Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Charles Mills]

Just to be absolutely clear, let me add that I actually live in Sonoma
County, about nine miles south of the Mendocino County line. (Hmm, that
would make a good song title ...) I live on .39 acres and do not participate
in any agricultural activities.

Charles

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Behalf Of Charles Mills
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Triangle 

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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Mike Schwab]

I subscribe via gmail.com webpage.  I occasionally get bounces.  It
looks like the email takes two routes to the list server and the
second is rejected as duplicate (the first gets posted).  Possibility
of NSA copy leaking to list server.

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 2:01 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht
 wrote:
> Charles Mills wrote:
>
>>1. Is anyone else getting occasional bounces when posting to IBMMAIN? I have 
>>started getting them sometimes. A retry sometimes produces another bounce; 
>>eventually the post goes through, obviously.
>
> How are you posting to IBM-MAIN? Via e-mail or via the IBM-MAIN webpage?
>
> I am using the IBM-MAIN webpage using my work network resources.
>
>>2. I am on a small rural ISP.
>
> Sometimes a small rural ISP is cheaper and you get excellent services, but 
> this is not working here in Sunny, Hot and Dry South Africa. There is only 
> one landline company and they regulate all these ISP companies via bandwidth 
> monopoly. Grrr.
>
> If I post something after hours, I connect directly to my cell-phone company 
> using the monthly data bundles and quad card with a SIM card inserted. So the 
> cell-phone company is basically yet another ISP in a way. No propriety spam 
> pages etc. from that cell-phone company advertising itself and their peers.
>
> I'm not using an ISP who then requires you to buy a link / connection on an 
> ADSL landline. That setup results in double costs, where I then have to pay 
> the ISP as well as the landline phone company.
>
> Groete / Greetings
> Elardus Engelbrecht
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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Charles Mills]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Triangle 

Charles

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On 22/02/2016 9:52 AM, Charles Mills wrote:
> Although I think now they have co-located their servers at Sonic or 
> someone like that. Part of the reason, IIRC, is that their building is 
> not real rain-tight, and it rains a lot here in the Emerald Triangle.

Why is it called the Emerald Triangle?

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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[David L. Craig]

On 16Feb22:0100-0600, Darren Evans-Young wrote:

> Define quality.

"Conformance to requirements"  --Harold S. Geneen
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 You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then.
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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Ed Gould]

There have been more ads on here for one.

Ed
On Feb 22, 2016, at 1:00 AM, Darren Evans-Young wrote:


Not sure how to take this comment...
Define quality.

Darren

On Mon, 22 Feb 2016, Ed Gould wrote:


Agreed, ever since Darren "retired" the quality of the list has
declined.


Ed
On Feb 21, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Joel C. Ewing wrote:

SNIP-

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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Linda]

I am posting this because of the  timing.  I am subscribed by email. As far as 
I know, I have not had anything bounce. I have recently started receiving posts 
marked BULK.  About a fourth to a third are now marked that way, but they are 
still delivered. Not sure if it is related.  

For example, the UADS thread was marked bulk for most of the thread, but later 
the bulk label stopped.

Linda

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2016, at 5:54 PM, Darren Evans-Young  wrote:
> 
> Let's not start inundating John Watters with emails about IBM-MAIN. I know
> John and worked with him my entire career at UA. He was my manager most of
> that time. I think the Helpdesk misrouted the problem to him. He has
> nothing to do with Listserv.  I will contact him.
> 
> Darren
> 
> 
>> On Sun, 21 Feb 2016, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
>> 
>> Since John was not really in a position to know, I vote we inform him
>> that not only does IBM-MAIN still exist on listserv.ua.edu, but that it
>> is one of the more active and successful listserv groups supported
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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Gibney, David Allen,Jr]

I would suggest gnore this comment. 

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 11:00 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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> 
> Not sure how to take this comment...
> Define quality.
> 
> Darren
> 
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2016, Ed Gould wrote:
> 
> >Agreed, ever since Darren "retired" the quality of the list has
> >declined.
> >
> >
> >Ed
> >On Feb 21, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
> >
> >SNIP-
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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Charles Mills wrote:

>1. Is anyone else getting occasional bounces when posting to IBMMAIN? I have 
>started getting them sometimes. A retry sometimes produces another bounce; 
>eventually the post goes through, obviously.

How are you posting to IBM-MAIN? Via e-mail or via the IBM-MAIN webpage?

I am using the IBM-MAIN webpage using my work network resources.

>2. I am on a small rural ISP.

Sometimes a small rural ISP is cheaper and you get excellent services, but this 
is not working here in Sunny, Hot and Dry South Africa. There is only one 
landline company and they regulate all these ISP companies via bandwidth 
monopoly. Grrr.

If I post something after hours, I connect directly to my cell-phone company 
using the monthly data bundles and quad card with a SIM card inserted. So the 
cell-phone company is basically yet another ISP in a way. No propriety spam 
pages etc. from that cell-phone company advertising itself and their peers.

I'm not using an ISP who then requires you to buy a link / connection on an 
ADSL landline. That setup results in double costs, where I then have to pay the 
ISP as well as the landline phone company.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Darren Evans-Young]

Not sure how to take this comment...
Define quality.

Darren

On Mon, 22 Feb 2016, Ed Gould wrote:

>Agreed, ever since Darren "retired" the quality of the list has
>declined.
>
>
>Ed
>On Feb 21, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
>
>SNIP-
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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[David Crayford]

On 22/02/2016 9:52 AM, Charles Mills wrote:

Although I think now they have co-located their servers at Sonic or someone
like that. Part of the reason, IIRC, is that their building is not real
rain-tight, and it rains a lot here in the Emerald Triangle.


Why is it called the Emerald Triangle?

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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Ed Gould]

Agreed, ever since Darren "retired" the quality of the list has  
declined.



Ed
On Feb 21, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Joel C. Ewing wrote:

SNIP-

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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Charles Mills]

Darren, thanks! Any idea what the root problem is? Here is the original note
to John:

We have had problems with our mail server resolving the DNS for your list
server ibm-main@listserv.ua.edu. I contacted the UA IT help desk and they
said you were the list manager and I should direct my question to you. 

I have included below the error we are seeing on our server as well as a
screenshot of DNSStuff.com that is reporting the same MX error we are seeing
on our side. The main error is:
Sorry, I couldn't find any host named listserv.ua.edu. (#5.1.2)

If I query the MX records I do get an MX response but I cannot query the SOA
records.  We sent out aver 75K messages yesterday and your domain was the
only one that failed an MX lookup (Well we had 67 errors of failed lookups
but they were all typos, i.e. .con instead of .com type of thing).

Can you take a look at your DNS records and let me know if you see a
problem. Thanks!

Charles

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Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 5:54 PM
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Subject: Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

Let's not start inundating John Watters with emails about IBM-MAIN. I know
John and worked with him my entire career at UA. He was my manager most of
that time. I think the Helpdesk misrouted the problem to him. He has nothing
to do with Listserv.  I will contact him.

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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Darren Evans-Young]

Let's not start inundating John Watters with emails about IBM-MAIN. I know
John and worked with him my entire career at UA. He was my manager most of
that time. I think the Helpdesk misrouted the problem to him. He has
nothing to do with Listserv.  I will contact him.

Darren


On Sun, 21 Feb 2016, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
>
>Since John was not really in a position to know, I vote we inform him
>that not only does IBM-MAIN still exist on listserv.ua.edu, but that it
>is one of the more active and successful listserv groups supported

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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Jack J. Woehr]

Jack J. Woehr wrote:
I'm assuming it's the "too often" problem There are other problems, e.g., intermittent misconfiguration of the request 
to uribl.com that could cause uribl.com to refuse the request.


Another possibility ... I like this one ... is that your mail server is s-l-o-w to respond to a reverse DNS query. If 
so, maybe UA times out waiting for uribl.com to reply, and sends

it again to uribl.com, which then bounces the request as 'too often'.

Your SMTP server doesn't happen to be some smalltown ISP or some really slow 
piece of mainframe software by chance?

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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Jack J. Woehr]

Charles Mills wrote:

I sent this once already but it seems to have disappeared entirely --
neither posted nor bounced.

I halfway "get" DNS and SMTP and all that but I am not sufficiently an
expert to debate with someone who thinks they are. Here is the server log
supplied by my ISP for one of the bounces:




Feb 20 10:52:42 mailfe qmail: 1455994362.370707 delivery 826049: deferral:
Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/_130.160.0.24
:_Timeout_connecting/


Okay, once they are having problems with you, they put you on a timeout, e.g., 
60 seconds between the last
transaction and the next connection of the suspicious server (your server)

They're using a free, low-volume service uribl.com to do reverse DNS lookups on SMTP clients such as your server that 
contact UA.


Reverse DNS tries to establish that your server *might conceivably* be who it says it is. Passing a Reverse DNS query 
doesn't mean you're not a spammer,

but failing such a query proves you are. uribl.com exists to facilitate such 
queries for low-volume servers.

If UA uses uribl.com too often in a minute, uribl.com which is a low-volume, free service sends back a failure message 
triggering a SpamAssassin rule:


"X-Gwh-Spam-Flags: 
BAYES_00,FROM_LOCAL_HEX,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,URIBL_BLOCKED"

The rule is URLBL_BLOCKED .. UA then decides to reject your message.

I'm assuming it's the "too often" problem There are other problems, e.g., intermittent misconfiguration of the request 
to uribl.com that could cause uribl.com to refuse the request.


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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Charles Mills]

I halfway "get" DNS and SMTP and all that but I am not sufficiently an
expert to debate with someone who thinks they are. Here is the server log
supplied by my ISP for one of the bounces:

Feb 20 10:51:42 mailfe qmail: 1455994302.150110 new msg 393337
(faf14e4e-d802-11e5-9c96-00505681fcd5)
Feb 20 10:51:42 mailfe qmail: 1455994302.150142 info msg 393337: bytes 2243
from  qp 5036 uid 64011
Feb 20 10:51:42 mailfe qmail: 1455994302.150151 starting delivery 826049:
msg 393337 to remote ibm-main@listserv.ua.edu
Feb 20 10:52:42 mailfe qmail: 1455994362.370707 delivery 826049: deferral:
Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/_130.160.0.24
:_Timeout_connecting/
Feb 20 10:58:22 mailfe qmail: 1455994702.288494 starting delivery 826471:
msg 393337 to remote ibm-main@listserv.ua.edu
Feb 20 10:59:22 mailfe qmail: 1455994762.586935 delivery 826471: deferral:
Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/_130.160.0.24
:_Timeout_connecting/
Feb 20 11:18:22 mailfe qmail: 1455995902.097412 starting delivery 828305:
msg 393337 to remote ibm-main@listserv.ua.edu
Feb 20 11:18:22 mailfe qmail: 1455995902.177151 delivery 828305: failure:
Sorry,_I_couldn't_find_any_host_named_listserv.ua.edu._(#5.1.2)/
Feb 20 11:18:22 mailfe qmail: 1455995902.201043 bounce msg 393337 qp 3913
Feb 20 11:18:22 mailfe qmail: 1455995902.201068 end msg 393337

Charles

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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Charles Mills]

I sent this once already but it seems to have disappeared entirely --
neither posted nor bounced.

I halfway "get" DNS and SMTP and all that but I am not sufficiently an
expert to debate with someone who thinks they are. Here is the server log
supplied by my ISP for one of the bounces:

Feb 20 10:51:42 mailfe qmail: 1455994302.150110 new msg 393337
(faf14e4e-d802-11e5-9c96-00505681fcd5)
Feb 20 10:51:42 mailfe qmail: 1455994302.150142 info msg 393337: bytes 2243
from  qp 5036 uid 64011
Feb 20 10:51:42 mailfe qmail: 1455994302.150151 starting delivery 826049:
msg 393337 to remote ibm-main@listserv.ua.edu
Feb 20 10:52:42 mailfe qmail: 1455994362.370707 delivery 826049: deferral:
Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/_130.160.0.24
:_Timeout_connecting/
Feb 20 10:58:22 mailfe qmail: 1455994702.288494 starting delivery 826471:
msg 393337 to remote ibm-main@listserv.ua.edu
Feb 20 10:59:22 mailfe qmail: 1455994762.586935 delivery 826471: deferral:
Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/_130.160.0.24
:_Timeout_connecting/
Feb 20 11:18:22 mailfe qmail: 1455995902.097412 starting delivery 828305:
msg 393337 to remote ibm-main@listserv.ua.edu
Feb 20 11:18:22 mailfe qmail: 1455995902.177151 delivery 828305: failure:
Sorry,_I_couldn't_find_any_host_named_listserv.ua.edu._(#5.1.2)/
Feb 20 11:18:22 mailfe qmail: 1455995902.201043 bounce msg 393337 qp 3913
Feb 20 11:18:22 mailfe qmail: 1455995902.201068 end msg 393337

Charles

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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Chris Hoelscher]

Would make a great star trek episode ...
The trouble with URIBLS 

Chris Hoelscher
Technology Architect, Database Infrastructure Services
Technology Solution Services
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> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] IBMMAIN bounces and related issues
> 
> Charles Mills wrote:
> > Seven greens and three yellows. I don't think it is a SPAM filter problem --
> the server logs indicate it is a DNS problem.
> 
> Apparently UA is using URIBL to scope you out and botching the job.
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[Jack J. Woehr]

Charles Mills wrote:

Seven greens and three yellows. I don't think it is a SPAM filter problem -- 
the server logs indicate it is a DNS problem.


Apparently UA is using URIBL to scope you out and botching the job.

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[Charles Mills]

Seven greens and three yellows. I don't think it is a SPAM filter problem -- 
the server logs indicate it is a DNS problem.

Charles

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Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 4:35 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

> On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 11:42:58 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
> >
>> >>1. Is anyone else getting occasional bounces when posting to IBMMAIN?
Charles could test his outgoing server on 
http://www.allaboutspam.com/email-server-test/

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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Jack J. Woehr]

My mistake, it's more subtle than that. UA's reverse lookup of your address was 
blocked.

"If an email you sent bounced, and included a link to this page, then it was rejected because the receiver has not 
implemented URIBL lookups correctly. URIBL uses bitmask responses to indicate a domain being listed. Our Implementation 
guidelines  provide the bitmask responses. All queries that we refuse, 
we return a 127.0.0.1 response to, as bit 0x1 is not used for domain classification. SpamAssassin 
 supports the 0x1 bitmask response, and provides a URIBL_BLOCKED rule which will fire if 
the query was refused by URIBL. "


Jack J. Woehr wrote:

CM Poncelet wrote:

These are the headers (starting from the bottom upwards), if it helps.


X-Gwh-Spam-Flags: 
BAYES_00,FROM_LOCAL_HEX,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,URIBL_BLOCKED



"URIBL_BLOCKED"

Your server won't reply to a reverse DNS query so it's scoring high on the spam 
meter.

http://uribl.com/refused.shtml




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[Jack J. Woehr]

CM Poncelet wrote:

These are the headers (starting from the bottom upwards), if it helps.


X-Gwh-Spam-Flags: 
BAYES_00,FROM_LOCAL_HEX,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,URIBL_BLOCKED



"URIBL_BLOCKED"

Your server won't reply to a reverse DNS query so it's scoring high on the spam 
meter.

http://uribl.com/refused.shtml

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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Jack J. Woehr]

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 11:42:58 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>

>>1. Is anyone else getting occasional bounces when posting to IBMMAIN?

Charles could test his outgoing server on 
http://www.allaboutspam.com/email-server-test/

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Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[CM Poncelet]

These are the headers (starting from the bottom upwards), if it helps.

helo=inbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net country=GB)  by
gwh-1.gradwell.net with esmtp (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 56ca28bc.6417.0
 for ponce...@bcs.org.uk; Sun, 21 Feb 2016 21:14:36 +
 (envelope-sender <owner-ibm-m...@listserv.ua.edu>)
Received: from qpsmtpd.scanvisor-2 (bonnie.gradwell.net [212.11.70.2])  by
inbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB3B1FB87   
for
<ponce...@bcs.org.uk>; Sun, 21 Feb 2016 21:14:36 + (GMT)
Received: from scanvisor-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (HELO
scanvisor-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net) (212.11.71.131)by qpsmtpd.scanvisor-2
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Tom Marchant wrote:

Maybe if a few of us forward this post to Mr. Waters he will realize that the list is 
still active. Then again, maybe he'll make sure that it is shut down.


On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 11:42:58 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:

 


1. Is anyone else getting occasional bounces when posting to IBMMAIN? I have
started getting them sometimes. A retry sometimes produces another bounce;
eventually the post goes through, obviously.

2. I am on a small rural ISP. They do not have a roomful of high-powered
engineers. They recently changed e-mail server software, about coincident
with the start of the bounces. When I complained to the ISP they said "the
problem is with UA.edu, not us." I said that was not likely, they
successfully received hundreds of posts per day, no one else was
complaining, etc. He finally wrote to the DNS-listed (?) contact for UA.edu
and here is the response he got. Do we even exist? Have I been imagining all
of this? Seriously, any suggestions?

Charles

From: "Watters, John" <john.watt...@ua.edu>
To: Business Manager <mana...@mcn.org

Re: IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Tom Marchant]

Maybe if a few of us forward this post to Mr. Waters he will realize that the 
list is 
still active. Then again, maybe he'll make sure that it is shut down.

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 11:42:58 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:

>1. Is anyone else getting occasional bounces when posting to IBMMAIN? I have
>started getting them sometimes. A retry sometimes produces another bounce;
>eventually the post goes through, obviously.
>
>2. I am on a small rural ISP. They do not have a roomful of high-powered
>engineers. They recently changed e-mail server software, about coincident
>with the start of the bounces. When I complained to the ISP they said "the
>problem is with UA.edu, not us." I said that was not likely, they
>successfully received hundreds of posts per day, no one else was
>complaining, etc. He finally wrote to the DNS-listed (?) contact for UA.edu
>and here is the response he got. Do we even exist? Have I been imagining all
>of this? Seriously, any suggestions?
>
>Charles
>
>From: "Watters, John" 
>To: Business Manager 
>Subject: RE: failure notice
>Date: February 20, 2016 at 5:54:17 PM PST
>
>This LISTSERV list was discontinued over 10 years ago, several years after
>we got rid of our IBM mainframe computers. I was not responsible for it but
>did know of its existence. The person who was responsible for it left the
>University about 9 years ago. I have no idea how to get in touch with him.
>
>I suspect that the reason it seems to have eventually gone through is that
>our spam filters just sucked it in and discarded it. Since I have nothing to
>do with that process either (I am a network engineer primarily responsible
>for wireless networking on campus; no idea why the Help Desk sent you to me
>other than I have been here a long time), I cannot give you a definitive
>answer.
>
>Please just remove this mailing list from your records.
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>
>==
>-jcw
>
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IBMMAIN bounces and related issues

[Charles Mills]

1. Is anyone else getting occasional bounces when posting to IBMMAIN? I have
started getting them sometimes. A retry sometimes produces another bounce;
eventually the post goes through, obviously.

2. I am on a small rural ISP. They do not have a roomful of high-powered
engineers. They recently changed e-mail server software, about coincident
with the start of the bounces. When I complained to the ISP they said "the
problem is with UA.edu, not us." I said that was not likely, they
successfully received hundreds of posts per day, no one else was
complaining, etc. He finally wrote to the DNS-listed (?) contact for UA.edu
and here is the response he got. Do we even exist? Have I been imagining all
of this? Seriously, any suggestions?

Charles

From: "Watters, John" 
To: Business Manager 
Subject: RE: failure notice
Date: February 20, 2016 at 5:54:17 PM PST

This LISTSERV list was discontinued over 10 years ago, several years after
we got rid of our IBM mainframe computers. I was not responsible for it but
did know of its existence. The person who was responsible for it left the
University about 9 years ago. I have no idea how to get in touch with him.

I suspect that the reason it seems to have eventually gone through is that
our spam filters just sucked it in and discarded it. Since I have nothing to
do with that process either (I am a network engineer primarily responsible
for wireless networking on campus; no idea why the Help Desk sent you to me
other than I have been here a long time), I cannot give you a definitive
answer.

Please just remove this mailing list from your records.

Thanks.


 
==
-jcw

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