Re: Free SMPE product to just practice

[Bill Johnson]

Best bet is to ask the IBM expert who is the SMP/E manager. Kurt Quackenbush. 


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Hello

Good morning

Is there any freeware product which can be installed using SMP/e.

Any pointers are appreciated

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Re: Free SMPE product to just practice

[Michael Babcock]

How about Rocket’s Ported Tools in SMPE format?  I thought it’s free with
no support.   I can’t remember if you need to be licensed for one of their
other products first or not.

On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 6:36 PM Farley, Peter <
031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Mike, it seems to me that BUILDING an SMPE package (no matter how simple)
> and INSTALLING an SMPE package that someone else built are two different
> skill levels.  I think Tom was asking to practice the latter, the INSTALL
> skills, not the BUILD skills.
>
> Peter
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>
>
> Not in smpe format, but a simple application you could package.
>
> https://github.com/mainframed/DOGECICS
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 2:51 PM Tom Marchant
>
> <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I don't know of any. Maybe someone else does.
>
> >
>
> > You could use any product that your installation runs and install it
> into your own data sets. That will get you practice applying, accepting,
> restoring, rejecting, etc. And if you get stuck, you can blow it all away
> and start over.
>
> >
>
> > Or you could build your own product. You don't need much. Just a load
> module, maybe a source to generate it. The result doesn't even have to do
> anything. But if you create a function sysmod (FMID) and apply it, you will
> learn a lot more.
>
> >
>
> > On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 23:36:22 +0400, Jake Anderson <
> justmainfra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >Is there any freeware product which can be installed using SMP/e.
>
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Re: Free SMPE product to just practice

[Farley, Peter]

Mike, it seems to me that BUILDING an SMPE package (no matter how simple) and 
INSTALLING an SMPE package that someone else built are two different skill 
levels.  I think Tom was asking to practice the latter, the INSTALL skills, not 
the BUILD skills.

Peter

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Not in smpe format, but a simple application you could package.

https://github.com/mainframed/DOGECICS



On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 2:51 PM Tom Marchant

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>

> I don't know of any. Maybe someone else does.

>

> You could use any product that your installation runs and install it into 
> your own data sets. That will get you practice applying, accepting, 
> restoring, rejecting, etc. And if you get stuck, you can blow it all away and 
> start over.

>

> Or you could build your own product. You don't need much. Just a load module, 
> maybe a source to generate it. The result doesn't even have to do anything. 
> But if you create a function sysmod (FMID) and apply it, you will learn a lot 
> more.

>

> On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 23:36:22 +0400, Jake Anderson  
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>

> >Is there any freeware product which can be installed using SMP/e.

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Re: AI plus cybersecurity!

[Bill Johnson]

Even COBOL is better than Assembler.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that the job outlook for computer 
programmers is declining, but COBOL programmers are still in demand by 
companies that use COBOL for their daily operations, such as government 
agencies, banks, and other business organizations.


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Along with AI, another growing field is IT security. MGM & Caesars got hacked, 
using LinkedIn, and you guys wonder why I’m not on it. Going to cost them 10’s 
of millions.

"All ALPHV ransomware group did to compromise MGM Resorts was hop on LinkedIn, 
find an employee, then call the Help Desk. A company valued at $33,900,000,000 
was defeated by a 10-minute conversation," VX-Underground said.

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AI plus cybersecurity!

[Bill Johnson]

Along with AI, another growing field is IT security. MGM & Caesars got hacked, 
using LinkedIn, and you guys wonder why I’m not on it. Going to cost them 10’s 
of millions.

"All ALPHV ransomware group did to compromise MGM Resorts was hop on LinkedIn, 
find an employee, then call the Help Desk. A company valued at $33,900,000,000 
was defeated by a 10-minute conversation," VX-Underground said.

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Re: Free SMPE product to just practice

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 14:51:38 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote:
>...
>Or you could build your own product. You don't need much. Just a load module, 
>maybe a source to generate it. The result doesn't even have to do anything. 
>But if you create a function sysmod (FMID) and apply it, you will learn a lot 
>more.
>
Yes.  I've done this with a self-contained JCL job creating a minimal FMID
containing only a single ++MAC element.

For the last dozen years you need specific RACF authority to do even that,
because IBM chose not to fix an integrity flaw but to put onus on the
customer, circumventing their SOI.


On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 17:21:32 -0400, Matt Hogstrom wrote:

>ZoweHttps://zowe.org
>
>They offer a pax and an smp/e install   Not sure if they pswis or not

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Re: Free SMPE product to just practice

[Matt Hogstrom]

My  misread your question  I read it as freeware packaged in smp/e format

Matt Hogstrom
PGP key 0F143BC1

> On Sep 14, 2023, at 15:36, Jake Anderson  wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> Good morning
> 
> Is there any freeware product which can be installed using SMP/e.
> 
> Any pointers are appreciated
> 
> Jake
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Re: Free SMPE product to just practice

[Matt Hogstrom]

ZoweHttps://zowe.org

They offer a pax and an smp/e install   Not sure if they pswis or not

Matt Hogstrom
PGP key 0F143BC1

> On Sep 14, 2023, at 15:36, Jake Anderson  wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> Good morning
> 
> Is there any freeware product which can be installed using SMP/e.
> 
> Any pointers are appreciated
> 
> Jake
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Re: IBM now advertising their AI.

[Bill Johnson]

 
https://www.ibm.com/products/watsonx-assistant?utm_content=WAIWW=PSocial=370062134=183231631=CKP9g7P_qoEDFcFgwQod6B4I8A




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IBM now advertising their AI.

[Bill Johnson]

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Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

[Bill Johnson]

Anyone who would choose assembler over AI is a complete fool. 


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It’s already passed yours.


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Yours included?

On 2023-09-14 13:29, Bill Johnson wrote:
> AI will surpass human intelligence.
>
> https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/14/softbanks-masayoshi-son-says-tech-can-surpass-human-intelligence.html
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Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

[Anthony Fletcher]

+1

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Yours included?

On 2023-09-14 13:29, Bill Johnson wrote:
> AI will surpass human intelligence.
>
> https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/14/softbanks-masayoshi-son-says-tech-can-
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Re: Free SMPE product to just practice

[Mike Schwab]

Not in smpe format, but a simple application you could package.
https://github.com/mainframed/DOGECICS

On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 2:51 PM Tom Marchant
<000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> I don't know of any. Maybe someone else does.
>
> You could use any product that your installation runs and install it into 
> your own data sets. That will get you practice applying, accepting, 
> restoring, rejecting, etc. And if you get stuck, you can blow it all away and 
> start over.
>
> Or you could build your own product. You don't need much. Just a load module, 
> maybe a source to generate it. The result doesn't even have to do anything. 
> But if you create a function sysmod (FMID) and apply it, you will learn a lot 
> more.
>
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 23:36:22 +0400, Jake Anderson  
> wrote:
>
> >Is there any freeware product which can be installed using SMP/e.
>
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Re: Free SMPE product to just practice

[Tom Marchant]

I don't know of any. Maybe someone else does.

You could use any product that your installation runs and install it into your 
own data sets. That will get you practice applying, accepting, restoring, 
rejecting, etc. And if you get stuck, you can blow it all away and start over.

Or you could build your own product. You don't need much. Just a load module, 
maybe a source to generate it. The result doesn't even have to do anything. But 
if you create a function sysmod (FMID) and apply it, you will learn a lot more.

On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 23:36:22 +0400, Jake Anderson  
wrote:

>Is there any freeware product which can be installed using SMP/e.

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Free SMPE product to just practice

[Jake Anderson]

Hello

Good morning

Is there any freeware product which can be installed using SMP/e.

Any pointers are appreciated

Jake

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Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!

[Bill Johnson]

It’s already passed yours.


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Yours included?

On 2023-09-14 13:29, Bill Johnson wrote:
> AI will surpass human intelligence.
>
> https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/14/softbanks-masayoshi-son-says-tech-can-surpass-human-intelligence.html
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Yours included?

On 2023-09-14 13:29, Bill Johnson wrote:

AI will surpass human intelligence.

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Building AMODE 31 Assembler DLL

[Eric Erickson]

I've found a bunch of information on creating AMODE 64 Assembler DLLs, but 
having much luck in finding any information about creating AMODE31 Assembler 
DLLs. 

I've got a bunch of LE enabled assembler helper routines that I call from C, I 
want to package these all as a DLL so that I can share the code between load 
modules and not have to statically link them. But as I've stated, not having 
much luck in finding information on doing this for AMODE 31. In fact my biggest 
question that I can not seem to find the info about in the manual, is if I have 
an assembler routine, how do I specify that I want the entry point exported 
when I do the bind. Without the export I don't get the side-deck created with 
the import statements. 


Ultimately I would like to take these routines and package them with my AMODE 
31 C DLL routines as a mixed C/Assembler DLL for sharing between my load 
modules. 

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RDE=YES in IEASYSxx

[Mark Jacobs]

Outside of writing an IPL record to logrec and issuing an IFB010D message 
during IPL, what does enabling the reliability data extractor feature do? The 
FM(s) didn't go into much detail.

Mark Jacobs

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AI will surpass human intelligence!

[Bill Johnson]

AI will surpass human intelligence.

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Re: Commands from systsin

[Joseph Reichman]

Think we went thru this 

There are a number of Zpdt users out there like me who have the personal
edition and most them do authorized code 

Being a businessman you can determine 

What the price would be and if it would be worth your while I'm sure I
wouldn't be the only one who would be willing to buy it 

Thank you 



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At 9/13/2023 12:52 PM, Joseph Reichman wrote:
>But I want to debug the function routine under TEST/TESTAUTH

Joe, If we offered an inexpensive "personal License" for z/XDC, Would you be
interested?

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Re: Commands from systsin

[Joseph Reichman]

I want to set a breakpoint via TEST/TESTAUTH to debug it test is particular as 
to what type of storage you can set a breakpoint

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Why does it have to be in your private storage?
What is wrong with CSVDYLPA?

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On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 08:03:25 -0400, Joseph Reichman  
wrote:

>I would like to debug my subsystem function under TESTAUTH towards that end
>I need it in private storage for the duration of my time logged on to TSO
>in between sessions of TESTAUTH I’m schedirb to load the routine and have
>the TCB ptr point to IKJEFT01 aka TCBJSTCB
>
>On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 7:27 AM Peter Relson  wrote:
>
>> Please stay away from LOAD GLOBAL=YES. In almost all circumstances where
>> the loading address space can terminate, this can lead to a system
>> integrity exposure. Specifically, you would have to be able to ensure with
>> 100% certainty that no program in any other address space is executing
>> within "your module" at the point that "your address space" terminates
>> since at that point the storage would be freed.
>>
>> That is why CSVDYLPA is a better choice usually. And that has additional
>> diagnostic advantages.
>> Or, less good but better than LOAD GLOBAL=YES, LOAD with ADDR= where the
>> storage you obtained is in common storage.
>>
>> In neither of the latter choices would the system ever free the storage
>> automatically.
>>
>> Peter Relson
>> z/OS Core Technology Design

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Re: Commands from systsin

[Tom Marchant]

Why does it have to be in your private storage?
What is wrong with CSVDYLPA?

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On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 08:03:25 -0400, Joseph Reichman  
wrote:

>I would like to debug my subsystem function under TESTAUTH towards that end
>I need it in private storage for the duration of my time logged on to TSO
>in between sessions of TESTAUTH I’m schedirb to load the routine and have
>the TCB ptr point to IKJEFT01 aka TCBJSTCB
>
>On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 7:27 AM Peter Relson  wrote:
>
>> Please stay away from LOAD GLOBAL=YES. In almost all circumstances where
>> the loading address space can terminate, this can lead to a system
>> integrity exposure. Specifically, you would have to be able to ensure with
>> 100% certainty that no program in any other address space is executing
>> within "your module" at the point that "your address space" terminates
>> since at that point the storage would be freed.
>>
>> That is why CSVDYLPA is a better choice usually. And that has additional
>> diagnostic advantages.
>> Or, less good but better than LOAD GLOBAL=YES, LOAD with ADDR= where the
>> storage you obtained is in common storage.
>>
>> In neither of the latter choices would the system ever free the storage
>> automatically.
>>
>> Peter Relson
>> z/OS Core Technology Design

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Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

[Bill Johnson]

While the term AI was coined in 1956, real AI has just begun. Read the Harvard 
history of AI. Especially the segment called “The Future”.

https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/history-artificial-intelligence/




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 wrote:

The field of AI research was founded at a workshop 
 at Dartmouth College 
 in 1956.^[r] 
 
^[2] 

 
The attendees became the leaders of AI research in the 1960s.^[s] 
 
They and their students produced programs that the press described as 
"astonishing":^[t] 
 
computers were learning checkers 
 strategies, solving word 
problems in algebra, proving logical theorems 
 and speaking English.^[u] 
 
^[3] 

 


By the middle of the 1960s, research in the U.S. was heavily funded by 
the Department of Defense ^[207] 
 
and laboratories had been established around the world.^[208] 

 
Herbert Simon  
predicted, "machines will be capable, within twenty years, of doing any 
work a man can do".^[209] 
 
Marvin Minsky  agreed, 
writing, "within a generation ... the problem of creating 'artificial 
intelligence' will substantially be solved".^[210] 



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Am 14.09.2023 um 01:37 schrieb Bill Johnson:
> AI, real AI, isn’t even a year old. I’m betting the next 3-5 decades will see 
> it become the most powerful advancement in IT history.
>
> https://www.3dbear.io/blog/the-impact-of-ai-how-artificial-intelligence-is-transforming-society
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Re: Commands from systsin

[Joseph Reichman]

I would like to debug my subsystem function under TESTAUTH towards that end
I need it in private storage for the duration of my time logged on to TSO
in between sessions of TESTAUTH I’m schedirb to load the routine and have
the TCB ptr point to IKJEFT01 aka TCBJSTCB

Thanks



On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 7:27 AM Peter Relson  wrote:

> Please stay away from LOAD GLOBAL=YES. In almost all circumstances where
> the loading address space can terminate, this can lead to a system
> integrity exposure. Specifically, you would have to be able to ensure with
> 100% certainty that no program in any other address space is executing
> within "your module" at the point that "your address space" terminates
> since at that point the storage would be freed.
>
> That is why CSVDYLPA is a better choice usually. And that has additional
> diagnostic advantages.
> Or, less good but better than LOAD GLOBAL=YES, LOAD with ADDR= where the
> storage you obtained is in common storage.
>
> In neither of the latter choices would the system ever free the storage
> automatically.
>
> Peter Relson
> z/OS Core Technology Design
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Re: Commands from systsin

[Peter Relson]

Please stay away from LOAD GLOBAL=YES. In almost all circumstances where the 
loading address space can terminate, this can lead to a system integrity 
exposure. Specifically, you would have to be able to ensure with 100% certainty 
that no program in any other address space is executing within "your module" at 
the point that "your address space" terminates since at that point the storage 
would be freed.

That is why CSVDYLPA is a better choice usually. And that has additional 
diagnostic advantages.
Or, less good but better than LOAD GLOBAL=YES, LOAD with ADDR= where the 
storage you obtained is in common storage.

In neither of the latter choices would the system ever free the storage 
automatically.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design


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Re: Assembler, was: AI expert hot new position

[Bernd Oppolzer]

The field of AI research was founded at a workshop 
 at Dartmouth College 
 in 1956.^[r] 
 
^[2] 
 
The attendees became the leaders of AI research in the 1960s.^[s] 
 
They and their students produced programs that the press described as 
"astonishing":^[t] 
 
computers were learning checkers 
 strategies, solving word 
problems in algebra, proving logical theorems 
 and speaking English.^[u] 
 
^[3] 
 



By the middle of the 1960s, research in the U.S. was heavily funded by 
the Department of Defense ^[207] 
 
and laboratories had been established around the world.^[208] 
 
Herbert Simon  
predicted, "machines will be capable, within twenty years, of doing any 
work a man can do".^[209] 
 
Marvin Minsky  agreed, 
writing, "within a generation ... the problem of creating 'artificial 
intelligence' will substantially be solved".^[210] 




^

Am 14.09.2023 um 01:37 schrieb Bill Johnson:

AI, real AI, isn’t even a year old. I’m betting the next 3-5 decades will see 
it become the most powerful advancement in IT history.

https://www.3dbear.io/blog/the-impact-of-ai-how-artificial-intelligence-is-transforming-society




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Re: Commands from systsin

[Colin Paice]

Would a *home-address-space-level name/token pair*

name token work?

On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 11:24, David Cole  wrote:

> At 9/13/2023 11:12 AM, Joe wrote:
> >Seems then the only to do what I want is schedule an IRB with the
> >TCB being IKJEFT01
>
> Thank might work.
>
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Re: Commands from systsin

[David Cole]

At 9/13/2023 12:52 PM, Joseph Reichman wrote:

But I want to debug the function routine under TEST/TESTAUTH


Joe, If we offered an inexpensive "personal License" for z/XDC, Would 
you be interested?


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Re: Commands from systsin

[David Cole]

At 9/13/2023 11:12 AM, Joe wrote:
Seems then the only to do what I want is schedule an IRB with the 
TCB being IKJEFT01


Thank might work.

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Re: Commands from systsin

[David Cole]

WRT "Dave.C, may you live forever"... I'll drink to that!






At 9/13/2023 04:01 PM, Steve Thompson wrote:

Noobies who don't want to know history and the like, just delete this
As to z/XDC and priv code and/or key zero 
storage -- oh the ease and joy of not being 
forced to use TEST Auth. Or having to set some SLIP, get a dump, or do SNAPs...
I wish I could be cursed with having to use 
z/XDC again. Stepping through code But don't 
do that on a production machine -- sand box only 
(for setting traps in LPA and the like. Yes, you 
can set traps in SVCs and PCs and the like) -- 
just be very careful or you can kill the system 
right out from under you (read the very good 
manual, it lists things you do at your own risk).
I can't tell you how much I enjoyed XDC, and 
then z/XDC. Dave.C, may you live forever.

Steve Thompson
On 9/13/2023 3:40 PM, Tom Marchant wrote:

only TESTAUTH let’s you debug code with PSW bit 15 being 0

Obviously you haven't tried z/XDC.


All I want is to debug a program that was preloaded under a different TCB
Have you considered using CSVDYLPA to load in 
into dynamic LPA? Probably overkill for your 
purposes, but you can do it so that it will stay after task termination.

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