Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: "A Rexx" (or "A REXX")
Yes, and "mic". And "perq" not "perk" (it's short for "perquisite"). Not
sure I've ever written "nuc", though, come to think of it.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of
Seymour J Metz
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 11:42
Back in my Army days there was an interesting bit of nomenclature; you were
never to refer to a shoulder-fired rifle as a gun, although artillery rifles
and automatic rifles were called guns. There is even an urban legend about a
poem (used by Kubrick) that recruits are forced to recite if they use the
wrong word, although I never heard it in boot camp.
AFAIK all branches of the military use the term gun for pistols and for
naval artillery.
Disc versus disk, anybody?
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Shmuel says it differently but I think he and I agree. I value clarity in
writing, and therefore I like words that make distinctions clear. I adopted
"whom" once I understood it. I use "datum" (and also "criterion",
"bacterium" and the like). I eventually learned the difference between
"compose" and "comprise". I don't "reverence" something, I revere it. I
fire a gun but shoot the target. I stanch the wound of a staunch friend.
And so on.
This tempts me to snobbery ("knowledge puffeth up", the Bible warns us).
Nevertheless.
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Seymour J Metz
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 07:55
Youy can't do only one thing. The ignorance of correct usage leads to
circumlocutions by people who don't know the form "datum". Eschew
obfuscation.
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: "A Rexx" (or "A REXX")
Back in my Army days there was an interesting bit of nomenclature; you were
never to refer to a shoulder-fired rifle as a gun, although artillery rifles
and automatic rifles were called guns. There is even an urban legend about a
poem (used by Kubrick) that recruits are forced to recite if they use the wrong
word, although I never heard it in boot camp.
AFAIK all branches of the military use the term gun for pistols and for naval
artillery.
Disc versus disk, anybody?
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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: "A Rexx" (or "A REXX")
Shmuel says it differently but I think he and I agree. I value clarity in
writing, and therefore I like words that make distinctions clear. I adopted
"whom" once I understood it. I use "datum" (and also "criterion",
"bacterium" and the like). I eventually learned the difference between
"compose" and "comprise". I don't "reverence" something, I revere it. I
fire a gun but shoot the target. I stanch the wound of a staunch friend.
And so on.
This tempts me to snobbery ("knowledge puffeth up", the Bible warns us).
Nevertheless.
---
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/* An armed society is a polite society. -Robert A. Heinlein */
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of
Seymour J Metz
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 07:55
Youy can't do only one thing. The ignorance of correct usage leads to
circumlocutions by people who don't know the form "datum". Eschew
obfuscation.
From: Nash, Jonathan S. [01abdcef2f3c-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 7:50 AM
Yes but we arent Romans so I think its acceptable to use data for a single
piece of data. If enough people use a word incorectly doesnt it become
acceptable?
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: "A Rexx" (or "A REXX")
Shmuel says it differently but I think he and I agree. I value clarity in
writing, and therefore I like words that make distinctions clear. I adopted
"whom" once I understood it. I use "datum" (and also "criterion",
"bacterium" and the like). I eventually learned the difference between
"compose" and "comprise". I don't "reverence" something, I revere it. I
fire a gun but shoot the target. I stanch the wound of a staunch friend.
And so on.
This tempts me to snobbery ("knowledge puffeth up", the Bible warns us).
Nevertheless.
---
Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
/* An armed society is a polite society. -Robert A. Heinlein */
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of
Seymour J Metz
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 07:55
Youy can't do only one thing. The ignorance of correct usage leads to
circumlocutions by people who don't know the form "datum". Eschew
obfuscation.
From: Nash, Jonathan S. [01abdcef2f3c-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 7:50 AM
Yes but we arent Romans so I think its acceptable to use data for a single
piece of data. If enough people use a word incorectly doesnt it become
acceptable?
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: "A Rexx" (or "A REXX")
I see where the cringe-worthiness comes from though, seems to me that "I wrote a Rexx" is akin to "I wrote a Cobol". You write a program or an exec in Rexx. My $.02. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 9:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: "A Rexx" (or "A REXX") I'm sorry, guys, but I write a REXX (or an exec) all the time. I'd never heard before that this is cringe-worthy. And yes, now that I think about it, I used to write a CLIST, so it probably transferred. I never write a PL/1 or a VBA. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* I was never ruined but twice: once when I lost a lawsuit, and once when I won one. -Voltaire */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 06:59 While I cringe at "a REXX" or "a software", "an EXEC" doesn't bother me. I'm not sure why. Saying "a CLIST" is perfectly reasonable if you know that the name refers too a command list. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Gord Tomlin [gt.ibm.li...@actionsoftware.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 6:17 PM Whether it's right or wrong, it drives me nuts. Nobody says "a bash", "a PowerShell", "a Java", "a C++", etc. To be fair people did say "a CLIST", and when they replaced CLIST [programs] with Rexx [programs] it was probably logical to them to replace the word they used to describe them at the same time. A related pet peeve: "a software". Nobody but nobody says "a hardware". --- On 2022-06-07 17:58 PM, Phil Smith III wrote: > Rexx came to TSO and people there often say "A Rexx" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: "A Rexx" (or "A REXX")
No!! Or, actually, yes, but only if it was commonly enough used by the time I first heard the term that I got used to it. If you try to change it after that, it's too late. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Many people struggle to learn how to pray because they are focusing on praying, not on GodIn prayer, focusing on the conversation is like trying to drive while looking at the windshield instead of through it. -from "A Praying Life" by Paul E Miller */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Nash, Jonathan S. Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 07:50 Yes but we arent Romans so I think its acceptable to use data for a single piece of data. If enough people use a word incorectly doesnt it become acceptable? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2022 6:36 AM This abuse of latin-derived plurals leads to such obscenities as "piece of data" where "datum" would suffice and "medias". -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: "A Rexx" (or "A REXX")
Bob, Or maybe people are mixing it up and actually trying to say a troupe of troops. OK, I'll go back to lurking before I'm tempted to say something about "I'm a Rex, that other thing is a 'Rexx exec'". Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 11:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: "A Rexx" (or "A REXX") Yes, I believe in the military one soldier is indeed considered one troop. It's only civilians who use "troop" to mean "a lot". Come to think of it, maybe it's only civilians who use the term "a troop of soldiers". (Of course, I may be wrong. It's already June; I'm ahead of my quota, so I can afford another error this month before I have to start worrying.) LOL, I once accidentally left a book at church. I was pretty sure I knew where I'd left it, so I just planned on picking it up the next time I was in that hallway. But a friend returned it to me first. I usually put my name in my books, but I hadn't gotten around to doing it in this one yet. It was a book that a number of us were using for study - so how (I asked) did he know this one was mine? "Well, I wasn't sure", he said. "But I noticed on page 37 someone had crossed out 'criteria' and written in 'criterion'...". My sister loves that story. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* It has been decreed, somewhere or other, that the sexes are not only equal but barely distinguishable, so that any differences between them are due to untold centuries of male domination. Of course the very fact that men have dominated women so utterly throughout recorded history might be considered prima facie evidence of male superiority -Joseph Sobran */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 23:48 A commentator once wondered, "If '1000 troops' means 1000 soldiers, is one soldier a 'troop'?" My pet peeves have long included "media is" and "data is". And, more recently, by professionals who should know better, "bacteria is". -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: "A Rexx" (or "A REXX")
Youy can't do only one thing. The ignorance of correct usage leads to circumlocutions by people who don't know the form "datum". Eschew obfuscation. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Nash, Jonathan S. [01abdcef2f3c-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 7:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: "A Rexx" (or "A REXX") Yes but we arent Romans so I think its acceptable to use data for a single piece of data. If enough people use a word incorectly doesnt it become acceptable? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2022 6:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: "A Rexx" (or "A REXX") This abuse of latin-derived plurals leads to such obsenities as "piece of data" where "datum" would suffice and "medias". "Why can't the English learn to speak?";was that in Pygmalian, or added for My Fair Lady? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Tom Brennan [t...@tombrennansoftware.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 10:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: "A Rexx" (or "A REXX") I heard that one on a radio advertisement the other day, something like, "All your payroll needs in a single software." Hurts my ears :) https://secure-web.cisco.com/18LoKSoFQLDdgDpWSrqpP8I8ItBv9rPy-lalBn_vk_oddbA5o3ZCljiTF9JQTiDhVZN40P8s9_UpJk0y8gA6OXTuH-XXzaqz1NSEvb-XwjRTOAckrYcNp66RfV51WOTmptIAusealo9Ym2Xk66Asgwj3M3J6FrXhueKzw6R3c6TipnZBoSNATQQXUwiDtyMey1x3Ci3pkFkd6w6t-kNXG_jKZ0CwdPea6_BfK_WxW7TgGRaPVEs1HM44bNSrprIXjj-_cdJ_CDJNI7_qErrFmj1RrIPRdXTk00CwMuwVluf9GbVSzRWQ-TwJ1YM2Bn9yM-jlAH5vXdQ9esV1Rj_hQUJEdTBlbEfhOrs-C1sWEr992Gh77iBM9BbHCV0RG1OBYpYEOJcsNeRBxLN3dCbcBVVoO7nBkR1BRi6_YEAx7EnbSyD44R3Rln96EaPqvFUCYMAyoTY8QDUzf7-h0SYPWBQ/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paycom.com%2Flearn-more%2Fwhy-paycom%2F On 6/7/2022 3:17 PM, Gord Tomlin wrote: > A related pet peeve: "a software". Nobody but nobody says "a hardware". -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: "A Rexx" (or "A REXX")
Yes but we arent Romans so I think its acceptable to use data for a single piece of data. If enough people use a word incorectly doesnt it become acceptable? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2022 6:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: "A Rexx" (or "A REXX") This abuse of latin-derived plurals leads to such obsenities as "piece of data" where "datum" would suffice and "medias". "Why can't the English learn to speak?";was that in Pygmalian, or added for My Fair Lady? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Tom Brennan [t...@tombrennansoftware.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 10:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: "A Rexx" (or "A REXX") I heard that one on a radio advertisement the other day, something like, "All your payroll needs in a single software." Hurts my ears :) https://secure-web.cisco.com/18LoKSoFQLDdgDpWSrqpP8I8ItBv9rPy-lalBn_vk_oddbA5o3ZCljiTF9JQTiDhVZN40P8s9_UpJk0y8gA6OXTuH-XXzaqz1NSEvb-XwjRTOAckrYcNp66RfV51WOTmptIAusealo9Ym2Xk66Asgwj3M3J6FrXhueKzw6R3c6TipnZBoSNATQQXUwiDtyMey1x3Ci3pkFkd6w6t-kNXG_jKZ0CwdPea6_BfK_WxW7TgGRaPVEs1HM44bNSrprIXjj-_cdJ_CDJNI7_qErrFmj1RrIPRdXTk00CwMuwVluf9GbVSzRWQ-TwJ1YM2Bn9yM-jlAH5vXdQ9esV1Rj_hQUJEdTBlbEfhOrs-C1sWEr992Gh77iBM9BbHCV0RG1OBYpYEOJcsNeRBxLN3dCbcBVVoO7nBkR1BRi6_YEAx7EnbSyD44R3Rln96EaPqvFUCYMAyoTY8QDUzf7-h0SYPWBQ/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paycom.com%2Flearn-more%2Fwhy-paycom%2F On 6/7/2022 3:17 PM, Gord Tomlin wrote: > A related pet peeve: "a software". Nobody but nobody says "a hardware". -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
