CAVMEN Revival Meeting October 18 - FINAL NOTICE
The fourth quarter revival meeting of the Chicago Area VM (and Linux) Enthusiasts will be held on Thursday, October 18. Please be encouraged to attend and invite your friends. Meeting Location: This quarter's meeting will once again be held at Alight (formerly AON Hewitt) West Campus' located at 4 Overlook Point, in Lincolnshire, IL (same location as previously) . We will be entering on the south side of the complex (opposite of where we have entered previously) and there should be an 'Alight' sign to guide you. Security at that entrance should be able to guide you to our meeting room. Parking should otherwise remain the same. Please be attentive to where you park and where you attempt to enter the building.Security has been instructed to send you to the correct entrance. If you have not attended a meeting at this location before and do not know the location of this entrance, please go to www.cavmen.org . Check the links out!!! There is a lot of information on the this site for your benefit!!! Attendance: We would like to request a count of expected attendees by the Monday before the meeting, so that we may plan appropriately for arranging the facilities.. If you are planning to attend, PLEASE send an E-Mail by that date to jslavi...@comcast.net with a subject line of "Meeting Attendance". This is meant to be a facilities planning aid and should not be interpreted as a registration requirement. If you suddenly become available at the last minute, please feel free to attend even if you have not responded. Thank you in advance for your cooperation in this matter. It is only necessary to reply once concerning attendance. Meeting Agenda: It will include Bruce Hayden of IBM, Rich Smrcina of Velocity Software, Jay Zelnick of CA and myself. Please see the website for times. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Fwd: What! Mainframers hate mainframes??
On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 19:37:14 -0400, Don Poitras wrote: >In article <0318129882885622.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu> you wrote: >> On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 12:33:58 -0400, Mark Regan wrote: >> >https://it.toolbox.com/blogs/trevoreddolls/what-mainframers-hate-mainframes-101418 >> ... >> I believe there are sites running multiple Linux guests and using CMS only >> to support those guests. I asked on IBMVM whether such a site could discard >> CMS and the idiosyncratic skill set it requires and rely solely on Linux >> itself >> for support. Alan Altmark and others replied, emphatically, "No." > >If you're going to use z/VM to host z/Linux, then you'd need CMS as that's >required for z/VM. > That's the sort of dependency that can be removed via RFE. Tape drives used to be required for OS/360 and VM/370. > ... But you don't have to use z/VM, you could instead >use KVM and avoid CMS. I don't think KVM is anywhere near as good as >z/VM, but at least you avoid the learning curve. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Fwd: What! Mainframers hate mainframes??
In article <0318129882885622.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu> you wrote: > On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 12:33:58 -0400, Mark Regan wrote: > >https://it.toolbox.com/blogs/trevoreddolls/what-mainframers-hate-mainframes-101418 > > ... > You can run Linux on it - either in a partition or running the whole > thing. ... > What fraction of participants of this forum see moving to Linux for z as > comfortably Remaining on the Mainframe? > ... pervasive encryption making mainframes the most secure platform ... > Does Linux employ pervasive encryption? > ... free with z/OS is z/OSMF, which provides a browser-based way (with > wizards > and online help) to manage z/OS from a modern-looking GUI. ... > What sites have switched to z/OSMF, largely replacing 3270s? Does z/OSMF > support installation, configuration, and servicing? Could such sites just > sell > all their 3270s and emulators on eBay? > I believe there are sites running multiple Linux guests and using CMS only > to support those guests. I asked on IBMVM whether such a site could discard > CMS and the idiosyncratic skill set it requires and rely solely on Linux > itself > for support. Alan Altmark and others replied, emphatically, "No." > -- gil If you're going to use z/VM to host z/Linux, then you'd need CMS as that's required for z/VM. But you don't have to use z/VM, you could instead use KVM and avoid CMS. I don't think KVM is anywhere near as good as z/VM, but at least you avoid the learning curve. -- Don Poitras - SAS Development - SAS Institute Inc. - SAS Campus Drive sas...@sas.com (919) 531-5637Cary, NC 27513 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CPU ID display incorrect?
Looks correct. Doug . On Oct 14, 2018, at 18:59, Charles Mills wrote: What do you see as wrong? 07 is the LPAR 58C7 is the last four of the physical serial 2828 is the machine type Or am I missing some detail of your question? (Or missing completely ?) Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 2:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: CPU ID display incorrect? Why would the D M=CPU display a wrong number. Running z/os 1.13 on a z12-BC. 17.13.21 HKYP d m=cpu 17.13.21 HKYP IEE174I 17.13.21 DISPLAY M 204 PROCESSOR STATUS ID CPU SERIAL 00 + 0758C72828 CPC ND = 002828.H06.IBM.84.000A58C7 CPC SI = 2828.A01.IBM.84.000A58C7 Model: H06 CPC ID = 00 CPC NAME = YUKON LP NAME = HKYPRODLP ID = 7 CSS ID = 0 MIF ID = 7 The physical CPU id stamped into the machine is "A58C7". The 'Edit Frame' in the SE says: Machine Type: 2828 Machine Model: H06 Serial Number: 0008400A58C7 Additionally, VTAM-Print says: (GSMINITL) THIS CPU: 758C7 -- Tony Thigpen -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CPU ID display incorrect?
What do you see as wrong? 07 is the LPAR 58C7 is the last four of the physical serial 2828 is the machine type Or am I missing some detail of your question? (Or missing completely ?) Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 2:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: CPU ID display incorrect? Why would the D M=CPU display a wrong number. Running z/os 1.13 on a z12-BC. 17.13.21 HKYP d m=cpu 17.13.21 HKYP IEE174I 17.13.21 DISPLAY M 204 PROCESSOR STATUS ID CPU SERIAL 00 + 0758C72828 CPC ND = 002828.H06.IBM.84.000A58C7 CPC SI = 2828.A01.IBM.84.000A58C7 Model: H06 CPC ID = 00 CPC NAME = YUKON LP NAME = HKYPRODLP ID = 7 CSS ID = 0 MIF ID = 7 The physical CPU id stamped into the machine is "A58C7". The 'Edit Frame' in the SE says: Machine Type: 2828 Machine Model: H06 Serial Number: 0008400A58C7 Additionally, VTAM-Print says: (GSMINITL) THIS CPU: 758C7 -- Tony Thigpen -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Fwd: What! Mainframers hate mainframes??
On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 12:33:58 -0400, Mark Regan wrote: >https://it.toolbox.com/blogs/trevoreddolls/what-mainframers-hate-mainframes-101418 > ... You can run Linux on it - either in a partition or running the whole thing. ... What fraction of participants of this forum see moving to Linux for z as comfortably Remaining on the Mainframe? ... pervasive encryption making mainframes the most secure platform ... Does Linux employ pervasive encryption? ... free with z/OS is z/OSMF, which provides a browser-based way (with wizards and online help) to manage z/OS from a modern-looking GUI. ... What sites have switched to z/OSMF, largely replacing 3270s? Does z/OSMF support installation, configuration, and servicing? Could such sites just sell all their 3270s and emulators on eBay? I believe there are sites running multiple Linux guests and using CMS only to support those guests. I asked on IBMVM whether such a site could discard CMS and the idiosyncratic skill set it requires and rely solely on Linux itself for support. Alan Altmark and others replied, emphatically, "No." -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
CPU ID display incorrect?
Why would the D M=CPU display a wrong number. Running z/os 1.13 on a z12-BC. 17.13.21 HKYP d m=cpu 17.13.21 HKYP IEE174I 17.13.21 DISPLAY M 204 PROCESSOR STATUS ID CPU SERIAL 00 + 0758C72828 CPC ND = 002828.H06.IBM.84.000A58C7 CPC SI = 2828.A01.IBM.84.000A58C7 Model: H06 CPC ID = 00 CPC NAME = YUKON LP NAME = HKYPRODLP ID = 7 CSS ID = 0 MIF ID = 7 The physical CPU id stamped into the machine is "A58C7". The 'Edit Frame' in the SE says: Machine Type: 2828 Machine Model: H06 Serial Number: 0008400A58C7 Additionally, VTAM-Print says: (GSMINITL) THIS CPU: 758C7 -- Tony Thigpen -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Fwd: What! Mainframers hate mainframes??
https://it.toolbox.com/blogs/trevoreddolls/what-mainframers-hate-mainframes-101418 -- Regards, Mark T. Regan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
