Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?

2016-02-07 Thread R.S. 

W dniu 2016-02-05 o 21:00, Elardus Engelbrecht pisze:

Lester, Bob wrote:
  

 Commodore 64 anyone?  :-)


Spectrum 48k, Commodore 64, Atari 64XE, Atari 800XL
The best machine was Amstrad CPC 6128 and I would challenge everyone who 
do not agree. Swords, sabres, joysticks - what you choose.


Dedicated CRT monitor (colour option for rich people), 128kB RAM (64k 
addressable), good Locomotive Basiec and ...FLOPPY DISK STATION! Very 
"popular" 3" diskettes. No, it wasn't 3,5".
CP/M as an option, with LOGO and  Borland Turbo Pascal 3.0. Also dBase, 
word processors, etc.

I know several professional applications for engineers.

I still have CPC, actually 3 of them (redundancy), but to be honest 
nowadays I play with other kind of CPC's. You know the games: Power On 
Reset, Load, LPAR profile Customization, Load From Removable Media, 
etc.  No Tetris, no Boulder Dash.


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Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?

2016-02-07 Thread Chris Hoelscher 
Yeah - times have changed ... I remember back then when folks said I had a hot 
baud too ...  :(


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> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> On Behalf Of Linda
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 2:31 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z -
> What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> No call waiting. My Apple had its own phone.  I spent lots of time logged in 
> to
> the Univac at school coding and reading listings, first at 110 baud, later at 
> 300
> baud.
> 
> Linda
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 6, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Chris Hoelscher 
> wrote:
> >
> > Linda - did you have call waiting? If you forgot to disable it before
> > "hooking up" that little click/beep indicator of an incoming call
> > would throw me offline (Apple ][+)
> >
> > Chris Hoelscher
> > Technology Architect, Database Infrastructure Services Technology
> > Solution Services
> > : humana.com
> > 123 East Main Street
> > Louisville, KY 40202
> > Humana.com
> > (502) 714-8615, (502) 476-2538
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-
> m...@listserv.ua.edu]
> >> On Behalf Of Linda
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 12:53 AM
> >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM
> >> Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?
> >>
> >> I had an Apple ][ with an acoustic coupler. It auto dialed over a
> >> regular telco dial tone line using a program loaded from a cassette
> >> player, or if one could afford it, from an early floppy drive. The
> >> college I went to had a Univac 90/70d. The were 4 student dialup
> >> numbers. I could get into one of those much like the scene from War
> Games.  It was fun.
> >>
> >> Linda
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Feb 5, 2016, at 11:19 AM, John McKown
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
>  On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Lester, Bob 
> >> wrote:
> 
>  Hi John,
> 
> Commodore 64 anyone?  :-)
> 
> Do you know what OS it ran?
> >>>
> >>> ​Some variant of Microsoft BASIC, in ROM.​
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> 
> Was the HW an x86?  Motorola?  Apple?
> >>>
> >>> ​Motorola 8 bit​ 6510 CPU.
> >>>
> >>> Apple ][ was the 6502(?). And don't forget the Atari 800 (and lesser
> >>> 400), which was 6502 based. Or, the one that I had: Tandy / Radio
> >>> Shack's TRS-80 (affectionately known as the "trash-80") which was
> >>> Zilog Z-80 (superset of Intel 8080) based. Oh, and the grandfather
> >>> of them all (immortalized in "War Games" - how did they get an
> >>> acoustic coupled modem to autodial?) was the Imsai 8080. Not to
> >>> mention many other CP/M-80 machines, such as Comemco and Altair
> >>> 8800. These latter two had the "feature" of being able to toggle
> >>> individual bytes into memory via switches on the box. Damn, I'm old.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> 
> I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and
>  wonderful (at the time) things with several of them connected
>  together.  No cases, wires everywhere,  but pretty cool anyhow for
>  the
> >> time.
> 
> TGIF, else I'd be in trouble.  :-)
> 
>  BobL
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Werner Heisenberg is driving down the autobahn. A police officer
> >>> pulls him over. The officer says, "Excuse me, sir, do you know how
> >>> fast you were going?"
> >>> "No," replies Dr. Heisenberg, "but I know where I am."
> >>>
> >>> Computer Science is the only discipline in which we view adding a
> >>> new wing to a building as being maintenance -- Jim Horning
> >>>
> >>> Schrodinger's backup: The condition of any backup is unknown until a
> >>> restore is attempted.
> >>>
> >>> He's about as useful as a wax frying pan.
> >>>
> >>> Maranatha! <><
> >>> John McKown
> >>>
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Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?

2016-02-06 Thread Tom Marchant 
On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 18:57:17 -0500, Gregg wrote:

>Did it require a Hayes (compatible) MODEM?

It isn't a modem command, but a command to the telephone company. 
Something like dialing *70 before dialing the number.

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>On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Ed Gould  wrote:
>
>> Yes/NO
>> There was a command that at dial time would stop call waiting, its been
>> years (sorry).

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Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?

2016-02-06 Thread Gregg 
Did it require a Hayes (compatible) MODEM?

On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Ed Gould  wrote:

> Yes/NO
> There was a command that at dial time would stop call waiting, its been
> years (sorry).
>
> Ed
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Chris Hoelscher wrote:
>
> Linda - did you have call waiting? If you forgot to disable it before
>> "hooking up" that little click/beep indicator of an incoming call would
>> throw me offline (Apple ][+)
>>
>> Chris Hoelscher
>> Technology Architect, Database Infrastructure Services
>> Technology Solution Services
>> : humana.com
>> 123 East Main Street
>> Louisville, KY 40202
>> Humana.com
>> (502) 714-8615, (502) 476-2538
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
>>> On Behalf Of Linda
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 12:53 AM
>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z
>>> -
>>> What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?
>>>
>>> I had an Apple ][ with an acoustic coupler. It auto dialed over a
>>> regular telco
>>> dial tone line using a program loaded from a cassette player, or if one
>>> could
>>> afford it, from an early floppy drive. The college I went to had a Univac
>>> 90/70d. The were 4 student dialup numbers. I could get into one of those
>>> much like the scene from War Games.  It was fun.
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 5, 2016, at 11:19 AM, John McKown

>>>  wrote:
>>>

 On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Lester, Bob 
>
 wrote:
>>>

> Hi John,
>
> Commodore 64 anyone?  :-)
>
> Do you know what OS it ran?
>

 ​Some variant of Microsoft BASIC, in ROM.​




> Was the HW an x86?  Motorola?  Apple?
>

 ​Motorola 8 bit​ 6510 CPU.

 Apple ][ was the 6502(?). And don't forget the Atari 800 (and lesser
 400), which was 6502 based. Or, the one that I had: Tandy / Radio
 Shack's TRS-80 (affectionately known as the "trash-80") which was
 Zilog Z-80 (superset of Intel 8080) based. Oh, and the grandfather of
 them all (immortalized in "War Games" - how did they get an acoustic
 coupled modem to autodial?) was the Imsai 8080. Not to mention
 many other CP/M-80 machines, such as Comemco and Altair 8800. These
 latter two had the "feature" of being able to toggle individual bytes
 into memory via switches on the box. Damn, I'm old.




> I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and
> wonderful (at the time) things with several of them connected
> together.  No cases, wires everywhere,  but pretty cool anyhow for the
>
 time.
>>>

> TGIF, else I'd be in trouble.  :-)
>
> BobL
>

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 him over. The officer says, "Excuse me, sir, do you know how fast you
 were going?"
 "No," replies Dr. Heisenberg, "but I know where I am."

 Computer Science is the only discipline in which we view adding a new
 wing to a building as being maintenance -- Jim Horning

 Schrodinger's backup: The condition of any backup is unknown until a
 restore is attempted.

 He's about as useful as a wax frying pan.

 Maranatha! <><
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Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?

2016-02-06 Thread Chris Hoelscher 
Linda - did you have call waiting? If you forgot to disable it before "hooking 
up" that little click/beep indicator of an incoming call would throw me offline 
(Apple ][+)

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> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> On Behalf Of Linda
> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 12:53 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z -
> What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?
> 
> I had an Apple ][ with an acoustic coupler. It auto dialed over a regular 
> telco
> dial tone line using a program loaded from a cassette player, or if one could
> afford it, from an early floppy drive. The college I went to had a Univac
> 90/70d. The were 4 student dialup numbers. I could get into one of those
> much like the scene from War Games.  It was fun.
> 
> Linda
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 5, 2016, at 11:19 AM, John McKown
>  wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Lester, Bob 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi John,
> >>
> >> Commodore 64 anyone?  :-)
> >>
> >> Do you know what OS it ran?
> >
> > ​Some variant of Microsoft BASIC, in ROM.​
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Was the HW an x86?  Motorola?  Apple?
> >
> > ​Motorola 8 bit​ 6510 CPU.
> >
> > Apple ][ was the 6502(?). And don't forget the Atari 800 (and lesser
> > 400), which was 6502 based. Or, the one that I had: Tandy / Radio
> > Shack's TRS-80 (affectionately known as the "trash-80") which was
> > Zilog Z-80 (superset of Intel 8080) based. Oh, and the grandfather of
> > them all (immortalized in "War Games" - how did they get an acoustic
> > coupled modem to autodial?) was the Imsai 8080. Not to mention
> > many other CP/M-80 machines, such as Comemco and Altair 8800. These
> > latter two had the "feature" of being able to toggle individual bytes
> > into memory via switches on the box. Damn, I'm old.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and
> >> wonderful (at the time) things with several of them connected
> >> together.  No cases, wires everywhere,  but pretty cool anyhow for the
> time.
> >>
> >> TGIF, else I'd be in trouble.  :-)
> >>
> >> BobL
> >
> > --
> > Werner Heisenberg is driving down the autobahn. A police officer pulls
> > him over. The officer says, "Excuse me, sir, do you know how fast you
> > were going?"
> > "No," replies Dr. Heisenberg, "but I know where I am."
> >
> > Computer Science is the only discipline in which we view adding a new
> > wing to a building as being maintenance -- Jim Horning
> >
> > Schrodinger's backup: The condition of any backup is unknown until a
> > restore is attempted.
> >
> > He's about as useful as a wax frying pan.
> >
> > Maranatha! <><
> > John McKown
> >
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Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?

2016-02-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin 
On 2016-02-06, at 08:49, Chris Hoelscher wrote:

> Linda - did you have call waiting? If you forgot to disable it before 
> "hooking up" that little click/beep indicator of an incoming call would throw 
> me offline (Apple ][+)
>  
Similarly irritating, later I had a modem (RJ11, not acoustical) that
would auto-redial on busy signal.  Then U.S. West did me the favor of
intercepting the busy and replacing it with a voice message offering
for $0.95 to keep redialing and call me back when it answered.

To their credit, they disabled the behavior when I complained to them.

-- gil

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Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?

2016-02-06 Thread Ed Gould 

Yes/NO
There was a command that at dial time would stop call waiting, its  
been years (sorry).


Ed

On Feb 6, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Chris Hoelscher wrote:

Linda - did you have call waiting? If you forgot to disable it  
before "hooking up" that little click/beep indicator of an incoming  
call would throw me offline (Apple ][+)


Chris Hoelscher
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Technology Solution Services
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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
On Behalf Of Linda
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 12:53 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM  
Destination z -

What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?

I had an Apple ][ with an acoustic coupler. It auto dialed over a  
regular telco
dial tone line using a program loaded from a cassette player, or  
if one could
afford it, from an early floppy drive. The college I went to had a  
Univac
90/70d. The were 4 student dialup numbers. I could get into one of  
those

much like the scene from War Games.  It was fun.

Linda

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 5, 2016, at 11:19 AM, John McKown

 wrote:



On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Lester, Bob 

wrote:


Hi John,

Commodore 64 anyone?  :-)

Do you know what OS it ran?


​Some variant of Microsoft BASIC, in ROM.​





Was the HW an x86?  Motorola?  Apple?


​Motorola 8 bit​ 6510 CPU.

Apple ][ was the 6502(?). And don't forget the Atari 800 (and lesser
400), which was 6502 based. Or, the one that I had: Tandy / Radio
Shack's TRS-80 (affectionately known as the "trash-80") which was
Zilog Z-80 (superset of Intel 8080) based. Oh, and the  
grandfather of

them all (immortalized in "War Games" - how did they get an acoustic
coupled modem to autodial?) was the Imsai 8080. Not to mention
many other CP/M-80 machines, such as Comemco and Altair 8800. These
latter two had the "feature" of being able to toggle individual  
bytes

into memory via switches on the box. Damn, I'm old.





I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and
wonderful (at the time) things with several of them connected
together.  No cases, wires everywhere,  but pretty cool anyhow  
for the

time.


TGIF, else I'd be in trouble.  :-)

BobL


--
Werner Heisenberg is driving down the autobahn. A police officer  
pulls
him over. The officer says, "Excuse me, sir, do you know how fast  
you

were going?"
"No," replies Dr. Heisenberg, "but I know where I am."

Computer Science is the only discipline in which we view adding a  
new

wing to a building as being maintenance -- Jim Horning

Schrodinger's backup: The condition of any backup is unknown until a
restore is attempted.

He's about as useful as a wax frying pan.

Maranatha! <><
John McKown

 
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Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?

2016-02-06 Thread Linda 
Hi Chris, 

No call waiting. My Apple had its own phone.  I spent lots of time logged in to 
the Univac at school coding and reading listings, first at 110 baud, later at 
300 baud.

Linda

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Chris Hoelscher  wrote:
> 
> Linda - did you have call waiting? If you forgot to disable it before 
> "hooking up" that little click/beep indicator of an incoming call would throw 
> me offline (Apple ][+)
> 
> Chris Hoelscher
> Technology Architect, Database Infrastructure Services
> Technology Solution Services
> : humana.com
> 123 East Main Street
> Louisville, KY 40202
> Humana.com
> (502) 714-8615, (502) 476-2538
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
>> On Behalf Of Linda
>> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 12:53 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z -
>> What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?
>> 
>> I had an Apple ][ with an acoustic coupler. It auto dialed over a regular 
>> telco
>> dial tone line using a program loaded from a cassette player, or if one could
>> afford it, from an early floppy drive. The college I went to had a Univac
>> 90/70d. The were 4 student dialup numbers. I could get into one of those
>> much like the scene from War Games.  It was fun.
>> 
>> Linda
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 5, 2016, at 11:19 AM, John McKown
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Lester, Bob 
>> wrote:
 
 Hi John,
 
Commodore 64 anyone?  :-)
 
Do you know what OS it ran?
>>> 
>>> ​Some variant of Microsoft BASIC, in ROM.​
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 
Was the HW an x86?  Motorola?  Apple?
>>> 
>>> ​Motorola 8 bit​ 6510 CPU.
>>> 
>>> Apple ][ was the 6502(?). And don't forget the Atari 800 (and lesser
>>> 400), which was 6502 based. Or, the one that I had: Tandy / Radio
>>> Shack's TRS-80 (affectionately known as the "trash-80") which was
>>> Zilog Z-80 (superset of Intel 8080) based. Oh, and the grandfather of
>>> them all (immortalized in "War Games" - how did they get an acoustic
>>> coupled modem to autodial?) was the Imsai 8080. Not to mention
>>> many other CP/M-80 machines, such as Comemco and Altair 8800. These
>>> latter two had the "feature" of being able to toggle individual bytes
>>> into memory via switches on the box. Damn, I'm old.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 
I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and
 wonderful (at the time) things with several of them connected
 together.  No cases, wires everywhere,  but pretty cool anyhow for the
>> time.
 
TGIF, else I'd be in trouble.  :-)
 
 BobL
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Werner Heisenberg is driving down the autobahn. A police officer pulls
>>> him over. The officer says, "Excuse me, sir, do you know how fast you
>>> were going?"
>>> "No," replies Dr. Heisenberg, "but I know where I am."
>>> 
>>> Computer Science is the only discipline in which we view adding a new
>>> wing to a building as being maintenance -- Jim Horning
>>> 
>>> Schrodinger's backup: The condition of any backup is unknown until a
>>> restore is attempted.
>>> 
>>> He's about as useful as a wax frying pan.
>>> 
>>> Maranatha! <><
>>> John McKown
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Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?

2016-02-06 Thread Ed Gould 

On Feb 6, 2016, at 5:57 PM, Gregg wrote:


Did it require a Hayes (compatible) MODEM?


Sorry that is before my time:)

Ed


On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Ed Gould   
wrote:



Yes/NO
There was a command that at dial time would stop call waiting, its  
been

years (sorry).

Ed


On Feb 6, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Chris Hoelscher wrote:

Linda - did you have call waiting? If you forgot to disable it before
"hooking up" that little click/beep indicator of an incoming call  
would

throw me offline (Apple ][+)

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I had an Apple ][ with an acoustic coupler. It auto dialed over a
regular telco
dial tone line using a program loaded from a cassette player, or  
if one

could
afford it, from an early floppy drive. The college I went to had  
a Univac
90/70d. The were 4 student dialup numbers. I could get into one  
of those

much like the scene from War Games.  It was fun.

Linda

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On Feb 5, 2016, at 11:19 AM, John McKown



 wrote:



On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Lester, Bob  




wrote:





Hi John,

Commodore 64 anyone?  :-)

Do you know what OS it ran?



​Some variant of Microsoft BASIC, in ROM.​





Was the HW an x86?  Motorola?  Apple?



​Motorola 8 bit​ 6510 CPU.

Apple ][ was the 6502(?). And don't forget the Atari 800 (and  
lesser

400), which was 6502 based. Or, the one that I had: Tandy / Radio
Shack's TRS-80 (affectionately known as the "trash-80") which was
Zilog Z-80 (superset of Intel 8080) based. Oh, and the  
grandfather of
them all (immortalized in "War Games" - how did they get an  
acoustic

coupled modem to autodial?) was the Imsai 8080. Not to mention
many other CP/M-80 machines, such as Comemco and Altair 8800.  
These
latter two had the "feature" of being able to toggle individual  
bytes

into memory via switches on the box. Damn, I'm old.





I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and
wonderful (at the time) things with several of them connected
together.  No cases, wires everywhere,  but pretty cool anyhow  
for the



time.





TGIF, else I'd be in trouble.  :-)

BobL



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Computer Science is the only discipline in which we view adding  
a new

wing to a building as being maintenance -- Jim Horning

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Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?

2016-02-05 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler 
linda.lst...@comcast.net (Linda) writes:
> I had an Apple ][ with an acoustic coupler. It auto dialed over a
> regular telco dial tone line using a program loaded from a cassette
> player, or if one could afford it, from an early floppy drive. The
> college I went to had a Univac 90/70d. The were 4 student dialup
> numbers. I could get into one of those much like the scene from War
> Games.  It was fun.


TYMSHARE made their CMS-based online computer conferencing available free
to SHARE as VMSHARE starting in Aug1976 ... archives:
http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare

In the 70s, I started trying to get IBM to let me put all the VMSHARE
files up on internal systems ... including the world-wide
sales support HONE system. One of the biggest battles I had
with IBM was the lawyers were afraid that customer information would
contaminate IBM employees.

My brother was Apple regional marketing rep at the time (largest
physical region in CONUS) and I started trying to get him to setup up an
apple that would do terminal emulation for copying all the files down
from TYMSHARE ... he never quite got around to doing it ... although
over the years ... when he would come into town for business meetings I
would get invited to dinners ... and even got to argue with the MAC
developers about design (before MAC was announced).

I eventually had to resort to getting montly tapes mailed from TYMSHARE
... that dumped all VMSHARE files (later added all PCSHARE
files). misc. old email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#vmshare

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Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?

2016-02-05 Thread John McKown 
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Lester, Bob  wrote:

> Hi John,
>
>  Commodore 64 anyone?  :-)
>
>  Do you know what OS it ran?
>

​Some variant of Microsoft BASIC, in ROM.​



>
>  Was the HW an x86?  Motorola?  Apple?
>

​Motorola 8 bit​ 6510 CPU.

Apple ][ was the 6502(?). And don't forget the Atari 800 (and lesser 400),
which was 6502 based. Or, the one that I had: Tandy / Radio Shack's TRS-80
(affectionately known as the "trash-80") which was Zilog Z-80 (superset of
Intel 8080) based. Oh, and the grandfather of them all (immortalized in
"War Games" - how did they get an acoustic coupled modem to autodial?)
was the Imsai 8080. Not to mention many other CP/M-80 machines, such as
Comemco and Altair 8800. These latter two had the "feature" of being able
to toggle individual bytes into memory via switches on the box. Damn, I'm
old.



>
>  I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and wonderful
> (at the time) things with several of them connected together.  No cases,
> wires everywhere,  but pretty cool anyhow for the time.
>
>  TGIF, else I'd be in trouble.  :-)
>
> BobL
>
>

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2016-02-05 Thread Lester, Bob 
Hi John,

 Commodore 64 anyone?  :-)

 Do you know what OS it ran?  

 Was the HW an x86?  Motorola?  Apple?

 I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and wonderful (at 
the time) things with several of them connected together.  No cases, wires 
everywhere,  but pretty cool anyhow for the time.

 TGIF, else I'd be in trouble.  :-)

BobL

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On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Mike Schwab 
wrote:

> CP/M 86 was available but IBM couldn't get a license.  They hired 
> Microsoft to write DOS and they bought QDOS to get started.
>
>
​Yeah. Worst mistake Gary Kindall ever made. Just think, if he'd hadn't "blown 
off" IBM, I'd be cursing his memory (he's deceased) instead of Bill Gates. Or 
maybe not, I ran CP/M-80 back in the day. I really enjoyed it.
But, then, I enjoyed everything more back then.  everything was bright, 
shiny, and new ​



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Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?

2016-02-05 Thread Tom Marchant 
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 19:02:30 +, Lester, Bob wrote:

>Commodore 64 anyone?  :-) 

>Do you know what OS it ran?   

>Was the HW an x86?  Motorola?  Apple?

No. No, and no.

The C-64 used an MOS Technology 6510. It was essentially the same processor as 
the 6502 
used in the Apple II and Atari 400 and 800, with the addition of onboard I/O 
ports.

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Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?

2016-02-05 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler 
bles...@ofiglobal.com (Lester, Bob) writes:
> ​Yeah. Worst mistake Gary Kindall ever made. Just think, if he'd hadn't
> "blown off" IBM, I'd be cursing his memory (he's deceased) instead of
> Bill Gates. Or maybe not, I ran CP/M-80 back in the day. I really
> enjoyed it.  But, then, I enjoyed everything more back then. 
> everything was bright, shiny, and new ​

before ms/dos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-DOS
there was seattle computer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Computer_Products
before seattle computer there was cp/m,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/M
before cp/m, kildall worked with cp67/cms (precursor to vm370) at npg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Postgraduate_School

other trivia ... after 64, commodore did amiga ... which ran ARexx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARexx

ARexx is an implementation of the REXX language for the Amiga, written
in 1987 by William S. Hawes, with a number of Amiga-specific features
beyond standard REXX facilities. Like most REXX implementations, ARexx
is an interpreted language. Programs written for ARexx are called
"scripts", or "macros"; several programs offer the ability to run ARexx
scripts in their main interface as macros.

... snip ...

more trivia ... acorn group in Boca kept claiming that they wouldn't
going to do any software and an IBM group was formed in silicon valley
to write software for acorn. Then at some point the Boca group changed
their mind and wanted responsibility for all software ...  if necessary
contracting with outside groups (some viewed as eliminating internal
competition).

some past mentioning acorn
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#79 Coulda, Woulda, Shoudda moments?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003d.html#19 PC history, was PDP10 and RISC
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005q.html#24 What ever happened to Tandem and 
NonStop OS ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005r.html#8 Intel strikes back with a parallel x86 
design
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#29 "The Elements of Programming Style"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007e.html#5 Is computer history taugh now?

reference
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_Computer#Project_Chess

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Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?

2016-02-05 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht 
Lester, Bob wrote:
 
> Commodore 64 anyone?  :-) 

I owned one then - with speed of 1.0?? MHz. Played games, learned myself 
Assembler, prolog, basic (slow and yucky!), logo (?spelling? that turtle thing 
language - actually a vector based drawing program). 

There were a lots of new things+terms like sprites, garbage collection, game 
cartridges, etc.

And I remember the weird data handling by magnetic tapes - you could overcome 
that weirdo design and more than double up your tape reading/writing times by 
using a much published + free TURBO software.

For more info - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_64

 
> Do you know what OS it ran?   

Own kernel owned by Commodore and Commodore BASIC. You need to use Poke/Peek to 
disable Basic and then go have fun with Assembler.

I am still sorry that when I sold my C64,  I also sold that 300+ pages book 
which gives a detailed line by line overview of that kernel and basic 
interpreter.


> Was the HW an x86?  Motorola?  Apple? 

8 bit MOS Technology 6510 with 64KB memory - Loosely based on Motorola AFAIK. 

I'm not sure what the motherboard was and what chips were on that beside a VIC 
graphics and SID soundchip.

Sound chip was a SID chip invented by an engineer who is also a musician. It 
was a sound synthesizer with 4 'waves' enveloped in 
Attack/Decay/Sustain/Release. It was then at that time the only home computer 
capable playing organ music with all its vibrato + drum effects. ;-)

Game, Sinbad the Sailor, was one of the first games which has a speech 
synthetics used for in-game dialogs by those characters.

You can download a C64 emulator to use on your windoze PC. That worked like a 
charm which I used to replay Manic Miner! (a version of JetSet Willy type game)
 

> I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and wonderful (at 
> the time) things with several of them connected together.  No cases, wires 
> everywhere,  but pretty cool anyhow for the time. 

Connected? How? I only know analog modems and bbs you used for that.
 
> TGIF, else I'd be in trouble.  :-) 

You will never get in trouble and not get any flames! ;-D

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?

2016-02-05 Thread Tom Marchant 
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 13:19:25 -0600, John McKown wrote:

>the grandfather of them all ...
>was the Imsai 8080. Not to mention many other CP/M-80 machines, such as
>Comemco and Altair 8800.

ITYM Cromemco.

The IMSAI was a clone of the Altair. If you want to think of one as the 
"Grandfather", it 
would be the Altair. Or what about the Mark-8? Based upon an Intel 8008, the 
design was 
published in Radio Electronics. I knew someone who built one. That would have 
been 
about 42 years ago.

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Re: Ancient History (OS's) - was : IBM Destination z - What the Heck Is JCL and Why Does It Look So Funny?

2016-02-05 Thread Linda 
I had an Apple ][ with an acoustic coupler. It auto dialed over a regular telco 
dial tone line using a program loaded from a cassette player, or if one could 
afford it, from an early floppy drive. The college I went to had a Univac 
90/70d. The were 4 student dialup numbers. I could get into one of those much 
like the scene from War Games.  It was fun. 

Linda

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> On Feb 5, 2016, at 11:19 AM, John McKown  wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Lester, Bob  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> Commodore 64 anyone?  :-)
>> 
>> Do you know what OS it ran?
> 
> ​Some variant of Microsoft BASIC, in ROM.​
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Was the HW an x86?  Motorola?  Apple?
> 
> ​Motorola 8 bit​ 6510 CPU.
> 
> Apple ][ was the 6502(?). And don't forget the Atari 800 (and lesser 400),
> which was 6502 based. Or, the one that I had: Tandy / Radio Shack's TRS-80
> (affectionately known as the "trash-80") which was Zilog Z-80 (superset of
> Intel 8080) based. Oh, and the grandfather of them all (immortalized in
> "War Games" - how did they get an acoustic coupled modem to autodial?)
> was the Imsai 8080. Not to mention many other CP/M-80 machines, such as
> Comemco and Altair 8800. These latter two had the "feature" of being able
> to toggle individual bytes into memory via switches on the box. Damn, I'm
> old.
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and wonderful
>> (at the time) things with several of them connected together.  No cases,
>> wires everywhere,  but pretty cool anyhow for the time.
>> 
>> TGIF, else I'd be in trouble.  :-)
>> 
>> BobL
> 
> -- 
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> him over. The officer says, "Excuse me, sir, do you know how fast you
> were going?"
> "No," replies Dr. Heisenberg, "but I know where I am."
> 
> Computer Science is the only discipline in which we view adding a new wing
> to a building as being maintenance -- Jim Horning
> 
> Schrodinger's backup: The condition of any backup is unknown until a
> restore is attempted.
> 
> He's about as useful as a wax frying pan.
> 
> Maranatha! <><
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2016-02-05 Thread Tom Marchant 
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 14:00:29 -0600, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:

>8 bit MOS Technology 6510 with 64KB memory - Loosely based on Motorola AFAIK.

Depends on what you mean by "based on". The 6502 was designed by some of the 
same 
people who designed the 6800 at Motorola, but it was a rather different design.

The 6501 and 6502 were designed concurrently. The 6501 was pin-compatible with 
the 6800 
and, like the 6800, required a two-phase clock input. The idea was that the 
6501 could be 
plugged into an existing circuit board designed for the 6800. The instruction 
set and the 
internal architecture were different, though, so they couldn't run the same 
software. The 6502 
has an on-chip two-phase clock generator, simplifying system design. The 6501 
and 6502 
were also quite inexpensive, compared to other processors of the time. The 
price for the 6502 
was $25 for one.

MOS Technology produced the KIM-1 (Keyboard Input Monitor) evaluation board for 
the 6502. 
It included a 6 digit,7-segment LED display, and a hex keypad, as well as a 
teletype interface 
and an audio cassette interface for storing and retrieving data. It had 2K of 
ROM with code to 
operate all of that, and 1K + 128 bytes of RAM. I bought mine in the spring of 
1976, just a 
couple of months before the announcement of the Apple-1.

I expanded the KIM-1 with an additional 24K of memory, as well as a video 
interface. I also 
bought an early Shugart Technology 5MB 5 1/4 inch hard drive for it. That was 
before Shugart 
Associates sued Al Shugart over the use of his name, and Shugart Technology 
changed their 
name to Seagate. 

When I bought my second computer, an Atari 800, I was working on a dual port 
memory card 
for it so that the KIM-1 could access the hard drive and the drive could access 
memory 
directly without slowing down the processor.

The Atari was intended as my travel machine. I worked for Amdahl at the time 
and was on the 
road all the time. I packed the Atari in some cheap luggage and took it with me 
as checked 
baggage on hundreds of flights. No doubt it suffered a lot of abuse, but it 
never failed.

What does this have to do with mainframes? Nothing.

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