AW: Re: RFE to add new sizes to AVGREC and IDCAMS Define

[Peter Hunkeler]

>I'd be happier with dispensing with AVGREC entirely and being allowed to code:
SPACE=(1,(1M,1000K))  * SI (decimal) prefixes, please.




Ohh, no. Please not another new syntax. The 
Early-morning-after-heavy-New-Years-Eve-party design of AVGREC is stupid enough.


The first subparameter of SPACE= specifies the *unit*: number of bytes (aka 
block), tracks (TRK), or cylinders (CYL). I will never understand how IBM could 
think AVGREC is the way to go.


Why not just add KB, MB, GB, TB, ... to TRK and CYL as space unit 
specification? SPACE=(GB,(1,3)) gives you 1GB primary and 3GB secondary. Simple 
to understand and remember.


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Re: Specifying JES2 initialization parameters

[Field, Alan]

I didn't  notice anyone advocating this option. I have used this in the past to 
tailor HASJES2 for a specific lpar. Add this to the common HASJES2 member to 
pick up the system specific options. 

Make a null member for any  that doesn't need anything extra.

Alan 

 // 
 
/**  SYSTEM SPECIFIC PARMS  */  
//  
INCLUDE PARMLIB_MEMBER=HAS 

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Subject: Specifying JES2 initialization parameters

I need to specify some JES2 NJE-related parameters differently for each member. 
JES2 PARMLIB is shared. Parameters that I need for one member do not work for 
others. I would like to use one common set of parms plus a set of parms for the 
one member that actually engages in NJE. I find this in Init and Tuning Guide:

"Initialization statements can be specified by the input source in any order. 
Parameters can also be specified in any order. When a statement or parameter is 
specified, that value is used until that statement or parameter is specified 
again. That is, if the same parameter occurs more than once or if the same 
parameter occurs more than once for a statement, JES2 will use the value of the 
last one it reads."

What I want to do is define for example NJEDEF for all members with common 
parameters, then add CONNECT=YES just for one member. Will this work in 
concatenation?

For all members:

NJEDEF   
JRNUM=2,JTNUM=2,SRNUM=5,STNUM=5,PATH=8,LINENUM=15,NODENUM=311,OWNNODE=27,MAILMSG=YES

For NJE member only:

NJEDEF   CONNECT=YES

P.S. I know this should go to JES2-L, but I can't get subscribed there.

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Re: SHARE Atlanta proceedings

[Mark Post]

>>> On 8/11/2016 at 07:08 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson  wrote: 
> Rather than shipping a physical DVD, SHARE will prepare a downloadable ISO 
> image containing Atlanta proceedings. Stay tuned for drop date. 

Hmm. I suggested that almost 10 years ago.  Did you hear anything about San 
Antonio?


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COBOL Unbounded Loops: A Diatribe On Their Omission From the COBOL Standard (and a Plea for Understanding)

[Frank Swarbrick]

Because I apparently have nothing better to do I have written a probably too 
long document detailing why I believe that Enterprise COBOL should support an 
extension to COBOL to support a native syntax for unbounded loops.  See my 
document attached to the follow COBOL Cafe Forum post:


https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/forums/html/topic?id=8cb11f10-03c9-4b82-9123-ba5ebc2240ff=25

Compiler Cafe:COBOL Cafe:COBOL Unbounded Loops: A Diatribe On Their Omission 
From the COBOL Standard (and a Plea for Understanding) - COBOL Cafe Forum 

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Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Specifying JES2 initialization parameters

[Edward Gould]

> On Aug 11, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Jerry Whitteridge 
>  wrote:
> 
> We do something a little similar using:
> 
> //JES2PROC MEMBER=JES2,NJEMBR=JES2NJE,ALTMEM=JES2EXPR,
> 
> 
> and
> 
> 
> //HASPPARM DD DSN=SYS1.PARMLIB(),DISP=SHR
> // DD DSN=SYS1.PARMLIB(),DISP=SHR
> 
> It's not exactly what you're are looking for - but allows a common JES2 deck, 
> and then were needed we have the system specific members (everything that is 
> "Common" is in the NJEMBR and only where things differ per system is in the 
> JES2 member)
> 
——SNIP—
We just put in the NJE definitions into the same member and shared it across 
two systems. We had several hundred NJE definitions and we had no issues 
although the vast majority of the connections were active on one system. We did 
have active on each system a definition to our “sister” location and two 
Transmitters and two receivers  on a shared spool. We sent thousands of jobs on 
each shift (its been 30 years so I don’t remember precise #’s). It worked quite 
well and if my sources are still there I can get better numbers for you.

Ed

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Re: SHARE Atlanta proceedings

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

Rather than shipping a physical DVD, SHARE will prepare a downloadable ISO 
image containing Atlanta proceedings. Stay tuned for drop date. 

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Of Mark Post
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:46 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: SHARE Atlanta proceedings

>>> On 8/11/2016 at 02:04 PM, Art Gutowski  wrote: 
> As an offshoot of the original question, has anyone, or has everyone 
> received their SHARE San Antonio DVD?  Isn't this still included with 
> a full conference registration? (ISTR reading words to that effect 
> when I
> registered...)  The last proceedings DVD I see available for purchase 
> on the SHARE site is for Orlando, Summer 2015, so maybe they just 
> haven't finished it yet?  Or did they just stop altogether?

I received the Orlando one just before San Antonio.  That seems to be the 
pattern of late, but I don't have San Antonio's yet either.


Mark Post

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Re: Specifying JES2 initialization parameters

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

I experimented and concluded that concatenation indeed works the way I hoped. A 
second occurrence of an NJE-related parameter overrides the original/default. 
So I end up with these lines for the NJE member:

NJEDEF   CONNECT=(YES,5)
LOGON(1) RESTART=YES
NODE(3)  LINE=96,CONNECT=YES  
LINE(96) RESTART=YES  

The non-NJE members do not see these parameters.   

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SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
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Of Jerry Whitteridge
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 12:32 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Specifying JES2 initialization parameters

We do something a little similar using:

//JES2PROC MEMBER=JES2,NJEMBR=JES2NJE,ALTMEM=JES2EXPR,


and


//HASPPARM DD DSN=SYS1.PARMLIB(),DISP=SHR
// DD DSN=SYS1.PARMLIB(),DISP=SHR

It's not exactly what you're are looking for - but allows a common JES2 deck, 
and then were needed we have the system specific members (everything that is 
"Common" is in the NJEMBR and only where things differ per system is in the 
JES2 member)

Jerry Whitteridge
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Of Jesse 1 Robinson
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 12:07 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: Specifying JES2 initialization parameters

My question is whether a parameter like NJEDEF can be specified more than once 
with different keywords such that JES2 honors the 'sum' of the keywords 
encountered.

.
.
.
J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
323-715-0595 Mobile
626-302-7535 Office
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Of John McKown
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:22 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: Specifying JES2 initialization parameters

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson 
wrote:

> I need to specify some JES2 NJE-related parameters differently for 
> each member. JES2 PARMLIB is shared. Parameters that I need for one 
> member do not work for others. I would like to use one common set of 
> parms plus a set of parms for the one member that actually engages in 
> NJE. I find this in Init and Tuning Guide:
>
> "Initialization statements can be specified by the input source in any 
> order. Parameters can also be specified in any order. When a statement 
> or parameter is specified, that value is used until that statement or 
> parameter is specified again. That is, if the same parameter occurs 
> more than once or if the same parameter occurs more than once for a 
> statement,
> JES2 will use the value of the last one it reads."
>
> What I want to do is define for example NJEDEF for all members with 
> common parameters, then add CONNECT=YES just for one member. Will this 
> work in concatenation?
>
> For all members:
>
> NJEDEF   JRNUM=2,JTNUM=2,SRNUM=5,STNUM=5,PATH=8,LINENUM=15,NODENUM=
> 311,OWNNODE=27,MAILMSG=YES
>
> For NJE member only:
>
> NJEDEF   CONNECT=YES
>
> P.S. I know this should go to JES2-L, but I can't get subscribed there.
>
> .
> .
> .
> J.O.Skip Robinson
>

​I use the JES2 INCLUDE directive.
ref:
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.hasa400/include.htm

Example, in SYS1.PARMLIB(JES2PARM)

* COMMON JES2 PARAMETERS
INCLUDE​

​MEMBER=JES2​ * INCLUDE SYSTEM SPECIFIC PARMS

Example in book:
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.hasa400/has2u60025.htm



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High CPU in JES2 at z/OS 2.2 OA50777

[Craig Bakken]

We experience 2 to 3 times additional CPU usage by the JES2 address when 
converting to z/OS 2.2.  The fix for OA50777 brought the CPU usage back inline 
with what we were seeing at z/OS 2.1.  This is a 2 part fix and also requires 
the RSM fix OA50806.  Kudos to IBM for responding quickly when we reported the 
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Re: RFE to add new sizes to AVGREC and IDCAMS Define

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 13:42:28 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote:

>How about exponential values (#E##) instead of a letter meaning
>1E3, 1E6, 1E9, etc.
>
Where the base of the exponent is 2**(10/3)?  But yes, if the converter
can make it work for REGION, it ought to be able to work for SPACE; no
additional keywords needed.

 What's the etymology of "AVGREC"?

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Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Specifying JES2 initialization parameters

[Jerry Whitteridge]

We do something a little similar using:

//JES2PROC MEMBER=JES2,NJEMBR=JES2NJE,ALTMEM=JES2EXPR,


and


//HASPPARM DD DSN=SYS1.PARMLIB(),DISP=SHR
// DD DSN=SYS1.PARMLIB(),DISP=SHR

It's not exactly what you're are looking for - but allows a common JES2 deck, 
and then were needed we have the system specific members (everything that is 
"Common" is in the NJEMBR and only where things differ per system is in the 
JES2 member)

Jerry Whitteridge
Manager Mainframe Systems & Storage
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Jesse 1 Robinson
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 12:07 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: Specifying JES2 initialization parameters

My question is whether a parameter like NJEDEF can be specified more than once 
with different keywords such that JES2 honors the 'sum' of the keywords 
encountered.

.
.
.
J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
323-715-0595 Mobile
626-302-7535 Office
robin...@sce.com


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of John McKown
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:22 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: Specifying JES2 initialization parameters

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson 
wrote:

> I need to specify some JES2 NJE-related parameters differently for
> each member. JES2 PARMLIB is shared. Parameters that I need for one
> member do not work for others. I would like to use one common set of
> parms plus a set of parms for the one member that actually engages in
> NJE. I find this in Init and Tuning Guide:
>
> "Initialization statements can be specified by the input source in any
> order. Parameters can also be specified in any order. When a statement
> or parameter is specified, that value is used until that statement or
> parameter is specified again. That is, if the same parameter occurs
> more than once or if the same parameter occurs more than once for a
> statement,
> JES2 will use the value of the last one it reads."
>
> What I want to do is define for example NJEDEF for all members with
> common parameters, then add CONNECT=YES just for one member. Will this
> work in concatenation?
>
> For all members:
>
> NJEDEF   JRNUM=2,JTNUM=2,SRNUM=5,STNUM=5,PATH=8,LINENUM=15,NODENUM=
> 311,OWNNODE=27,MAILMSG=YES
>
> For NJE member only:
>
> NJEDEF   CONNECT=YES
>
> P.S. I know this should go to JES2-L, but I can't get subscribed there.
>
> .
> .
> .
> J.O.Skip Robinson
>

​I use the JES2 INCLUDE directive.
ref:
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.hasa400/include.htm

Example, in SYS1.PARMLIB(JES2PARM)

* COMMON JES2 PARAMETERS
INCLUDE​

​MEMBER=JES2​ * INCLUDE SYSTEM SPECIFIC PARMS

Example in book:
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.hasa400/has2u60025.htm



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Re: Specifying JES2 initialization parameters

[Nims,Alva John (Al)]

Stepping back a couple of steps, what if you did a did a PDS (if it is not 
already) of your JES2 PARMS and then use a System Symbol such as  to 
alter which member is used based on the system, so having something like this 
for HASPPARM

//HASPPARM DD UNIT=,VOL=SER=,DISP=SHR,DSN=JES2.PARMLIB()
.
.
.
// DD UNIT=,VOL=SER=,DISP=SHR,DSN=JES2.PARMLIB(NJE)
.
.
.

I know that this would defeat the request to have the same JES2 parm data for 
each system, but I am not sure you can do that.  We have ours split across 9 
different entries, but the "NULL" member is used a couple of times.

Al Nims
Systems Admin/Programmer 3
UFIT
University of Florida
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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 3:07 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Specifying JES2 initialization parameters

My question is whether a parameter like NJEDEF can be specified more than once 
with different keywords such that JES2 honors the 'sum' of the keywords 
encountered. 

.
.
.
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Southern California Edison Company
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SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
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Of John McKown
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:22 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: Specifying JES2 initialization parameters

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson 
wrote:

> I need to specify some JES2 NJE-related parameters differently for 
> each member. JES2 PARMLIB is shared. Parameters that I need for one 
> member do not work for others. I would like to use one common set of 
> parms plus a set of parms for the one member that actually engages in 
> NJE. I find this in Init and Tuning Guide:
>
> "Initialization statements can be specified by the input source in any 
> order. Parameters can also be specified in any order. When a statement 
> or parameter is specified, that value is used until that statement or 
> parameter is specified again. That is, if the same parameter occurs 
> more than once or if the same parameter occurs more than once for a 
> statement,
> JES2 will use the value of the last one it reads."
>
> What I want to do is define for example NJEDEF for all members with 
> common parameters, then add CONNECT=YES just for one member. Will this 
> work in concatenation?
>
> For all members:
>
> NJEDEF   JRNUM=2,JTNUM=2,SRNUM=5,STNUM=5,PATH=8,LINENUM=15,NODENUM=
> 311,OWNNODE=27,MAILMSG=YES
>
> For NJE member only:
>
> NJEDEF   CONNECT=YES
>
> P.S. I know this should go to JES2-L, but I can't get subscribed there.
>
> .
> .
> .
> J.O.Skip Robinson
>

​I use the JES2 INCLUDE directive.
ref:
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.hasa400/include.htm

Example, in SYS1.PARMLIB(JES2PARM)

* COMMON JES2 PARAMETERS
INCLUDE​

​MEMBER=JES2​ * INCLUDE SYSTEM SPECIFIC PARMS

Example in book:
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How does COBOL detect a recursive call?

[Bill Woodger]

Yes, it is documented that a contained/nested program cannot have an ENTRY, 
and, separately that a contained/nested program cannot be used for an LE 
Condition Handler.

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Re: Specifying JES2 initialization parameters

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

My question is whether a parameter like NJEDEF can be specified more than once 
with different keywords such that JES2 honors the 'sum' of the keywords 
encountered. 

.
.
.
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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of John McKown
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:22 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: Specifying JES2 initialization parameters

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson 
wrote:

> I need to specify some JES2 NJE-related parameters differently for 
> each member. JES2 PARMLIB is shared. Parameters that I need for one 
> member do not work for others. I would like to use one common set of 
> parms plus a set of parms for the one member that actually engages in 
> NJE. I find this in Init and Tuning Guide:
>
> "Initialization statements can be specified by the input source in any 
> order. Parameters can also be specified in any order. When a statement 
> or parameter is specified, that value is used until that statement or 
> parameter is specified again. That is, if the same parameter occurs 
> more than once or if the same parameter occurs more than once for a 
> statement,
> JES2 will use the value of the last one it reads."
>
> What I want to do is define for example NJEDEF for all members with 
> common parameters, then add CONNECT=YES just for one member. Will this 
> work in concatenation?
>
> For all members:
>
> NJEDEF   JRNUM=2,JTNUM=2,SRNUM=5,STNUM=5,PATH=8,LINENUM=15,NODENUM=
> 311,OWNNODE=27,MAILMSG=YES
>
> For NJE member only:
>
> NJEDEF   CONNECT=YES
>
> P.S. I know this should go to JES2-L, but I can't get subscribed there.
>
> .
> .
> .
> J.O.Skip Robinson
>

​I use the JES2 INCLUDE directive.
ref:
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.hasa400/include.htm

Example, in SYS1.PARMLIB(JES2PARM)

* COMMON JES2 PARAMETERS
INCLUDE​

​MEMBER=JES2​ * INCLUDE SYSTEM SPECIFIC PARMS

Example in book:
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Re: How does COBOL detect a recursive call?

[Frank Swarbrick]

Firstly, my recommendation was not COBOL nested programs, but rather was two 
individual COBOL programs stored in the same member and compiled in the same 
compile step.


Anyway, I've not tried recently, but I don't believe that you can point an 
ENTRY or procedure-pointer to a nested COBOL subprogram.


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:16 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: How does COBOL detect a recursive call?

John,

Using the COBOL "nested programs" approach (as opposed to an ENTRY) does not 
result in more than one load module / program object, only one.  Any competent 
source management system should handle that setup.  We do that here with no 
issue (though we are not an Endeavor shop).

And the nested program does have access to the main program's WORKING-STORAGE 
items declared as GLOBAL, so they can share data too.

The question is whether or not the LE condition handler actually requires a 
directory entry in the PDS/E for the entry point of the condition handler code. 
 If the "SET procedure-pointer" operation  results in an address acceptable to 
the LE register-condition-handler operation, then there should be no issue at 
all.

Peter

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> Excluding cursing, and including recursing.
>
> Any IT management who chooses that route over
> TwoSimpleProgramsWithNothingButOrdinaryCodeCompile/
> LinkProcessingAndOrdinaryRunTime. is... well, choose your own ending.
>
> Remember, there is Frank's suggestion to have the two programs in one
> source and compile them together, like they have some deep affinity
> just through proximity, that may serve the "do it the way I say" people.
>

Hum, that wouldn't work here. I'm fairly sure the CA-Endevor will barf up its 
lungs if you try to put two source modules, which create two load modules / 
program objects, into a single source member. It wouldn't be able to 1:1 track 
an executable and associated source member.
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Re: SHARE Atlanta proceedings

[Mark Post]

>>> On 8/11/2016 at 02:04 PM, Art Gutowski  wrote: 
> As an offshoot of the original question, has anyone, or has everyone received 
> their SHARE San Antonio DVD?  Isn't this still included with a full 
> conference registration? (ISTR reading words to that effect when I 
> registered...)  The last proceedings DVD I see available for purchase on the 
> SHARE site is for Orlando, Summer 2015, so maybe they just haven't finished 
> it yet?  Or did they just stop altogether?

I received the Orlando one just before San Antonio.  That seems to be the 
pattern of late, but I don't have San Antonio's yet either.


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Re: RFE to add new sizes to AVGREC and IDCAMS Define

[Mike Schwab]

How about exponential values (#E##) instead of a letter meaning
1E3, 1E6, 1E9, etc.

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Tom Brennan  
wrote:
> 640YB ought to be enough for anyone!
>
> Mike Schwab wrote:
>>
>> I can see GB(10,1).  I think TB(10,1) is kind of high for today's
>> capacity.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Paul Gilmartin
>> <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 09:41:06 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote:
>>>
>>>
 If you like this, please vote.  But I think IBM is planning a future
 date for
 this

 http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rfe/execute?use_case=viewRfe

 
 _ID=92670

 Add additional AVGREC sizes to Space definitions in JCL and IDCAMS

 I just got tired of trying to create an AVGREC=M and then having to code
 SPACE=(1,(100,100)) I just wanted to code a smaller number

 And I did ask for everything
 B  (Is that now B or U?)
 KB
 GB
 MB
 TB
 YB
 ZB
 PB

>>>
>>> (in some order)  Quick question:  Exactly how many bytes is one YB?
>>> I'd be happier with dispensing with AVGREC entirely and being allowed
>>> to code:
>>>SPACE=(1,(1M,1000K))  * SI (decimal) prefixes, please.
>>>
>>> What's the etymology of "AVGREC"?
>>>
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Re: Tesco Now Sell zFrame

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Aled Hughes wrote:

>Tesco is the largest supermarket in the UK, selling virtually everything. 
>Their latest addition is the ZFrame.
>http://www.tesco.com/direct/zframe-2x4-wheel-medium-purple-suitcase/419-5437.prd?skuId=419-5437
>One of my buddies has already bought one, and I think I'll get one too!

Nice wheelie toy for zProgs, but can it make zCoffee?  ;-)

Groete / Greetings
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Re: Delta Outage

[Anne & Lynn Wheeler]

000248cce9f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Edward Finnell) writes:
> Which company had their primary in the South tower and the backup in the  
> North tower?

re:
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2016e.html#93 Delta Outage

the previous scenario
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

one of the disaster recovery/backup companies had a datacenter on low
floor and was affected by the 1993 case.

Earlier we had been doing the IBM HA/CMP product ... and marketing
included meeting with SIAC (ran the datacenters for exchange trade
transactions) ... had offices in the WTC. They had a datacenter in
manhatten bldg that was carefully chosen to have different two water
mains on two sides of the building, two different power feeds (to
different substations) on two different sides on of the building and
different telco feeds (to different central offices) on four sides of
the building. They had had a recent outage when a power transformer
(with PCBs) exploded in the basement ... and the building had to be
evacuated and shutdown.
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hacmp

I had coined the term disaster survivability and geographic
survivability (as alternative to disaster/recovery) when out marketing
HA/CMP. I was then asked to write a section for the corporate strategic
continuous availability document ... but the section got pulled when
Rochester (AS/400) and POK (mainframe) complained that (at the time)
they couldn't meet the requirements.
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#available

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Re: Specifying JES2 initialization parameters

[John McKown]

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson 
wrote:

> I need to specify some JES2 NJE-related parameters differently for each
> member. JES2 PARMLIB is shared. Parameters that I need for one member do
> not work for others. I would like to use one common set of parms plus a set
> of parms for the one member that actually engages in NJE. I find this in
> Init and Tuning Guide:
>
> "Initialization statements can be specified by the input source in any
> order. Parameters can also be specified in any order. When a statement or
> parameter is specified, that value is used until that statement or
> parameter is specified again. That is, if the same parameter occurs more
> than once or if the same parameter occurs more than once for a statement,
> JES2 will use the value of the last one it reads."
>
> What I want to do is define for example NJEDEF for all members with common
> parameters, then add CONNECT=YES just for one member. Will this work in
> concatenation?
>
> For all members:
>
> NJEDEF   JRNUM=2,JTNUM=2,SRNUM=5,STNUM=5,PATH=8,LINENUM=15,NODENUM=
> 311,OWNNODE=27,MAILMSG=YES
>
> For NJE member only:
>
> NJEDEF   CONNECT=YES
>
> P.S. I know this should go to JES2-L, but I can't get subscribed there.
>
> .
> .
> .
> J.O.Skip Robinson
>

​I use the JES2 INCLUDE directive.
ref:
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.hasa400/include.htm

Example, in SYS1.PARMLIB(JES2PARM)

* COMMON JES2 PARAMETERS
INCLUDE​

​MEMBER=JES2​ * INCLUDE SYSTEM SPECIFIC PARMS

Example in book:
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.hasa400/has2u60025.htm



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Re: RFE to add new sizes to AVGREC and IDCAMS Define

[Tom Brennan]

640YB ought to be enough for anyone!

Mike Schwab wrote:

I can see GB(10,1).  I think TB(10,1) is kind of high for today's capacity.

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Paul Gilmartin
<000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:


On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 09:41:06 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote:



If you like this, please vote.  But I think IBM is planning a future date for
this

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rfe/execute?use_case=viewRfe

_ID=92670

Add additional AVGREC sizes to Space definitions in JCL and IDCAMS

I just got tired of trying to create an AVGREC=M and then having to code
SPACE=(1,(100,100)) I just wanted to code a smaller number

And I did ask for everything
B  (Is that now B or U?)
KB
GB
MB
TB
YB
ZB
PB



(in some order)  Quick question:  Exactly how many bytes is one YB?
I'd be happier with dispensing with AVGREC entirely and being allowed
to code:
   SPACE=(1,(1M,1000K))  * SI (decimal) prefixes, please.

What's the etymology of "AVGREC"?

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Re: SHARE Atlanta proceedings

[Art Gutowski]

On Tue, 9 Aug 2016 22:17:30 +, Jesse 1 Robinson  
wrote:

>According to SHARE HQ, they give speakers some time to get their pitches 
>uploaded
> (maybe with post-session tweaks) before posting a link on the web site. No 
> specific ETA, 
>but it should be soon.  

FSVO "soon".  As an offshoot of the original question, has anyone, or has 
everyone received their SHARE San Antonio DVD?  Isn't this still included with 
a full conference registration? (ISTR reading words to that effect when I 
registered...)  The last proceedings DVD I see available for purchase on the 
SHARE site is for Orlando, Summer 2015, so maybe they just haven't finished it 
yet?  Or did they just stop altogether?

Thanks,
Art Gutowski
General Motors, LLC

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Specifying JES2 initialization parameters

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

I need to specify some JES2 NJE-related parameters differently for each member. 
JES2 PARMLIB is shared. Parameters that I need for one member do not work for 
others. I would like to use one common set of parms plus a set of parms for the 
one member that actually engages in NJE. I find this in Init and Tuning Guide:

"Initialization statements can be specified by the input source in any order. 
Parameters can also be specified in any order. When a statement or parameter is 
specified, that value is used until that statement or parameter is specified 
again. That is, if the same parameter occurs more than once or if the same 
parameter occurs more than once for a statement, JES2 will use the value of the 
last one it reads."

What I want to do is define for example NJEDEF for all members with common 
parameters, then add CONNECT=YES just for one member. Will this work in 
concatenation?

For all members:

NJEDEF   
JRNUM=2,JTNUM=2,SRNUM=5,STNUM=5,PATH=8,LINENUM=15,NODENUM=311,OWNNODE=27,MAILMSG=YES

For NJE member only:

NJEDEF   CONNECT=YES

P.S. I know this should go to JES2-L, but I can't get subscribed there.

.
.
.
J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
323-715-0595 Mobile
626-302-7535 Office
robin...@sce.com


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GMail vs. COBOL

[zMan]

Sure would be nice if GMail were half as good at threading as COBOL is at
detecting recursive calls. I see TEN different threads with the same
subject.

(Yes, I understand Message-ID and that some mailers [human or otherwise]
remove it, thus breaking automatic threading, but for discussion
lists--which Google already groks, as it puts these threads into Forums--it
could use a slightly less restrictive algorithm, nu?)
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Re: Tesco Now Sell zFrame

[zMan]

Connor needs one of these, I think...

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Richards, Robert B. <
robert.richa...@opm.gov> wrote:

> zFrame is good to go on zPlane to see zRain on zplain in zSpain!
>
> Although mentioning 360 does not exactly bring to mind latest technology.
> It appears to support air cooling and universal "man" power.  zTag is
> optional but recommended.  :-)
>
> Bob
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Aled Hughes
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:25 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Tesco Now Sell zFrame
>
> Tesco is the largest supermarket in the UK, selling virtually everything.
> Their latest addition is the ZFrame.
>
> http://www.tesco.com/direct/zframe-2x4-wheel-medium-
> purple-suitcase/419-5437.prd?skuId=419-5437
>
> One of my buddies has already bought one, and I think I'll get one too!
>
> I wonder if IBM will have something to say about this
>
> ALH
>
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Re: RFE to add new sizes to AVGREC and IDCAMS Define

[Mike Schwab]

I can see GB(10,1).  I think TB(10,1) is kind of high for today's capacity.

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Paul Gilmartin
<000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 09:41:06 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote:
>
>>If you like this, please vote.  But I think IBM is planning a future date for
>>this
>>
>>http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rfe/execute?use_case=viewRfe
>>
>>_ID=92670
>>
>>Add additional AVGREC sizes to Space definitions in JCL and IDCAMS
>>
>>I just got tired of trying to create an AVGREC=M and then having to code
>>SPACE=(1,(100,100)) I just wanted to code a smaller number
>>
>>And I did ask for everything
>>B  (Is that now B or U?)
>>KB
>>GB
>>MB
>>TB
>>YB
>>ZB
>>PB
>>
> (in some order)  Quick question:  Exactly how many bytes is one YB?
> I'd be happier with dispensing with AVGREC entirely and being allowed
> to code:
> SPACE=(1,(1M,1000K))  * SI (decimal) prefixes, please.
>
> What's the etymology of "AVGREC"?
>
> -- gil
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Re: RFE to add new sizes to AVGREC and IDCAMS Define

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 09:41:06 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote:

>If you like this, please vote.  But I think IBM is planning a future date for
>this
>
>http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rfe/execute?use_case=viewRfe
>
>_ID=92670
>
>Add additional AVGREC sizes to Space definitions in JCL and IDCAMS
>
>I just got tired of trying to create an AVGREC=M and then having to code
>SPACE=(1,(100,100)) I just wanted to code a smaller number
>
>And I did ask for everything
>B  (Is that now B or U?)
>KB
>GB
>MB
>TB
>YB
>ZB
>PB
> 
(in some order)  Quick question:  Exactly how many bytes is one YB?
I'd be happier with dispensing with AVGREC entirely and being allowed
to code:
SPACE=(1,(1M,1000K))  * SI (decimal) prefixes, please.

What's the etymology of "AVGREC"?

-- gil

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RFE to add new sizes to AVGREC and IDCAMS Define

[Lizette Koehler]

If you like this, please vote.  But I think IBM is planning a future date for
this

 

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rfe/execute?use_case=viewRfe

_ID=92670

 

Add additional AVGREC sizes to Space definitions in JCL and IDCAMS

 

I just got tired of trying to create an AVGREC=M and then having to code
SPACE=(1,(100,100)) I just wanted to code a smaller number

 

And I did ask for everything

B

KB

GB

MB

TB

YB

ZB

PB

 

Lizette Koehler

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Re: How does COBOL detect a recursive call?

[Farley, Peter x23353]

John,

Using the COBOL "nested programs" approach (as opposed to an ENTRY) does not 
result in more than one load module / program object, only one.  Any competent 
source management system should handle that setup.  We do that here with no 
issue (though we are not an Endeavor shop).

And the nested program does have access to the main program's WORKING-STORAGE 
items declared as GLOBAL, so they can share data too.

The question is whether or not the LE condition handler actually requires a 
directory entry in the PDS/E for the entry point of the condition handler code. 
 If the "SET procedure-pointer" operation  results in an address acceptable to 
the LE register-condition-handler operation, then there should be no issue at 
all.

Peter

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> Excluding cursing, and including recursing.
>
> Any IT management who chooses that route over 
> TwoSimpleProgramsWithNothingButOrdinaryCodeCompile/
> LinkProcessingAndOrdinaryRunTime. is... well, choose your own ending.
>
> Remember, there is Frank's suggestion to have the two programs in one 
> source and compile them together, like they have some deep affinity 
> just through proximity, that may serve the "do it the way I say" people.
>

​Hum, that wouldn't work here. ​I'm fairly sure the CA-Endevor will barf up its 
lungs if you try to put two source modules, which create two load modules / 
program objects, into a single source member. It wouldn't be able to 1:1 track 
an executable and associated source member.
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Re: Tesco Now Sell zFrame

[Richards, Robert B.]

zFrame is good to go on zPlane to see zRain on zplain in zSpain! 

Although mentioning 360 does not exactly bring to mind latest technology. It 
appears to support air cooling and universal "man" power.  zTag is optional but 
recommended.  :-)

Bob

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Subject: Tesco Now Sell zFrame

Tesco is the largest supermarket in the UK, selling virtually everything. Their 
latest addition is the ZFrame. 

http://www.tesco.com/direct/zframe-2x4-wheel-medium-purple-suitcase/419-5437.prd?skuId=419-5437

One of my buddies has already bought one, and I think I'll get one too! 

I wonder if IBM will have something to say about this

ALH



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Re: Tesco Now Sell zFrame

[Grinsell, Don]

Al,

You forgot the requisite rim shot...bada boom!

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> On Behalf Of Nims,Alva John (Al)
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:01 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Tesco Now Sell zFrame
> 
> Okay, I will go for the groan:  I would think that it would not qualify as 
> reliable
> in that sense, because it would have about 90% "down time" (on the floor
> down time, it does have wheels!) :)
> 
> Al Nims
> Systems Admin/Programmer 3
> UFIT
> University of Florida
> (352) 273-1298
> 
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> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:28 AM
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> 
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Aled Hughes < 0050619ca8df-dmarc-
> requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> > Tesco is the largest supermarket in the UK, selling virtually everything.
> > Their latest addition is the ZFrame.
> >
> > http://www.tesco.com/direct/zframe-2x4-wheel-medium-
> > purple-suitcase/419-5437.prd?skuId=419-5437
> >
> > One of my buddies has already bought one, and I think I'll get one too!
> >
> > I wonder if IBM will have something to say about this
> >
> > ALH
> >
> 
> ​A nice laugh, thanks. So, does the store advertise this bag as having "zero
> down time" like the System z?​
> 
> 
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Re: Tesco Now Sell zFrame

[Nims,Alva John (Al)]

Okay, I will go for the groan:  I would think that it would not qualify as 
reliable in that sense, because it would have about 90% "down time" (on the 
floor down time, it does have wheels!) :)

Al Nims
Systems Admin/Programmer 3
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On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Aled Hughes < 
0050619ca8df-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Tesco is the largest supermarket in the UK, selling virtually everything.
> Their latest addition is the ZFrame.
>
> http://www.tesco.com/direct/zframe-2x4-wheel-medium-
> purple-suitcase/419-5437.prd?skuId=419-5437
>
> One of my buddies has already bought one, and I think I'll get one too!
>
> I wonder if IBM will have something to say about this
>
> ALH
>

​A nice laugh, thanks. So, does the store advertise this bag as having "zero 
down time" like the System z?​



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Re: Tesco Now Sell zFrame

[Rob Schramm]

I thought purple was an EMC color.

Rob

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016, 11:28 AM John McKown 
wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Aled Hughes <
> 0050619ca8df-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> > Tesco is the largest supermarket in the UK, selling virtually everything.
> > Their latest addition is the ZFrame.
> >
> > http://www.tesco.com/direct/zframe-2x4-wheel-medium-
> > purple-suitcase/419-5437.prd?skuId=419-5437
> >
> > One of my buddies has already bought one, and I think I'll get one too!
> >
> > I wonder if IBM will have something to say about this
> >
> > ALH
> >
>
> ​A nice laugh, thanks. So, does the store advertise this bag as having
> "zero down time" like the System z?​
>
>
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Re: Tesco Now Sell zFrame

[John McKown]

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Aled Hughes <
0050619ca8df-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Tesco is the largest supermarket in the UK, selling virtually everything.
> Their latest addition is the ZFrame.
>
> http://www.tesco.com/direct/zframe-2x4-wheel-medium-
> purple-suitcase/419-5437.prd?skuId=419-5437
>
> One of my buddies has already bought one, and I think I'll get one too!
>
> I wonder if IBM will have something to say about this
>
> ALH
>

​A nice laugh, thanks. So, does the store advertise this bag as having
"zero down time" like the System z?​



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Tesco Now Sell zFrame

[Aled Hughes]

Tesco is the largest supermarket in the UK, selling virtually everything. Their 
latest addition is the ZFrame. 

http://www.tesco.com/direct/zframe-2x4-wheel-medium-purple-suitcase/419-5437.prd?skuId=419-5437

One of my buddies has already bought one, and I think I'll get one too! 

I wonder if IBM will have something to say about this

ALH



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Re: git on z/OS

[Kirk Wolf]

Agreed - Rocket's work to port updated tools to z/OS is great.   I believe
that they have a paid support model, which hopefully will be embraced by
the community so that they can justify even more good work.

Regarding System R, you can also run this from z/OS batch using the Co:Z
Launcher utility.  See an example below.
(The Co:Z Co-Processing Toolkit is available under our free Community
License and can be downloaded without registering.)

Some features of this approach:

- Run R under the control of a regular z/OS batch job step.
- processing is offloaded to a Linux server; perhaps an IFL
- z/OS datasets can be accessed by the distribute process via the job step
- output goes to z/OS spool files
- the exit code of the remote process is adopted as the step condition code


//R EXEC PROC=COZPROC,
//ARGS='k...@linux1.dovetail.com'
//LIFEEXP DD DISP=SHR,DSN=KIRK.LIFEEXP.DATA
//STDIN DD *
# Run the R statistical system with an inline program
# This example is a 2-dimensional multiple regression
# The dataset is read from a DD using "fromdsn" in a R pipe file.
# The source of the data is:
# www.sci.usq.edu.au/staff/dunn/Datasets/applications/health/lifeexp.html

R --no-save   Co:Z is agnostic about what you run with it.  You can offload SAS in a
similar way:
http://dovetail.com/products/casestudysas.html

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Re: How does COBOL detect a recursive call?

[Frank Swarbrick]

Actually, unless you use PROCESS NAME on the second (and later) modules you 
will in the end have only a single executable (named after the member 
containing the source) that statically links the "secondary" programs.


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
John McKown 
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 6:07 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: How does COBOL detect a recursive call?

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:48 AM, Bill Woodger 
wrote:

> On Thursday, 11 August 2016 01:47:07 UTC+2, John McKown  wrote:
> ...>
> > Hum, I would guess this will be a case of "20 lines of code and 200
> lines
> > of comments (excluding cursing)"
> >
> >
> >
> > >
>
> Excluding cursing, and including recursing.
>
> Any IT management who chooses that route over
> TwoSimpleProgramsWithNothingButOrdinaryCodeCompile/
> LinkProcessingAndOrdinaryRunTime. is... well, choose your own ending.
>
> Remember, there is Frank's suggestion to have the two programs in one
> source and compile them together, like they have some deep affinity just
> through proximity, that may serve the "do it the way I say" people.
>

Hum, that wouldn't work here. I'm fairly sure the CA-Endevor will barf up
its lungs if you try to put two source modules, which create two load
modules / program objects, into a single source member. It wouldn't be able
to 1:1 track an executable and associated source member.



>
> One COBOL program doing two things (and being shoe-horned with a
> blow-torch to do so) vs two programs *with identical, as in identical,
> really the same, except for no ENTRY* (Ok, not really identical, but you
> know what I mean) code. That's surely easy, even for a CS Grad?
>

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Re: Enterprise COBOL API for dynamic capacity tables

[Frank Swarbrick]

Perhaps they've added it to the Windows kernel?

One can dream.


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David Crayford 
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On 11/08/2016 8:44 AM, Frank Swarbrick wrote:
> The video specifically noted that fork does work...!

Yes, but I take that with a pinch of salt because there's no Windows API
call that performs a real fork. There are similar functions to spawn()
but nothing that does CoW like fork().
Microsoft had an experimental Windows port of Redis a year or so ago and
that was the issue that made it not production ready.

>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> David Crayford 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 5:59 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Enterprise COBOL API for dynamic capacity tables
>
> On 10/08/2016 11:35 PM, Frank Swarbrick wrote:
>> That "Linux on Windows" thing (not a VM, they point out!) is certainly 
>> interesting.  Hope it does better than Windows Services for UNIX et al!
> Indeed, my mistake. They intercept syscalls and translate them to
> Windows API calls. It's like a giant kernel shim. I wonder how to handle
> fork()? Windows doesn't support forking which is significant if you want
> to run popular open source software like redis.
>
>> When Richard Stallman learns of this I imagine he will have a bit to say 
>> about the terminology.  
>> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy)  It seems to me 
>> that this is really GNU user code running on Windows, not Linux on Windows, 
>> since they specifically say there is no Linux kernel code present, and Linux 
>> really is only the kernel.
GNU/Linux naming controversy - Wikipedia, the free 
...
en.wikipedia.org
The GNU/Linux naming controversy is a dispute among members of the free and 
open source software community over whether to refer to computer operating 
systems that ...


> GNU/Linux naming controversy - Wikipedia, the free 
> ...
> en.wikipedia.org
> The GNU/Linux naming controversy is a dispute among members of the free and 
> open source software community over whether to refer to computer operating 
> systems that ...
>
>
>
> Microsoft are partnering with Canonical. The Linux subsystem is
> effectively and Ubuntu distro without the kernel. Good on them. I've
> been running headless linux VM guests under VirtualBox but this much
> better as it's integrated.
>
>> GNU/Linux naming controversy - Wikipedia, the free 
>> ...
>> en.wikipedia.org
>> The GNU/Linux naming controversy is a dispute among members of the free and 
>> open source software community over whether to refer to computer operating 
>> systems that ...
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
>> David Crayford 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 7:29 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Enterprise COBOL API for dynamic capacity tables
>>
>> I run Git for Windows on my work PC which is very good indeed. It has a
>> bash shell emulator and a nice GUI. We use SMB on z/OS and map the
>> network drives on windows, so it's easy to use git from the command line
>> with the working directory mapping to the zFS file system. It's simple
>> to push/pull stuff from/to github. We have a private github account and
>> it's a great platform for development. We use the issue tracking system
>> to create a backlog of work items. The tooling on github is superb.
>>
>> I've recently been using a beta version of Windows 10 that has an
>> integrated Ubuntu Linux VM running so I can use bash natively
>> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/about. It's great, much
>> [https://sec.ch9.ms/ch9/5db6/8ee786b7-9fc5-45bf-94d0-16ea91765db6/P488_960.jpg]
>>
>> Bash on Ubuntu on Windows | 
>> MSDN
>> msdn.microsoft.com
>> Announcements Blogs. Mike Harsh's Blog -- Run Bash on Ubuntu on Windows; 
>> Scott Hanselman's Blog -- Developers Can Run Bash And Usermode Ubuntu Linux 
>> ...
>>
>>
>> better than VirtualBox running VMs or Cygwin. It's a smart move by
>> Microsoft. All the young kids are working on open source these days and
>> they all uses macs because of the toolset, bash, homebrew etc. By
>> integrating a Linux subsystem into Windows they may attract hipster
>> hackers back the platform. Desktop Linux is ok but it's nowhere near as
>> polished as iOS or Windows.
>>
>>
>> On 10/08/2016 1:27 AM, Frank Swarbrick wrote:

Re: Delta Outage

[Mike Schwab]

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Edward Finnell
<000248cce9f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> Which company had their primary in the South tower and the backup in the
> North tower?
>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tenants_in_One_World_Trade_Center
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tenants_in_2_World_Trade_Center

Morgan Stanley?
Tower 1 Floors 72-59
Tower 2 Floors 74-59, 56, 46-43

http://wps.prenhall.com/bp_laudon_essmis_6/21/5556/1422339.cw/content/index.html

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How does COBOL detect a recursive call?

[Bill Woodger]

Yes, I'd not suggest compiling two separate programs as a single source, except 
for the idea that they (the Manglerment) seem to want it done in one "program". 
I'd kind of hope it doesn't fit into their procedures either - even though it 
is as "logically equivalent" to the ENTRY idea as it is the separate programs 
idea.

A twisted, prone to misunderstanding, way with ENTRY to make one program out of 
two vs two programs in one source vs two separate programs in two separate 
sources. The two-programs-in-one-source I'd see (in this case) as a another 
stepping-stone to the abandonment of the idea to be complicated.

I'd prefer it to be horribly simple. One program to do one thing. A second 
program to do the other thing.

PROGRAM-ID...
...
ENTRY

vs

PROGRAM-ID...
PROGRAM-ID...

vs 

PROGRAM-ID...

PROGRAM-ID...

Other than the additional "boilerplate" the difference in having the two 
programs (however it is done) is just no ENTRY statement.

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Re: git on z/OS

[Jerry Callen]

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 10:26:55 -0500, Paul Gilmartin  wrote 
(regarding porting git to z/OS):

>What would be the obstacles to building it in Enhanced ASCII mode?

For a tool like git that has to straddle character encoding worlds, enhanced 
ASCII support (EAS) brings only limited value. We're likely to explicitly 
convert data, and control tagging, for text moving into and out of the 
repository, rather than relying on EAS to Do The Right Thing. Current plans 
(subject to change, of course...) are to support checkout as ISO-8859-1, UTF-8 
or IBM-1047 (or conceivably ANY encoding supported by iconv) and respect tags 
on add/commit of new files.  As I said - it's a challenging problem. Git 
currently ignores encoding altogether, with the exception of line endings (the 
perennial CRLF/LF/CR/whatever problem...).

Given the complexity of the problem, I think IBM has done a fairly decent job 
with EAS. Most of the existing C/C++ tool chain (most notably, of course, xlc) 
do a pretty decent job of handling a mix of character encodings in its input 
files, and the bulk of the POSIX system and library interfaces support ASCII. 
See 
http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.bpxbd00/libfuncsupport.htm

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Re: How does COBOL detect a recursive call?

[John McKown]

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:48 AM, Bill Woodger 
wrote:

> On Thursday, 11 August 2016 01:47:07 UTC+2, John McKown  wrote:
> ...>
> > ​Hum, I would guess this will be a case of "20 lines of code and 200
> lines
> > of comments (excluding cursing)"​
> >
> >
> >
> > >
>
> Excluding cursing, and including recursing.
>
> Any IT management who chooses that route over
> TwoSimpleProgramsWithNothingButOrdinaryCodeCompile/
> LinkProcessingAndOrdinaryRunTime. is... well, choose your own ending.
>
> Remember, there is Frank's suggestion to have the two programs in one
> source and compile them together, like they have some deep affinity just
> through proximity, that may serve the "do it the way I say" people.
>

​Hum, that wouldn't work here. ​I'm fairly sure the CA-Endevor will barf up
its lungs if you try to put two source modules, which create two load
modules / program objects, into a single source member. It wouldn't be able
to 1:1 track an executable and associated source member.



>
> One COBOL program doing two things (and being shoe-horned with a
> blow-torch to do so) vs two programs *with identical, as in identical,
> really the same, except for no ENTRY* (Ok, not really identical, but you
> know what I mean) code. That's surely easy, even for a CS Grad?
>

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Re: IBM's Australian cloud is in deep dodo

[Field, Alan]

I read Marissa Mayer may be seeking a new opportunity in the near future :) 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of David Crayford
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 9:27 PM
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Subject: Re: IBM's Australian cloud is in deep dodo

The Australian prime minister has just given a press conference and pointed the 
finger directly at IBM for this debacle. It's entirely predictable in this day 
and age that a high profile event like an online census will face some kind of 
cyber attack. It happens all the time. IBM, the service provider, did not have 
adequate measures in place to deal with the attack, fundamental measures like 
geo-blocking. It's a bloody disgrace!

IBMs reputation is already in tatters in Australia after the Queensland 
government health payroll disaster. The Queensland government is still refusing 
to budge on a sector-wide ban on new contracts with IBM and who can blame them. 
After this fiasco their brand is toxic. This is a company who government and 
the private sector would 100% trust to get the job done with integrity. 
Unfortunately, those days are past now. Too many high profile failures and 
accusations of underhand dealing have ruined their credibility down here 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.itnews.com.au_news_ibm-2Dshould-2Dnever-2Dhave-2Dbeen-2Dappointed-2Dfinds-2Dqld-2Dpayroll-2Dinquiry-2D352362=CwIC-g=zjLIypOkeQKJfe4BYrJ5J55pYA-45JElRiaMoh2hP7Q=SaL11MvL9LWz-4CkTmMYltgrRR9mrR4t5HY7AKmOSPE=zWwYi2QpDY6TE4HyLAwdwygnSOQ-LDwEzV6IV_KA4gw=Y8GHS85QBlF0dCIM3MFvaj1Tbk2oYKDyGe3Lz0RTNG8=
 .

Maybe what IBM needs is a change in leadership.


On 10/08/2016 12:37 PM, Edward Gould wrote:
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Re: Delta Outage

[Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM]

I think people will always be attracted by the lowest price. If you can get a 
ticket with 99.9% percent of flying, few people will pay the double to have a 
99.999% of flying.

Kees.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Kirk Wolf
Sent: 10 August, 2016 19:45
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Regardless of the technology choice, it would be nice if there were enough
competition in the US airline industry such that you could choose an
airline with a hot DR plan that they regularly exercise.

IMO this is evidence that the heavy regulatory environment is of little
actual value.

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson 
wrote:

> The most telling detail I've seen is that the Delta 'system', whatever
> that entails, encompasses 500 servers! Of those, 400 came up early-ish on,
> but 100 others proved obstreperous. OK, folks here have cited--even boasted
> about--nearly transparent DR failover. Really? Can anyone on this list
> actually perform a complete DR with 500 servers to another location in less
> time than it would (presumably) take to get all 500 back up in their native
> location? We're not talking here about a well-configured mainframe. This is
> a massive number of weenie-ware gizmos that all have to talk to each other
> in perfect harmony. Somewhere else.
>
> If so, you are gods. I stand ready to be awed.
>
> .
> .
> .
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> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 11:49 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: (External):Re: Delta Outage
>
> Dutch television had the info that passengers were in trouble because
> their data was lost in the disaster. If true, this is of course totally
> unacceptable for such a company, whatever the disaster.
>
> Kees.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Gerhard Adam
> Sent: 09 August, 2016 18:06
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Delta Outage
>
> Apparently there are 500 servers involved.  I have my own speculations as
> to why they didn't declare a disaster.
>
> As a result, the outage was extended because it appears to be taking them
> in excess of 12 hours to reboot everything.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:41 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Delta Outage
>
> Then WHY did they not initiate their DR and move all systems to the HOT
> Site.  I just finished putting in a System that has a RTO=RPO=0
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Gerhard Adam
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 10:17 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Delta Outage
>
> From what I understand, it isn't a simple power outage, but rather a fire
> in the data center.
>
> http://arstechnica.com/business/2016/08/data-center-
> disaster-disrupts-delta-
> airlines/
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Steve Beaver
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:10 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Delta Outage
>
> I live in Texas and we have ERCOT, and Texas produces more wind energy than
> 3 countries.  And Texas has NO Interconnects To other grids.
>
> It its reprehensible that Delta does not have enough battery power and
> gen-sets to cover the screw-ups by Atlanta Power. AA is in  Irving and
> unless there is a major storm in that area does not lose
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