Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

[Andrew Rowley]

On 21/05/2024 12:50 am, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:


The only thing I still cannot do is to convince my students the 
z/OS<->PC data exchange is easy and well tooled.


It will never be easy due to complications from EBCDIC and record 
structure. Even IBM frequently gets it wrong.


There are new tools, e.g. I have been experimenting with Zowe CLI. It's 
worth trying for file transfer and can create new datasets, PDS etc. It 
only requires z/OSMF on the mainframe, i.e. nothing to install there - 
only configuration.


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Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 21 May 2024 00:03:54 +, Farley, Peter  wrote:
>
>However, caveat emptor – if your default TSO profile sets the PROFILE 
>parameter to your user ID, that “cd pds.library” command will fail because it 
>does not start with HLQ = your user ID.
>
IBM allows but discourages TSO prefix different from User ID.  Regardless,
some sites do so to mitigate catalog alias bloat.

And some facilities, I believe /bin/cp is one, don;t query the RACF TSO segment
but use the anyway.  What does FTP server(?) do?

Must one have a TSO segment to use FTP?

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Re: Program to split a jobs output

[Ed Jaffe]

On 4/9/2024 5:59 PM, David Spiegel wrote:

Hi Bob,
They were going to let it go, but, apparently Triangle Systems bought 
it in November '23.

Sorry for any increase in blood pressure.


That's backwards. Triangle (Jim Ott) had been the owner/developer 
forever and it was distributed by Fischer International.


At first Triangle issued a press release stating IOF was going to be 
sunset as a product.


Later, Triangle issued a press release extended IOF's end of life target 
date and stating it was looking for qualified buyers for IOF.


Eventually, Triangle issued a press release stating that Fischer had 
acquired IOF from them.


https://www.triangle-systems.com/images/Fischer_Acquires_IOF.pdf


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Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

[Farley, Peter]

Windows command line ftp client also accepts a “command file input” (-s option) 
so you can fill that file with any commands you need and then feed it to the 
ftp client.

However, caveat emptor – if your default TSO profile sets the PROFILE parameter 
to your user ID, that “cd pds.library” command will fail because it does not 
start with HLQ = your user ID.

Peter

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That's what I do all the time, too ... a little more info:



ftp 

/* mvs asks for user and password */

/* I am now at "USER01." ... if my TSO-ID is USER01 */

cd ..

/* I am now at "" ... top level */

cd pds.library

/* I get an answer like "pds.library is a partitioned data set" */

prompt

ascii

mget *

/* now all the members of 'pds.library' are transferred to the local

directory  */

bye



To do that more easily, I issue all those commands from REXX procedures

using the

console stack; some FTP clients allow the user and password issued from

the cmd line

(you can use free REXX interpreters like Regina REXX or Object REXX for

Windows to do that).

The REXX procedures are called by small CMD files (so that they can be

called easily from the cmd line).



Examples:



rmemb testpgm.pas pascaln.testpgm.src

smemb testpgm.pas pascaln.testpgm.src

rlib pascaln.testpgm.src



/* rmemb = receive member, smemb = send member, rlib = receive library */



Kind regards



Bernd





Am 20.05.2024 um 16:54 schrieb Schmitt, Michael:

> And ordinary command line FTP. For example, Windows:

>

> prompt

> ascii

> quote site notrail

> mget *

>

>

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Re: zOSMF - Installing z/OS 3.1 Observations

[Jousma, David]

We have a sms storclas called scnosms that our team can code so that we can 
direct allocations where we want.

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Hey so my SMS coding of ACS routines needs work, but does anyone know if you 
can code this? FILTLIST SYS1 INCLUDE(SYS1. **. #) So that I can code around the 
new z/OSMF removal of the SSA specification? Since IBM has determined the new 
method


Hey so my SMS coding of ACS routines needs work, but does anyone know if you 
can code this?

FILTLIST  SYS1 INCLUDE(SYS1.**.#)   So that I can code 
around the new z/OSMF removal of the SSA specification?

Since IBM has determined the new method just adds a  .# to the end of every 
dataset for allocation?

Ms Terri E Shaffer
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z/OS Support:
ACIWorldwide – Telecommuter
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Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

[Bernd Oppolzer]

That's what I do all the time, too ... a little more info:

ftp 
/* mvs asks for user and password */
/* I am now at "USER01." ... if my TSO-ID is USER01 */
cd ..
/* I am now at "" ... top level */
cd pds.library
/* I get an answer like "pds.library is a partitioned data set" */
prompt
ascii
mget *
/* now all the members of 'pds.library' are transferred to the local 
directory  */

bye

To do that more easily, I issue all those commands from REXX procedures 
using the
console stack; some FTP clients allow the user and password issued from 
the cmd line
(you can use free REXX interpreters like Regina REXX or Object REXX for 
Windows to do that).
The REXX procedures are called by small CMD files (so that they can be 
called easily from the cmd line).


Examples:

rmemb testpgm.pas pascaln.testpgm.src
smemb testpgm.pas pascaln.testpgm.src
rlib pascaln.testpgm.src

/* rmemb = receive member, smemb = send member, rlib = receive library */

Kind regards

Bernd


Am 20.05.2024 um 16:54 schrieb Schmitt, Michael:

And ordinary command line FTP. For example, Windows:

prompt
ascii
quote site notrail
mget *




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Re: IBM System Automation LISTSERV

[Klein, Kevin]

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Thanks Doug.
I'm checking it now.   
P.S.  Freaked me out a little to get this response from you.

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https://groups.io/g/SAUsers

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I just got back on.
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Kevin Klein
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Re: zOSMF - Installing z/OS 3.1 Observations

[Shaffer, Terri]

Hey so my SMS coding of ACS routines needs work, but does anyone know if you 
can code this?

FILTLIST  SYS1 INCLUDE(SYS1.**.#)   So that I can code 
around the new z/OSMF removal of the SSA specification?

Since IBM has determined the new method just adds a  .# to the end of every 
dataset for allocation?

Ms Terri E Shaffer
Senior Systems Engineer,
z/OS Support:
ACIWorldwide – Telecommuter
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Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 20 May 2024 16:50:13 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:

>It is not matter of belief. I just performed a test.
>FTP GUI from IBM, part of PCOMM.
>Note, it is IBM. More: it is part of PCOMM. They know z/OS, etc.
>1. I tried to move/copy some directory.
>2. I tried to create a directory on host side.
>
>In both case a PDS was created. I cannot choose RECFM, LRECL, directory
>blocks, primary or secondary space. That should end the story.
>In case #1 none of files was transmitted because the name was not
>conforming member naming rules. Hint: it is very rare to have such files
>(no extension) in Windows.
>
I have used a GUI FTP client which supported a subcommand such as
"Send Command" which supported
SITE space, attributes
SBDATACONN
but that's abandoning GUI and reverting to command line.

I'm inclined not to "shoot the messenger" but to blame MVS for
o Absurdly limited namespace.
o Requirement to specify SPACE and attributes on directories.

I feel DSFS might be a step in the wrong direction.  Rather than
supporting Classic data sets in UNIX, why not better support
UNIX files in Classic utilities.
HLASM, for example supports UNIX directories for SYSLIB.  Why
not similarly for SYSEXEC, STEPLIB, Binder SYSLIB, ...?

>In any case when you download a PDS to PC and upload it again to (maybe
>another) z/OS image you will get *different* thing.
>Maybe it would be sufficient for test members with "this is a test"
>content, but definitely not for source code of binary content.
>
>Oh, did I mention there is no choice of codepages?
>
(Less problem for us anglophones. :-)

>Of course I know how to use XMIT... but again - how to edit the content
>on PC side? I assume it is regular text content. Just change HLQ is some
>job, one of many.
>
It ought to be possible from a desktop client to request that the
z/OS server create or extract such a NETDATA package.

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Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

[Schmitt, Michael]

And ordinary command line FTP. For example, Windows:

prompt
ascii
quote site notrail
mget *

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Bluezone FTP lets you copy the entire PDS to a directory on your PC and change 
from EBCDIC to ASCII.  I have been using it for years.

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Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

It is not matter of belief. I just performed a test.
FTP GUI from IBM, part of PCOMM.
Note, it is IBM. More: it is part of PCOMM. They know z/OS, etc.
1. I tried to move/copy some directory.
2. I tried to create a directory on host side.

In both case a PDS was created. I cannot choose RECFM, LRECL, directory 
blocks, primary or secondary space. That should end the story.
In case #1 none of files was transmitted because the name was not 
conforming member naming rules. Hint: it is very rare to have such files 
(no extension) in Windows.


In any case when you download a PDS to PC and upload it again to (maybe 
another) z/OS image you will get *different* thing.
Maybe it would be sufficient for test members with "this is a test" 
content, but definitely not for source code of binary content.


Oh, did I mention there is no choice of codepages?

Of course I know how to use XMIT... but again - how to edit the content 
on PC side? I assume it is regular text content. Just change HLQ is some 
job, one of many.


I can manage all of such issues, but I am definitely not a newbie.
The only thing I still cannot do is to convince my students the 
z/OS<->PC data exchange is easy and well tooled.



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W dniu 20.05.2024 o 16:26, Tony Thigpen pisze:
I can't believe you put a GUI FTP client in a list of not-acceptable 
options. If that does not work for you, you are just too picky.


Tony Thigpen

Radoslaw Skorupka wrote on 5/19/24 3:07 PM:

Which platform? ALL. That means Windows, Linux and Mac.
We can omit OS/2 or VMS or DG-UX or QNX or etc.

Which codepages? All. Let's say all supported by z/OS when using FTP 
or iconv.


FTP GUI clients? Yet another XMIT viewer? Both do not satisfy all the 
needs.
Last but not least - nowadays it is harder and harder to manage 
permissions for installation of some homegrown piece of software. It 
is quite feasible to convince security guys to get permission for 
installation of IBM product, downloadable from IBM site, but try the 
same with XMIT manager downloadable from... "the page does no longer 
exists, but you know, there is some freeware page, called 
cbttape...". Yes, it is much harder. BTDT.



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W dniu 18.05.2024 o 23:32, Paul Gilmartin pisze:

On Sat, 18 May 2024 23:15:26 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka  wrote:

    ...
Yes, we have some freeware XMIT viewers, we have some homegrown REXX
scripts, etc.


for which desktop target platforms?


But it is continuous reinventing the wheel.
IMHO it is up to IBM to assign few folks for few weeks to prepare such
tools. It need not to be officially supported.
IBM invest a lot of effort in z/OSMF and other "modernization", but 
such

simple things like PDS to directory are still left.


for which desktop target platforms?

But if it's  Java, it might be nonpartisan.



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Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

[Tony Thigpen]

I can't believe you put a GUI FTP client in a list of not-acceptable 
options. If that does not work for you, you are just too picky.


Tony Thigpen

Radoslaw Skorupka wrote on 5/19/24 3:07 PM:

Which platform? ALL. That means Windows, Linux and Mac.
We can omit OS/2 or VMS or DG-UX or QNX or etc.

Which codepages? All. Let's say all supported by z/OS when using FTP or 
iconv.


FTP GUI clients? Yet another XMIT viewer? Both do not satisfy all the 
needs.
Last but not least - nowadays it is harder and harder to manage 
permissions for installation of some homegrown piece of software. It is 
quite feasible to convince security guys to get permission for 
installation of IBM product, downloadable from IBM site, but try the 
same with XMIT manager downloadable from... "the page does no longer 
exists, but you know, there is some freeware page, called cbttape...". 
Yes, it is much harder. BTDT.



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W dniu 18.05.2024 o 23:32, Paul Gilmartin pisze:

On Sat, 18 May 2024 23:15:26 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka  wrote:

    ...
Yes, we have some freeware XMIT viewers, we have some homegrown REXX
scripts, etc.


for which desktop target platforms?


But it is continuous reinventing the wheel.
IMHO it is up to IBM to assign few folks for few weeks to prepare such
tools. It need not to be officially supported.
IBM invest a lot of effort in z/OSMF and other "modernization", but such
simple things like PDS to directory are still left.


for which desktop target platforms?

But if it's  Java, it might be nonpartisan.



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Re: Dump Analysis Best Training / Documentation

[Mike Shaw]

Steve,

The regs and PSW as they were when SVC dump got control are in the SDUMP 4K
buffer, which is pointed to by the field at X'24C' into the CVT (CVTSDBF).

 In IPCS option one while browsing storage, type this on the command line:

L 10?+24C?

to display that area. The PSW and regs in the order zero through 15 are
there with eyecatchers in front of them.  I usually cut that display and
save it in a file on my PC for later reference during dump analysis.

As Tom pointed out, the system trace table's contents may help you find a
loop pattern.

Option 2 and then option 4 from the IPCS main menu will provide a formatted
control block set (TCBs, RBs) for the active address space. The RTM2WA and
the TCB summary appear at the bottom of that display and contain very
useful information.

If you have MVS/QuickRef installed, you can type

QW  SYSTRACE

to see documentation on the format of the system trace table entries. We
also carry syntax descriptions for all of the IPCS commands in the
database; type this under ISPF to see a list of IPCS commands:

QW  L=V  P='Z/OS IPCS COMMANDS'

Mike Shaw
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On Sun, May 19, 2024, 9:41 PM Steve Estle <
05dcac13570d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> Way back in the day I used to read dumps fairly handily in the MVS/XA
> era.  But have been away for so long I know things have evolved but appears
> everything is basically still intact relative to ASCB to PRB
> relationships.  I'm working on a hang/loop condition that prevents started
> task from being stopped normally (P STC) and have taken SVC dump and want
> to interpret it.  I'm somewhat fluent with IPCS and can bring up via
> panels, but from there am struggling with where to go to identify where the
> hang/loop condition is happening.
>
> Any shares of doc, presentations, tips, etc. are much appreciated as I
> still think this is one of the lost arts that in the end to be a top notch
> systems programmer you need to be able to interpret.  I know IBM used to
> teach whole classes on this but believe much of that has gone way of dodo
> bird...
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Steve Estle
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Re: Dump Analysis Best Training / Documentation

[Tom Marchant]

For a loop, IP SYSTRACE PERFDATA (DOWHERE) can help.

On Mon, 20 May 2024 04:54:24 -0400, Tom Harper  
wrote:

>Steve,
>
>For a loop, check out the system trace. 
>
>Tom Harper 
>
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>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 19, 2024, at 9:41 PM, Steve Estle 
>> <05dcac13570d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> Way back in the day I used to read dumps fairly handily in the MVS/XA era.  
>> But have been away for so long I know things have evolved but appears 
>> everything is basically still intact relative to ASCB to PRB relationships.  
>> I'm working on a hang/loop condition that prevents started task from being 
>> stopped normally (P STC) and have taken SVC dump and want to interpret it.  
>> I'm somewhat fluent with IPCS and can bring up via panels, but from there am 
>> struggling with where to go to identify where the hang/loop condition is 
>> happening.  
>> 
>> Any shares of doc, presentations, tips, etc. are much appreciated as I still 
>> think this is one of the lost arts that in the end to be a top notch systems 
>> programmer you need to be able to interpret.  I know IBM used to teach whole 
>> classes on this but believe much of that has gone way of dodo bird...
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Steve Estle

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Re: Dump Analysis Best Training / Documentation

[Robert Shimizu]

Folks:

Bob Shimizu here (again).  Putting on my business co-owner hat, I'll 
briefly mention that Cole Software's dump/XDC product extends this 
powerful debugger's capabilities into the world of dump-reading.


dump/XDC runs as a Verbexit to IPCS, which allows you to have BOTH IPCS 
and z/XDC's commands available to you.  We also provide source-code 
mapping in both Assembler and C languages, and we provide over 1000 IBM 
control block maps (in ADATA format) for use in analyzing a dump.


Thanks for your time.

Back to my lurking,
Bob

On 5/19/24 6:41 PM, Steve Estle wrote:

Hello All,

Way back in the day I used to read dumps fairly handily in the MVS/XA era.  But 
have been away for so long I know things have evolved but appears everything is 
basically still intact relative to ASCB to PRB relationships.  I'm working on a 
hang/loop condition that prevents started task from being stopped normally (P 
STC) and have taken SVC dump and want to interpret it.  I'm somewhat fluent 
with IPCS and can bring up via panels, but from there am struggling with where 
to go to identify where the hang/loop condition is happening.

Any shares of doc, presentations, tips, etc. are much appreciated as I still 
think this is one of the lost arts that in the end to be a top notch systems 
programmer you need to be able to interpret.  I know IBM used to teach whole 
classes on this but believe much of that has gone way of dodo bird...

Thanks in advance.

Steve Estle

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Re: Refresh RMFGAT collection settings

[Mark Jacobs]

Thanks. That worked.

Mark Jacobs 

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On Saturday, May 18th, 2024 at 1:58 PM, Michael Oujesky 
 wrote:

> Correct syntax:
> F RMF,F III,MEMBER(04)
> Michael
> 
> At 09:15 PM 5/15/2024, Michael Oujesky wrote:
> 
> > Off the top of my head:
> > 
> > F RMF,F III,M=04
> > 
> > At 08:27 PM 5/15/2024, Mark Jacobs wrote:
> > 
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64If I make changes to ERBRMF04 is
> > > there any way to refresh what's being collected without restarting RMFGAT?
> > > 
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Re: Dump Analysis Best Training / Documentation

[Steve Estle]

Seymour,

I do not have access to Share proceedings unfortunately.

Thanks,

Steve Estle

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Re: Dump Analysis Best Training / Documentation

[Binyamin Dissen]

Well, is it a hang or a loop? Do a few 

 D J,jobname

to see if the CPU is going up.

Then issue the DUMP command to trap it. 

If a loop, look at the system trace table. It may be constantly reissuing an
SVC, such as not clearing an ECB and reissuing the WAIT (yes, I have done
that). Or you will see a lot of clock interrupts indicating a harder loop but
you will see the PSW location.

If a WAIT, you will need to examine the various tasks to see why. Will be more
complex.



On Sun, 19 May 2024 20:41:51 -0500 Steve Estle
<05dcac13570d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

:>Hello All,
:>
:>Way back in the day I used to read dumps fairly handily in the MVS/XA era.  
But have been away for so long I know things have evolved but appears 
everything is basically still intact relative to ASCB to PRB relationships.  
I'm working on a hang/loop condition that prevents started task from being 
stopped normally (P STC) and have taken SVC dump and want to interpret it.  I'm 
somewhat fluent with IPCS and can bring up via panels, but from there am 
struggling with where to go to identify where the hang/loop condition is 
happening.  
:>
:>Any shares of doc, presentations, tips, etc. are much appreciated as I still 
think this is one of the lost arts that in the end to be a top notch systems 
programmer you need to be able to interpret.  I know IBM used to teach whole 
classes on this but believe much of that has gone way of dodo bird...
:>
:>Thanks in advance.
:>
:>Steve Estle
:>
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Re: Dump Analysis Best Training / Documentation

[Tom Harper]

Steve,

For a loop, check out the system trace. 

Tom Harper 

Phoenix Software International 
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> On May 19, 2024, at 9:41 PM, Steve Estle 
> <05dcac13570d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Way back in the day I used to read dumps fairly handily in the MVS/XA era.  
> But have been away for so long I know things have evolved but appears 
> everything is basically still intact relative to ASCB to PRB relationships.  
> I'm working on a hang/loop condition that prevents started task from being 
> stopped normally (P STC) and have taken SVC dump and want to interpret it.  
> I'm somewhat fluent with IPCS and can bring up via panels, but from there am 
> struggling with where to go to identify where the hang/loop condition is 
> happening.  
> 
> Any shares of doc, presentations, tips, etc. are much appreciated as I still 
> think this is one of the lost arts that in the end to be a top notch systems 
> programmer you need to be able to interpret.  I know IBM used to teach whole 
> classes on this but believe much of that has gone way of dodo bird...
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Steve Estle
> 
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