Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
I remember having maintain a PICK system w back https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pick_operating_system On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 09:20, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh < vignesh.v.sankaranaraya...@marks-and-spencer.com> wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > Thank you, always open to history lessons > Didn't mean to attempt to give an actual explanation as such.. was just > thinking of it in a comical sense, that's all. > > – Vignesh > Mainframe Infrastructure > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Arthur Fichtl > Sent: 27 January 2019 13:11 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz > > BS = bull $hit > > Meaning,.. one is talking meaningless, foolish, s#it. So either BS or > horse s#it. > > Seeing a name like BS2000 or BS3000 made me think of a hypothetical > marketing department where their product is so useless, but they proudly > sell it, by naming it BS2000. > > They call the new and improved version BS3000. > > It's like how the wall street laughs at the rest of the world when they > name things CDOs, etc. > > Sure, CDO has a normal meaning but I'm sure some guy in a suit somewhere > knows its *real* expanded name (inside joke). > > – Vignesh > > Mainframe Infrastructure > > Vignesh, that’s not correct. > > As I worked (in an earlier life) both with BS2000 and BS3000 I could > enlight you: > > Beginning 1966 Siemens/Germany started with manufacturing Computers whose > design was developed by RCA (USA). It was named BS1000 and was similar to > the IBM/360 (but not identical). > > When IBM started selling the /370 machines which where equipped with a > virtual memory hardware architecture and ran the successor Operating System > named OS/VS, Siemens began to produce its own Hardware and developed an OS > called BS2000, as well equipped with virtual memory. > > Regarding the /370 you might want to have a look to this article: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/370 > > BS3000 was marketed by Siemens (its original name was FACOM and the > manufacturer was Fujitsu). It had no relations to BS2000. > > It was sort of Clone of MVS and IBM sued Fujitsu for copyright > infringement; there were rumors that IBM demanded (and received) 1 billion > US$ from Fujitsu which implied also that the Japanese company was allowed > to sell their machines in the domestic market. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > MARKSANDSPENCER.COM > > Unless otherwise stated above: > Marks and Spencer plc > Registered Office: > Waterside House > 35 North Wharf Road > London > W2 1NW > > Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. > > Telephone (020) 7935 4422 > Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 > > www.marksandspencer.com > > Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. > > This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us > know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or > distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as > this is prohibited and may be unlawful. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Hi Arthur, Thank you, always open to history lessons Didn't mean to attempt to give an actual explanation as such.. was just thinking of it in a comical sense, that's all. – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Arthur Fichtl Sent: 27 January 2019 13:11 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz BS = bull $hit Meaning,.. one is talking meaningless, foolish, s#it. So either BS or horse s#it. Seeing a name like BS2000 or BS3000 made me think of a hypothetical marketing department where their product is so useless, but they proudly sell it, by naming it BS2000. They call the new and improved version BS3000. It's like how the wall street laughs at the rest of the world when they name things CDOs, etc. Sure, CDO has a normal meaning but I'm sure some guy in a suit somewhere knows its *real* expanded name (inside joke). – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure Vignesh, that’s not correct. As I worked (in an earlier life) both with BS2000 and BS3000 I could enlight you: Beginning 1966 Siemens/Germany started with manufacturing Computers whose design was developed by RCA (USA). It was named BS1000 and was similar to the IBM/360 (but not identical). When IBM started selling the /370 machines which where equipped with a virtual memory hardware architecture and ran the successor Operating System named OS/VS, Siemens began to produce its own Hardware and developed an OS called BS2000, as well equipped with virtual memory. Regarding the /370 you might want to have a look to this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/370 BS3000 was marketed by Siemens (its original name was FACOM and the manufacturer was Fujitsu). It had no relations to BS2000. It was sort of Clone of MVS and IBM sued Fujitsu for copyright infringement; there were rumors that IBM demanded (and received) 1 billion US$ from Fujitsu which implied also that the Japanese company was allowed to sell their machines in the domestic market. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:23:32 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >For the same reason that Nova (No va) is funny in Hispanic countries; BS has a >colloquial meaning in the US. > That's disputed: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chevrolet-nova-name-spanish/ -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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For the same reason that Nova (No va) is funny in Hispanic countries; BS has a colloquial meaning in the US. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Arthur Fichtl Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 3:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz Am 27.01.2019 um 06:00 schrieb IBM-MAIN automatic digest system: > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz OK, Enlight me, what is BS? Why it's funny? It is Germish and means "Betriebssystem" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 11:44:54 +, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh wrote: > >Seeing a name like BS2000 or BS3000 made me think of a hypothetical marketing >department where their product is so useless, but they proudly sell it, by >naming it BS2000. >They call the new and improved version BS3000. > >It's like how the wall street laughs at the rest of the world when they name >things CDOs, etc. >Sure, CDO has a normal meaning but I'm sure some guy in a suit somewhere knows >its *real* expanded name (inside joke). > Well, the Urban Dictionary entry for CDO links me to "Bear Stearned", clearly more BS. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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BS = bull $hit Meaning,.. one is talking meaningless, foolish, s#it. So either BS or horse s#it. Seeing a name like BS2000 or BS3000 made me think of a hypothetical marketing department where their product is so useless, but they proudly sell it, by naming it BS2000. They call the new and improved version BS3000. It's like how the wall street laughs at the rest of the world when they name things CDOs, etc. Sure, CDO has a normal meaning but I'm sure some guy in a suit somewhere knows its *real* expanded name (inside joke). – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Arthur Fichtl Sent: 27 January 2019 08:27 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz Am 27.01.2019 um 06:00 schrieb IBM-MAIN automatic digest system: > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz OK, Enlight me, what is BS? Why it's funny? It is Germish and means "Betriebssystem" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Am 27.01.2019 um 06:00 schrieb IBM-MAIN automatic digest system: Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz OK, Enlight me, what is BS? Why it's funny? It is Germish and means "Betriebssystem" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Here in the USBS = Bull S**t Thanks, Tom Savor The polite translation is Bovine Scatology. Literally the stuff that comes out of the south end of a north-bound bull. In a message dated 1/26/2019 8:39:10 AM Central Standard Time, r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl writes: Enlight me, what is BS? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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The polite translation is Bovine Scatology. Literally the stuff that comes out of the south end of a north-bound bull. In a message dated 1/26/2019 8:39:10 AM Central Standard Time, r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl writes: Enlight me, what is BS? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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OK, Enlight me, what is BS? Why it's funny? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 2019-01-26 o 10:01, Bernd Oppolzer pisze: Outside USA, the two-letter acronym BS would probably not trigger automatically the same reflex. At least it took me some seconds yesterday to understand why the other poster was laughing about the name of BS2000. Funny: yesterday evening (after this mail dialog) I went to the cinema and watched the Michael Moore movie "Fahrenheit 11/9" and at one point I saw the crowd screamin "BS, BS, ..." :-) if I had seen this earlier, I had probably understood faster :-) Kind regards Bernd Am 26.01.2019 um 00:57 schrieb zMan: The former FOCUS product is owned by Select Business Systems, whose domain is www.selectbs.com. That one makes me laugh similarly! Nobody in Marketing must have been involved in that name. Or worse, they were... On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 2:26 AM Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh < vignesh.v.sankaranaraya...@marks-and-spencer.com> wrote: I can't help but laugh at the names BS2000 and BS3000. LMAO! – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN . == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Outside USA, the two-letter acronym BS would probably not trigger automatically the same reflex. At least it took me some seconds yesterday to understand why the other poster was laughing about the name of BS2000. Funny: yesterday evening (after this mail dialog) I went to the cinema and watched the Michael Moore movie "Fahrenheit 11/9" and at one point I saw the crowd screamin "BS, BS, ..." :-) if I had seen this earlier, I had probably understood faster :-) Kind regards Bernd Am 26.01.2019 um 00:57 schrieb zMan: The former FOCUS product is owned by Select Business Systems, whose domain is www.selectbs.com. That one makes me laugh similarly! Nobody in Marketing must have been involved in that name. Or worse, they were... On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 2:26 AM Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh < vignesh.v.sankaranaraya...@marks-and-spencer.com> wrote: I can't help but laugh at the names BS2000 and BS3000. LMAO! – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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The former FOCUS product is owned by Select Business Systems, whose domain is www.selectbs.com. That one makes me laugh similarly! Nobody in Marketing must have been involved in that name. Or worse, they were... On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 2:26 AM Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh < vignesh.v.sankaranaraya...@marks-and-spencer.com> wrote: > I can't help but laugh at the names BS2000 and BS3000. > LMAO! > > – Vignesh > Mainframe Infrastructure > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Bernd Oppolzer > Sent: 24 January 2019 23:11 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz > > Am 24.01.2019 um 18:01 schrieb R.S.: > > W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze: > >> All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the > >> older ones. > >> > >> You can add the following: > >> > >> KVM > >> Hitachi’s operating system, VOS > > > > Well, IT DEPENDS. > > > > KVM is Linux based hypervisor. Is it OS? Maybe, like z/VM. Is it > > Linux? Maybe, but specialized. > > > > VOS is just (almost legal) clone of MVS, like Fujitsu MSP. Due to > > legal settlements both are not available outside of Japan, AFAIK. > > > > There are also BS2000 (Siemens mainframe) OSes, similar to MVS and VSE > > AFAIK, but it's hard to find out real roots. I heard both are cloned > > with (paid) agreement from IBM. > > > BS2000 is a genuine Siemens OS, later transferred to Fujitsu and called > BS2000/OSD. > It ran on 370 and 390 compatible machines, but was very different from MVS > or VSE, AFAIK. > Its origins are some older OSes targetting other architectures similar to > IBM 360 (RCA Spectra ...). > > There was a BS3000, too, which was the same as MVS, but Siemens (or > Fujitsu) had to > cancel it due to legal problems with IBM, IIRC. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS2000 > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > MARKSANDSPENCER.COM > > Unless otherwise stated above: > Marks and Spencer plc > Registered Office: > Waterside House > 35 North Wharf Road > London > W2 1NW > > Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. > > Telephone (020) 7935 4422 > Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 > > www.marksandspencer.com > > Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. > > This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us > know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or > distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as > this is prohibited and may be unlawful. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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After some thinking it became clear to me what you have in mind :-) BS is the German abbreviaton for operating system (BetriebsSystem). Kind regards Bernd Am 25.01.2019 um 08:25 schrieb Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh: I can't help but laugh at the names BS2000 and BS3000. LMAO! – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I can't help but laugh at the names BS2000 and BS3000. LMAO! – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bernd Oppolzer Sent: 24 January 2019 23:11 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz Am 24.01.2019 um 18:01 schrieb R.S.: > W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze: >> All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the >> older ones. >> >> You can add the following: >> >> KVM >> Hitachi’s operating system, VOS > > Well, IT DEPENDS. > > KVM is Linux based hypervisor. Is it OS? Maybe, like z/VM. Is it > Linux? Maybe, but specialized. > > VOS is just (almost legal) clone of MVS, like Fujitsu MSP. Due to > legal settlements both are not available outside of Japan, AFAIK. > > There are also BS2000 (Siemens mainframe) OSes, similar to MVS and VSE > AFAIK, but it's hard to find out real roots. I heard both are cloned > with (paid) agreement from IBM. BS2000 is a genuine Siemens OS, later transferred to Fujitsu and called BS2000/OSD. It ran on 370 and 390 compatible machines, but was very different from MVS or VSE, AFAIK. Its origins are some older OSes targetting other architectures similar to IBM 360 (RCA Spectra ...). There was a BS3000, too, which was the same as MVS, but Siemens (or Fujitsu) had to cancel it due to legal problems with IBM, IIRC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS2000 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Now this reply, I like! - Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kevin Mckenzie Sent: 24 January 2019 16:48 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz Strictly speaking, you could include Stand-alone Dump and ADRDSSU. --- Kevin McKenzie External Phone: 845-435-8282, Tie-line: 8-295-8282 z/OS Test Services - Test Architect, Provisioning IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 01/24/2019 09:17:25 AM: > From: John McKown > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 01/24/2019 09:18 AM > Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz Sent by: IBM Mainframe > Discussion List > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 8:09 AM Tom Marchant < > 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 06:17:47 -0600, John McKown wrote: > > > > >This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and > > >z/Linux. Are there any others? > > > > None of these were ever enhanced to support zArchitecture, though > > they might be able to run on older z hardware, that could still IPL > > in OS/390 > > mode. > > > > MTS, the Michigan Terminal System > > UTS, Amdahl's implementation of Unix for 370 & 390 TSS > > > > -- > > Tom Marchant > > > > > Getting nice feedback. I guess I could find another system and name it > "Ancient Operating Systems". Why not? I already named one "Car-topia" with > the planets named after various cars. > > -- > I just burned 2000 calories! > That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. > > Maranatha! <>< > John McKown > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
zAware was not an OS. Originally it was firmware. BTW: It was transitioned to IBM Operational Analytics for z Systems From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh Sent: 24 January 2019 14:51 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz Oh how about zAWARE ?? – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: 24 January 2019 14:37 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:25:48 +0100, R.S. wrote: > >It depends. >There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA. >There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code). >There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS. >Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM. >There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM. >There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM, >but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well. >There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat, >Slackware, Ubuntu... > How do you count PR/SM, sort of a hyperhypervisor, so: PR/SM : z/VM :: z/VM : CMS ... Nowadays, most of the others won't run on "bare metal", only under PR/SM. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com<http://www.marksandspencer.com> Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
The Hercules community are running some older operating systems. Could be that Hercules runs more than z is capable of. As Goldmember would say, ''Ïsn't that weird". On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 1:51 AM Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh < vignesh.v.sankaranaraya...@marks-and-spencer.com> wrote: > Oh how about zAWARE ?? > > – Vignesh > Mainframe Infrastructure > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Paul Gilmartin > Sent: 24 January 2019 14:37 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:25:48 +0100, R.S. wrote: > > > >It depends. > >There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA. > >There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code). > >There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS. > >Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM. > >There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM. > >There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM, > >but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well. > >There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat, > >Slackware, Ubuntu... > > > How do you count PR/SM, sort of a hyperhypervisor, so: > PR/SM : z/VM :: z/VM : CMS ... > > Nowadays, most of the others won't run on "bare metal", only under PR/SM. > > -- gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > MARKSANDSPENCER.COM > > Unless otherwise stated above: > Marks and Spencer plc > Registered Office: > Waterside House > 35 North Wharf Road > London > W2 1NW > > Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. > > Telephone (020) 7935 4422 > Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 > > www.marksandspencer.com > > Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. > > This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us > know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or > distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as > this is prohibited and may be unlawful. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Oh how about zAWARE ?? – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: 24 January 2019 14:37 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:25:48 +0100, R.S. wrote: > >It depends. >There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA. >There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code). >There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS. >Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM. >There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM. >There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM, >but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well. >There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat, >Slackware, Ubuntu... > How do you count PR/SM, sort of a hyperhypervisor, so: PR/SM : z/VM :: z/VM : CMS ... Nowadays, most of the others won't run on "bare metal", only under PR/SM. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
KVM on bare metal! Don't know if it's the same as zLinux.. I think zLinux is SLES or RHAT on top of zVM.. ? – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bernd Oppolzer Sent: 24 January 2019 12:52 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz Am 24.01.2019 um 13:25 schrieb R.S.: > W dniu 2019-01-24 o 13:17, John McKown pisze: >> This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, >> and z/Linux. Are there any others? >> >> OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I >> play. >> It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you >> discover a new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to >> find a star with "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which >> run on the IBMz platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets >> after the OSes. If there are any moons around a planet, I will try to >> name them after some major subsystem which runs on the OS with that >> name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS. >> > > > It depends. > There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA. > There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code). > There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS. > Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM. > There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM. > There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM, > but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well. > There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat, > Slackware, Ubuntu... > > MUSIC/SP, but I don't know - if there is a version of MUSIC/SP still running anywhere in the "real world" and not only with emulators in hobbyists' environments - if it really would round on a current z Hardware Kind regards Bernd -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
