Re: Manuals for CA-VOLLIE?
Depending on your clients willingness to change, you could use REXX/CICS. It has a VM like editor. You can roll your own SUBMIT command. It is *free* with CICS. On Wed, Feb 5, 2020, 06:14 Bernd Oppolzer wrote: > After working now two days with it, what strikes me most is the absence > of a SAVE command. > Every line you change (or delete !) is changed on the file even without > SAVE, same goes for deletions, > and there is no recovery (no other than saving the member before you > begin or restoring an older > version for the CA master lib). > > And some of the prefix commands are different from ISPF: Prefix command > A means insert of a blank line > and prefix I does insertions of lines which are in a buffer (like CUT > ... PASTE). CC ... CC inserts lines into > this buffer, but the buffer is not emptied prior to CC ... CC. If you > want the buffer to be emptied, > you have to use CCD (or CD, for a single line). > > I've worked with MVS for the last 25 years, so I will have a hard time > in the next weeks :-) > But I've done VSE before, and today I recalled how to do F F5 (or PFLUSH > F5) to free a locked partition > in VSE ... I've used this before in the late 1990s :-) > > F F5 can be done from with VOLLIE using the OPE command :-) > VOLLIE even shows the status of the partitions and the operator console. > > Kind regards > > Bernd > > > Am 04.02.2020 um 03:09 schrieb Wayne Bickerdike: > > That's a blast from the past. > > It does run as a CICS transaction (Normally OLLE). > > > > It is 1000% better than the IBM VSE offering (name escapes me). > > > > In architecture it's not unlike ROSCOE, runs very lean and mean. All > > the members are contained within a single VSAM cluster which is > > formatted and then has 3 char lib prefixes and 8 char names similar to > > a PDS. eg JCL.MASTJOB1. > > > > It also has a crude form of security, defined in a macro assembler > > module. This determines what you can see and do. A very naughty > > programmer substituted his own version and when we found out, I > > substituted yet another module that blasted ***violation*** on the > > console. The guy in question (Kevin Parker where are you now?) crapped > > his pants when he realised he'd been rumbled. Had an entertaining > > dressing down meeting with him. > > > > >From memory, I belive you use the "l" command (list) to bring up a > > member in an editor panel. > > > > It has a submit command (I think sub?) and has access to the Power > > spool to fetch output. > > > > It's been 30 years since I last saw Vollie :) > > > > On 2/4/20, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: > >> great, thank you, I will have to ask my customer, if we can have access > >> to this site. > >> Thanks, kind regards > >> > >> Bernd > >> > >> > >> Am 03.02.2020 um 20:51 schrieb Frank Swarbrick: > >>> I don't have a Broadcom logon, but did you try this page? > >>> > https://techdocs.broadcom.com/content/broadcom/techdocs/us/en/ca-miscellaneous/legacy_bookshelves_and_pdfs/bookshelves_and_pdfs/bookshelves/ca-vollie-for-z-vse.html > >>> > >>> > >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on > behalf > >>> of Bernd Oppolzer > >>> Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 11:25 AM > >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >>> Subject: Manuals for CA-VOLLIE? > >>> > >>> In my new project assignment, I have to use a tool called VOLLIE (from > >>> CA), which is used to modify (edit) > >>> VSE libraries and prepare compile and test jobs for VSE and COBOL-CICS > >>> programs etc. > >>> > >>> No VM in this installation. VOLLIE seems to be a CICS transaction. > >>> > >>> Is there a manual for CA-VOLLIE, which can be shared, for example PDF > >>> format? > >>> No match when using the well-known search engines. > >>> > >>> Thanks and regards > >>> > >>> Bernd > >>> > >>> -- > >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >>> > >>> -- > >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Manuals for CA-VOLLIE?
After working now two days with it, what strikes me most is the absence of a SAVE command. Every line you change (or delete !) is changed on the file even without SAVE, same goes for deletions, and there is no recovery (no other than saving the member before you begin or restoring an older version for the CA master lib). And some of the prefix commands are different from ISPF: Prefix command A means insert of a blank line and prefix I does insertions of lines which are in a buffer (like CUT ... PASTE). CC ... CC inserts lines into this buffer, but the buffer is not emptied prior to CC ... CC. If you want the buffer to be emptied, you have to use CCD (or CD, for a single line). I've worked with MVS for the last 25 years, so I will have a hard time in the next weeks :-) But I've done VSE before, and today I recalled how to do F F5 (or PFLUSH F5) to free a locked partition in VSE ... I've used this before in the late 1990s :-) F F5 can be done from with VOLLIE using the OPE command :-) VOLLIE even shows the status of the partitions and the operator console. Kind regards Bernd Am 04.02.2020 um 03:09 schrieb Wayne Bickerdike: That's a blast from the past. It does run as a CICS transaction (Normally OLLE). It is 1000% better than the IBM VSE offering (name escapes me). In architecture it's not unlike ROSCOE, runs very lean and mean. All the members are contained within a single VSAM cluster which is formatted and then has 3 char lib prefixes and 8 char names similar to a PDS. eg JCL.MASTJOB1. It also has a crude form of security, defined in a macro assembler module. This determines what you can see and do. A very naughty programmer substituted his own version and when we found out, I substituted yet another module that blasted ***violation*** on the console. The guy in question (Kevin Parker where are you now?) crapped his pants when he realised he'd been rumbled. Had an entertaining dressing down meeting with him. >From memory, I belive you use the "l" command (list) to bring up a member in an editor panel. It has a submit command (I think sub?) and has access to the Power spool to fetch output. It's been 30 years since I last saw Vollie :) On 2/4/20, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: great, thank you, I will have to ask my customer, if we can have access to this site. Thanks, kind regards Bernd Am 03.02.2020 um 20:51 schrieb Frank Swarbrick: I don't have a Broadcom logon, but did you try this page? https://techdocs.broadcom.com/content/broadcom/techdocs/us/en/ca-miscellaneous/legacy_bookshelves_and_pdfs/bookshelves_and_pdfs/bookshelves/ca-vollie-for-z-vse.html From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bernd Oppolzer Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 11:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Manuals for CA-VOLLIE? In my new project assignment, I have to use a tool called VOLLIE (from CA), which is used to modify (edit) VSE libraries and prepare compile and test jobs for VSE and COBOL-CICS programs etc. No VM in this installation. VOLLIE seems to be a CICS transaction. Is there a manual for CA-VOLLIE, which can be shared, for example PDF format? No match when using the well-known search engines. Thanks and regards Bernd -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Manuals for CA-VOLLIE?
"...It is 1000% better than the IBM VSE offering (name escapes me)" It's 'ICCF' - but I really had to hunt for *that* particular brain cell. I remember getting myself into trouble with my manager when recovering from forgetting my password. I dumped the first track of the ICCF VSAM(?), and there were all the passwords, in plain text! Hopefully that was changed in later days. Regards Sean On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 at 02:09, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > That's a blast from the past. > It does run as a CICS transaction (Normally OLLE). > > It is 1000% better than the IBM VSE offering (name escapes me). > > In architecture it's not unlike ROSCOE, runs very lean and mean. All > the members are contained within a single VSAM cluster which is > formatted and then has 3 char lib prefixes and 8 char names similar to > a PDS. eg JCL.MASTJOB1. > > It also has a crude form of security, defined in a macro assembler > module. This determines what you can see and do. A very naughty > programmer substituted his own version and when we found out, I > substituted yet another module that blasted ***violation*** on the > console. The guy in question (Kevin Parker where are you now?) crapped > his pants when he realised he'd been rumbled. Had an entertaining > dressing down meeting with him. > > From memory, I belive you use the "l" command (list) to bring up a > member in an editor panel. > > It has a submit command (I think sub?) and has access to the Power > spool to fetch output. > > It's been 30 years since I last saw Vollie :) > > On 2/4/20, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: > > great, thank you, I will have to ask my customer, if we can have access > > to this site. > > Thanks, kind regards > > > > Bernd > > > > > > Am 03.02.2020 um 20:51 schrieb Frank Swarbrick: > >> I don't have a Broadcom logon, but did you try this page? > >> > https://techdocs.broadcom.com/content/broadcom/techdocs/us/en/ca-miscellaneous/legacy_bookshelves_and_pdfs/bookshelves_and_pdfs/bookshelves/ca-vollie-for-z-vse.html > >> > >> ________ > >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on > behalf > >> of Bernd Oppolzer > >> Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 11:25 AM > >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >> Subject: Manuals for CA-VOLLIE? > >> > >> In my new project assignment, I have to use a tool called VOLLIE (from > >> CA), which is used to modify (edit) > >> VSE libraries and prepare compile and test jobs for VSE and COBOL-CICS > >> programs etc. > >> > >> No VM in this installation. VOLLIE seems to be a CICS transaction. > >> > >> Is there a manual for CA-VOLLIE, which can be shared, for example PDF > >> format? > >> No match when using the well-known search engines. > >> > >> Thanks and regards > >> > >> Bernd > >> > >> -- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >> > >> -- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > > > > Oppolzer-Informatik > > Dipl. Inf. Bernd Oppolzer > > Bärenhofstraße 23 > > 70771 Leinfelden-Echterdingen > > — > > Tel.: +49 711 7949591 > > priv.: +49 711 7949590 > > mobil: +49 151 75005359 > > eMail: bernd.oppol...@t-online.de <mailto:bernd.oppol...@t-online.de> > > Web: http://bernd-oppolzer.de/job.htm > > — > > Für Umsatzsteuerzwecke: > > SteuerNr.: 97 076 / 29921 > > USt-ID-Nr.: DE 147 700 393 > > — > > Oppolzer-Informatik 1983 - 2019 > > 36years of experience in computer science** > > > > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > Wayne V. Bickerdike > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Manuals for CA-VOLLIE?
That's a blast from the past. It does run as a CICS transaction (Normally OLLE). It is 1000% better than the IBM VSE offering (name escapes me). In architecture it's not unlike ROSCOE, runs very lean and mean. All the members are contained within a single VSAM cluster which is formatted and then has 3 char lib prefixes and 8 char names similar to a PDS. eg JCL.MASTJOB1. It also has a crude form of security, defined in a macro assembler module. This determines what you can see and do. A very naughty programmer substituted his own version and when we found out, I substituted yet another module that blasted ***violation*** on the console. The guy in question (Kevin Parker where are you now?) crapped his pants when he realised he'd been rumbled. Had an entertaining dressing down meeting with him. >From memory, I belive you use the "l" command (list) to bring up a member in an editor panel. It has a submit command (I think sub?) and has access to the Power spool to fetch output. It's been 30 years since I last saw Vollie :) On 2/4/20, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: > great, thank you, I will have to ask my customer, if we can have access > to this site. > Thanks, kind regards > > Bernd > > > Am 03.02.2020 um 20:51 schrieb Frank Swarbrick: >> I don't have a Broadcom logon, but did you try this page? >> https://techdocs.broadcom.com/content/broadcom/techdocs/us/en/ca-miscellaneous/legacy_bookshelves_and_pdfs/bookshelves_and_pdfs/bookshelves/ca-vollie-for-z-vse.html >> >> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf >> of Bernd Oppolzer >> Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 11:25 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Manuals for CA-VOLLIE? >> >> In my new project assignment, I have to use a tool called VOLLIE (from >> CA), which is used to modify (edit) >> VSE libraries and prepare compile and test jobs for VSE and COBOL-CICS >> programs etc. >> >> No VM in this installation. VOLLIE seems to be a CICS transaction. >> >> Is there a manual for CA-VOLLIE, which can be shared, for example PDF >> format? >> No match when using the well-known search engines. >> >> Thanks and regards >> >> Bernd >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- > > Oppolzer-Informatik > Dipl. Inf. Bernd Oppolzer > Bärenhofstraße 23 > 70771 Leinfelden-Echterdingen > — > Tel.: +49 711 7949591 > priv.: +49 711 7949590 > mobil: +49 151 75005359 > eMail: bernd.oppol...@t-online.de <mailto:bernd.oppol...@t-online.de> > Web: http://bernd-oppolzer.de/job.htm > — > Für Umsatzsteuerzwecke: > SteuerNr.: 97 076 / 29921 > USt-ID-Nr.: DE 147 700 393 > — > Oppolzer-Informatik 1983 - 2019 > 36years of experience in computer science** > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Manuals for CA-VOLLIE?
great, thank you, I will have to ask my customer, if we can have access to this site. Thanks, kind regards Bernd Am 03.02.2020 um 20:51 schrieb Frank Swarbrick: I don't have a Broadcom logon, but did you try this page? https://techdocs.broadcom.com/content/broadcom/techdocs/us/en/ca-miscellaneous/legacy_bookshelves_and_pdfs/bookshelves_and_pdfs/bookshelves/ca-vollie-for-z-vse.html From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bernd Oppolzer Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 11:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Manuals for CA-VOLLIE? In my new project assignment, I have to use a tool called VOLLIE (from CA), which is used to modify (edit) VSE libraries and prepare compile and test jobs for VSE and COBOL-CICS programs etc. No VM in this installation. VOLLIE seems to be a CICS transaction. Is there a manual for CA-VOLLIE, which can be shared, for example PDF format? No match when using the well-known search engines. Thanks and regards Bernd -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Oppolzer-Informatik Dipl. Inf. Bernd Oppolzer Bärenhofstraße 23 70771 Leinfelden-Echterdingen — Tel.: +49 711 7949591 priv.: +49 711 7949590 mobil: +49 151 75005359 eMail: bernd.oppol...@t-online.de <mailto:bernd.oppol...@t-online.de> Web: http://bernd-oppolzer.de/job.htm — Für Umsatzsteuerzwecke: SteuerNr.: 97 076 / 29921 USt-ID-Nr.: DE 147 700 393 — Oppolzer-Informatik 1983 - 2019 36years of experience in computer science** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Manuals for CA-VOLLIE?
I don't have a Broadcom logon, but did you try this page? https://techdocs.broadcom.com/content/broadcom/techdocs/us/en/ca-miscellaneous/legacy_bookshelves_and_pdfs/bookshelves_and_pdfs/bookshelves/ca-vollie-for-z-vse.html From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bernd Oppolzer Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 11:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Manuals for CA-VOLLIE? In my new project assignment, I have to use a tool called VOLLIE (from CA), which is used to modify (edit) VSE libraries and prepare compile and test jobs for VSE and COBOL-CICS programs etc. No VM in this installation. VOLLIE seems to be a CICS transaction. Is there a manual for CA-VOLLIE, which can be shared, for example PDF format? No match when using the well-known search engines. Thanks and regards Bernd -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Manuals for CA-VOLLIE?
You might ask on bit.listserv.vse-l. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bernd Oppolzer Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 11:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Manuals for CA-VOLLIE? In my new project assignment, I have to use a tool called VOLLIE (from CA), which is used to modify (edit) VSE libraries and prepare compile and test jobs for VSE and COBOL-CICS programs etc. No VM in this installation. VOLLIE seems to be a CICS transaction. Is there a manual for CA-VOLLIE, which can be shared, for example PDF format? No match when using the well-known search engines. Thanks and regards Bernd -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Manuals for CA-VOLLIE?
On 2020-02-03 13:25, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: Is there a manual for CA-VOLLIE, which can be shared, for example PDF format? No match when using the well-known search engines I haven't seen the name VOLLIE in many years. Perhaps the product has been renamed? Searching Broadcom's site for VOLLIE gets 23 hits, but none of them have VOLLIE in the title. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507 Support: https://actionsoftware.com/support/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Manuals for CA-VOLLIE?
In my new project assignment, I have to use a tool called VOLLIE (from CA), which is used to modify (edit) VSE libraries and prepare compile and test jobs for VSE and COBOL-CICS programs etc. No VM in this installation. VOLLIE seems to be a CICS transaction. Is there a manual for CA-VOLLIE, which can be shared, for example PDF format? No match when using the well-known search engines. Thanks and regards Bernd -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
