Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-10 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In
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on 09/09/2014
   at 11:24 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said:

And the venerable BBC just said that VPN technology should be
restricted by ISPs because heavy users are probably pirates.

The same highly clued BBC that provides public access requiring
proprietary software?
 
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Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-09 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Steve Thompson wrote:

http://www.infotechlead.com/2014/08/28/algar-telecom-replaces-80-hp-servers-ibm-mainframe-platform-25022
New z/Arch box, net new license(s).
Was this z/VM and Linux for z and that is all?

Another interesting consolidating story of several energy-hungry h/w into one 
zBox. This type of consolidating several hardware into one zBox is old news.

AFAIK one of the first such consolidating was in Norway where the guys there 
were astonished to see one z Box could handle 70 Linux partitions with ease and 
no problems encountered with response time (session+overhead) overall plus the 
additional benefit of fewer Linux administrators. Apparently IBM then boasted 
that 70 is not 'many'.

I wish I still have the sources of that story.

Story doesn't tell us.

I will try to find out about that municipality how did they do that trick. Just 
to satisfy my insane curiousity. :-)

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-09 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:

I will try to find out about that municipality how did they do that trick. 
Just to satisfy my insane curiousity. :-)

Curiousity cured. ;-)

From private correspondence: 
That municipality has an old m/f and has upgraded to a new z Box. Some 
applications were carried over, but there are now a good dose of SLES11 SP2 or 
SP3 there with a good lot of applications ported/developed over there. 

Other sources:

http://www.ibm.com/news/za/en/2014/03/31/U770233P58807G38.html
ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com/eserver/zseries/zos/vse/pdf3/wavv14/Linux_on_IBM_System_z_better_and_more_secure.pdf

From http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/44688.wss this (Same text 
from link posted by Steve):

Brazil's Algar Telecom replaced 80 Hewlett-Packard servers with an IBM 
mainframe platform, achieving savings of 50 to 70 percent in data center floor 
space, energy and cooling.  At the same time, Algar increased operational 
efficiency by 30 percent. 

The eThekwini Municipality, a government organization in the province of 
KwaZulu-Natal that provides civic services to the approximately 3.5 million 
citizens of Durban, South Africa.  Utilizing an IBM infrastructure, the 
government reduced the number of physical servers in its environment by 67 
percent and reduced infrastructure complexity by 80 percent.  As a result, it 
was able to improve time savings by 90 percent and launch new products 92 
percent faster.

..etc.

This is not one shop, but many shops which are moving over to z Boxes to use 
zLinux on z/VM.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 05:21:05 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:

 ...  As a result, it was able to improve time savings by 90 percent and 
 launch new products 92 percent faster.
 
Does improve time savings by 90 percent mean that a job that formerly
took 10 hours now takes 1 hour?

Does launch new products 92 percent faster mean that a development
cycle that once took 19.2 months now takes 10 months?

The first is particularly impressive.

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Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-09 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Paul Gilmartin wrote:

Does improve time savings by 90 percent mean that a job that formerly took 
10 hours now takes 1 hour?
Does launch new products 92 percent faster mean that a development cycle 
that once took 19.2 months now takes 10 months?
The first is particularly impressive.

Good observation. I rather take those claims with a pinch of salt. Even more if 
I see 'launch' as starting up the application until it is ready to accept work.

Like Steve, I also wish to see the whole picture. So I went to other source to 
get a better picture, but still nothing to validate those claims:

https://www.suse.com/success/stories/ethekwini-municipality.html

and more: https://www.suse.com/success/ 

Groete / Greeetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-09 Thread Mark Post
 On 9/9/2014 at 08:18 AM, Paul Gilmartin
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: 
 On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 05:21:05 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:

 ...  As a result, it was able to improve time savings by 90 percent and 
 launch new products 92 percent faster.
 
 Does improve time savings by 90 percent mean that a job that formerly
 took 10 hours now takes 1 hour?

More likely that it reduced the amount of people time to assemble systems, 
manage system hardware, network infrastructure, etc.


Mark Post

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Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-09 Thread Aled Hughes
Thanks for that 'cure' Elardus, much appreciated! 

Now, why don't IBM use this information to advertize their wares? If I was in 
IBM 'marketing', this would be broadcast on TV ads and newspaper ads! Please 
wake up the IT world to good news, IBM, and 'share the word'! Wouldn't it be in 
IBM's interest to promote such a solution? Or am I being naïve?

OK, rant off. Time to go pick some tomatoes. 

ALH






 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?


Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:

I will try to find out about that municipality how did they do that trick. 
Just 
to satisfy my insane curiousity. :-)

Curiousity cured. ;-)

From private correspondence: 
That municipality has an old m/f and has upgraded to a new z Box. Some 
applications were carried over, but there are now a good dose of SLES11 SP2 or 
SP3 there with a good lot of applications ported/developed over there. 

Other sources:

http://www.ibm.com/news/za/en/2014/03/31/U770233P58807G38.html
ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com/eserver/zseries/zos/vse/pdf3/wavv14/Linux_on_IBM_System_z_better_and_more_secure.pdf

From http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/44688.wss this (Same text 
from link posted by Steve):

Brazil's Algar Telecom replaced 80 Hewlett-Packard servers with an IBM 
mainframe platform, achieving savings of 50 to 70 percent in data center floor 
space, energy and cooling.  At the same time, Algar increased operational 
efficiency by 30 percent. 

The eThekwini Municipality, a government organization in the province of 
KwaZulu-Natal that provides civic services to the approximately 3.5 million 
citizens of Durban, South Africa.  Utilizing an IBM infrastructure, the 
government reduced the number of physical servers in its environment by 67 
percent and reduced infrastructure complexity by 80 percent.  As a result, it 
was able to improve time savings by 90 percent and launch new products 92 
percent faster.

..etc.

This is not one shop, but many shops which are moving over to z Boxes to use 
zLinux on z/VM.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-09 Thread Mullen, Patrick
Hey, I remember that old m/f when it was a brand new m/f. Back when eThekwini 
Municipality was known as Durban Corporation, I'm thinking 1988 timeframe, the 
company I worked for then, Persetel, replaced an (I'm going to say, but memory 
may fail me here) ICL mainframe with one of our Hitachi boxes, as well as 
running the project to convert all applications off the ICL and rewriting 
everything on to run on MVS using Ideal/Datacom.

I wasn't directly involved as I was site Systems Engineer on several of 
Persetel's other major accounts in Durban, Toyota, Prefcor and KwaZulu 
Government (my favorite account, the drive from Durban up to Ulundi is just 
splendid). My colleague and all round great guy Tony Yates was site SE for the 
Corporation.

 

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Subject: Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?


Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:

From private correspondence: 
That municipality has an old m/f and has upgraded to a new z Box. Some 
applications were carried over, but there are now a good dose of SLES11 SP2 or
SP3 there with a good lot of applications ported/developed over there.

The eThekwini Municipality, a government organization in the province of 
KwaZulu-Natal that provides civic services to the approximately 3.5 million 
citizens of Durban, South Africa.  Utilizing an IBM infrastructure, the 
government reduced the number of physical servers in its environment by 67 
percent and reduced infrastructure complexity by 80 percent.  As a result, it 
was able to improve time savings by 90 percent and launch new products 92 
percent faster.

..etc.

This is not one shop, but many shops which are moving over to z Boxes to use 
zLinux on z/VM.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-09 Thread Mike Schwab
Somebody stole the servers ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-NpLu2xC38

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Aled Hughes
0050619ca8df-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:
 Thanks for that 'cure' Elardus, much appreciated!

 Now, why don't IBM use this information to advertize their wares? If I was in 
 IBM 'marketing', this would be broadcast on TV ads and newspaper ads! Please 
 wake up the IT world to good news, IBM, and 'share the word'! Wouldn't it be 
 in IBM's interest to promote such a solution? Or am I being naïve?

 OK, rant off. Time to go pick some tomatoes.

 ALH












 -Original Message-
 From: Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
 To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 11:21
 Subject: Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?


 Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:

I will try to find out about that municipality how did they do that trick. 
Just
 to satisfy my insane curiousity. :-)

 Curiousity cured. ;-)

 From private correspondence:
 That municipality has an old m/f and has upgraded to a new z Box. Some
 applications were carried over, but there are now a good dose of SLES11 SP2 or
 SP3 there with a good lot of applications ported/developed over there.

 Other sources:

 http://www.ibm.com/news/za/en/2014/03/31/U770233P58807G38.html
 ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com/eserver/zseries/zos/vse/pdf3/wavv14/Linux_on_IBM_System_z_better_and_more_secure.pdf

 From http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/44688.wss this (Same text
 from link posted by Steve):

 Brazil's Algar Telecom replaced 80 Hewlett-Packard servers with an IBM
 mainframe platform, achieving savings of 50 to 70 percent in data center floor
 space, energy and cooling.  At the same time, Algar increased operational
 efficiency by 30 percent. 

 The eThekwini Municipality, a government organization in the province of
 KwaZulu-Natal that provides civic services to the approximately 3.5 million
 citizens of Durban, South Africa.  Utilizing an IBM infrastructure, the
 government reduced the number of physical servers in its environment by 67
 percent and reduced infrastructure complexity by 80 percent.  As a result, it
 was able to improve time savings by 90 percent and launch new products 92
 percent faster.

 ..etc.

 This is not one shop, but many shops which are moving over to z Boxes to use
 zLinux on z/VM.

 Groete / Greetings
 Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-09 Thread Aled Hughes
Thanks Mike, but I believe that is shown only in the US. 
Us mere mortals in the Olde Worlde get no such gems. And that is quite a good 
ad as ads go. 

ALH

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?


Somebody stole the servers ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-NpLu2xC38

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Aled Hughes
0050619ca8df-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:
 Thanks for that 'cure' Elardus, much appreciated!

 Now, why don't IBM use this information to advertize their wares? If I was in 
IBM 'marketing', this would be broadcast on TV ads and newspaper ads! Please 
wake up the IT world to good news, IBM, and 'share the word'! Wouldn't it be in 
IBM's interest to promote such a solution? Or am I being naïve?

 OK, rant off. Time to go pick some tomatoes.

 ALH












 -Original Message-
 From: Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
 To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 11:21
 Subject: Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?


 Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:

I will try to find out about that municipality how did they do that trick. 
Just
 to satisfy my insane curiousity. :-)

 Curiousity cured. ;-)

 From private correspondence:
 That municipality has an old m/f and has upgraded to a new z Box. Some
 applications were carried over, but there are now a good dose of SLES11 SP2 or
 SP3 there with a good lot of applications ported/developed over there.

 Other sources:

 http://www.ibm.com/news/za/en/2014/03/31/U770233P58807G38.html
 ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com/eserver/zseries/zos/vse/pdf3/wavv14/Linux_on_IBM_System_z_better_and_more_secure.pdf

 From http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/44688.wss this (Same text
 from link posted by Steve):

 Brazil's Algar Telecom replaced 80 Hewlett-Packard servers with an IBM
 mainframe platform, achieving savings of 50 to 70 percent in data center floor
 space, energy and cooling.  At the same time, Algar increased operational
 efficiency by 30 percent. 

 The eThekwini Municipality, a government organization in the province of
 KwaZulu-Natal that provides civic services to the approximately 3.5 million
 citizens of Durban, South Africa.  Utilizing an IBM infrastructure, the
 government reduced the number of physical servers in its environment by 67
 percent and reduced infrastructure complexity by 80 percent.  As a result, it
 was able to improve time savings by 90 percent and launch new products 92
 percent faster.

 ..etc.

 This is not one shop, but many shops which are moving over to z Boxes to use
 zLinux on z/VM.

 Groete / Greetings
 Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 10:40:57 -0400, Aled Hughes wrote:

Thanks Mike, but I believe that is shown only in the US. 
Us mere mortals in the Olde Worlde get no such gems. And that is quite a good 
ad as ads go. 

VPN might be your friend here.  There are commercial services.
Proxies?

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To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Somebody stole the servers ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-NpLu2xC38

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Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-09 Thread Aled Hughes


Gil, I'm not sure what you are referring to. I was discussing IBM's lack of 
'selling the message' either by advertizing on TV or the press here in Europe. 
And as Steve Comstock said, has IBM done anything like that 'server' ad in 2006 
which I did see when I lived over there? 

Perhaps Mr T might wish to comment? He has a great grasp of what's going on! 

Cheers
ALH

 

 

 

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 10:40:57 -0400, Aled Hughes wrote:

Thanks Mike, but I believe that is shown only in the US. 
Us mere mortals in the Olde Worlde get no such gems. And that is quite a good 
ad 
as ads go. 

VPN might be your friend here.  There are commercial services.
Proxies?

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To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Somebody stole the servers ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-NpLu2xC38

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Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 11:00:29 -0400, Aled Hughes wrote:

Gil, I'm not sure what you are referring to. I was discussing IBM's lack of 
'selling the message' either by advertizing on TV or the press here in Europe. 
And as Steve Comstock said, has IBM done anything like that 'server' ad in 
2006 which I did see when I lived over there? 

I meant that VPN or a proxy can make it appear that you're connecting from
a site in the US, perhaps allowing you to view content that's blocked outside
the U.S.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 15:46

On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 10:40:57 -0400, Aled Hughes wrote:

Thanks Mike, but I believe that is shown only in the US. 
Us mere mortals in the Olde Worlde get no such gems. And that is quite a good 
ad 
as ads go. 

VPN might be your friend here.  There are commercial services.
Proxies?

-Original Message-
From: Mike Schwab
To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Somebody stole the servers ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-NpLu2xC38

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Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-09 Thread Aled Hughes
OK, thanks, I now understand what you meant. 

I would prefer if IBM would have ads here in Europe (and other non US 
countries) extolling the virtues of the MF in such circumstances which could 
show prospects the benefits of the MF, and perhaps how it has adapted to new 
solutions. 

Cheers
ALH


 

 

 

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 11:00:29 -0400, Aled Hughes wrote:

Gil, I'm not sure what you are referring to. I was discussing IBM's lack of 
'selling the message' either by advertizing on TV or the press here in Europe. 
And as Steve Comstock said, has IBM done anything like that 'server' ad in 2006 
which I did see when I lived over there? 

I meant that VPN or a proxy can make it appear that you're connecting from
a site in the US, perhaps allowing you to view content that's blocked outside
the U.S.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 15:46

On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 10:40:57 -0400, Aled Hughes wrote:

Thanks Mike, but I believe that is shown only in the US. 
Us mere mortals in the Olde Worlde get no such gems. And that is quite a good 
ad 

as ads go. 

VPN might be your friend here.  There are commercial services.
Proxies?

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To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Somebody stole the servers ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-NpLu2xC38

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Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-09 Thread John McKown
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Paul Gilmartin
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:
 On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 11:00:29 -0400, Aled Hughes wrote:

Gil, I'm not sure what you are referring to. I was discussing IBM's lack of 
'selling the message' either by advertizing on TV or the press here in 
Europe. And as Steve Comstock said, has IBM done anything like that 'server' 
ad in 2006 which I did see when I lived over there?

 I meant that VPN or a proxy can make it appear that you're connecting from
 a site in the US, perhaps allowing you to view content that's blocked outside
 the U.S.

And the venerable BBC just said that VPN technology should be
restricted by ISPs because heavy users are probably pirates.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/09/heavy_vpn_users_are_probably_pirates_says_bbc/


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Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-09 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2014-09-09 o 18:24, John McKown pisze:

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Paul Gilmartin
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:

[...]
I meant that VPN or a proxy can make it appear that you're connecting from
a site in the US, perhaps allowing you to view content that's blocked outside
the U.S.

And the venerable BBC just said that VPN technology should be
restricted by ISPs because heavy users are probably pirates.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/09/heavy_vpn_users_are_probably_pirates_says_bbc/


I heard that heavy knife users are bad guys, just to mention Jack the 
Ripper.

I also heard that mp3 format is illegal and shouldn't be used.
I'm writing these (quite off topic) words using VPN and listening Seven 
Gates of Jerusalem from mp3 file...


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Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-09 Thread Shane Ginnane
And the venerable BBC just said that VPN technology should be
restricted by ISPs because heavy users are probably pirates.

The BBC is unlikely to get much (user) sympathy here given it's geo-blocking 
attitude.
Here's another opinion on what we Aussies have to put up with - and Choice have 
made submissions to Parliament as well:

http://www.choice.com.au/media-and-news/media-releases/2014-media-releases/aussies%20paying%20more%20for%20the%20same%20digital%20content.aspx

Shane ...

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Re: Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-09 Thread David Crayford

On 10/09/2014 6:51 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote:

The BBC is unlikely to get much (user) sympathy here given it's geo-blocking 
attitude.
I'm sure the BBC would love to give away their (the license payers) 
content to the world if they could. Murdoch and his mob might have a 
thing or two to say about it.


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Another shop that has -- no, wait, what?

2014-09-08 Thread Steve Thompson

http://www.infotechlead.com/2014/08/28/algar-telecom-replaces-80-hp-servers-ibm-mainframe-platform-25022

New z/Arch box, net new license(s).

Was this z/VM and Linux for z and that is all?

Story doesn't tell us.

Later,
Steve.T

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