Re: Posting issues - why do some posts have anonymous FROM-addresses?
On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, at 17:17, Tom Marchant wrote: > As I said, I use the web interface to reply, rather than send an email > to the list server. > Perhaps that is what causes the sender's address to appear that way. > For my post that you referenced, this is what I see in the web > interface: > Subject: Re: Posting issues - why do some posts have anonymous > FROM-addresses? > From: Tom Marchant Interestingly the message-id header on one of your earlier posts held Message-ID: <1272561896266461.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@listserv.ua.edu> but no-one can reliably use that to determine your actual address, without experimenting with punctuation... -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Posting issues - why do some posts have anonymous FROM-addresses?
On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, at 17:58, Tony Harminc wrote: > On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 08:50, Jeremy Nicoll > wrote: > >> I just noticed that some posts here show the poster's own email address >> whereas others have something like >> >> 0xxx-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu > > > This is a workaround invented by Lsoft ... Indeed; I see something similar on lots of other mail lists ... except that elsewhere all the posts come with the workaround addresses. In one case it's impossible to tell who posted which piece of content unless the poster has a sensible sig, and even if they do one still has to scroll every post to the bottom to see who wrote it. Since my email address does make it into my posts, does that mean that the listserver sees my (Fastmail generic domain) address as "properly/securely" setup, or not? > Essentially things go wrong because LISTSERV is unable to sign (loosely > speaking) an email that it receives from a subscriber and wants to relay to > the list. And if a recipient's mail system rejects it for that reason, then > LISTSERV generates a random email address @ the LISTSERV address, and sends > from that address (which of course it *is* authorized to send from). Do you mean that different recipients see any particular post with a mix of apparent from-addresses, depending on whether the listserv had problem sending copies of that post to their mail provider? -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Posting issues - why do some posts have anonymous FROM-addresses?
On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, at 16:30, Tom Marchant wrote: > I use the Listserv web interface exclusively to see posts and respond > to them. Do you need to login to the server to do that? If you do, it clearly knows who you are so I might have expected it to put your login email address in your posts. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Posting issues - why do some posts have anonymous FROM-addresses?
Tony, Thank you for that explanation on where these are coming from - and the comment that L-SERV relays a reply back from their made-up e-mail address to their real one. I've wanted a couple times to reply back only to the original poster and didn't know a reply to their fake address would get to them! Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tony Harminc Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2024 11:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Posting issues - why do some posts have anonymous FROM-addresses? On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 08:50, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > I just noticed that some posts here show the poster's own email > address whereas others have something like > > 0xxx-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu This is a workaround invented by Lsoft (the makers of LISTSERV) for changes made around ten years ago by Google and other "big tech" companies that largely broke the decades-old world of mailing lists. A cynic would say that Google et al just want to keep everyone and everything "on platform", i.e. not support nasty things like mailing lists because they allow people to communicate without going through them. Google would say it's all about avoiding spam and phishing emails. Essentially things go wrong because LISTSERV is unable to sign (loosely speaking) an email that it receives from a subscriber and wants to relay to the list. And if a recipient's mail system rejects it for that reason, then LISTSERV generates a random email address @ the LISTSERV address, and sends from that address (which of course it *is* authorized to send from). If someone responds directly to a list poster who has such a generated email address, LISTSERV will forward it on, but of course that introduces a third party into the email chain. Nobody wants that, but it makes the best of a bad situation. If you look back at archives or your own personal mail, you can see some people's list email addresses change over time as their mail provider has changed their policies and LISTSERV dynamically assigns one of their xxx-dmarc- things. If you go to the Lsoft site https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lsoft.com__;!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE0Fj!uXlmrgWL3lI2XQhm4TXx1CMD4SCDTehWjw55VfqNdXpiQ1iRR4DpEwdpxyUMWsC2-XbpREzkCn44w5ea$ and search there for "dmarc", you'll see a bunch of stuff on how they deal with the problems.It's not pretty, but it mostly works. Does the latter indicate a post made via newsgroup bit.listserv.ibm-main > (if the gateway between NNTP & listserv still works?) while the former > indicate "posts" made directly to the listserv by email? I don't think it has anything to do with NNTP and such. It's all about how strict a given list subscriber's email handling is. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Posting issues - why do some posts have anonymous FROM-addresses?
On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 08:50, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > I just noticed that some posts here show the poster's own email address > whereas others have something like > > 0xxx-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu This is a workaround invented by Lsoft (the makers of LISTSERV) for changes made around ten years ago by Google and other "big tech" companies that largely broke the decades-old world of mailing lists. A cynic would say that Google et al just want to keep everyone and everything "on platform", i.e. not support nasty things like mailing lists because they allow people to communicate without going through them. Google would say it's all about avoiding spam and phishing emails. Essentially things go wrong because LISTSERV is unable to sign (loosely speaking) an email that it receives from a subscriber and wants to relay to the list. And if a recipient's mail system rejects it for that reason, then LISTSERV generates a random email address @ the LISTSERV address, and sends from that address (which of course it *is* authorized to send from). If someone responds directly to a list poster who has such a generated email address, LISTSERV will forward it on, but of course that introduces a third party into the email chain. Nobody wants that, but it makes the best of a bad situation. If you look back at archives or your own personal mail, you can see some people's list email addresses change over time as their mail provider has changed their policies and LISTSERV dynamically assigns one of their xxx-dmarc- things. If you go to the Lsoft site https://lsoft.com and search there for "dmarc", you'll see a bunch of stuff on how they deal with the problems.It's not pretty, but it mostly works. Does the latter indicate a post made via newsgroup bit.listserv.ibm-main > (if the gateway between NNTP & listserv still works?) while the former > indicate "posts" made directly to the listserv by email? I don't think it has anything to do with NNTP and such. It's all about how strict a given list subscriber's email handling is. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Posting issues - why do some posts have anonymous FROM-addresses?
As I said, I use the web interface to reply, rather than send an email to the list server. Perhaps that is what causes the sender's address to appear that way. For my post that you referenced, this is what I see in the web interface: Subject:Re: Posting issues - why do some posts have anonymous FROM-addresses? From: Tom Marchant Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List I am set to NOMAIL so I can't look at the email headers at the moment. -- Tom Marchant On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 08:52:50 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote: >Your own email is an example :) Here's what I see using Thunderbird: >https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/email_address.png > >On 4/10/2024 8:30 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: >> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 13:50:03 +0100, Jeremy Nicoll >> wrote: >> >>> I just noticed that some posts here show the poster's own email address >>> whereas others have something like >>> >>> 0xxx-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu >> >> I haven't seen that. Can you show an example? I have seen attributions in >> some posts that look like that, but not an actual From: address. >> I use the Listserv web interface exclusively to see posts and respond to >> them. >>> >>> Does the latter indicate a post made via newsgroup bit.listserv.ibm-main >>> (if the gateway between NNTP & listserv still works?) while the former >>> indicate "posts" made directly to the listserv by email? >> >> I thought that the gateway between Listserv and Netnews was one way. That >> is, IBM-Main is sent to bit.listserv.ibm-main, but posts to >> bit.listserv.ibm-main are not sent to the mailing list. >> > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Posting issues - why do some posts have anonymous FROM-addresses?
Your own email is an example :) Here's what I see using Thunderbird: https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/email_address.png On 4/10/2024 8:30 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 13:50:03 +0100, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: I just noticed that some posts here show the poster's own email address whereas others have something like 0xxx-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu I haven't seen that. Can you show an example? I have seen attributions in some posts that look like that, but not an actual From: address. I use the Listserv web interface exclusively to see posts and respond to them. Does the latter indicate a post made via newsgroup bit.listserv.ibm-main (if the gateway between NNTP & listserv still works?) while the former indicate "posts" made directly to the listserv by email? I thought that the gateway between Listserv and Netnews was one way. That is, IBM-Main is sent to bit.listserv.ibm-main, but posts to bit.listserv.ibm-main are not sent to the mailing list. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Posting issues - why do some posts have anonymous FROM-addresses?
On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 13:50:03 +0100, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: >I just noticed that some posts here show the poster's own email address >whereas others have something like > > 0xxx-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu I haven't seen that. Can you show an example? I have seen attributions in some posts that look like that, but not an actual From: address. I use the Listserv web interface exclusively to see posts and respond to them. > >Does the latter indicate a post made via newsgroup bit.listserv.ibm-main >(if the gateway between NNTP & listserv still works?) while the former >indicate "posts" made directly to the listserv by email? I thought that the gateway between Listserv and Netnews was one way. That is, IBM-Main is sent to bit.listserv.ibm-main, but posts to bit.listserv.ibm-main are not sent to the mailing list. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Posting issues - why do some posts have anonymous FROM-addresses?
I just noticed that some posts here show the poster's own email address whereas others have something like 0xxx-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu Does the latter indicate a post made via newsgroup bit.listserv.ibm-main (if the gateway between NNTP & listserv still works?) while the former indicate "posts" made directly to the listserv by email? -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Posting issues?
continuing the subject I just had a discussion with my domain host today, and they have updated my server with more appropriate settings -- after looking at rejects and email situations I had documented. So, hopefully nothing is getting rejected from the various list servers I'm subscribed to (IBM Main, VM_List, ISPF, REXX, Etc.). I'll be able to tell some time tomorrow (12 hours for this to propagate I'm told). It was an interesting conversation, they recognized the problems because it seems more and more "domains" and Hosting entities are doing as much as they can to stop spam, phishing, and forged emails... Interesting stuff. Steve Thompson On 4/7/2024 5:53 AM, Mike Schwab wrote: https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/03/outlookcom_blocked_by_gmail/ Might be part of the issue. On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 2:22 PM Phil Smith III <060e4b8f09b8-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Indeed. I'm thinking that either UA.edu or their provider stepped up their filtering. But that's why I'm asking: to see if other folks are in the same boat, so at least I'd *know*. So far nothing definitive. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Walt Farrell Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 9:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Posting issues? On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 15:36:21 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: Yeah, I have SPF records. But, increasingly, it seems to be necessary to have DMARC and DKIM properly setup, too. I don't know if that would explain your problem with this mailing list, though. -- Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Posting issues?
https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/03/outlookcom_blocked_by_gmail/ Might be part of the issue. On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 2:22 PM Phil Smith III <060e4b8f09b8-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Indeed. I'm thinking that either UA.edu or their provider stepped up their > filtering. But that's why I'm asking: to see if other folks are in the same > boat, so at least I'd *know*. So far nothing definitive. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Walt Farrell > Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 9:41 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Posting issues? > > On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 15:36:21 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: > > >Yeah, I have SPF records. > > But, increasingly, it seems to be necessary to have DMARC and DKIM properly > setup, too. I don't know if that would explain your problem with this mailing > list, though. > > -- > Walt > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Posting issues?
Indeed. I'm thinking that either UA.edu or their provider stepped up their filtering. But that's why I'm asking: to see if other folks are in the same boat, so at least I'd *know*. So far nothing definitive. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Walt Farrell Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 9:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Posting issues? On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 15:36:21 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >Yeah, I have SPF records. But, increasingly, it seems to be necessary to have DMARC and DKIM properly setup, too. I don't know if that would explain your problem with this mailing list, though. -- Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Posting issues?
On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 15:36:21 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >Yeah, I have SPF records. But, increasingly, it seems to be necessary to have DMARC and DKIM properly setup, too. I don't know if that would explain your problem with this mailing list, though. -- Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Posting issues?
The issue, to me, started with M/S telling me that I can't use a work or school email address for an account (this was over a year ago). WKYR.NET is a private email domain that I own. WKYR, should it exist again, would be a radio/TV station probably using .com or .org. And then, as has been said, I've been blocked here and there for maybe a day or two and then things work again. I had to run things down with Marist for a group and it was an error in their system after maint. The paranoia in me asks if this is an attempt to control all emails. Look, just because I am paranoid does not mean they are not out to get me. ;-) Steve Thompson On 4/5/2024 3:24 PM, Rick Troth wrote: Let's see if this gets through. I THINK my posts are making it (seems like one did earlier this week), and this being a GMail identity, that would make sense. Phil, you're trying to use a custom address. That is to say, you're using a personal domain. I observe that such are increasingly challenged. I don't have a solution, but I'm chasing a couple of remedies. Maybe we can connect. Maybe we can achieve critical mass? It's all about trust. The major email providers don't "trust" akphs.com. I find that one of my personal domains cannot send to my wife's mailbox at Yahoo!. This is a real problem for us and gonna get worse. All email which is outsourced to Googoo gets through. (sometimes to the spam folder) But Yahoo! slams the door *hard* and won't accept email sent from a residential IP address. Googoo is reasonable about *accepting* traffic too. (again, sometimes to quarantine) I have not tried (e.g.) AOL or Hotmail. I did try a former employer's email service and got rejected. Two things I have in place which supposedly would help: SPF record and DKIM key. These are both in the DNS. The home IP address being in the SPF record should be enough for Yahoo! to accept it. Doesn't work. The DKIM key and the signature on the traffic should confirm that any given message is authentic. Doesn't help. Then too, some are starting to use "DNS SEC". (And some are not, even many luminaries. DNSSEC is a pain in all cases and impractical for most.) But I don't know if Yahoo! is flagging things based on DNSSEC or lack of. Anyone else having troubles, let's circle-up off-list and see what we can figure out. -- R; <>< On 4/5/24 14:34, Phil Smith III wrote: Starting about a week ago, I noticed that posts sent from my lists@akphs address weren't showing up in the archives. Email to mailto:lists...@listserv.ua.edu with QUERY IBM-MAIN got no response; same from my work address got the expected "not subscribed" message. Yet my daily digest to that address has continued. I tried repeatedly, and finally asked Darren, who kindly looked but didn't see anything amiss. Today when I tried to respond to Radislav's question about FTP, same thing: no post. So I subscribed this address as well. That worked, and I've been able to post (obviously). But I also noticed a couple of folks asking where the list had gone lately, which could just be chance (and isn't quite what I'm seeing, either, obviously). I looked at the archives and traffic seems to maybe be down over the last 8 days or so, though it wasn't so active before that I can be sure (see bottom of this note). I suddenly realized that if others were having similar issues, that might not be obvious beyond the reduced traffic--it's not like they'll be able to post to ask, eh? So: If you're having troubles similar to mine, send a note to ibm-m...@akphs.com and let me know. I'm asking you to use that address because it will make it easier for me to filter/collate responses. ...phsiii --- Traffic since March 1 in posts/day: Fri 1 Mar: 32 Sat 2 Mar: 9 Sun 3 Mar: 7 Mon 4 Mar: 42 Tue 5 Mar: 16 Wed 6 Mar: 25 Thu 7 Mar: 35 Fri 8 Mar: 14 Sat 9 Mar: 7 Sun 10 Mar: 3 Mon 11 Mar: 2 Tue 12 Mar: 11 Wed 13 Mar: 18 Thu 14 Mar: 46 Fri 15 Mar: 31 Sat 16 Mar: 20 Sun 17 Mar: 30 Mon 18 Mar: 17 Tue 19 Mar: 26 Wed 20 Mar: 34 Thu 21 Mar: 6 Fri 22 Mar: 10 Sat 23 Mar: 6 Sun 24 Mar: 12 Mon 25 Mar: 11 Tue 26 Mar: 28 Wed 27 Mar: 7 Thu 28 Mar: 36 Fri 29 Mar: 4 Sat 30 Mar: 3 Sun 31 Mar: 7 Mon 1 Apr: 6 Tue 2 Apr: 6 Wed 3 Apr: 17 Thu 4 Apr: 7 Fri 5 Apr: 6 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Posting issues?
- Getting digests is a RECEIVE function. You can receive email. - Not being able to post is a SEND problem. Email outbound from your personal domain is evidently being blocked. - What's particularly unnerving in this case is that you don't see a bounce message. (Sometimes I don't. Sometimes I do.) That would be the "no errors" thing. Moving your mailboxes to your domain provider might help because your domain provider *does* have the chops to force other parties to play along. As a security professional, I will tell you that's the WRONG way to do it. Receivers should NOT trust a party because of their size or because of their connections ... any more than because of how many lawyers they have on the payroll. The sending IP address being on the SPF record is clear. Even without DNSSEC, faking the SPF record is complex enough that the bad guys would have difficulty fudging SPF at the scale they need. The message to be signed using DKIM is *strong* cryptographic assurance that the message is authentic. Fudged DKIM signature is more of a DOS problem than a spam allowance. Does this make sense? -- R; <>< On 4/5/24 15:36, Phil Smith III wrote: Yeah, I have SPF records. I may move my mailboxes to my domain provider, who might should be able to do better. But explain: - getting Digests - not able to post - no errors?! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Troth Sent: Friday, April 5, 2024 3:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Posting issues? Let's see if this gets through. I THINK my posts are making it (seems like one did earlier this week), and this being a GMail identity, that would make sense. Phil, you're trying to use a custom address. That is to say, you're using a personal domain. I observe that such are increasingly challenged. I don't have a solution, but I'm chasing a couple of remedies. Maybe we can connect. Maybe we can achieve critical mass? It's all about trust. The major email providers don't "trust" akphs.com. I find that one of my personal domains cannot send to my wife's mailbox at Yahoo!. This is a real problem for us and gonna get worse. All email which is outsourced to Googoo gets through. (sometimes to the spam folder) But Yahoo! slams the door *hard* and won't accept email sent from a residential IP address. Googoo is reasonable about *accepting* traffic too. (again, sometimes to quarantine) I have not tried (e.g.) AOL or Hotmail. I did try a former employer's email service and got rejected. Two things I have in place which supposedly would help: SPF record and DKIM key. These are both in the DNS. The home IP address being in the SPF record should be enough for Yahoo! to accept it. Doesn't work. The DKIM key and the signature on the traffic should confirm that any given message is authentic. Doesn't help. Then too, some are starting to use "DNS SEC". (And some are not, even many luminaries. DNSSEC is a pain in all cases and impractical for most.) But I don't know if Yahoo! is flagging things based on DNSSEC or lack of. Anyone else having troubles, let's circle-up off-list and see what we can figure out. -- R; <>< On 4/5/24 14:34, Phil Smith III wrote: Starting about a week ago, I noticed that posts sent from my lists@akphs address weren't showing up in the archives. Email to mailto:lists...@listserv.ua.edu with QUERY IBM-MAIN got no response; same from my work address got the expected "not subscribed" message. Yet my daily digest to that address has continued. I tried repeatedly, and finally asked Darren, who kindly looked but didn't see anything amiss. Today when I tried to respond to Radislav's question about FTP, same thing: no post. So I subscribed this address as well. That worked, and I've been able to post (obviously). But I also noticed a couple of folks asking where the list had gone lately, which could just be chance (and isn't quite what I'm seeing, either, obviously). I looked at the archives and traffic seems to maybe be down over the last 8 days or so, though it wasn't so active before that I can be sure (see bottom of this note). I suddenly realized that if others were having similar issues, that might not be obvious beyond the reduced traffic--it's not like they'll be able to post to ask, eh? So: If you're having troubles similar to mine, send a note to ibm-m...@akphs.com and let me know. I'm asking you to use that address because it will make it easier for me to filter/collate responses. ...phsiii --- Traffic since March 1 in posts/day: Fri 1 Mar: 32 Sat 2 Mar: 9 Sun 3 Mar: 7 Mon 4 Mar: 42 Tue 5 Mar: 16 Wed 6 Mar: 25 Thu 7 Mar: 35 Fri 8 Mar: 14 Sat 9 Mar: 7 Sun 10 Mar: 3 Mon 11 Mar: 2 Tue 12 Mar: 11 Wed 13 Mar: 18 Thu 14 Mar: 46 Fri 15 Mar: 31 Sat 16 Mar: 20 Sun 17 Mar: 30 Mon 18 Mar: 17 Tue 19 Mar: 26 Wed 20 Mar: 34 Thu 21 Mar: 6 Fri 22 Mar: 10 Sat 23 Mar: 6 Sun 24 Mar: 12 Mon 25
Re: Posting issues?
Yeah, I have SPF records. I may move my mailboxes to my domain provider, who might should be able to do better. But explain: - getting Digests - not able to post - no errors?! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Troth Sent: Friday, April 5, 2024 3:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Posting issues? Let's see if this gets through. I THINK my posts are making it (seems like one did earlier this week), and this being a GMail identity, that would make sense. Phil, you're trying to use a custom address. That is to say, you're using a personal domain. I observe that such are increasingly challenged. I don't have a solution, but I'm chasing a couple of remedies. Maybe we can connect. Maybe we can achieve critical mass? It's all about trust. The major email providers don't "trust" akphs.com. I find that one of my personal domains cannot send to my wife's mailbox at Yahoo!. This is a real problem for us and gonna get worse. All email which is outsourced to Googoo gets through. (sometimes to the spam folder) But Yahoo! slams the door *hard* and won't accept email sent from a residential IP address. Googoo is reasonable about *accepting* traffic too. (again, sometimes to quarantine) I have not tried (e.g.) AOL or Hotmail. I did try a former employer's email service and got rejected. Two things I have in place which supposedly would help: SPF record and DKIM key. These are both in the DNS. The home IP address being in the SPF record should be enough for Yahoo! to accept it. Doesn't work. The DKIM key and the signature on the traffic should confirm that any given message is authentic. Doesn't help. Then too, some are starting to use "DNS SEC". (And some are not, even many luminaries. DNSSEC is a pain in all cases and impractical for most.) But I don't know if Yahoo! is flagging things based on DNSSEC or lack of. Anyone else having troubles, let's circle-up off-list and see what we can figure out. -- R; <>< On 4/5/24 14:34, Phil Smith III wrote: > Starting about a week ago, I noticed that posts sent from my lists@akphs > address weren't showing up in the archives. Email to > mailto:lists...@listserv.ua.edu with QUERY IBM-MAIN got no response; same > from my work address got the expected "not subscribed" message. Yet my daily > digest to that address has continued. > > I tried repeatedly, and finally asked Darren, who kindly looked but didn't > see anything amiss. > > Today when I tried to respond to Radislav's question about FTP, same thing: > no post. So I subscribed this address as well. That worked, and I've been > able to post (obviously). But I also noticed a couple of folks asking where > the list had gone lately, which could just be chance (and isn't quite what > I'm seeing, either, obviously). I looked at the archives and traffic seems to > maybe be down over the last 8 days or so, though it wasn't so active before > that I can be sure (see bottom of this note). > > I suddenly realized that if others were having similar issues, that might not > be obvious beyond the reduced traffic--it's not like they'll be able to post > to ask, eh? > > So: If you're having troubles similar to mine, send a note to > ibm-m...@akphs.com and let me know. I'm asking you to use that address > because it will make it easier for me to filter/collate responses. > > ...phsiii > > --- > Traffic since March 1 in posts/day: > Fri 1 Mar: 32 > Sat 2 Mar: 9 > Sun 3 Mar: 7 > Mon 4 Mar: 42 > Tue 5 Mar: 16 > Wed 6 Mar: 25 > Thu 7 Mar: 35 > Fri 8 Mar: 14 > Sat 9 Mar: 7 > Sun 10 Mar: 3 > Mon 11 Mar: 2 > Tue 12 Mar: 11 > Wed 13 Mar: 18 > Thu 14 Mar: 46 > Fri 15 Mar: 31 > Sat 16 Mar: 20 > Sun 17 Mar: 30 > Mon 18 Mar: 17 > Tue 19 Mar: 26 > Wed 20 Mar: 34 > Thu 21 Mar: 6 > Fri 22 Mar: 10 > Sat 23 Mar: 6 > Sun 24 Mar: 12 > Mon 25 Mar: 11 > Tue 26 Mar: 28 > Wed 27 Mar: 7 > Thu 28 Mar: 36 > Fri 29 Mar: 4 > Sat 30 Mar: 3 > Sun 31 Mar: 7 > Mon 1 Apr: 6 > Tue 2 Apr: 6 > Wed 3 Apr: 17 > Thu 4 Apr: 7 > Fri 5 Apr: 6 > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Posting issues?
Let's see if this gets through. I THINK my posts are making it (seems like one did earlier this week), and this being a GMail identity, that would make sense. Phil, you're trying to use a custom address. That is to say, you're using a personal domain. I observe that such are increasingly challenged. I don't have a solution, but I'm chasing a couple of remedies. Maybe we can connect. Maybe we can achieve critical mass? It's all about trust. The major email providers don't "trust" akphs.com. I find that one of my personal domains cannot send to my wife's mailbox at Yahoo!. This is a real problem for us and gonna get worse. All email which is outsourced to Googoo gets through. (sometimes to the spam folder) But Yahoo! slams the door *hard* and won't accept email sent from a residential IP address. Googoo is reasonable about *accepting* traffic too. (again, sometimes to quarantine) I have not tried (e.g.) AOL or Hotmail. I did try a former employer's email service and got rejected. Two things I have in place which supposedly would help: SPF record and DKIM key. These are both in the DNS. The home IP address being in the SPF record should be enough for Yahoo! to accept it. Doesn't work. The DKIM key and the signature on the traffic should confirm that any given message is authentic. Doesn't help. Then too, some are starting to use "DNS SEC". (And some are not, even many luminaries. DNSSEC is a pain in all cases and impractical for most.) But I don't know if Yahoo! is flagging things based on DNSSEC or lack of. Anyone else having troubles, let's circle-up off-list and see what we can figure out. -- R; <>< On 4/5/24 14:34, Phil Smith III wrote: Starting about a week ago, I noticed that posts sent from my lists@akphs address weren't showing up in the archives. Email to mailto:lists...@listserv.ua.edu with QUERY IBM-MAIN got no response; same from my work address got the expected "not subscribed" message. Yet my daily digest to that address has continued. I tried repeatedly, and finally asked Darren, who kindly looked but didn't see anything amiss. Today when I tried to respond to Radislav's question about FTP, same thing: no post. So I subscribed this address as well. That worked, and I've been able to post (obviously). But I also noticed a couple of folks asking where the list had gone lately, which could just be chance (and isn't quite what I'm seeing, either, obviously). I looked at the archives and traffic seems to maybe be down over the last 8 days or so, though it wasn't so active before that I can be sure (see bottom of this note). I suddenly realized that if others were having similar issues, that might not be obvious beyond the reduced traffic--it's not like they'll be able to post to ask, eh? So: If you're having troubles similar to mine, send a note to ibm-m...@akphs.com and let me know. I'm asking you to use that address because it will make it easier for me to filter/collate responses. ...phsiii --- Traffic since March 1 in posts/day: Fri 1 Mar: 32 Sat 2 Mar: 9 Sun 3 Mar: 7 Mon 4 Mar: 42 Tue 5 Mar: 16 Wed 6 Mar: 25 Thu 7 Mar: 35 Fri 8 Mar: 14 Sat 9 Mar: 7 Sun 10 Mar: 3 Mon 11 Mar: 2 Tue 12 Mar: 11 Wed 13 Mar: 18 Thu 14 Mar: 46 Fri 15 Mar: 31 Sat 16 Mar: 20 Sun 17 Mar: 30 Mon 18 Mar: 17 Tue 19 Mar: 26 Wed 20 Mar: 34 Thu 21 Mar: 6 Fri 22 Mar: 10 Sat 23 Mar: 6 Sun 24 Mar: 12 Mon 25 Mar: 11 Tue 26 Mar: 28 Wed 27 Mar: 7 Thu 28 Mar: 36 Fri 29 Mar: 4 Sat 30 Mar: 3 Sun 31 Mar: 7 Mon 1 Apr: 6 Tue 2 Apr: 6 Wed 3 Apr: 17 Thu 4 Apr: 7 Fri 5 Apr: 6 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Posting issues?
Starting about a week ago, I noticed that posts sent from my lists@akphs address weren't showing up in the archives. Email to mailto:lists...@listserv.ua.edu with QUERY IBM-MAIN got no response; same from my work address got the expected "not subscribed" message. Yet my daily digest to that address has continued. I tried repeatedly, and finally asked Darren, who kindly looked but didn't see anything amiss. Today when I tried to respond to Radislav's question about FTP, same thing: no post. So I subscribed this address as well. That worked, and I've been able to post (obviously). But I also noticed a couple of folks asking where the list had gone lately, which could just be chance (and isn't quite what I'm seeing, either, obviously). I looked at the archives and traffic seems to maybe be down over the last 8 days or so, though it wasn't so active before that I can be sure (see bottom of this note). I suddenly realized that if others were having similar issues, that might not be obvious beyond the reduced traffic--it's not like they'll be able to post to ask, eh? So: If you're having troubles similar to mine, send a note to ibm-m...@akphs.com and let me know. I'm asking you to use that address because it will make it easier for me to filter/collate responses. ...phsiii --- Traffic since March 1 in posts/day: Fri 1 Mar: 32 Sat 2 Mar: 9 Sun 3 Mar: 7 Mon 4 Mar: 42 Tue 5 Mar: 16 Wed 6 Mar: 25 Thu 7 Mar: 35 Fri 8 Mar: 14 Sat 9 Mar: 7 Sun 10 Mar: 3 Mon 11 Mar: 2 Tue 12 Mar: 11 Wed 13 Mar: 18 Thu 14 Mar: 46 Fri 15 Mar: 31 Sat 16 Mar: 20 Sun 17 Mar: 30 Mon 18 Mar: 17 Tue 19 Mar: 26 Wed 20 Mar: 34 Thu 21 Mar: 6 Fri 22 Mar: 10 Sat 23 Mar: 6 Sun 24 Mar: 12 Mon 25 Mar: 11 Tue 26 Mar: 28 Wed 27 Mar: 7 Thu 28 Mar: 36 Fri 29 Mar: 4 Sat 30 Mar: 3 Sun 31 Mar: 7 Mon 1 Apr: 6 Tue 2 Apr: 6 Wed 3 Apr: 17 Thu 4 Apr: 7 Fri 5 Apr: 6 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
