Re: DFSMS: Can CDSs and UCAT, be SMS managed or not ??
Caveat: insert the daily delay for listServ digestion here... Small v1.12 monoplex shop. Our (my) mandate is that unless there's a good/valid reason/justification, any given dataset should be SMS managed. [1] As such, my CDSs are non-managed [2] since I inherited them that way and see no reason/benefit to change; being all of 5 cylinders each. All my uCats are managed and directed to a restricted access pool along with (non-z/OS) LinkList, procLibs, and zUnix root(s). DB2 uCats are pooled with the table/index spaces strictly for FlashCopy consistency. [3] z/OS volumes are non-managed because the guy in charge won't consider SMS at all. He manages those volumes himself and the StorClas ACS routine has specific code to avoid them. [1] The mCat(s) are on those volumes as well. Follow-up tips: 1) I have multiple ACDS on different volumes; 3 of which include FAILOVR in their name. As part of the process to harden/finalize a new configuration, I issue SETSMS SAVEACDS(ACDS.FAILOVR#) for each. It allows me to endure 3 volume failures [4] before I need to panic; using SETSMS ACDS(ACDS.FAILOVR#). I have the same for the CommDS. 2) One housekeeping item to consider is moving APF-only ie. not LinkList as well, datasets to SMS managed. Then, the ParmLib APF entries use the volume *SMS* and they can be moved around if/as desired ie. HSM interval processing, FDRMove. [1] My ACS routine(s) auto-assign class values unless specifically directed not to ie. StorClas=[nonSMS | None], volSer=nonSMS, HLQ=nonSMS, etc. [2] I am prepared for the eventuality by including them in the DataSet Separation profile. [3] We had catalogue consistency problems with DR when the uCats were in a different pool and backed up at a different time of day. That led to moving them into the same storage pool. [4] Although Rad will point out that 'volumes' are strictly a logical construct not actually reflected in the physical storage medium. *grin* > signature = 6 lines follows < Neil Duffee, Joe Sysprog, uOttawa, Ottawa, Ont, Canada telephone:1 613 562 5800 x4585 fax:1 613 562 5161 mailto:NDuffee of uOttawa.ca http:/ /aix1.uOttawa.ca/ ~nduffee “How *do* you plan for something like that?” Guardian Bob, Reboot “For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.” “Systems Programming: Guilty, until proven innocent” John Norgauer 2004 -Original Message- From: Toni Cecil [mailto:ac...@gma...com] Sent: February 22, 2015 13:34 Subject: Re: DFSMS: Can CDSs and UCAT, be SMS managed or not ?? [snip] talking about DFSMS ACDS,SCDS and COMMDS (i'll refer CDSs hereafter). The reason for this question is that I have "all flavours". Systems with UCAT be SMS managed and CDSs not be sms managed. CDSs be SMS managed and UCAT not sms managed. I wonder if there was any "not mandatory but very much advisable rule" to set up these datasets. In all cases, each of these CDSs is placed in one dedicated dasd volume. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:42 PM, R.S. wrote: > W dniu 2015-02-18 o 18:27, Toni Cecil pisze: > >> do you know any consideration to have ACS,SCDS and COMMDS as sms >> managed or not ?? and how about the catalog where these datasets are >> placed ?? >> I'm with z/os V1.13 >> > According to ServerPac Installation Dialog the CDSes have to be > cataloged in MCAT, but this is not true. > I have never put those CDSes on SMS-managed volume and I think there > is good reason for that, like never putting spare door key inside the room. > However AFAIR there is no requirement for those datasets to be not > SMS-managed. There is no requirement to be SMS-managed as well. > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DFSMS: Can CDSs and UCAT, be SMS managed or not ??
It occurred to me after my previous post that you were indeed talking about DFSMS itself. I've never been in-house for a migration to SMS, so I don't know the history. I could see a chicken-and-egg problem in putting SMS resources under control of a product that has not yet been installed. ;-) In our case, all SMS related data sets and user catalogs live on non-SMS volumes. I can't see any benefit in making them SMS managed, although you have shown that it's possible. . . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Toni Cecil Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 10:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DFSMS: Can CDSs and UCAT, be SMS managed or not ?? Hello, Thx for your replies, I'm talking about DFSMS ACDS,SCDS and COMMDS (i'll refer CDSs hereafter). The reason for this question is that I have "all flavours". Systems with UCAT be SMS managed and CDSs not be sms managed. CDSs be SMS managed and UCAT not sms managed. I wonder if there was any "not mandatory but very much advisable rule" to set up these datasets. In all cases, each of these CDSs is placed in one dedicated dasd volume. Many thx one more, A.Cecilio. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:42 PM, R.S. wrote: > W dniu 2015-02-18 o 18:27, Toni Cecil pisze: > >> Hello, >> do you know any consideration to have ACS,SCDS and COMMDS as sms >> managed or not ?? and how about the catalog where these datasets are >> placed ?? >> I'm with z/os V1.13 >> >> > According to ServerPac Installation Dialog the CDSes have to be > cataloged in MCAT, but this is not true. > I have never put those CDSes on SMS-managed volume and I think there > is good reason for that, like never putting spare door key inside the room. > However AFAIR there is no requirement for those datasets to be not > SMS-managed. There is no requirement to be SMS-managed as well. > > > HTH > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DFSMS: Can CDSs and UCAT, be SMS managed or not ??
Hello, Thx for your replies, I'm talking about DFSMS ACDS,SCDS and COMMDS (i'll refer CDSs hereafter). The reason for this question is that I have "all flavours". Systems with UCAT be SMS managed and CDSs not be sms managed. CDSs be SMS managed and UCAT not sms managed. I wonder if there was any "not mandatory but very much advisable rule" to set up these datasets. In all cases, each of these CDSs is placed in one dedicated dasd volume. Many thx one more, A.Cecilio. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:42 PM, R.S. wrote: > W dniu 2015-02-18 o 18:27, Toni Cecil pisze: > >> Hello, >> do you know any consideration to have ACS,SCDS and COMMDS as sms managed >> or >> not ?? and how about the catalog where these datasets are placed ?? >> I'm with z/os V1.13 >> >> > According to ServerPac Installation Dialog the CDSes have to be cataloged > in MCAT, but this is not true. > I have never put those CDSes on SMS-managed volume and I think there is > good reason for that, like never putting spare door key inside the room. > However AFAIR there is no requirement for those datasets to be not > SMS-managed. There is no requirement to be SMS-managed as well. > > > HTH > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > -- > Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku > przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być > jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś > adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej > przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, > rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie > zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, > prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale > usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub > zapisane na dysku. > > This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is > intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be > received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If > you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee > authorized to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any > dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is > legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by > mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in > your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any > copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. > > mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, > www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl > Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego > Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: > 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2015 r. kapitał zakładowy mBanku > S.A. (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 168.840.228 złotych. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DFSMS: Can CDSs and UCAT, be SMS managed or not ??
I can say for sure that our HSM (that's what we're discussing, right?) datasets are in user catalogs. As for SMS, we use RLS for HSM control data sets, which (I believe) requires SMS management. I remember having to make that change to implement RLS, which I highly recommend if you have the option. . . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 9:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DFSMS: Can CDSs and UCAT, be SMS managed or not ?? W dniu 2015-02-18 o 18:27, Toni Cecil pisze: > Hello, > do you know any consideration to have ACS,SCDS and COMMDS as sms > managed or not ?? and how about the catalog where these datasets are placed ?? > I'm with z/os V1.13 > According to ServerPac Installation Dialog the CDSes have to be cataloged in MCAT, but this is not true. I have never put those CDSes on SMS-managed volume and I think there is good reason for that, like never putting spare door key inside the room. However AFAIR there is no requirement for those datasets to be not SMS-managed. There is no requirement to be SMS-managed as well. HTH -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DFSMS: Can CDSs and UCAT, be SMS managed or not ??
W dniu 2015-02-18 o 18:27, Toni Cecil pisze: Hello, do you know any consideration to have ACS,SCDS and COMMDS as sms managed or not ?? and how about the catalog where these datasets are placed ?? I'm with z/os V1.13 According to ServerPac Installation Dialog the CDSes have to be cataloged in MCAT, but this is not true. I have never put those CDSes on SMS-managed volume and I think there is good reason for that, like never putting spare door key inside the room. However AFAIR there is no requirement for those datasets to be not SMS-managed. There is no requirement to be SMS-managed as well. HTH -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorized to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2015 r. kapitał zakładowy mBanku S.A. (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 168.840.228 złotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
DFSMS: Can CDSs and UCAT, be SMS managed or not ??
Hello, do you know any consideration to have ACS,SCDS and COMMDS as sms managed or not ?? and how about the catalog where these datasets are placed ?? I'm with z/os V1.13 Many thx, Antonio Cecilio. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
