Re: Linux

[David Crayford]

On 27/03/2016 3:01 AM, Mike Schwab wrote:

I agree with the C suggestion.
GCC is for Linux at https://gcc.gnu.org/
GCC is for MVS 3.8 - z/OS 2.2 is at http://gccmvs.sourceforge.net/
includes Hercules, MVS 3.8, GCC.



I've been using clang for C/C++ on Linux for the last year and I prefer 
it to gcc. For C++ the diagnostic messages are much better and IMO the 
toolchain is superior.



On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Steve Beaver  wrote:

First of all I am first and foremost an zOS Systems programmer that only
writes in HLASM and REXX as needed.

My goal is to learn Linux and then develop in Linux and then as needed port
it to zSeries box.  That being said,

-   I am going to build a 64 Bit a box with 16 gig of memory and 8 Tb of
Storage and a DVD/RW.  That is the easy
 Part.

Does anyone have any input on which version of Linux to purchase?  I Know
SUSE has an enterprise 64 bit product?

That is the sum and total of my knowledge of Linux.

= = = = = = = = = =

Can anyone suggest an Editor besides VI, and which language to develop in on
a Linux Platform?

Thank you in advance




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Re: IBM z/OS Product Documentation 2016

[Timothy Sipples]

Mike Schwab asked:
>Could these be stored on an OpenMVS file and displayed on a 3270 or
>opened from a connecting device?

I think you meant zFS. The answer is yes, assuming by "connecting device"
you meant any device equipped with a Web browser. That could include an
iPad, for example.

Some of you may have missed it, but z/OS 2.2 includes the IBM Knowledge
Center for z/OS to address many use cases, including the use cases
involving lack of a connection to the public Internet (e.g. disaster
recovery scenarios). The IBM Knowledge Center for z/OS is a standard,
included, supported feature of the base z/OS operating system. I recommend
you enable it.

You will need IBM Softcopy Librarian Version 5.0 or higher (Version 5.1
recommended and current at this writing) to work with the IBM Knowledge
Center for z/OS effectively. IBM Softcopy Librarian is available here:

http://www.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=4=swg27018846

You can configure and run the IBM Knowledge Center for z/OS on any z/OS 2.2
LPAR or z/VM guest, even if you have prior releases of z/OS still running.
You can load your IBM Knowledge Center for z/OS instance(s) with whatever
Knowledge Center documentation collections you wish, now including those
you load from a local or LAN drive in addition to those you load from the
Internet. You can even require RACF (SAF) authentication and authorization,
and log access attempts, to your IBM Knowledge Center for z/OS for whatever
reason(s) you wish. My understanding is you can even add your own local
documentation, annotations, etc. And, perhaps best of all, you can stop
worrying about whether everybody has the current documentation because you
still have your own central but private repository, always as current as
you wish it to be for everybody in your organization.


Timothy Sipples
IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA
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Re: Linux

[Charles Mills]

If porting to z Linux, your only issues are likely to be hardware issues.
Don't assume endian-ness. Avoid unions of ints and chars.

union {
int foo;
char bar[4];
} IamDangerous;

If porting to z/OS, you have the same hardware issues plus the ASCII-EBCDIC
issue plus compiler and library differences. For a start, watch out for
programs that assume 'R'+1 == 'S' or 'A' > 'a' or '1'-48 == 1. But simple,
basic, middle-of-the-road C is completely portable.

#include 
int main(int argc, char* argv[])
{
printf("Hello, world!\n");
}

will compile and run pretty much identically in all three places. Four, if
you count z/OS batch and z/OS UNIX shell as two different places.

Charles

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>>> On 3/26/2016 at 11:59 AM, Steve Beaver  wrote: 
> First of all I am first and foremost an zOS Systems programmer that 
> only writes in HLASM and REXX as needed.
>  
> My goal is to learn Linux and then develop in Linux and then as needed 
> port it to zSeries box.  That being said,

Just to be clear, when you talk about "port it to zSeries" do you mean z/OS,
or Linux running on z?  If the latter, then there won't be much, if any,
porting involved.  If the former, then that raises a whole raft of other
problems/questions.

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Re: Linux

[Mark Post]

>>> On 3/26/2016 at 11:59 AM, Steve Beaver  wrote: 
> First of all I am first and foremost an zOS Systems programmer that only
> writes in HLASM and REXX as needed. 
>  
> My goal is to learn Linux and then develop in Linux and then as needed port
> it to zSeries box.  That being said,

Just to be clear, when you talk about "port it to zSeries" do you mean z/OS, or 
Linux running on z?  If the latter, then there won't be much, if any, porting 
involved.  If the former, then that raises a whole raft of other 
problems/questions.

> - I am going to build a 64 Bit a box with 16 gig of memory and 8 Tb of
> Storage and a DVD/RW.  That is the easy
>   Part.
> 
> Does anyone have any input on which version of Linux to purchase?  I Know
> SUSE has an enterprise 64 bit product?

The answer to this greatly depends on your final target, z/OS or Linux on z.  
If the latter, then you probably want to go with SUSE since that has by far the 
largest share of the market on z as well as the most software certifications, 
etc.  (Yes, I work for SUSE but I try to be objective about things like this.)  
If the answer is z/OS, then as others have pointed out the choice of Linux is 
more of a matter of what your personal goals are regarding learning.  To me, if 
you want to learn Linux, really learn it, then go with Slackware.  You'll have 
little choice but to learn how things work since Patrick Volkerding's approach 
to Slackware is that system administrators don't need or want much hand 
holding.  You'll also find that a large number of people who have lots of 
experience in Linux started out with Slackware early on.

Other questions you need to answer are if you want to buy support for your 
Linux.  That will greatly limit your choices.  If you want something that's 
very easy to use and looks pretty, then various derivatives of Debian such as 
Ubuntu, Mint, etc. are good.  And on and on and on.  The list of things to 
consider can be very large.  The good thing is that you can try a bunch of 
various distributions with no monetary cost, just the time and effort you 
devote to downloading, installing and playing with them.  That's true even for 
Red Hat and SUSE.  The versions you can download are identical to what their 
paying subscribers get.  The difference is in support and maintenance.

Another thing to think about is finding a local Linux Users Group (LUG).  There 
are a lot of them out there and the people you meet there can be a big help.


Mark Post

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Re: Linux

[Tom Marchant]

On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 14:01:06 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote:

>I agree with the C suggestion.
>GCC is for Linux at https://gcc.gnu.org/

I think that you'll find that gcc is available with any distro. All of the 
distros have 
an associated software repository with  a large selection of optional software.

Your selection of languages may be limited more by what is available on MVS, 
since that seems to be the eventual target of your development.

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Re: Linux

[Michel Beaulieu]

Steve, 

Since the goal is to eventually port to zSeries, which compilers is available 
is important. 
In my experience, Not every z/OS shop have C compilers or applications. 

I believe that learning to develop with Eclipse  ( eclipse.org) 
would be a great asset. You can use eclipse to develop Java, C & C++, and many 
more languages.
Java is a safe bet, specially if you want to get into multi-thread 
applications. 
 
Likely overtime, you will need a source code management system, look into GIT.

As for Linux flavor, I consider three branches: 
a) the Suse family: OpenSuse is the no charge version
b) the RedHat family: Centos and Fedora are the free development versions
c) Ubuntu and Debian and some others. 

Consider installing REXX on your Linux machine. 
You may also look into  The Hessling Editor (THE) for a text editor.

My suggestions in a nutshell:
Linux Fedora (or Centos), eclipse, REXX, THE, develop in Java and C++. 

I hope this helps!

Michel Beaulieu
IBM Canada Strategic Outsourcing
/* The opinions expressed here are my own and do not engage my employer in any 
way */


> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 10:59:40 -0500
> From: st...@stevebeaver.com
> Subject: Linux
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> 
> First of all I am first and foremost an zOS Systems programmer that only
> writes in HLASM and REXX as needed. 
>  
> My goal is to learn Linux and then develop in Linux and then as needed port
> it to zSeries box.  That being said,
> 
> - I am going to build a 64 Bit a box with 16 gig of memory and 8 Tb of
> Storage and a DVD/RW.  That is the easy
>   Part.
> 
> Does anyone have any input on which version of Linux to purchase?  I Know
> SUSE has an enterprise 64 bit product?
> 
> That is the sum and total of my knowledge of Linux.
> 
> = = = = = = = = = = 
> 
> Can anyone suggest an Editor besides VI, and which language to develop in on
> a Linux Platform?
> 
> Thank you in advance 
> 
> 
>  
> 
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Re: Linux

[Mike Schwab]

I agree with the C suggestion.
GCC is for Linux at https://gcc.gnu.org/
GCC is for MVS 3.8 - z/OS 2.2 is at http://gccmvs.sourceforge.net/
includes Hercules, MVS 3.8, GCC.


On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Steve Beaver  wrote:
> First of all I am first and foremost an zOS Systems programmer that only
> writes in HLASM and REXX as needed.
>
> My goal is to learn Linux and then develop in Linux and then as needed port
> it to zSeries box.  That being said,
>
> -   I am going to build a 64 Bit a box with 16 gig of memory and 8 Tb of
> Storage and a DVD/RW.  That is the easy
> Part.
>
> Does anyone have any input on which version of Linux to purchase?  I Know
> SUSE has an enterprise 64 bit product?
>
> That is the sum and total of my knowledge of Linux.
>
> = = = = = = = = = =
>
> Can anyone suggest an Editor besides VI, and which language to develop in on
> a Linux Platform?
>
> Thank you in advance
>
>
>
>
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Re: Linux

[Tom Brennan]

Starting footnotes with [0] ?
Sure sign of a C programmer :)

Tomasz Rola wrote:


As of which Linux, I guess you should choose the one that has
documentation and tutorials on their homepage. I am long time Debian
[0] user [1] but I have no idea if this would be the best choice for
you. Sometimes it was not so easy to solve problems, but overally, I
was only few times stuck, never frustrated. Given that you can learn,
you can learn and see which one is best for you.


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Re: Linux

[Tom Brennan]

Thanks Charles, that's exactly what I meant.

Charles Mills wrote:

Don't purchase Linux



@Steve, you get the distinction there? Linux is free -- you never purchase
it. What you can purchase is support, particular distribution formats,
add-ons, etc. Tom is saying that if you were running enterprise production
you would want support, but for home use you need not purchase anything. You
can use Google for your "support."

Charles

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Don't purchase Linux for your own use - you'll find answers to issues using
Google.  At least that's been my experience.

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Re: Linux

[Tom Marchant]

On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 10:59:40 -0500, Steve Beaver wrote:

>First of all I am first and foremost an zOS Systems programmer that only
>writes in HLASM and REXX as needed.
>
>My goal is to learn Linux and then develop in Linux and then as needed port
>it to zSeries box.  That being said,

First of all, it is GNU/Linux. That is, it is the GNU operating system with a 
Linux 
kernel. See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html
It is a distinction that many ignore and many others are tired of hearing, but 
the 
fact is that without the work that was done on the GNU operating system 
starting 
in 1984, seven years before Linus Torvalds began work on the Linux kernel, 
there 
would be no "Linux system".

Indeed, in early posts from Linus about his project, he wrote about including 
bash 
and gcc, both developed as part of the GNU project. In a follow-up, he wrote 
about 
including the GNU utilities. So even he acknowledged the contribution of the 
GNU 
project at that time.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.os.minix/dlNtH7RRrGA/SwRavCzVE7gJ

>-  I am going to build a 64 Bit a box with 16 gig of memory and 8 Tb of
>Storage and a DVD/RW.  That is the easy
>Part.

I would caution you that some hardware requires proprietary drivers. Some 
hardware is difficult to support with GNU/Linux. For example, you will have 
trouble with nVidia graphics cards and many wi-fi chipsets. 
https://www.h-node.org/ has lists of compatible hardware. 

>Does anyone have any input on which version of Linux to purchase?  I Know
>SUSE has an enterprise 64 bit product?

Purchase? Most distributions, or "distros" are available for download at no 
cost. 
There are many. I don't know how complete the list is that is at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions

If you want to pay for support, that is another question, for which I don't 
have an 
answer.

What are your goals? Do you want the kind of freedom that is described in
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html ?
Or do you want a system that looks and behaves as much like Windows as 
possible? Playing DVDs and using Flash are two things that require proprietary 
software, and are not available on completely libre distros. 

Many proponents of free software like to use the word "Libre" to distinguish it 
from "gratis", meaning without monetary cost. The English language has only 
one word for both of these meanings. There is a slogan: Think of free speech, 
not free beer.

My son is a strong proponent of libre software and uses Trisquel. At the 
opposite 
end of the spectrum are distros like Linux Mint, which includes Flash and the 
codecs required to play DVDs, as well as other proprietary drivers.

There is a list of libre distros at http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html

I usually use Fedora, and have been for about 10 years. They make it relatively 
easy for a novice to download and create a DVD or flash drive to boot from. 
Having booted either, you can install it to your hard drive. There are tools to 
partition your hard drive, and you can set your system up so that you can 
choose 
which partition to boot from each time. I like to set my systems up with a 
partition 
for the /home directory that is mounted on whichever root I boot. In Linux, 
/home 
is the equivalent of /u on z/OS Unix.

I also like to create a /service directory where I can mount my other root 
partitions. 
It's something that I learned from working with z/OS Unix.

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Re: Linux

[Tomasz Rola]

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:59:40AM -0500, Steve Beaver wrote:
> First of all I am first and foremost an zOS Systems programmer that only
> writes in HLASM and REXX as needed. 
>  
> My goal is to learn Linux and then develop in Linux and then as needed port
> it to zSeries box.  That being said,
> 
> - I am going to build a 64 Bit a box with 16 gig of memory and 8 Tb of
> Storage and a DVD/RW.  That is the easy
>   Part.

This much? I think that for merely learning to program in some UNIX
flavour you could get away with 1gig and text console. With more
memory (I have 12g right now) one can easily run few virtual machines
with fully blown production environments (OS + web server + small size
database + editors + compilers etc). Of course browser will easily eat
2 gigs of ram, and it is not going to change for the better so I guess
16 will make your computer better suited for meeting future demands of
desktop environments.

> Does anyone have any input on which version of Linux to purchase?  I Know
> SUSE has an enterprise 64 bit product?

Um, do you have to purchase it, really? They should be freely
available for download, too. I am not sure about RedHat and its
cousins, however. It was long long ago last time I looked that way. I
guess Suse is downloadable.

> That is the sum and total of my knowledge of Linux.

I recommend some books about "programming in UNIX" if you want to
learn C. I guess it does not really matter which one, because at one
point it becomes obvious there is plenty of documentation available
both hanging on the net and as ready to install packages for your
Linux of choice. So you can catch up with the basics of UNIX and then
proceed to Linux specifics. You can also program in any language
which can be had both on Linux and Z, like perhaps Perl or Python (and
certainly Java belongs to both worlds and more - but Java's future
seems a little bit uncertain to me).

> Can anyone suggest an Editor besides VI, and which language to develop in on
> a Linux Platform?

Many people claim emacs is The Ultimate Editor Only One We Ever Need
and I think there is much truth in this. Still, I use vi (vim - very
modern and nice vi descendant) whenever situation makes it more useful
or for quick edits of small files. While emacs is much better for
those long nightly coding sessions. Just MHO.

Overally, your questions are a bit hard to answer. "Editor" for
example, has been a word overloaded with meanings. There might be an
editor in a classic sense, like vi or emacs. And there might be an
IDE, which is like a factory with editor inside, but many people call
it editor, too. Myself, I would rather avoid IDEs and languages which
make use of IDE obligatory (because the structure/design of such
language is such that one cannot do much if anything by merely editing
files - for examples, see Visual Basic, which probably cannot be used
without specialised IDE at all).

I guess the choice of programming language will thus dictate the
choice of "editor". So perhaps you should specify this before going
further.

As of which Linux, I guess you should choose the one that has
documentation and tutorials on their homepage. I am long time Debian
[0] user [1] but I have no idea if this would be the best choice for
you. Sometimes it was not so easy to solve problems, but overally, I
was only few times stuck, never frustrated. Given that you can learn,
you can learn and see which one is best for you.

[0] As far as internet is concerned, there are two major families of
Linux distros - one descends from Red Hat (Suse belongs here) and the
other descends from Debian (Ubuntu belongs here). Plus few other
distros with strong entrenched following, like Slackware (I was there,
too) or Gentoo.

[1] I am not sure what to think about current direction of Linux
evolution, so I keep looking at FreeBSD. They too have some tutorials
and whatever one learns on one OS should somehow transfer to another
(not 1 to 1 but maybe 1 to 0.75). But as you want to stay connected to
z world, I am not sure if FBSD is good idea in your case. It all
depends on what exactly you want to do, because majority of tools are
available on both OSes, or so I believe. I understand that with Linux
one has to display a lot of "do it yourself" attitude, but with
FreeBSD even more so (which does not frighten me at all).

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Re: Linux

[Charles Mills]

> Don't purchase Linux

@Steve, you get the distinction there? Linux is free -- you never purchase
it. What you can purchase is support, particular distribution formats,
add-ons, etc. Tom is saying that if you were running enterprise production
you would want support, but for home use you need not purchase anything. You
can use Google for your "support."

Charles

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Don't purchase Linux for your own use - you'll find answers to issues using
Google.  At least that's been my experience.

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Re: Linux

[Tom Brennan]

Don't purchase Linux for your own use - you'll find answers to issues 
using Google.  At least that's been my experience.


If you haven't worked with Linux at all, I'd actually recommend 
something I bought recently, the Raspberry Pi 3 - CanaKit from Amazon 
for $79 comes with everything you need to get started.  I run their 
Raspian (Debian) distribution as recommended, but at this point any 
Linux will get you going - they are so much alike.  This can help you 
learn some of the basics such as how to install software using apt-get 
or yum, maybe get a web server going, and maybe figure out how to work 
with iptables (firewall) and other OS-related things.


Although the Raspian install comes with a GUI, I never use it. I tend to 
be very command-line oriented so the Pi runs as a server and I SSH to it 
 from my Windows PC using the free PuTTY SSH client.


On Linux you'll most likely be using C.  If you're familiar with ASM and 
REXX, you'll like it.  It's really easy to work with once you get the 
hang of it.  Plus, I tell my kids to learn C if they want to do any 
programming in the future, since things like javascript and php (and a 
zillion others) are all based on C.


So instead of using a GUI/IDE (at least at first) I'd recommend 
compiling using gcc (compiler), make (tells the compiler/linkeditor what 
to do), and gdb (debugger), all which run from the command line. 
Editing is often a pain via SSH (vi or whatever), so I edit files on the 
Pi by setting up Samba, which makes directories and files available as a 
Windows network drive.  It's all quite amazing and not difficult to set 
up.  If you head that direction and need help let me know and I'll try 
to find my month-old notes.


So I edit using MS Visual Studio on my PC, saving files to disk P: which 
is mapped to the Pi, then switch to an SSH session on my PC and use 
"make" to compile and gdb to debug.  And since all these things are 
probably available on z/Linux, I would bet there will be little or no 
difference when you try to compile and run your new code there.


For Hercules on my x86 box (not Pi which runs ARM) I use CentOS which is 
a free Redhat clone.  That was my first home Linux distribution and I 
still like it after many years.


Steve Beaver wrote:

First of all I am first and foremost an zOS Systems programmer that only
writes in HLASM and REXX as needed. 
 
My goal is to learn Linux and then develop in Linux and then as needed port

it to zSeries box.  That being said,

-   I am going to build a 64 Bit a box with 16 gig of memory and 8 Tb of
Storage and a DVD/RW.  That is the easy
Part.

Does anyone have any input on which version of Linux to purchase?  I Know
SUSE has an enterprise 64 bit product?

That is the sum and total of my knowledge of Linux.

= = = = = = = = = = 


Can anyone suggest an Editor besides VI, and which language to develop in on
a Linux Platform?

Thank you in advance 



 


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Re: SMP/E split screen in z/OS 2.1

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

I installed and tested UO01807 . It fixed the problem. 

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Fixing PTF UO01807 is available today. Final APAR text also explains why you 
get 'Welcome to SMP/E' the first time you try split screen. Same cause as empty 
CSI list.


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IO24370 has closed PER. PTFs forthcoming. 



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IBM has taken APAR IO24370 for this problem. 




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I've conjured up an init Rexx that more or less handles the file allocations. 
However both Tom Conley and I independently uncovered an actual (APARable) 
problem with the candidate CSI list on the second (split) screen, which is 
displayed if the CSI name is blank. I've submitted an SR at Kurt's suggestion. 
More to follow. 




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Subject: (External):Re: SMP/E split screen in z/OS 2.1

On 3/8/2016 3:54 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
> I'm finally in a position to explore SMP/E split screen in z/OS 2.1. 
> 'Forever' I've had an exec that allocates SMP/E libraries, does LIBDEFs, 
> ALTLIB, etc., then undoes all that on the way out. The same initialization 
> exec won't work in split screen mode because of files that are already 
> allocated and/or open in the original screen. I got around initialization 
> with some changes, but I still get nastygrams if I try to exit the dialog in 
> the same order. That is, close the first screen, then the second.
>
> I poked around the interweb but do not find any clear example of how to make 
> this work. Am I missing something obvious?
>


Skip,

You'll just have to use REUSE on SMPTLIB and leave it allocated.  I have had a 
hard time solving this one.

Regards,
Tom Conley

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Re: Documentation availability was Re: EXTERNAL: Re: IBM z/OS Product Documentation 2016

[Ed Gould]

On Mar 26, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Clark Morris wrote:


[Default] On 25 Mar 2016 12:34:59 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
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wrote:

Unfortunately, I have encountered the inability to access  
Knowledge Center on more than one occasion. Usually it was  
scheduled maintenance windows, but I expect the manuals to be  
available whenever I have an outage (sometimes caused by planned  
weekend and/or late-night maintenance) and want to research how to  
fix it.


I would rather have the manuals not available due to IBM  
maintenance when I typically look at them, during the day, than  
during the night-time implementations that I am called to fix.

Hasn't IBM heard about 100 percent availability.  I'm 99 percent
certain Microsoft's knowledge base has it.

Clark Morris


Clark,

There always seems like something else you can look at as to cause of  
unavailability like network outages and/or upgrades to servers  etc  
which I am sure that MS doesn't factor in. I am not defending MS just  
a little realistic. I have been caught by most of the buts and that  
is why I demand some hardcopy of manuals. Nothing ever goes as  
planned with the server/network people. They are used to it and  
always say its no big thing but it is when you need it (badly).


Ed

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Re: EXTERNAL: Re: IBM z/OS Product Documentation 2016

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

In a SHARE session a while back, customers in the room made the same point 
about ServiceLink in general. We need SIS and SR most during an outage. Ours 
that is. These apps are more critical at 2 AM than 2PM, more critical on a 
weekend than mid-week. IBM seemed sympathetic to this view, but I don't see 
that anything has changed. Realistically of course, IBM is a global enterprise. 
Just as it's always thank-god 5 PM somewhere (clink), it's always midnight 
somewhere. Still, it's never simultaneously Sunday and Wednesday on the planet 
earth. (Mars not yet supported.)

.
.
.
J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler 
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
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626-302-7535 Office
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Subject: (External):Re: EXTERNAL: Re: IBM z/OS Product Documentation 2016

Unfortunately, I have encountered the inability to access Knowledge Center on 
more than one occasion. Usually it was scheduled maintenance windows, but I 
expect the manuals to be available whenever I have an outage (sometimes caused 
by planned weekend and/or late-night maintenance) and want to research how to 
fix it.

I would rather have the manuals not available due to IBM maintenance when I 
typically look at them, during the day, than during the night-time 
implementations that I am called to fix.

Jonathan Eosze

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Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: IBM z/OS Product Documentation 2016

On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 09:02:25 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote:

>I recently discovered there are pdf manuals for Omegamon 5.1 but none 
>for the latest release 5.3.  I hope IBM isn't planning on getting rid 
>of pdf manuals in favor of that web thing that I cannot use as effectively.
> 
OTOH, I can get to "that web thing" anyplace, anytime.  On the Gripping Hand, I 
have the (now outdated) PDFs on a flash drive in my pocket.
(Need to see how well Spotlight indexes them.)  Search on PUBLIBZ was 
magnificent but IBM may have grown weary of giving me free CPU cycles.

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Documentation availability was Re: EXTERNAL: Re: IBM z/OS Product Documentation 2016

[Clark Morris]

[Default] On 25 Mar 2016 12:34:59 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
00e2883cf878-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Eosze, Jonathan L.)
wrote:

>Unfortunately, I have encountered the inability to access Knowledge Center on 
>more than one occasion. Usually it was scheduled maintenance windows, but I 
>expect the manuals to be available whenever I have an outage (sometimes caused 
>by planned weekend and/or late-night maintenance) and want to research how to 
>fix it.
>
>I would rather have the manuals not available due to IBM maintenance when I 
>typically look at them, during the day, than during the night-time 
>implementations that I am called to fix.
Hasn't IBM heard about 100 percent availability.  I'm 99 percent
certain Microsoft's knowledge base has it.

Clark Morris
>
>Jonathan Eosze
>
>-Original Message-
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>Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
>Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 11:29 AM
>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: IBM z/OS Product Documentation 2016
>
>On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 09:02:25 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote:
>
>>I recently discovered there are pdf manuals for Omegamon 5.1 but none
>>for the latest release 5.3.  I hope IBM isn't planning on getting rid of
>>pdf manuals in favor of that web thing that I cannot use as effectively.
>> 
>OTOH, I can get to "that web thing" anyplace, anytime.  On the Gripping
>Hand, I have the (now outdated) PDFs on a flash drive in my pocket.
>(Need to see how well Spotlight indexes them.)  Search on PUBLIBZ was
>magnificent but IBM may have grown weary of giving me free CPU cycles.
>
>-- gil
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Re: Linux

[Scott Ford]

There are a lot of IDEs and gnu is like a standard

On Saturday, March 26, 2016, Scott Ford  wrote:

> Steve,
>
> Depends on what you want to develop in..
>
> On Saturday, March 26, 2016, Steve Beaver  > wrote:
>
>> What about a compiler/binder ?
>>
>> And is there a Linux tutorial/course to get to speed before attaching
>> writing code?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> Behalf Of Ed Jaffe
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>> Subject: Re: Linux
>>
>> On 3/26/2016 8:59 AM, Steve Beaver wrote:
>> > Does anyone have any input on which version of Linux to purchase?  I
>> > Know SUSE has an enterprise 64 bit product?
>>
>> Most IBMers tend to recommend SUSE because of their responsiveness, but
>> we have been running Red Hat Enterprise Linux for years on our z Systems
>> and are *extremely* happy with it.
>>
>> --
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Re: Linux

[Scott Ford]

Steve,

Depends on what you want to develop in..

On Saturday, March 26, 2016, Steve Beaver  wrote:

> What about a compiler/binder ?
>
> And is there a Linux tutorial/course to get to speed before attaching
> writing code?
>
> Steve
>
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> Subject: Re: Linux
>
> On 3/26/2016 8:59 AM, Steve Beaver wrote:
> > Does anyone have any input on which version of Linux to purchase?  I
> > Know SUSE has an enterprise 64 bit product?
>
> Most IBMers tend to recommend SUSE because of their responsiveness, but we
> have been running Red Hat Enterprise Linux for years on our z Systems and
> are *extremely* happy with it.
>
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Re: Linux

[Steve Beaver]

What about a compiler/binder ?

And is there a Linux tutorial/course to get to speed before attaching writing 
code?

Steve

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On 3/26/2016 8:59 AM, Steve Beaver wrote:
> Does anyone have any input on which version of Linux to purchase?  I 
> Know SUSE has an enterprise 64 bit product?

Most IBMers tend to recommend SUSE because of their responsiveness, but we have 
been running Red Hat Enterprise Linux for years on our z Systems and are 
*extremely* happy with it.

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Re: Linux

[Scott Ford]

Ed,

I liked it alsovery happy with it, had older versions 6.2 etc..


Scott

On Saturday, March 26, 2016, Ed Jaffe  wrote:

> On 3/26/2016 8:59 AM, Steve Beaver wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have any input on which version of Linux to purchase?  I Know
>> SUSE has an enterprise 64 bit product?
>>
>
> Most IBMers tend to recommend SUSE because of their responsiveness, but we
> have been running Red Hat Enterprise Linux for years on our z Systems and
> are *extremely* happy with it.
>
> --
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> Phoenix Software International, Inc
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> El Segundo, CA 90245
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Re: Linux

[Ed Jaffe]

On 3/26/2016 8:59 AM, Steve Beaver wrote:

Does anyone have any input on which version of Linux to purchase?  I Know
SUSE has an enterprise 64 bit product?


Most IBMers tend to recommend SUSE because of their responsiveness, but 
we have been running Red Hat Enterprise Linux for years on our z Systems 
and are *extremely* happy with it.


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Re: Linux

[Scott Ford]

Steve,

You can use gedit on Gnome and kernite on KDE

On Saturday, March 26, 2016, Scott Ford  wrote:

> Steve,
>
> I have build boxes using OpenSUSE , Fedora , Redhat because of Hercules.
> Any of the distros above were easy to learn and I like Gnome or KDE.
> I have OpenSUSE 13.1 with Open Object Rexx ...
>
> Scott
>
> On Saturday, March 26, 2016, Steve Beaver  > wrote:
>
>> First of all I am first and foremost an zOS Systems programmer that only
>> writes in HLASM and REXX as needed.
>>
>> My goal is to learn Linux and then develop in Linux and then as needed
>> port
>> it to zSeries box.  That being said,
>>
>> -   I am going to build a 64 Bit a box with 16 gig of memory and 8 Tb
>> of
>> Storage and a DVD/RW.  That is the easy
>> Part.
>>
>> Does anyone have any input on which version of Linux to purchase?  I Know
>> SUSE has an enterprise 64 bit product?
>>
>> That is the sum and total of my knowledge of Linux.
>>
>> = = = = = = = = = =
>>
>> Can anyone suggest an Editor besides VI, and which language to develop in
>> on
>> a Linux Platform?
>>
>> Thank you in advance
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Linux

[Scott Ford]

Steve,

I have build boxes using OpenSUSE , Fedora , Redhat because of Hercules.
Any of the distros above were easy to learn and I like Gnome or KDE.
I have OpenSUSE 13.1 with Open Object Rexx ...

Scott

On Saturday, March 26, 2016, Steve Beaver  wrote:

> First of all I am first and foremost an zOS Systems programmer that only
> writes in HLASM and REXX as needed.
>
> My goal is to learn Linux and then develop in Linux and then as needed port
> it to zSeries box.  That being said,
>
> -   I am going to build a 64 Bit a box with 16 gig of memory and 8 Tb
> of
> Storage and a DVD/RW.  That is the easy
> Part.
>
> Does anyone have any input on which version of Linux to purchase?  I Know
> SUSE has an enterprise 64 bit product?
>
> That is the sum and total of my knowledge of Linux.
>
> = = = = = = = = = =
>
> Can anyone suggest an Editor besides VI, and which language to develop in
> on
> a Linux Platform?
>
> Thank you in advance
>
>
>
>
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Linux

[Steve Beaver]

First of all I am first and foremost an zOS Systems programmer that only
writes in HLASM and REXX as needed. 
 
My goal is to learn Linux and then develop in Linux and then as needed port
it to zSeries box.  That being said,

-   I am going to build a 64 Bit a box with 16 gig of memory and 8 Tb of
Storage and a DVD/RW.  That is the easy
Part.

Does anyone have any input on which version of Linux to purchase?  I Know
SUSE has an enterprise 64 bit product?

That is the sum and total of my knowledge of Linux.

= = = = = = = = = = 

Can anyone suggest an Editor besides VI, and which language to develop in on
a Linux Platform?

Thank you in advance 


 

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Re: Binder SIZE Option

[Ed Gould]

Sorry,
I was comparing 5 minutes (standard options) to 1.5 minutes with  
large (size=2000K,1000K).
I tend to look at negativity as best option with IBM products because  
I have been disappointed so much.

Ed


On Mar 26, 2016, at 8:16 AM, Charles Mills wrote:


200 percent improvement


If a job formerly took five minutes, then I guess a 100%  
improvement in
performance would get it to zero minutes. Does a 200% improvement  
mean it

finishes five minutes before it starts?

Charles

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Gil,

In years past size= made a wonderful difference in performance. I  
had seen

200 percent improvement.

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Re: Binder SIZE Option

[Peter Relson]

>Is SIZE simply ignored by Binder?  Or has it any effect, 
>possibly beneficial or harmful?

Not being hindered by knowledge, I can make a guess:

The binder does pay attention to SIZE. It could not get more storage than 
your region size in any case, so SIZE really could only lessen the amount 
of storage available.
Why you'd want to lessen that amount, I have no idea.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design


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Re: Binder SIZE Option

[Charles Mills]

> 200 percent improvement

If a job formerly took five minutes, then I guess a 100% improvement in
performance would get it to zero minutes. Does a 200% improvement mean it
finishes five minutes before it starts?

Charles

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Gil,

In years past size= made a wonderful difference in performance. I had seen
200 percent improvement.

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