Re: ADRDSSU COMPRESS and enq

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

Yes, I'm aware of this method, thank you for mentioning it.
However that way does not allow generics.
Obviously I could create some REXX script for that, but I don't want to 
reinvent the wheel.


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W dniu 19.01.2024 o 19:42, Matthew Stitt pisze:

I"ve used IEBCOPY with DISP=SHR and VOL=SER with no issues for years.

Matthew Stitt

On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:31:46 +, Ituriel do 
Neto  wrote:


BYPASSNQ program ?


Best Regards

Ituriel do Nascimento Neto
z/OS System Programmer
Hi Radek,
- Run ICKDSF to take the VTOC out of Indexed Format (BUILDOS)
- ZAP the VTOC  (i.e. FORMAT4.DSCB) to change the DSNAME to something
innocuous.
- Compress via IEBCOPY
- ZAP the DSNAME to SYS1.LINKLIB
- Run ICKDSF to put the VTOC into Indexed Format (BUILDIX)

I've done this, but, not recently.

Here is an article where someone else came up with the same idea:
Deleting a File That Is “In Use” | Steve Baugh - The CICS Guy
(wordpress.com)


Regards,
David

On 2024-01-19 07:27, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:

I want to compress some system datasets like SYS1.LINKLIB, but *not*
real "live", rather offline copies.
DSS ends with RC8, because of failed serialization.
SETPROG LNKLST,UNALLOCATE will not solve all the enqueues, because
some datasets are serialized by other entities like TSO users.

And I also want to CONSOLIDATE some datasets as well.


Any clue?


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Re: ADRDSSU COMPRESS and enq

[Mike Schwab]

If the dataset goes into more extents the refresh won't pick up the new
extent(s) and the member fetch will fail.  Can also reach the maximum
number of extents.

On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 9:19 AM Steely.Mark  wrote:

> Unless I am missing something why not use IEBCOPY with specifying DISP=SHR
> on the dataset name.
> I have done this with datasets that were allocated to the LNKLST.
>
> Thanks
>
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> Gentlemen,
> First, thank you for your answers. I appreciate it.
>
> Regarding TOLENQF - it doesn't work with COMPRESS or CONSOLIDATE. The
> manual is clear here.
>
> Regarding rename - this is the thing I wanted to avoid for several reasons:
> 1. There is some risk to rename wrong "copy" of the dataset, or alter ICF
> entries for wrong copy.
> 2. Valid copies are located on non-SMS disk, but cataloged out of regular
> catalog search (SYS1.name in some UCAT). Plus some aliases, etc.
> I want to not destroy it.
> 3. I don't know how to rename such datasets! Yes, I could imagine access
> from another z/OS image, but it would be a series of manual ISPF r command.
> Non-repeatable, error prone. Is there any tool allowing to rename such
> datasets in batch? Wildcard support (i.e. REN SYS1.* SYS2.*) would be
> welcome.
>
>
>
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
>
>
>
>
>
> W dniu 19.01.2024 o 13:27, Radoslaw Skorupka pisze:
> > I want to compress some system datasets like SYS1.LINKLIB, but *not*
> > real "live", rather offline copies.
> > DSS ends with RC8, because of failed serialization.
> > SETPROG LNKLST,UNALLOCATE will not solve all the enqueues, because
> > some datasets are serialized by other entities like TSO users.
> >
> > And I also want to CONSOLIDATE some datasets as well.
> >
> >
> > Any clue?
> >
>
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Re: ADRDSSU COMPRESS and enq

[Matthew Stitt]

I"ve used IEBCOPY with DISP=SHR and VOL=SER with no issues for years.

Matthew Stitt

On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:31:46 +, Ituriel do Neto 
 wrote:

>BYPASSNQ program ?
>
>
>Best Regards
>
>Ituriel do Nascimento Neto
>z/OS System Programmer

>
>Hi Radek,
>- Run ICKDSF to take the VTOC out of Indexed Format (BUILDOS)
>- ZAP the VTOC  (i.e. FORMAT4.DSCB) to change the DSNAME to something 
>innocuous.
>- Compress via IEBCOPY
>- ZAP the DSNAME to SYS1.LINKLIB
>- Run ICKDSF to put the VTOC into Indexed Format (BUILDIX)
>
>I've done this, but, not recently.
>
>Here is an article where someone else came up with the same idea:
>Deleting a File That Is “In Use” | Steve Baugh - The CICS Guy 
>(wordpress.com) 
>
>
>Regards,
>David
>
>On 2024-01-19 07:27, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
>> I want to compress some system datasets like SYS1.LINKLIB, but *not* 
>> real "live", rather offline copies.
>> DSS ends with RC8, because of failed serialization.
>> SETPROG LNKLST,UNALLOCATE will not solve all the enqueues, because 
>> some datasets are serialized by other entities like TSO users.
>>
>> And I also want to CONSOLIDATE some datasets as well.
>>
>>
>> Any clue?
>>

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Re: ADRDSSU COMPRESS and enq

[Ituriel do Neto]

BYPASSNQ program ?


Best Regards

Ituriel do Nascimento Neto
z/OS System Programmer






Em sexta-feira, 19 de janeiro de 2024 às 14:24:02 BRT, David Spiegel 
<0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> escreveu: 





Hi Radek,
- Run ICKDSF to take the VTOC out of Indexed Format (BUILDOS)
- ZAP the VTOC  (i.e. FORMAT4.DSCB) to change the DSNAME to something 
innocuous.
- Compress via IEBCOPY
- ZAP the DSNAME to SYS1.LINKLIB
- Run ICKDSF to put the VTOC into Indexed Format (BUILDIX)

I've done this, but, not recently.

Here is an article where someone else came up with the same idea:
Deleting a File That Is “In Use” | Steve Baugh - The CICS Guy 
(wordpress.com) 


Regards,
David

On 2024-01-19 07:27, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
> I want to compress some system datasets like SYS1.LINKLIB, but *not* 
> real "live", rather offline copies.
> DSS ends with RC8, because of failed serialization.
> SETPROG LNKLST,UNALLOCATE will not solve all the enqueues, because 
> some datasets are serialized by other entities like TSO users.
>
> And I also want to CONSOLIDATE some datasets as well.
>
>
> Any clue?
>

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Re: ADRDSSU COMPRESS and enq

[David Spiegel]

Hi Radek,
- Run ICKDSF to take the VTOC out of Indexed Format (BUILDOS)
- ZAP the VTOC  (i.e. FORMAT4.DSCB) to change the DSNAME to something 
innocuous.

- Compress via IEBCOPY
- ZAP the DSNAME to SYS1.LINKLIB
- Run ICKDSF to put the VTOC into Indexed Format (BUILDIX)

I've done this, but, not recently.

Here is an article where someone else came up with the same idea:
Deleting a File That Is “In Use” | Steve Baugh - The CICS Guy 
(wordpress.com) 



Regards,
David

On 2024-01-19 07:27, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
I want to compress some system datasets like SYS1.LINKLIB, but *not* 
real "live", rather offline copies.

DSS ends with RC8, because of failed serialization.
SETPROG LNKLST,UNALLOCATE will not solve all the enqueues, because 
some datasets are serialized by other entities like TSO users.


And I also want to CONSOLIDATE some datasets as well.


Any clue?



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Re: ADRDSSU COMPRESS and enq

[Steely.Mark]

Unless I am missing something why not use IEBCOPY with specifying DISP=SHR on 
the dataset name. 
I have done this with datasets that were allocated to the LNKLST. 

Thanks

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Gentlemen,
First, thank you for your answers. I appreciate it.

Regarding TOLENQF - it doesn't work with COMPRESS or CONSOLIDATE. The manual is 
clear here.

Regarding rename - this is the thing I wanted to avoid for several reasons:
1. There is some risk to rename wrong "copy" of the dataset, or alter ICF 
entries for wrong copy.
2. Valid copies are located on non-SMS disk, but cataloged out of regular 
catalog search (SYS1.name in some UCAT). Plus some aliases, etc.
I want to not destroy it.
3. I don't know how to rename such datasets! Yes, I could imagine access from 
another z/OS image, but it would be a series of manual ISPF r command. 
Non-repeatable, error prone. Is there any tool allowing to rename such datasets 
in batch? Wildcard support (i.e. REN SYS1.* SYS2.*) would be welcome.



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Lodz, Poland





W dniu 19.01.2024 o 13:27, Radoslaw Skorupka pisze:
> I want to compress some system datasets like SYS1.LINKLIB, but *not* 
> real "live", rather offline copies.
> DSS ends with RC8, because of failed serialization.
> SETPROG LNKLST,UNALLOCATE will not solve all the enqueues, because 
> some datasets are serialized by other entities like TSO users.
>
> And I also want to CONSOLIDATE some datasets as well.
>
>
> Any clue?
>

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Re: ADRDSSU COMPRESS and enq

[Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw]

Radoslaw wrote
>>3. I don't know how to rename such datasets! Yes, I could imagine access from 
>>another z/OS image, but it would be a series of manual ISPF r command. 
>>Non-repeatable, error prone. Is there any tool allowing to rename such 
>>datasets in batch? Wildcard support (i.e. REN SYS1.* SYS2.*) would be 
>>welcome. <<

Try IEHPROGM.
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/3.1.0?topic=program-scratching-renaming-data-set-member
 

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Radoslaw Skorupka
Sent: 19 January 2024 14:18
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: ADRDSSU COMPRESS and enq

Gentlemen,
First, thank you for your answers. I appreciate it.

Regarding TOLENQF - it doesn't work with COMPRESS or CONSOLIDATE. The manual is 
clear here.

Regarding rename - this is the thing I wanted to avoid for several reasons:
1. There is some risk to rename wrong "copy" of the dataset, or alter ICF 
entries for wrong copy.
2. Valid copies are located on non-SMS disk, but cataloged out of regular 
catalog search (SYS1.name in some UCAT). Plus some aliases, etc. 
I want to not destroy it.
3. I don't know how to rename such datasets! Yes, I could imagine access from 
another z/OS image, but it would be a series of manual ISPF r command. 
Non-repeatable, error prone. Is there any tool allowing to rename such datasets 
in batch? Wildcard support (i.e. REN SYS1.* SYS2.*) would be welcome.



--
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Lodz, Poland





W dniu 19.01.2024 o 13:27, Radoslaw Skorupka pisze:
> I want to compress some system datasets like SYS1.LINKLIB, but *not* 
> real "live", rather offline copies.
> DSS ends with RC8, because of failed serialization.
> SETPROG LNKLST,UNALLOCATE will not solve all the enqueues, because 
> some datasets are serialized by other entities like TSO users.
>
> And I also want to CONSOLIDATE some datasets as well.
>
>
> Any clue?
>

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Re: ADRDSSU COMPRESS and enq

[Allan Staller]

Classification: Confidential

1 copy w/ADRDSSU) TOLENQFAILURE and RENUNC
Or
Allocate new; copy from original w/IEBCOPY
3) test

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Gentlemen,
First, thank you for your answers. I appreciate it.

Regarding TOLENQF - it doesn't work with COMPRESS or CONSOLIDATE. The manual is 
clear here.

Regarding rename - this is the thing I wanted to avoid for several reasons:
1. There is some risk to rename wrong "copy" of the dataset, or alter ICF 
entries for wrong copy.
2. Valid copies are located on non-SMS disk, but cataloged out of regular 
catalog search (SYS1.name in some UCAT). Plus some aliases, etc.
I want to not destroy it.
3. I don't know how to rename such datasets! Yes, I could imagine access from 
another z/OS image, but it would be a series of manual ISPF r command. 
Non-repeatable, error prone. Is there any tool allowing to rename such datasets 
in batch? Wildcard support (i.e. REN SYS1.* SYS2.*) would be welcome.



--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland





W dniu 19.01.2024 o 13:27, Radoslaw Skorupka pisze:
> I want to compress some system datasets like SYS1.LINKLIB, but *not*
> real "live", rather offline copies.
> DSS ends with RC8, because of failed serialization.
> SETPROG LNKLST,UNALLOCATE will not solve all the enqueues, because
> some datasets are serialized by other entities like TSO users.
>
> And I also want to CONSOLIDATE some datasets as well.
>
>
> Any clue?
>

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Re: ADRDSSU COMPRESS and enq

[rpinion865]

Do you have access to the FDR products?




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On Friday, January 19th, 2024 at 9:18 AM, Radoslaw Skorupka 
<0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:


> Gentlemen,
> First, thank you for your answers. I appreciate it.
> 
> Regarding TOLENQF - it doesn't work with COMPRESS or CONSOLIDATE. The
> manual is clear here.
> 
> Regarding rename - this is the thing I wanted to avoid for several reasons:
> 1. There is some risk to rename wrong "copy" of the dataset, or alter
> ICF entries for wrong copy.
> 2. Valid copies are located on non-SMS disk, but cataloged out of
> regular catalog search (SYS1.name in some UCAT). Plus some aliases, etc.
> I want to not destroy it.
> 3. I don't know how to rename such datasets! Yes, I could imagine access
> from another z/OS image, but it would be a series of manual ISPF r
> command. Non-repeatable, error prone. Is there any tool allowing to
> rename such datasets in batch? Wildcard support (i.e. REN SYS1.* SYS2.*)
> would be welcome.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> W dniu 19.01.2024 o 13:27, Radoslaw Skorupka pisze:
> 
> > I want to compress some system datasets like SYS1.LINKLIB, but not
> > real "live", rather offline copies.
> > DSS ends with RC8, because of failed serialization.
> > SETPROG LNKLST,UNALLOCATE will not solve all the enqueues, because
> > some datasets are serialized by other entities like TSO users.
> > 
> > And I also want to CONSOLIDATE some datasets as well.
> > 
> > Any clue?
> 
> 
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Re: ADRDSSU COMPRESS and enq

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

Gentlemen,
First, thank you for your answers. I appreciate it.

Regarding TOLENQF - it doesn't work with COMPRESS or CONSOLIDATE. The 
manual is clear here.


Regarding rename - this is the thing I wanted to avoid for several reasons:
1. There is some risk to rename wrong "copy" of the dataset, or alter 
ICF entries for wrong copy.
2. Valid copies are located on non-SMS disk, but cataloged out of 
regular catalog search (SYS1.name in some UCAT). Plus some aliases, etc. 
I want to not destroy it.
3. I don't know how to rename such datasets! Yes, I could imagine access 
from another z/OS image, but it would be a series of manual ISPF r 
command. Non-repeatable, error prone. Is there any tool allowing to 
rename such datasets in batch? Wildcard support (i.e. REN SYS1.* SYS2.*) 
would be welcome.




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Lodz, Poland





W dniu 19.01.2024 o 13:27, Radoslaw Skorupka pisze:
I want to compress some system datasets like SYS1.LINKLIB, but *not* 
real "live", rather offline copies.

DSS ends with RC8, because of failed serialization.
SETPROG LNKLST,UNALLOCATE will not solve all the enqueues, because 
some datasets are serialized by other entities like TSO users.


And I also want to CONSOLIDATE some datasets as well.


Any clue?



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Re: ADRDSSU COMPRESS and enq

[Allan Staller]

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Rename the "copy" prior to attempting compress.

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I want to compress some system datasets like SYS1.LINKLIB, but *not* real 
"live", rather offline copies.
DSS ends with RC8, because of failed serialization.
SETPROG LNKLST,UNALLOCATE will not solve all the enqueues, because some 
datasets are serialized by other entities like TSO users.

And I also want to CONSOLIDATE some datasets as well.


Any clue?

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Re: ADRDSSU COMPRESS and enq

[Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw]

Rename data set first?
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/3.1.0?topic=gcr-renaming-data-set-that-might-be-in-use
Lennie

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I want to compress some system datasets like SYS1.LINKLIB, but *not* real 
"live", rather offline copies.
DSS ends with RC8, because of failed serialization.
SETPROG LNKLST,UNALLOCATE will not solve all the enqueues, because some 
datasets are serialized by other entities like TSO users.

And I also want to CONSOLIDATE some datasets as well.


Any clue?

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Re: ADRDSSU COMPRESS and enq

[Colin Paice]

Try TOL(ENQ) for tolerate enqueue failure
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.4.0?topic=keywords-tolerate

On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 at 12:27, Radoslaw Skorupka <
0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> I want to compress some system datasets like SYS1.LINKLIB, but *not*
> real "live", rather offline copies.
> DSS ends with RC8, because of failed serialization.
> SETPROG LNKLST,UNALLOCATE will not solve all the enqueues, because some
> datasets are serialized by other entities like TSO users.
>
> And I also want to CONSOLIDATE some datasets as well.
>
>
> Any clue?
>
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
>
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ADRDSSU COMPRESS and enq

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

I want to compress some system datasets like SYS1.LINKLIB, but *not* 
real "live", rather offline copies.

DSS ends with RC8, because of failed serialization.
SETPROG LNKLST,UNALLOCATE will not solve all the enqueues, because some 
datasets are serialized by other entities like TSO users.


And I also want to CONSOLIDATE some datasets as well.


Any clue?

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Lodz, Poland

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