Guide. I got some hits searching on
them.

Lucas Rosalen
Em 26/11/2014 11:41, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
escreveu:

 Peter Hunkeler wrote:

 I can't seem to remember what manual describes the header and footer
 messages in the JES2 JESMSGLG data set. Does anyone know?

 I as$$ume you are talking about the 'dataset' inside a job like these:
 JESJCL, JESJCLIN, JESMSGLG, JESYSMSG.

 Could you be kind to show us example of what you mean for 'header and
 footer messages'?

 I faintly remember something about where you can tell JES2 how to
 write+route messages in its 'datasets' or let JES2 use its default
 formatting...

 Groete / Greetings
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Re: ShopzSeries problems?

2014-11-26 Thread Skeldum, William
Our nightly job to download PTFs also failed last night.

GIM69207S ** THE CONNECTION WITH THE SERVER FAILED. java.net.ConnectException:
 EDC8128I Connection refused.

HTTP Server Error: 502 Bad Gateway
Connection attempt: 60, WAIT time remaining: 1 minute.
Will retry connection to the order server in 1 minute.
Connection failed.
Connection attempt: 61, WAIT time remaining: 0 minutes.

smpeCC:10 smpeRoutine:GIMJVREQ smpeMsgLen:55 smpeMsg:java.net.ConnectExc
eption: EDC8128I Connection refused.

Bill

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Of Roger Mihay
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 6:31 AM
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Subject: Re: ShopzSeries problems?

I also am having a problem with downloads from ShopzSeries.  I wasn't on 
IBM-MAIN yesterday.  I started a PMR yesterday afternoon and got this relpy:

There was an issue reported that was making that message appear.
The internal teams have been working over the issue and it should be fixed by 
now.

Could you please help us out by trying to download your order once again?

I've checked your ID and I was able to get to the download link of your
order:

But today all I get is the page stating:

*The page you requested cannot be displayed* .



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 Ok, getting a little further, site is really slow.

 And then I get the same error as you:

 ERROR: SHP0003E: An unexpected error occurred. Please try again later.
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Archive search problems

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Re: Archive search problems

2014-11-26 Thread Jousma, David
In the absence of that, you can see everything here:  

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/bit.listserv.ibm-main

I actually find it easier to use this than the archives.
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Re: since last official 2.1-ptf-update problem with PASN-AL-entries

2014-11-26 Thread Peter Relson
This is likely due to an intentional change in OA45768.

It was never documented that z/OS would delete entries from a PASN access 
list for a deleted data space. Doing such deletion, in some cases, causes 
problems that can be dealt with only by not having done the deletion.

A program relying on the deletion behavior (and encountering no PASN AL 
entry available) will have to be changed.

I don't recall if there was any hold information in the APAR that 
described the ramification to a program relying on the undocumented 
behavior.

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Re: FTP hangs?

2014-11-26 Thread Barry Merrill
Our PASV experience with users uploading data files to us and
downloading the (one) MXG Software file has been binary.

At some sites PASV is required, or the transfer never initiates,
while at other sites, enabling PASV causes the transfer to fail,
often with a BROKEN PIPE message after moving many megabytes of data. 

My notes show that these ftp error messages have been resolved by 
reversing the PASV option.

  EZA1735I Std Return Code=06000, Error Code=7.
  EZA1735I Std Return Code=25150, Error Code=00010.
  EZA1735I Std Return Code=16426, Error Code=2
  EZA1735I Std Return Code=27426, Error Code=2
  EZA1735I Std Return Code=26530, Error Code=00011
  EZA1735I Std Return Code=27150, Error Code=9
  EZA1735I Std Return Code=27550, Error Code=00010
  EZA1735I Std Return Code=16450, Error Code=2.
  ERRORS when GET partially transfers, times out waiting for z/OS,
after reading three tape volumes!  EPASV/LOCSITE FWFRIENDLY.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:31 AM
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Subject: Re: FTP hangs?

Maybe you could try to use the FTP PASV command.  If you are using perl for the 
FTP, try set (export) FTP_PASSIVE=1 to see it if helps.  From experience, 
corporate managed firewalls can get in the way.  I have been running in passive 
mode for a while and do not see any performance problems (running without 
passive and having FTP not work was a serious performance problem). 

...chris.

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Subject: Re: FTP hangs?

On 2014-11-25 13:47, Phil Smith wrote:
 Like many companies, we use a z/OS guest at IBM Dallas for our testing. We 
 also cross-compile our source on Windows, using the Dignus compiler. 
 Obviously, this results in lots of FTPing bits from our systems to Dallas. 
 Moreover, we do tons of automated testing submitting jobs and gathering 
 output directly to and from the JES queue with FILETYPE=JES.

 Usually this all works fine. Some days, however, are a disaster, with FTP 
 hanging constantly, both during traditional file transfers and when 
 communicating with the SPOOL via FILETYPE=JES.

 We've been unable to identify any commonality to the bad days. At various 
 times we've suspected shortage of SPOOL space; something latent in not having 
 IPLed recently (we do wind up IPLing fairly frequently, due to running out of 
 reusable address spaces after stopping and restarting our cross-memory STC 
 repeatedly); shortage of initiators; and other things along those lines, but 
 have always been able to disprove those theories.

 For example, today, with only two of us around (and thus even more control 
 than usual), is a bad day: test jobs keep hanging in FTP. We reIPLed, and 
 SPOOL and initiators are fine, but the hangs continue.

 We've talked with IBM and our own IT, and nobody seems to have any clue about 
 how to diagnose this.

 Any ideas? It's not only frustrating, but when we're on a release deathmarch, 
 is particularly disruptive to schedules!

 Thanks in advance,

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We had a problem with FTP to IBM Dallas about four years ago. It didn't hang, 
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connection from defaultsize to 1492, and things got much better. Just a 
thought, in case your hang isn't really quite a hang.

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Re: VLF caching

2014-11-26 Thread Peter Relson
VLF writes SMF 41 records, but they are unusable for LLA. 
Since LLA manages its VLF cache and knows what is in it 
and what is not, it will always have a 100% hitratio on 
its VLF cache, which will be reported by VLF records 41.

That is not correct. It is true that LLA does know what it put into the 
cache (as would most VLF exploiters), but (as with all VLF exploiters) it 
has no idea what VLF has taken out due to trimming.

LLA (as with all VLF exploiters) finds out when it goes to retrieve data 
that it had cached but that VLF has trimmed that the data is no longer 
available to be retrieved. LLA then acts accordingly.

I presume, therefore, that the SMF 41 records do have legitimate 
information about the amount of trimming that has occurred.

If no trimming is occurring, then the cache is not full.

Peter Relson
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Re: VLF caching

2014-11-26 Thread Bob Shannon
VLF writes SMF 41 records, but they are unusable for LLA.
That is not correct. It is true that LLA does know what it put into the cache 
(as would most VLF exploiters), but (as with all VLF exploiters) it has no 
idea what VLF has taken out due to trimming.

I tend to agree with the OP. LLA will only check VLF for modules it previously 
cached. Granted there may be some trimming, but I don't ever recall seeing less 
than a 100% hit ratio for LLA. The other VLF exploiters behave differently and 
the SMF statistics for them tend to be helpful. The CSVLLIX1 exit is required 
for accurate LLA fetch statistics.

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Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID

2014-11-26 Thread Ed Gould

Thanks.
However *I* was the one that raised a SHARE requirement for forfmid. :)

Ed

On Nov 26, 2014, at 7:30 AM, Lucas Rosalen wrote:


To apply PTFs for a specific fmid:

//APPLYEXEC PGM=GIMSMP,PARM='DATE=U',REGION=0M
//SMPCSI   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=your_csi
//SMPCNTL  DD *
SET BDY (your_target) .
APPLY PTFS FORFMID (your_fmid)
GROUPEXTEND BYPASS(HOLDSYS) RETRY(YES) C(ALL)
.

Hope this is what you've been looking for.

Lucas Rosalen
Kurt:

I was working on a specific product and *ONLY* wanted maintenance  
for that.

Time and again I had to figure out all the pertaining PTF's and do a
select(,,,,eee, etc etc) I did NOT want  
maintenance for

other products to be recieved and applied.

Ed

On Nov 25, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Kurt Quackenbush wrote:

 Is it possible to use RECEIVE ORDER for a specific FMID?

I am running SMP/E 36.11 on z/OS 1.13.

 To what purpose?  Limiting bandwidth for an urgently needed

PTF?  Sooner or later you're likely to need all available PTFs.
Easier to RECEIVE all and APPLY SELECT( ... ) GROUPEXTEND
[CHECK]



Yes, yes, yes!  What he said exactly.  Why oh why do you want to  
order and
receive PTFs for only a specific FMID?  Why don't you want PTFs  
for all of
your installed FMIDs?  Of course you don't need to APPLY them all,  
but you

will have them when you do eventually need 'em.

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Re: Getting ptfs for a specific FMID

2014-11-26 Thread Lucas Rosalen
Well played mr. Gould!

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2014-11-26 14:44 GMT-02:00 Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net:

 Thanks.
 However *I* was the one that raised a SHARE requirement for forfmid. :)

 Ed


 On Nov 26, 2014, at 7:30 AM, Lucas Rosalen wrote:

  To apply PTFs for a specific fmid:

 //APPLYEXEC PGM=GIMSMP,PARM='DATE=U',REGION=0M
 //SMPCSI   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=your_csi
 //SMPCNTL  DD *
 SET BDY (your_target) .
 APPLY PTFS FORFMID (your_fmid)
 GROUPEXTEND BYPASS(HOLDSYS) RETRY(YES) C(ALL)
 .

 Hope this is what you've been looking for.

 Lucas Rosalen
 Kurt:

 I was working on a specific product and *ONLY* wanted maintenance for
 that.
 Time and again I had to figure out all the pertaining PTF's and do a
 select(,,,,eee, etc etc) I did NOT want maintenance
 for
 other products to be recieved and applied.

 Ed

 On Nov 25, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Kurt Quackenbush wrote:

  Is it possible to use RECEIVE ORDER for a specific FMID?

 I am running SMP/E 36.11 on z/OS 1.13.

  To what purpose?  Limiting bandwidth for an urgently needed

 PTF?  Sooner or later you're likely to need all available PTFs.
 Easier to RECEIVE all and APPLY SELECT( ... ) GROUPEXTEND
 [CHECK]


 Yes, yes, yes!  What he said exactly.  Why oh why do you want to order
 and
 receive PTFs for only a specific FMID?  Why don't you want PTFs for all
 of
 your installed FMIDs?  Of course you don't need to APPLY them all, but
 you
 will have them when you do eventually need 'em.

 Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development

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Re: Archive search problems

2014-11-26 Thread Tony Harminc
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Re: Archive search problems

2014-11-26 Thread Dazzo, Matt
Dave, thanks that's awesome. Is there an index in google for all the listserv 
groups?

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In the absence of that, you can see everything here:  

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Re: Archive search problems

2014-11-26 Thread Chase, John
Google 'bit.listserv'.


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 Dave, thanks that's awesome. Is there an index in google for all the listserv 
 groups?
 
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 I actually find it easier to use this than the archives.
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Re: FTP hangs?

2014-11-26 Thread Kirk Wolf
Phil,

We also use IBM z/OS RDP, and although I haven't seen FTP hangs, I have
noticed that when uploading lots of files that there are commonly errors
that require retry.   We found that if using the Ant FTP task, that
setting retriesAllowed fixed the problem. I would suggest that you
see if there are any diagnostic capabilities in your FTP client that allow
you to see if there are any other symptoms besides hanging.

Along with the very good suggestions by others, I would also check your
OMVS setup (see z/OS Unix Init and Tuning and z/OS Comm Server
Configuration Guide).If you don't have syslogd set up, you may be
missing important information about FTP server failures.

Even better than FTP, you can use Co:Z SFTP
https://www.dovetail.com/products/sftp.html at no cost under  Dovetaill's
Community License.

- you can use Ant SFTP (SCP with sftp=true)
https://ant.apache.org/manual/Tasks/scp.html tasks from your IDE to
automate synchronizing your workstation IDE

- it supports JES job / output processing
https://www.dovetail.com/docs/sftp/using.html#server_jes

( we do our builds with Ant scripts that use SFTP to incrementally upload
any changed files, and then an SSH task to remotely run make to build or
run regression tests)


Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Paul Gilmartin 
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:

 On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 09:17:15 -0600, Barry Merrill wrote:

 Our PASV experience with users uploading data files to us and
 downloading the (one) MXG Software file has been binary.
 
 At some sites PASV is required, or the transfer never initiates,
 while at other sites, enabling PASV causes the transfer to fail,
 often with a BROKEN PIPE message after moving many megabytes of data.
 
 Simpler is better.  Use sftp when possible.

 -- gil

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Re: Eniac on display

2014-11-26 Thread Ed Finnell
Right next to the 750 kva generator?
 
 
In a message dated 11/26/2014 5:22:24 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za writes:

When I'm  big and rich, I want one of such toys and wire it up for z/OS, 
but where oh  where do I store that 27 ton thing?  ;-)


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Re: ShopzSeries problems?

2014-11-26 Thread Matthew Stitt
I just checked and it now lets me access the download information.  So 
ShopZseries appears to be working again.

Matthew

On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:20:23 -0500, Richards, Robert B. 
robert.richa...@opm.gov wrote:

Thanks for confirming it ain't just me!:-)


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Jousma, David
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:19 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: ShopzSeries problems?

Ok, getting a little further, site is really slow.   

And then I get the same error as you:

ERROR: SHP0003E: An unexpected error occurred. Please try again later. If the 
problem persists, please contact us (visit our Customer Service page for 
contact information).

_
Dave Jousma
Assistant Vice President, Mainframe Engineering david.jou...@53.com
1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI� 49546 MD RSCB2H p 616.653.8429 f 
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Re: VLF caching

2014-11-26 Thread Steve Thompson

On 11/26/2014 11:19 AM, Bob Shannon wrote:
snippage

I tend to agree with the OP. LLA will only check VLF for modules it previously 
cached. Granted there may be some trimming, but I don't ever recall seeing less 
than a 100% hit ratio for LLA. The other VLF exploiters behave differently and 
the SMF statistics for them tend to be helpful. The CSVLLIX1 exit is required 
for accurate LLA fetch statistics.

Bob Shannon
Rocket Software

SNIPPAGE

Wouldn't the LLA hit rate be based on it having the directory 
information as opposed to having to go read it (something about 
FREEZE vs. NOFREEZE ?)?


Then, wouldn't the VLF data be based on an attempt to fetch, when 
it doesn't have it, so that you have a cache miss?


After all, VLF does not start doing caching until there has been 
a module that meets the requirements (what, 5 fetches inside of x 
seconds?).


Then there is a second cache trigger. And that is some number of 
hits on a library with some number of modules already cached, VLF 
then starts caching any module requested...


[Sorry, a bit hazy on the exact numbers -- did not commit them to 
memory.]


And I can see behavior that backs this when manually monitoring 
using MFM.


The exception being when you cross the 90% utilization mark... 
Then trim is forced, so that the now eligible requested module 
can be put into cache. So those modules eligible for trim get 
marked (NOTE, that is MARKED) for deletion. If one of those 
modules gets requested before the delete cycle hits, the delete 
flag is turned off.


More to tuning this sucker than I really wanted to get into. 
Hence my prior comment about a certain ISV and their products 
that pre-date LLA (Library Look Aside, not sure about Link List 
Lookaside) and VLF.


Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: Where is the JESMSGLG described?

2014-11-26 Thread Tony Harminc
On 26 November 2014 at 14:25, Peter Hunkeler p...@gmx.ch wrote:
 And, yes, I'm talking about the first sysout data set in any job; Seen as 
 jeSMSGLG in the DDname column in SDSF.


 By header and footer I mean all the messages in this log that which do *not* 
 have a message identifier.

There can be any number of messages in this log that have no message
identifiers. This log (mostly) captures WTO messages written by the
job in question, and there is no requirement that they all have
message IDs. Are you interested in the meta messages written by JESn
itself? Some of these have a timestamp and the JOBID to the left;
others do not. What are you trying to do?

Tony H.

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AW: Re: Where is the JESMSGLG described?

2014-11-26 Thread Peter Hunkeler
 What are you trying to do?
Just curiosity. Got a hint offline. It's in the JES2 init  tuning guide, 
chapter 2, JES2 System Data Sets. I've been almost there, but then gave up too 
early.

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Re: VLF caching

2014-11-26 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Bob Shannon
Sent: 26 November, 2014 17:20
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: VLF caching

VLF writes SMF 41 records, but they are unusable for LLA.
That is not correct. It is true that LLA does know what it put into the cache 
(as would most VLF exploiters), but (as with all VLF exploiters) it has no 
idea what VLF has taken out due to trimming.

I tend to agree with the OP. LLA will only check VLF for modules it previously 
cached. Granted there may be some trimming, but I don't ever recall seeing less 
than a 100% hit ratio for LLA. The other VLF exploiters behave differently and 
the SMF statistics for them tend to be helpful. The CSVLLIX1 exit is required 
for accurate LLA fetch statistics.

Bob Shannon
Rocket Software



Correct, that is why you also see Deletes in the LLA VLF cache. If LLA has a 
module that qualifies for the cache, it can delete a module that does not 
qualify anymore to make room for the new one. Therefor you will see deletes and 
adds of modules caused by LLA management of the cache, and hardly any trims 
caused by VLF management of the cache.
The other exploiters push 'everything' into the cache and will find out later 
if the object is still there. VLF hitratio and trim statistics are indeed 
useful here.

Kees.

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Re: VLF caching

2014-11-26 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Steve Thompson
Sent: 26 November, 2014 21:08
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: VLF caching

On 11/26/2014 11:19 AM, Bob Shannon wrote:
snippage
 I tend to agree with the OP. LLA will only check VLF for modules it 
 previously cached. Granted there may be some trimming, but I don't ever 
 recall seeing less than a 100% hit ratio for LLA. The other VLF exploiters 
 behave differently and the SMF statistics for them tend to be helpful. The 
 CSVLLIX1 exit is required for accurate LLA fetch statistics.

 Bob Shannon
 Rocket Software
SNIPPAGE

Wouldn't the LLA hit rate be based on it having the directory information as 
opposed to having to go read it (something about FREEZE vs. NOFREEZE ?)?

Then, wouldn't the VLF data be based on an attempt to fetch, when it doesn't 
have it, so that you have a cache miss?

After all, VLF does not start doing caching until there has been a module that 
meets the requirements (what, 5 fetches inside of x seconds?).

Then there is a second cache trigger. And that is some number of hits on a 
library with some number of modules already cached, VLF then starts caching any 
module requested...

[Sorry, a bit hazy on the exact numbers -- did not commit them to memory.]

And I can see behavior that backs this when manually monitoring using MFM.

The exception being when you cross the 90% utilization mark... 
Then trim is forced, so that the now eligible requested module can be put into 
cache. So those modules eligible for trim get marked (NOTE, that is MARKED) for 
deletion. If one of those modules gets requested before the delete cycle 
hits, the delete flag is turned off.

More to tuning this sucker than I really wanted to get into. 
Hence my prior comment about a certain ISV and their products that pre-date LLA 
(Library Look Aside, not sure about Link List
Lookaside) and VLF.

Regards,
Steve Thompson



No, here I read a common misconception about LLA and VLF working.

LLA module caching and directory freeze are separate functions. Directories are 
kept completely in LLA's private storage. Modules are cached in VLF.

LLA fetches only modules from the VLF cache if it knows it is still there, 
hence the 100% VLF hitratio.

VLF does not do caching, VLF exploiters cache objects into the VLF cache (LLA, 
TSO clist, Catalog etc.).
The '5 fetches' algorithme, together with some complex calculations about 
memory use, cache efficiency etc. are done by LLA, to determine if a module is 
going to be staged to VLF.

Kees.


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